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Who is Al-Qaeda? What are they? Apparently, we don't know. If you ask someone, they'd say "terrorists." Where? In the middle east..

Which ones?

It is very clear that the term "Al-Qaeda" has become grossly-misused. There are Al-Qaeda, but it isn't this massive global conspiracy that people paint it out to be. In truth, it is several thousand Islamic extremists from various countries, mostly Afghanistan. A large majority of them were killed during the war with Afghanistan, and it's not really clear whether the current attackers are Al-Qaeda, or just random Islamic militants (possibly even Iraqis that resent being occupied). Because Al-Qaeda was an organized group, under the leadership of Bin Laden. Bin Laden is in hiding, or possibly even dead. So, they aren't organized, therefore, what Al-Qaeda is left?

For an idea of what "Al-Qaeda" actually is, take a look at:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,996509,00.html

There's various sects of Islam, all with their own Ji'hads, and many of them hate eachother. And then there's the dictators in Saudi Arabia (or Hussein, before being overthrown) who aren't concerned with religion at all, really, but only their own wealth. Are they Al-Qaeda? No. Because their best interests are in securing their own finances, not any radical, spiritual quests. The radical Islamic groups that would want to attack the U.S. wouldn't be able to generate any sort of income, that would benefit the Saudis or Hussein. So, it makes a lot more sense for the Saudis to trade with us, rather than be our enemies. Hussein wanted to trade with us as well, but we constantly put embargos on him, for not letting weapons inspectors in.

One intelligence source said that a reason why Hussein would not let the inspections go on (other than WMDs), was for his own security. If Iraq's enemy, Iran, found out that Iraq didn't have any weapons anymore, then that makes them an open target. But if they're suspicious, then it's too big of a risk to take. Plus, it's also got probably something to do with Hussein's pride. A brutal dictator who runs a large country like Iraq, with an iron fist, is certainly not going to be humble. We were never told of this possibility, though, because Bush, of course, had to make his case for Iraq. If he claimed, "We're fighting for the Iraqi's freedom", it would've been bullshit. In other countries, they torture Muslim "heretics." In Iran, women who refused to wear veils were slashed with razors or had acid thrown in their faces. So, why didn't we (or don't we) go to war with Iran, for their freedom? :confused:

I mean, if someone was accusing you of a crime and demanded to enter your house, constantly, whenever they wanted, without warning, how would you feel? Imagine the United Nations running weapons inspections on the U.S., constantly raiding the White House, and being angry with us for not letting them in.

But no one ever tells us this. No one ever tells us what Al-Qaeda really is and that people labeled as "Al-Qaeda operatives" are often later found to be innocent, and were only labeled as that because they were trying to kill U.S. soliders and "Iraqi separatists" doesn't sound as catchy. Plus, we'd rather live in the daydream that all the Iraqis love us for freeing them and that the only ones trying to kill us are the ones responsible for 9\11. Neither of which is true. Several Iraqi government officials called Blair and Bush war criminals, not too long ago.

Al-Qaeda is an ambiguous term that means nothing anymore, used to spread fear. Although there have been some alliances in the past, the term creates a "conspiracy" group that isn't real. It's really interesting to see how the government can turn many normal people into ignorant conspiracy theorists, who have become so engrossed in their politically-fed ignorance, that they don't even ask such basic questions as: What is Al-Qaeda? Al-Qaeda does not exist. ;)

AL qaeda is for all intensive purposes arabic for "the boogeyman."

I dont believe in al qaeda, I know the americans cant be trusted.

You do not exist :D

I only know that I, my very own consciousness exist. I don't even know for sure that my body exists. For all I know you are just a delusion. Stop bothering me delusion!

What is the CIA?
An intelligence agency.

Where is it?
Um... Langley, Virginia.

Which ones?
Wtf do you mean, which ones? Which wheres? Which whats? Which CIAs?

In all reality, the term CIA is grossly missused. They are only one of about 15 major US intelligence agencies. Because the CIA is an organised group, under the leadership of the former Director of the CIA. Where is he? He resigned, maybe he's dead or in hiding. So, they aren't organised.

For an idea of what the CIA really is, here's a website that has a banner on the top with a political figure bouncing across the screen like a bunny rabbit that assumes that a small percent of its readers will trust it over the mainstream news networks of the world because they tout a hyperliberal mesage that appeals to that small percent of its readers, the same way as Michael Savage does for manic rightwingers.

CIA is an ambiguous name, like Al Queda. After all, Central Intelligence Agency doesn't make any more sence than "The Base". It's really amazing how many poor gits actually believe the CIA exists, because they don't ask the question "What is the CIA?" The CIA Doesn't exist. ;)

interestingly, neither did "the jackal" that great middleeastern terrorist/assassin. well he did exist, he just wasnt any good at it. the cia just thought it would be more effective to put a face on terrorism so they blamed every successful assassination/terrorst act that they could on HIM.

now its all alqaeda instead.

Goddamit, I told you..

The CIA doesn't exist!

What is the CIA?
An intelligence agency.

Where is it?
Um... Langley, Virginia.

Which ones?
Wtf do you mean, which ones? Which wheres? Which whats? Which CIAs?

In all reality, the term CIA is grossly missused. They are only one of about 15 major US intelligence agencies. Because the CIA is an organised group, under the leadership of the former Director of the CIA. Where is he? He resigned, maybe he's dead or in hiding. So, they aren't organised.
Poor analogy.


No one is trying to kill the head of the CIA.
The CIA has a main base of operations. As you said, Langley. It's still there.
Al-Qaeda has no known base of operations. They were in Afghanistan, but not anymore.
The CIA's job is defense, Al-Qaeda's job is terrorism.
While the CIA gets hundreds of billions a year, Al-Qaeda's funds are currently little or nothing.


The CIA is clearly defined. Stupid argument. You can call the CIA. Hell, they have a website. Get real. =p

For an idea of what the CIA really is, here's a website that has a banner on the top with a political figure bouncing across the screen like a bunny rabbit that assumes that a small percent of its readers will trust it over the mainstream news networks of the world because they tout a hyperliberal mesage that appeals to that small percent of its readers, the same way as Michael Savage does for manic rightwingers.
Wow, you really took your ignorance and ran with it, like a retard at the Special Olympics.

THE GUARDIAN IS A RESPECTED BRITISH NEWSMEDIA..

THE GUARDIAN IS A RESPECTED BRITISH NEWSMEDIA..
Wasn't it The Guardian that also called for the assasination of Bush? That's not very respectible to me, somebody who doesn't like Bush...

Wasn't it The Guardian that also called for the assasination of Bush? That's not very respectible to me, somebody who doesn't like Bush...

That and encouraged their subscribers to write letters to voters in Ohio to vote for Kerry.

You do not exist.

You do not exist.

Oh I know I exist.

Wasn't it The Guardian that also called for the assasination of Bush? That's not very respectible to me, somebody who doesn't like Bush...
It was an editorial, taken out of context. There was the 00 curse, Every President elected at the beginning of a decade, for a while now, is always assassinated. People thought it was going to happen to Bush too, and that was what it was sarcastically in reference to.

The original text read:
"The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us... ...John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?"

If they were serious (like Ann Coulter), they wouldn't have apologized for it, afterwards.

Durn Brits n' liberals n' Kerry n' them durn Bostonians...

*goes back to watching NASCAR*

On topic:

If Al-Queda does not exist, neither do the 2,000+ people who died on September 11, 2001.

So, why didn't we (or don't we) go to war with Iran, for their freedom?

Give it time.

Imagine the United Nations running weapons inspections on the U.S., constantly raiding the White House, and being angry with us for not letting them in.

The thing is, we would let them in, they'd find nothing (we don't keep nukes in the White House, I'm positive). If, of course, they would go to the Southwest, they'd find a shitload of nukes. We'd never give them up; we are, afterall, the richest and most influential country on the planet. We're bigger than you; deal with it. ;)

Several Iraqi government officials called Blair and Bush war criminals, not too long ago.

Lemme call attention to the words 'Iraqi government officials' and further attention to the word 'Iraqi'. 'Nuff said.

...but only their own wealth. Are they Al-Qaeda? No. Because their...

Erm, we never said they were. They're rich, good for them.

The best page i've read claimes that Al Quiada belongs to Mossad.

The best page i've read claimes that Al Quiada belongs to Mossad.

Right... the very same intelligence agency that spends heaps of money trying to destroy an organization created it in the first place... ?

Al Queda rose out of the ashes of the Afghani insurgiency against the Soviet Union.

Thousands of Jihadists--young arabic men wishing to save a muslim nation against a secular invader--moved from their home countries to Afghanistan to resist the Soviets; there, they met up with US airborn troops and intelligence and special operations forces, who tought them the skills they needed to fight against the Soviets.

Financed by Soudi Arabia, orchestrated by the US, and manned by jihadists, the Afghani insurgiency succeded in driving out the Soviet invaders, thus securing Afghanistan from foreign rule and thus keeping Soviet aircraft from being within range of the Persian Gulf.

After the Soviets retreated, the US pulled out, leaving the foreign fighters, whose countries for the most part would not take responsibility for bringing them home, stranded in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, the structures that allowed the Soudi/US fortification of Afghanistan remained in place. This included the recruiters and the funders, forgotten by the Soudi government.

The irregular troops that had fought the Soudis in Afghanistan held a new opinion of themselves, one that had not been present for a long time in the Middle East: that of their ability, through faith and courage, to defeat a visibly superior foe--like the Soviet Union or the United States.

With these in place, the dream of many Middle-Eastern Muslims--the restoration of a Caliphate--became a possibility. A man named Osama Bin Ladin, a wealthy Soudi oil baron who had fought and led in Afghanistan, took up the cause, and set out organising the forces set up by the US and Soudi Arabia durring the Afghani-Soviet war. Across the Islamic world, fighters and thinkers and merchants came to the ranks of bin Ladin's new idea, the organisation that would bring him the crown of Caliph, and galvanise the Islamic world into a new superpower. He called it "The Base"--Al Queda.

To support Al Queda, the Taliban government was created, uniting the tribes of Afghanistan under the Jihadist-supported rule of an Islamic Oligarchy.

One thing, believed Al Queda, was required to unite the middle east into a Caliphate: a war with the United States, which Al Queda would win. Following the victory, the people of Islam would turn to Bin Ladin, and the Caliphate would arise.

So Al Queda set out accomplishing its goal. In the process, it had several suboals:
1: To force the US into a war with the Middle Eastern world, and to ensure it would be defeated
2: To generate popular support in the Middle East and the Islamic world
3: To damage the United States politically, morally, physically, and economically, in preparation for the clash between Al Queda and the USA.

The first and third, due to Al Queda's limited power, came in the form of Terrorism, which allows a sufficiently dedicated and cunning group to wreak damage on a powerful opponent while staying safe.

On September 11, 2001, Al Queda made its play. The resulting war on Terror was almost precisely what they wanted. The results that the farthest on the left predicted--a "quagmire", "another Vietnam"--were what it wanted. The results that actually happened were not. A crazy Texan named George W Bush, a trigger-happy lover of pre-emptive war and cowboy diplomacy, coupled with a right-dominated legislative, engaged in an across-the-board war against states supporting Islamic terrorism. New advancements in technology, especially air support, made the Afghanistan war a success. The Iraqi military was steamrolled in a month.

Now Al Queda is in hiding, striking where it can, bluffing where it cannot, remaining invisible while it regains strength. Just a few days ago, it claimed credit for a large suicide attack on Abu Gharib.

Al Queda is down. But not out. They existed, and still exist. They were a threat, and will be again.

EDIT: To any US intelligence agent that reads this message because it has "Al Queda", "Bush", "Trigger", and "Attack" in it: Hi.

Wasn't it The Guardian that also called for the assasination of Bush? That's not very respectible to me, somebody who doesn't like Bush...

I am not a special fan of The Guardian but extremist like you will surely be against other centrist or not extreme right papers like "The Idependent". :p
Your best paper must be such like a US Pravda or other Fox propaganda.
Yeah indoctrinated people like you can be found all over the world but are (lucky enough) still seen as random extremists. :D