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I came to a realization when the Pope died.

I am an Atheist Catholic in the sense that there are atheist jews.

I believe that there is value in the catholic system but I dont believe in god or jesus as savior or anything like that.

I think catholicism has a certain cultural value.

The only problem with catholicism is when people start bantering in earnest about god.

I also think that the mass should return to latin.

I came to a realization when the Pope died.

I am an Atheist Catholic in the sense that there are atheist jews.

I believe that there is value in the catholic system but I dont believe in god or jesus as savior or anything like that.

I think catholicism has a certain cultural value.

The only problem with catholicism is when people start bantering in earnest about god.

I also think that the mass should return to latin.

You've been eating way too many apples. Unfortunately, I find myself in a similar Longboat. I am an Agnostic who still thinks of himself as a Lutheran. I like being a Luthern for the Pilsner Beer and Torsk feeds.

que?

I'm just a plain old athiest.

God? Bah!

que?

I'm just a plain old athiest.

God? Bah!


I'm not saying i believe in jesus or god or catholic miracles or anything like that.

I just respect that catholicism is one of the last bastions of old tradition in the western world, I'm romantic to the core so that holds a lot of weight with me.

What inspired me was learning that when the pope dies they call his true name out three times, strike him three times with a silver hammer then use the same hammer to destroy his ring.

Yeah, I'm exactly the same. Jesus! It's annoying.

I'm agnostic but of course I value the Christian heritage and how it has shaped Europe. I believe that Lutheran principles are the main reason why Nordic countries are as socialistic as they are. Work hard, help others in need etc.

Ex-Catholic gone athiest. I don't consider myself part of the church, and despite the fact that it does provide a good source of vampire hunters in movies I don't really care about its cultural value. That being said, I will still defend it if someone starts making blatantly false statments.

eg
"lol y do cathlics worship mary?"
They don't, shut up.

Ex-Catholic gone athiest. I don't consider myself part of the church, and despite the fact that it does provide a good source of vampire hunters in movies I don't really care about its cultural value. That being said, I will still defend it if someone starts making blatantly false statments.


The whole European culture is based on Christianity. I really don't know what would be left if Christianity would somehow just disappear from our culture. It's not as meaningful anymore but IMO it has been the biggest single thing that has shaped western societies.

I'm not saying i believe in jesus or god or catholic miracles or anything like that.

I just respect that catholicism is one of the last bastions of old tradition in the western world, I'm romantic to the core so that holds a lot of weight with me.

What inspired me was learning that when the pope dies they call his true name out three times, strike him three times with a silver hammer then use the same hammer to destroy his ring.

Wait: they hit the dead pope with a hammer? :confused:

The whole European culture is based on Christianity. I really don't know what would be left if Christianity would somehow just disappear from our culture. It's not as meaningful anymore but IMO it has been the biggest single thing that has shaped western societies.


Up until the enlightenment, i'd say.

Enlightenment ideas seem to have replaced religious ones in the way europe is run.

Wait: they hit the dead pope with a hammer? :confused:
What? Its not like he feels it.

Wait: they hit the dead pope with a hammer? :confused:

On the head, three times.

I would imagine that they dont bludgeon him.

Who gets to hit him then? I assume they are pretty selective about this.

Maybe the Spider Queen (from the South Park version of the Vatican) does?

Who gets to hit him then? I assume they are pretty selective about this.


The chamberlain or something, or his delegated man or who knows.

I'm sure you could look it up somewhere.

Up until the enlightenment, i'd say.

Enlightenment ideas seem to have replaced religious ones in the way europe is run.
True but enlightenment is not far from the basic ideology of Christianity. Unfortunately it had been forgotten (intentionally) during the centuries.

:confused:
Would anyone please explain to me the point in having a religion (officially) if you don't believe in it?
like being a christian without beleiving in Christ......
to me it sounds like being a leninistic liberal

to me it sounds like being a leninistic liberal


:rolleyes:

I suppose it is a function of upbringing and personal values.

:rolleyes:

I suppose it is a function of upbringing and personal values.


why not remove it from a religious context then? that would be more clear

why not remove it from a religious context then? that would be more clear


Because there is no way to remove "i like catholic institutions and traditions and respect greatly certain aspects of them" and "despite all things, i felt loss at the death of the pope and great veneration for him"

from a 'religious context'

I dont believe in a god, so i reflexively seperate the concept of god from religion as it is.

Catholic Atheist is an oxymoron, as Catholicism is a religion.

Catholic Atheist is an oxymoron, as Catholicism is a religion.

No. "Religion" the concept does not inherently require "God" as a concept - although the Western/European view rarely allows for their divorce. Many Eastern "religions" have very little in common with Western religions - the "Gods" of Hinduism are not considered to be the same nature as the "God" of Christianity is, Taoism and Confucianism don't talk about God or Gods, and Buddhism explicitly refuses to address that and many other matters.

Dogmatically speaking, a Catholic turned atheist is an apostate (I think I've got that right) - someone who's fallen away from the faith. As far as I know, they can still be considered, and consider themselves, Catholic, unless they happen to be excommunicated somewhere along the way.

Anyway, consider the article linked below (one can find it at many different locations, I chose this one). It's about Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and then some.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/JewsDontBelieve.htm

I come from a catholic background, I was born and raised catholic and live in a catholic country, I went to a convent school, a member of my family is a priest. I don't agree with the catholic church on a large number of issues, but I do believe in god. Regarding Jesus, I consider him to be more of a prophet, he called himself son of god but he called everybody else brother and sister. So, clearly, he wasn't the only son of god.

Even though I haven't given religion much thought these past few years, the death of the pope made me realize that I can never be anything else but catholic. It's really not so much that I find the catholic church the best institution in the world (far from it), or that I would attend church regularly, it's just that my whole view of the world was shaped by catholic believe. Sure, I could find Buddhism more sensible, or Atheism more plausible. But that wouldn't change the fact that my moral and social believes remain catholic.
Actually, if you were born and raised in any Western society, your moral structure will inevitably be Christian. The concept of good and evil, the concept of being responsible for your actions, individualism, values such as helping others, self-sacrifice for others, all these are ideas shaped by Chrisitanity, though not exclusively the catholic church. Without those, our society wouldn't be what it is today. I think, it is dangerous to loose contact with the origin of those values.