NationStates Jolt Archive

*People in America are fedup with the corporate/police state tyranny that America has become but Im not 100% sure if this is the best way to make that point. What I do know is that people must arisel in ways that they feel is right in their gut. But the important thing is that they fight for justice most of all*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...6-2005Apr3.html
COLUSA, Calif.

The coming revolution against the United States government was announced on the Internet via a manifesto by a self-described "proud and insolent youth," a college sophomore who sought to be our leader. This was to be the spark:

At 1:27 a.m. on Nov. 19, 2002, Officer David Mobilio of the Red Bluff Police Department was working the graveyard shift when he pulled his cruiser into a gas station in his quiet little farm town. As he stood beside the car, the 31-year-old husband and father of a toddler was shot three times, twice in the back and once in the head, at very close range.

Beside Mobilio's dead body, someone left a handmade flag with a picture of a snake's head and the words "Don't Tread on Us."

A well-chosen spot for an ambush. That is what investigators later concluded, especially when they learned the suspected assailant had Army Ranger training. A lonely crossroads. Poorly lit. No station attendant on duty. No witnesses. It was a killing that might have never been solved.

That is, until a confession appeared on the Internet. Six days after the shooting, a manifesto appeared on more than a dozen Web sites operated by the left-leaning Independent Media Center.

It began: "Hello Everyone, my name's Andy. I killed a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California in a motion to bring attention to, and halt, the police-state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country. Now I'm coming forward, to explain that this killing was also an action against corporate irresponsibility."

The tract -- which managed to mingle an almost chirpy tone with leftist cant -- was signed by "Andrew McCrae," later found to be an alias for Andrew Mickel, a student at a liberal arts college who before enrolling had served three years stateside with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division.

Mickel explained that "prior to my action in Red Bluff, I formed a corporation under the name 'Proud and Insolent Youth Incorporated,' so that I could use the destructive immunity of corporations and turn it on something that actually should be destroyed." The name is a reference to the novel "Peter Pan." "Just before their final duel and Capt. Hook's demise, Hook said to Peter, 'Proud and Insolent Youth, prepare to meet thy doom,' " Mickel wrote.

"Now, Peter Pan hates pirates, and I hate pirates, and corporations are nothing but a bunch of pirates," he wrote. "It's time to send them to a watery grave, and rip them completely out of our lives."

Mickel wrote that he was incorporating to shield himself from prosecution. He urged everyone to join his board of directors. His stock would be free. He called for insurrection. A national strike. Mass resistance. "But don't do anything you're uncomfortable with," Mickel added, "and don't pressure anyone else into anything they're uncomfortable with."

Wow that is so crazy it blew my mind! That dude was probably just out of his mind like so many ex-military personal from being in the army. While I am all for bringing down corporations and the police state, random terror is not the way to go, it just tends to make the police state much worse. Also pirates rule.

Q: How is incorporating himself going to allow him to avoid a conviction based on the fact that he killed a cop?

How many incarnations does The Red Arrow/MKULTRA/Skapedroe have?

So... wait a second. It's fine to kill a cop and leave his wife widowed, and his child fatherless, but not ok to "pressure anyone else into anything they're uncomfortable with."?

Excuse the profanity that is about to be forthcoming, but;

I hope someone finds this fucktard, kills his parents in front of him, and then shoots him in the stomach and leaves him to bleed to death right there in his own filth.

The fact that he's so stupid as to think someone who is, at the very worst, a pawn in someone else's game is a target which is A) deserving and B) likely to change anything quite obviously shows he's not qualified to be outdoors. The fact he acted on these beliefs, no matter how valid they might be (Though I personally think it's a crock o' shite.), shows him unqualified to be breathing.

Wow that is so crazy it blew my mind! That dude was probably just out of his mind like so many ex-military personal from being in the army. While I am all for bringing down corporations and the police state, random terror is not the way to go, it just tends to make the police state much worse. Also pirates rule.
I agree on Both counts.
But clearly something must be done to fight international corporate terrorism against the people of the world. But I dont think random acts of violence will work cause it may result in more Patriot Act tyranny

How many incarnations does The Red Arrow/MKULTRA/Skapedroe have?
TRA wouldn't use the word insolent to describe a revolutionary fighter...

random terror is not the way to go
.

Q: How is incorporating himself going to allow him to avoid a conviction based on the fact that he killed a cop?
because thats a legal tool corporations use to deny themselves being held accountable for killing people

*People in America are fedup with the corporate/police state tyranny that America has become but Im not 100% sure if this is the best way to make that point. What I do know is that people must arisel in ways that they feel is right in their gut. But the important thing is that they fight for justice most of all*

I disagree that people should 'arise in ways that they feel is right in their gut'. Aside from the moral issues of killing a policeman for a political ideal, how exactly did the guy help his cause by doing that?

How many incarnations does The Red Arrow/MKULTRA/Skapedroe have?
as many lives as it takes to fight the power

TRA wouldn't use the word insolent to describe a revolutionary fighter...
Thats the name of the shooters group "Proud and Insolent Youth"

I disagree that people should 'arise in ways that they feel is right in their gut'. Aside from the moral issues of killing a policeman for a political ideal, how exactly did the guy help his cause by doing that?
The people must not tolerate oppression in any form.I agree he hurt his worthy cause by doing this tho.

Thats the name of the shooters group "Proud and Insolent Youth"
Realize that, it's just not something...

TRA wouldn't use the word insolent to describe a revolutionary fighter...
This is quite definately TRA.

Wow this guy doesn't diserve to waste my oxygen. Someone kill him, please. Preferably several cops.

TRA wouldn't use the word insolent to describe a revolutionary fighter...


Shady is TRA, 100% certainty, he's argued in moderation about skape being deleted.

And the article explains the insolent part.

Great plan, do something that will make the "police state" worse. Provoke more Gun-Control. >.>

His methods could cause a crackdown. But at least he knows who the enemy is. More Americans must wakeup to it

as many lives as it takes to fight the power
And how exactly are you "fighting the power" by surfing internet message boards, MKULTRA?

And how exactly are you "fighting the power" by surfing internet message boards, MKULTRA?
raising consciousness fighting the infowar

Wow that is so crazy it blew my mind! That dude was probably just out of his mind like so many ex-military personal from being in the army.

:rolleyes: any proof, any proof at all? They didn't even say if the guy had ever seen combat.

raising consciousness fighting the infowar

Making yourself look like a crazy person...

because thats a legal tool corporations use to deny themselves being held accountable for killing people

Uhh no, it's not.

But whatever.

:rolleyes: any proof, any proof at all? They didn't even say if the guy had ever seen combat.
I have no idea. It seems like a lot of soldiers go crazy for some reason or another. I remember a few years ago after they came home from Afghnanistan something like 4 or 5 soldiers from a single base all murdered their wives. I don't know if it is from seeing people splatter in front of you or is just from the training they give you.

I have no idea. It seems like a lot of soldiers go crazy for some reason or another. I remember a few years ago after they came home from Afghnanistan something like 4 or 5 soldiers from a single base all murdered their wives. I don't know if it is from seeing people splatter in front of you or is just from the training they give you.
A person who can kill on demand isn't the most stable person...

Making yourself look like a crazy person...
thats the price you pay doing the Right Thing. But people shouldnt be caught up in the narcissism of their own identity anyway. In reality identity is just a concept and is constantly changing

I have no idea. It seems like a lot of soldiers go crazy for some reason or another. I remember a few years ago after they came home from Afghnanistan something like 4 or 5 soldiers from a single base all murdered their wives. I don't know if it is from seeing people splatter in front of you or is just from the training they give you.
or the drugs/vaccines they give them...

because thats a legal tool corporations use to deny themselves being held accountable for killing people

Pardon me,

Actually, it would be the fault of the person who did the killing and the people who ordered the killing, not the corporation itself. If this includes the people who run the coporation, then so be it.

well my terrorist organization is called MILF: militant idiot liberation front

Pardon me,

Actually, it would be the fault of the person who did the killing and the people who ordered the killing, not the corporation itself. If this includes the people who run the coporation, then so be it.
the Supreme court in a bad ruling once gave the corporate beast special rights when it declared them to be people

I actually think there is a problem with the gov., too.

It's doing too much, not too little. It should stop interfering with us.

That doesn't mean I'm going to go kill a cop... the cop had nothing to do with it...

I'll support a political change.

My parents work in the Federal Parks system, are they part of the repressive force of govornment?
Do they deserve to die because they get a paycheck from the "Evil tyranical forces of Washington?"

well my terrorist organization is called MILF: militant idiot liberation front
You do know what MILF means right? I mean even if you are in Ireland surely you must know right?

I actually think there is a problem with the gov., too.

It's doing too much, not too little. It should stop interfering with us.

That doesn't mean I'm going to go kill a cop... the cop had nothing to do with it...

I'll support a political change.
Me2--the Govt is a bigger threat to us then any terrorist

My parents work in the Federal Parks system, are they part of the repressive force of govornment?
Do they deserve to die because they get a paycheck from the "Evil tyranical forces of Washington?"
no because Parks Rangers dont go around killing people

no because Parks Rangers dont go around killing people
Yes, but they work for the evil repressive govornment, no doubt Park Rangers frequently abuse hippies who squat in park lands.
This is obviosuly a violation of the hippies freedom of speech, or something.

the Supreme court in a bad ruling once gave the corporate beast special rights when it declared them to be people

It didn't really make much of a difference in legal circuits, and certainly didn't legalize murder.

because thats a legal tool corporations use to deny themselves being held accountable for killing people
No, the police are collectively owned by the entire tax-paying public.

Yes, but they work for the evil repressive govornment, no doubt Park Rangers frequently abuse hippies who squat in park lands.
This is obviosuly a violation of the hippies freedom of speech, or something.
it totally is but the hipppies should practice civil disobedience like Gandhi

It didn't really make much of a difference in legal circuits, and certainly didn't legalize murder.
but corporations get away with murder everyday...

No, the police are collectively owned by the entire tax-paying public.
then the police should be punished more frequently

but corporations get away with murder everyday...

No, they don't. Stop being silly. It's people like you who earnestly spout this nonsensical rhetoric, that are at least partly to blame for the idiots who run around shooting other people.

but corporations get away with murder everyday...

Like where....

I haven't seen this humongous corporate genocide. All they do is make the stuff I need, and they do it a lot better than the gov. could ever hope to.

Why has America, ever since it's founding, always hated the successful?

That is the nation's largest flaw, I think--we hate those who succeed.

Like where....

I haven't seen this humongous corporate genocide. All they do is make the stuff I need, and they do it a lot better than the gov. could ever hope to.
*ahem* Latin America?
corporations fund US foreign policy which promotes genocide of poor people abroad

Why has America, ever since it's founding, always hated the successful?

That is the nation's largest flaw, I think--we hate those who succeed.
when they succeed by exploitation and crimes agains humanity the hate is well earned

Why has America, ever since it's founding, always hated the successful?

That is the nation's largest flaw, I think--we hate those who succeed.


You've struck a vein much much older than the united states.

It is Christianity which hates success and the successful.

But not merely the successful, the healthy also, and the joyful and the brilliant.

Why has America, ever since it's founding, always hated the successful?

That is the nation's largest flaw, I think--we hate those who succeed.
Americans don't hate the successful... Americans aim to be the successful! This is a well known fact/stereotype. Irish people on the other hand - now we are people who hate the successful!

Americans don't hate the successful... Americans aim to be the successful! This is a well known fact/stereotype. Irish people on the other hand - now we are people who hate the successful!


Indeed, half of Ireland succeeded and got to be part of the United Kingdom and the louts in the other half keep murdering them and trying to blow up the police.

when they succeed by exploitation and crimes agains humanity the hate is well earned
i'm jsut going to say two things, both from the other thread you jsut posted. first of all, you bought a pair of nike snowboarding pants, and yet you claim to be revolutionary. second, you can afford a pair of snowboarding pants, so clearly you aren't doing too badly. snowboarding is an expensive hobby.

at the risk of speaking too soon, that did seem to shut him up.

*ahem* Latin America?
corporations fund US foreign policy which promotes genocide of poor people abroad

Now this is absolutely false but I won't bother to cite it because I'm dealing with Skapedro/MKULTRA/TRA!

You've struck a vein much much older than the united states.

It is Christianity which hates success and the successful.

But not merely the successful, the healthy also, and the joyful and the brilliant.
I dont think anyone hates the joyful and the healthy but the successful have been hated thru the ages cause theyre the oppressor class

i'm jsut going to say two things, both from the other thread you jsut posted. first of all, you bought a pair of nike snowboarding pants, and yet you claim to be revolutionary. second, you can afford a pair of snowboarding pants, so clearly you aren't doing too badly. snowboarding is an expensive hobby.
my father is rich im not--I just use plastic

at the risk of speaking too soon, that did seem to shut him up.
no I jsut had to go to bed :)

Now this is absolutely false but I won't bother to cite it because I'm dealing with Skapedro/MKULTRA/TRA!
US foriegn policy is based on corporate terrorism

While I agree with a lot of your views on the dominance of the military industrial complex, I don't think violence is warranted. It makes us no better than them. People might listen to you if you didn't go on these hysterical rants. You do for the left what VoteEarly does for Calvinism.

While I agree with a lot of your views on the dominance of the military industrial complex, I don't think violence is warranted. It makes us no better than them. People might listen to you if you didn't go on these hysterical rants. You do for the left what VoteEarly does for Calvinism.
who are voteEarly and calvinism?

US foriegn policy is based on corporate terrorism

Actually its based on politics.

That dude was probably just out of his mind like so many ex-military personal from being in the army.
Excuse me??? I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that you prove this totally bogus and outlandish statement. Sources, stats, etc., please.

*People in America are fedup with the corporate/police state tyranny that America has become but Im not 100% sure if this is the best way to make that point. What I do know is that people must arisel in ways that they feel is right in their gut. But the important thing is that they fight for justice most of all*

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...6-2005Apr3.html
COLUSA, Calif.

The coming revolution against the United States government was announced on the Internet via a manifesto by a self-described "proud and insolent youth," a college sophomore who sought to be our leader. This was to be the spark:

At 1:27 a.m. on Nov. 19, 2002, Officer David Mobilio of the Red Bluff Police Department was working the graveyard shift when he pulled his cruiser into a gas station in his quiet little farm town. As he stood beside the car, the 31-year-old husband and father of a toddler was shot three times, twice in the back and once in the head, at very close range.

Beside Mobilio's dead body, someone left a handmade flag with a picture of a snake's head and the words "Don't Tread on Us."

A well-chosen spot for an ambush. That is what investigators later concluded, especially when they learned the suspected assailant had Army Ranger training. A lonely crossroads. Poorly lit. No station attendant on duty. No witnesses. It was a killing that might have never been solved.

That is, until a confession appeared on the Internet. Six days after the shooting, a manifesto appeared on more than a dozen Web sites operated by the left-leaning Independent Media Center.

It began: "Hello Everyone, my name's Andy. I killed a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California in a motion to bring attention to, and halt, the police-state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country. Now I'm coming forward, to explain that this killing was also an action against corporate irresponsibility."

The tract -- which managed to mingle an almost chirpy tone with leftist cant -- was signed by "Andrew McCrae," later found to be an alias for Andrew Mickel, a student at a liberal arts college who before enrolling had served three years stateside with the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division.

Mickel explained that "prior to my action in Red Bluff, I formed a corporation under the name 'Proud and Insolent Youth Incorporated,' so that I could use the destructive immunity of corporations and turn it on something that actually should be destroyed." The name is a reference to the novel "Peter Pan." "Just before their final duel and Capt. Hook's demise, Hook said to Peter, 'Proud and Insolent Youth, prepare to meet thy doom,' " Mickel wrote.

"Now, Peter Pan hates pirates, and I hate pirates, and corporations are nothing but a bunch of pirates," he wrote. "It's time to send them to a watery grave, and rip them completely out of our lives."

Mickel wrote that he was incorporating to shield himself from prosecution. He urged everyone to join his board of directors. His stock would be free. He called for insurrection. A national strike. Mass resistance. "But don't do anything you're uncomfortable with," Mickel added, "and don't pressure anyone else into anything they're uncomfortable with."


*Sigh*. As much as I advocate killing members of the Corporate Ruling Class, this goes too far. The poor pig is just a pawn, it would be better to shoot some CEO or something. Less people will miss them and more will cheer for their death.

The perpetrator of this evil act is not a hero. He's not fighting the power or sticking it to the man. He is a thug, a murderer, a cop-killer. He is deserving of nothing but contempt and death.

Anyone who supports him should be deeply ashamed of themselves. You are sociopaths, and a blight upon our society.