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What do think would have happened if:

Britain won the American war of independance?
No world war one?
No world war two?
Britain never lost control of northern france?
Industrial revolution happened in the middle or far east?

Just wondering what the alternate histories would be like.
Just a few ideas add your own if you want

I think if britain had won the war of independance the British Empire would be huge today, the sheer land mass of the north american continent would have provivide so much resources (like controling 2 indias) and the empire would have been so huge no one would be able to match it. Today this empire may perhaps control the entire world, i doubt in a tyranicle way (i believe the world may be a better place). I think the human race would be far more advanced (perhaps on mars already) due to the masses of resources available.

Had britain retained northern france perhaps the same thing as above

Industrial revolution in the middle east or far east, well their could be cities on the east coast of america calle new calcutta and saudi armies could be invading britain to prevent ethnic wars etween the welsh and english

What do think would have happened if:

Britain won the American war of independance?

Mexico would be a much larger country.

No world war one?

All of history would be so FUBAR I wouldn't dare try to predict

No world war two?

For there to be no WWII all of history would be so FUBAR I wouldn't dare try to predict

Britain never lost control of northern france?
Industrial revolution happened in the middle or far east?

See above

For there to have been no World War One, there could have been no Waterloo. For there to have been no Waterloo, the French Revolution should not have happened. For there to be no French Revolution etc etc you get the drift

World War One and Two were just the destructive release of all the feuds and rivaliries that had been dominating Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire. It was inevitable and would have happened at some point or another. The first World War was Europe's death toll, the final massive explosion that cut down monarchies, destroyed centuries old states and smashed once powerful nations into meaningless dust. Britain and France are the two European nations who are in the same form as they were prior to World War One and so can be judged only two European surviviors. They outlived their centuris old rivals and so can be claimed as the two European victors who emerged from the millenia old rat race triumphant.

For no world war one i think Europe would be a far more influencial area of the world (I know it is now but even more so) the "old world empires e.g. british french and austro hungary would be around in force even today.

For no world war two we would probably be thirty years behind in technology due the amounts learnt in that war also i belive the USA would not be as powerful as that war helped reduce the power of its competetors (bar the ussr)

World War One and Two were just the destructive release of all the feuds and rivaliries that had been dominating Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire. It was inevitable and would have happened at some point or another. The first World War was Europe's death toll, the final massive explosion that cut down monarchies, destroyed centuries old states and smashed once powerful nations into meaningless dust. Britain and France are the two European nations who are in the same form as they were prior to World War One and so can be judged only two European surviviors. They outlived their centuris old rivals and so can be claimed as the two European victors who emerged from the millenia old rat race triumphant.

Unchanged my foot. Every European country was changed, and changed significantly by WWI. WWI served as a turning point for every country in Europe and no one "survived" it.

What do think would have happened if:

Britain won the American war of independance?

America still would still have gotten its independence ultimately. But would be a lot smaller, and as said above, Mexico being much larger. Maybe another country would exist along with the three already there.

No world war one?

I cannot see how this is possible personally.

But going a long with the idea, much worse. A far more serious Cold war scenario with advanced countries close together and lots nukes.


No world war two?

No idea. Possibly no Isreal, or Isreal being set up a lot later.

Britain never lost control of northern france?

The further back in time you go, the more consequences will happen and more History will be changed.

Industrial revolution happened in the middle or far east?

I find this unlikely to happen, at best.

Britain was very much changed by ww1 ok the british isles didnt loose any land but it was one of the final nails in the coffin for its empire as it was no longer financially able to sustain one

An industrial revolution in the east isnt that unprobable as they were far more advanced then the west in the dark ages, they invented alot of things such as the roots of chemistry and gunpowder

For there to have been no World War One, there could have been no Waterloo. For there to have been no Waterloo, the French Revolution should not have happened. For there to be no French Revolution etc etc you get the drift

World War One and Two were just the destructive release of all the feuds and rivaliries that had been dominating Europe since the fall of the Roman Empire. It was inevitable and would have happened at some point or another. The first World War was Europe's death toll, the final massive explosion that cut down monarchies, destroyed centuries old states and smashed once powerful nations into meaningless dust. Britain and France are the two European nations who are in the same form as they were prior to World War One and so can be judged only two European surviviors. They outlived their centuris old rivals and so can be claimed as the two European victors who emerged from the millenia old rat race triumphant.
Maybe he was on to something. No American Revolution maybe the French wouldn't have gained enough steam for thier revolution, which happened in part to the funding of ours. Without the French Revolution then there would be no Waterloo. However, their would have been, I think, and eventual degradation of the British and French empires. Germany at some point may have tried to get a bigger part on the stage but the larger more unified empires would have been able to put that down relatively quickly and perhaps not be as punitave (or perhaps more).

I'm not a huge history guy, though, so thats just off my head.

What do think would have happened if:

Britain won the American war of independance?
No world war one?
No world war two?
Britain never lost control of northern france?
Industrial revolution happened in the middle or far east?

Just wondering what the alternate histories would be like.
Just a few ideas add your own if you want

The Europeans would make sure Great Britain didnt gete that large. If it did then all the europeans would kill great britain.

Another scenario to consider is what if britain hadnt declared war on nazi germany. Hitler didnt want war with britain and was suprised when they declared war, imagine if the political climate in britain at that time was different britain could have allied with germany, that would have strange outcomes with britains empire and navy and germanys industrial and military might?

Maybe he was on to something. No American Revolution maybe the French wouldn't have gained enough steam for thier revolution, which happened in part to the funding of ours. Without the French Revolution then there would be no Waterloo.

Wasn't the question "If Britain won the American revolution," that is, it still happened but was quashed. France still would have supported it, so it still would have been banrupted by the support.

The revolution would have still taken place imo, but would probably turn out different.

Britain was very much changed by ww1 ok the british isles didnt loose any land but it was one of the final nails in the coffin for its empire as it was no longer financially able to sustain one

WWI also showed that the state could very much take an interventionalist role on the domestic front.

In response to Jibea
would the other europeans have been able to prevent great britain in these scenarios as the power held by britain would be so immense that i dont think it would have been possible.

Unchanged my foot. Every European country was changed, and changed significantly by WWI. WWI served as a turning point for every country in Europe and no one "survived" it.

I think Britain can be said to have survived it. The country and all of its institutions survived. The monarchy went on. The rule of common law went on. Parliament went on.

France preserved its revolution and its ideals. All of its government procedures and models were left unchanged.

In most European countries this was not the case. Tsarist Russia was killed by the First World War and it will never emerge again. The same can be said about Austria Hungary, once the greatest of all European powers, now reduced to portion of Germany.

Britain and France are the only two countries who are virtually the same as they were in 1914.

Wasn't the question "If Britain won the American revolution," that is, it still happened but was quashed. France still would have supported it, so it still would have been banrupted by the support.

The revolution would have still taken place imo, but would probably turn out different.
I guess it would have to depend on how fast and why it happened that way. If it was protracted, then French revolution but with no illusion that we would help. If it was quick or we lost because the French didn't help, then no French Revolution.

The american revolution did nearly fail one of the key factors to its sucess weas the British parliament, they saw the revolutionaries as protecting their lands, they saw what they were doing as a very "english" thing and and so parliament wasnt fully behind fighting the war.

I guess it would have to depend on how fast and why it happened that way. If it was protracted, then French revolution but with no illusion that we would help. If it was quick or we lost because the French didn't help, then no French Revolution.

Personally I am of the view that the French revolution was inevitable or largely inevitable. Largely due to the fact that it had a variety of causes which help 'bank' revolutionary sympathy (dammit it is 3 am, sorry I couldn't think of a better way of saying that). Also the ancien regime would be nearly impossible to sustain in such a country at such a time, and the state showed how unwilling it was to change.

Also there was no thought that the new republic in the American colonies would help the French.

I think Britain can be said to have survived it. The country and all of its institutions survived. The monarchy went on. The rule of common law went on. Parliament went on.

France preserved its revolution and its ideals. All of its government procedures and models were left unchanged.

In most European countries this was not the case. Tsarist Russia was killed by the First World War and it will never emerge again. The same can be said about Austria Hungary, once the greatest of all European powers, now reduced to portion of Germany.

Britain and France are the only two countries who are virtually the same as they were in 1914.

You are using a very loose use of the term "virtually." Both Britain and France were vastly changed by WWI. The little subject of colonial possessions.

The american revolution did nearly fail one of the key factors to its sucess weas the British parliament, they saw the revolutionaries as protecting their lands, they saw what they were doing as a very "english" thing and and so parliament wasnt fully behind fighting the war.

Surprisingly (for me at least) the arch-conservative Burke supported the Americans wish for independence.

I think Britain can be said to have survived it. The country and all of its institutions survived. The monarchy went on. The rule of common law went on. Parliament went on.

Well I don't know much about France, but Britain was changed imo (not as drastically as the other participants obviously though). I think it opened the door for socialisation, it was showed the state could take an interventionist role domestically, most importantly in industry. It also increased revolutionary fervour slightly, albeit effectivly temporerily [sp]. The 40 hour week strikes at the end of war show this.