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Well, they gave England everything. Plus the trains.

Now they are called 'chavs'.

But that is because they have money; so bow down southern shandy drinkers, and worship the greatness that is geordieland.

Team up with the the Mancs and Scousers dammit. We can take the southern pansies.

The North will rise again!!

Team up with the the Mancs and Scousers dammit. We can take the southern pansies.

The North will rise again!!

Yes, I am not against that at all.

We need our own national anthem, not involving people in the south east.

Yes, I am not against that at all.

We need our own national anthem, not involving people in the south east.
Leaders of Men by Joy Division?

Could you explain this for those of us from the States that arn't exactly familiar with the context of this situation? I'm getting the impression that those from southern England or around there with a higher proportion of those in an upper economic class look down on the north which I am guessing is a more rural northern area with a lower economic class. Am I warm?

Newky Brown, thanks for that, quite possibly the best thing that will ever have come of planet earth.

Otherwise, sod this north-south crap, it's a myth to distract people in the same fashion as was the imagined threat of Red aggression, or of global terror networks... only not so dramatic. It's not like there's no poor people in the south, or that most of the northern people making money have any greater affinity with northerners than southerners.

...And anyway, what about Cheshire? We should burn that before heading south, eh? :D

Could you explain this for those of us from the States that arn't exactly familiar with the context of this situation? I'm getting the impression that those from London and south look down upon what I'm guessing is a more rural northern area with a lower economic class. Am I warm?

There is a kind of traditional, non serious, animosity between the North and the South in England. The South was the rich part, with the North (and the other regions) being used as the nations work shop and left poor after the end of industrialism. What Lac is objecting to is that the North has been developing and now that the old working class are getting some money, they are spending on fancy things. Which the south is labelling 'chavvish' or noveau riche.

This is of course horribly generalised of course.

Sure this North/South thing serves no purpose. But it is a lot of fun :)


...And anyway, what about Cheshire? We should burn that before heading south, eh? :D

I'm sure they are spies ;)

London Uber Alles


I've been to wales, and I can say that London is definitely better.

London Uber Alles


I've been to wales, and I can say that London is definitely better.

You should try coming to Manchester :)

London Uber Alles


I've been to wales, and I can say that London is definitely better.


Wow, wow, let's not get carried away, now!

London is better than, you know, pretty much everywhere else, but it is seriously short-changed when it comes to surprisingly pretty valleys. And cockney slang may impress some people, but it has too many vowels to compete with Welsh :)

There is a kind of traditional, non serious, animosity between the North and the South in England. The South was the rich part, with the North (and the other regions) being used as the nations work shop and left poor after the end of industrialism. What Lac is objecting to is that the North has been developing and now that the old working class are getting some money, they are spending on fancy things. Which the south is labelling 'chavvish' or noveau riche.

This is of course horribly generalised of course.

What about that 'chav'=criminal thing that resulted in a thread lock, and lac and biggles saying certain things...?

Wow, wow, let's not get carried away, now!

London is better than, you know, pretty much everywhere else, but it is seriously short-changed when it comes to surprisingly pretty valleys. And cockney slang may impress some people, but it has too many vowels to compete with Welsh :)


A welshman *would* steal vowels now wouldnt he.

Could you explain this for those of us from the States that arn't exactly familiar with the context of this situation? I'm getting the impression that those from southern England or around there with a higher proportion of those in an upper economic class look down on the north which I am guessing is a more rural northern area with a lower economic class. Am I warm?

Bah, the south fucks around with the money because they have parliament (what a poofter thing).

Geordieland rules, and if you say different we'll smash you face in.

At any rate; it's not called 'newky brown' or whatever. It's called 'dog'.

And don't drink it; we don't. We drink exhibition bonny lad, not 'newky brown'.

What about that 'chav'=criminal thing that resulted in a thread lock, and lac and biggles saying certain things...?
As far as I can see, the section of the working class commonly refered to as 'chavs' are those that don't meet the expections and conform to the values of some sections of the middle class. They are seen as welfare spongers who spend their lives around taking drugs, shopping for bling and (ahem) designer lables and indulging in petty crimes like mugging, vandalism etc.

On drugs, all sections of society take drugs, Prince Harry showed the royals aren't immune to this, the middle class certainly do. So why should the working class not? Not that they all take drugs anyway, but since we are talking about media hysteria...

Same for clothes, chavs have a different sense of what is fasionable and they have their own fasions. But since they cannot afford to buy the wardrobes that richer sections might it is labelled as tacky. I also think there is a bit of anger on the part of the middle class towards chavs. Case in point, Burberry, which when launched was marketed for the upper-middle/ upper classes. However the chavs co opted it, which ruined the middle class's fun. I mean they couldn't possibly be seen dead in some the great unwashed wear could they?

Also the violence appears to be hugely exaggerated too. Now I know I am appealing to evidence I usually dismiss out of hand, anecdotal evidence. But I really cannot be bothered to google around for sources at this time in the morning. Anyway, currently I am living in private student accomodation that is right in the middle of an area with lots of 'scallies' (Northern derivation of chav). Now surely if scallies were as violent as is suggested, at least one person I know here would be beaten up. Though this isn't the case. There is a bit of graffitti, but honestly nothing bad, and it is hardly in the extreme.


A welshman *would* steal vowels now wouldnt he.

Dammit, I'm still waiting for you joke about Manchester :)

As far as I can see, the section of the working class commonly refered to as 'chavs' are those that don't meet the expections and conform to the values of some sections of the middle class. They are seen as welfare spongers who spend their lives around taking drugs, shopping for bling and (ahem) designer lables and indulging in petty crimes like mugging, vandalism etc.

On drugs, all sections of society take drugs, Prince Harry showed the royals aren't immune to this, the middle class certainly do. So why should the working class not? Not that they all take drugs anyway, but since we are talking about media hysteria...

Same for clothes, chavs have a different sense of what is fasionable and they have their own fasions. But since they cannot afford to buy the wardrobes that richer sections might it is labelled as tacky. I also think there is a bit of anger on the part of the middle class towards chavs. Case in point, Burberry, which when launched was marketed for the upper-middle/ upper classes. However the chavs co opted it, which ruined the middle class's fun. I mean they couldn't possibly be seen dead in some the great unwashed wear could they?

Also the violence appears to be hugely exaggerated too. Now I know I am appealing to evidence I usually dismiss out of hand, anecdotal evidence. But I really cannot be bothered to google around for sources at this time in the morning. Anyway, currently I am living in private student accomodation that is right in the middle of an area with lots of 'scallies' (Northern derivation of chav). Now surely if scallies were as violent as is suggested, at least one person I know here would be beaten up. Though this isn't the case. There is a bit of graffitti, but honestly nothing bad, and it is hardly in the extreme.


Well, the thing of it is, that a lot of what people call chavs, actually have jobs and shit. Thus making money and enjoying themselves.

Personally, I find it funny, since my auntie's house at the sea-side (and she is totally chav) is now worth over 0.75 million pounds. Of course when she bought it, it wasn't worth shit, but who looks smart now, public school motherfuckers.

God bless Margaret Thatcher, and the culture she created.

As far as I can see, the section of the working class commonly refered to as 'chavs' are those that don't meet the expections and conform to the values of some sections of the middle class. They are seen as welfare spongers who spend their lives around taking drugs, shopping for bling and (ahem) designer lables and indulging in petty crimes like mugging, vandalism etc.

On drugs, all sections of society take drugs, Prince Harry showed the royals aren't immune to this, the middle class certainly do. So why should the working class not? Not that they all take drugs anyway, but since we are talking about media hysteria...

Same for clothes, chavs have a different sense of what is fasionable and they have their own fasions. But since they cannot afford to buy the wardrobes that richer sections might it is labelled as tacky. I also think there is a bit of anger on the part of the middle class towards chavs. Case in point, Burberry, which when launched was marketed for the upper-middle/ upper classes. However the chavs co opted it, which ruined the middle class's fun. I mean they couldn't possibly be seen dead in some the great unwashed wear could they?

Also the violence appears to be hugely exaggerated too. Now I know I am appealing to evidence I usually dismiss out of hand, anecdotal evidence. But I really cannot be bothered to google around for sources at this time in the morning. Anyway, currently I am living in private student accomodation that is right in the middle of an area with lots of 'scallies' (Northern derivation of chav). Now surely if scallies were as violent as is suggested, at least one person I know here would be beaten up. Though this isn't the case. There is a bit of graffitti, but honestly nothing bad, and it is hardly in the extreme.




Dammit, I'm still waiting for you joke about Manchester :)


And wait you shall, wait you shall.

Bah, the south fucks around with the money because they have parliament (what a poofter thing).

Geordieland rules, and if you say different we'll smash you face in.

At any rate; it's not called 'newky brown' or whatever. It's called 'dog'.

And don't drink it; we don't. We drink exhibition bonny lad, not 'newky brown'.

Well it would sound pretty stupid walking into a pub and asking for Newky/Newcy/N'castle/Newcastle Brown if you were in Newcastle, yes, I can imagine that... but the fact remains, it's a damn sight better than the alternatives around here (Thwaits this and that, Bud, watered-down versions of continental lagers, frigging Worthington's, and so forth).

If I asked for dog, around here, I'd be lucky if the barmaid slapped me, let alone gave me a decent bottle of ale. I imagine I'd get a, "Y'whaa? Dog?"

Well it would sound pretty stupid walking into a pub and asking for Newky/Newcy/N'castle/Newcastle Brown if you were in Newcastle, yes, I can imagine that... but the fact remains, it's a damn sight better than the alternatives around here (Thwaits this and that, Bud, watered-down versions of continental lagers, frigging Worthington's, and so forth).

If I asked for dog, around here, I'd be lucky if the barmaid slapped me, let alone gave me a decent bottle of ale. I imagine I'd get a, "Y'whaa? Dog?"

The correct approach:

"Gis a bottle of dog, bonny lass."

If they don't know that, well, you are not in Geordieland.

However, really, ask instead for a pint of Exhibition. (that is sweet,sweet beer).

Indeed, my NYC mouth is watering thinking about it.

On the whole Burberry thing, I must admit that it's not something I've noticed on the scale of hoop-earringed-townie-girls-with-tracksuit-pants-tucket-into-disney-cartoon-socks or anything like that... in fact, my closest encounter was while wandering around London with an American who wanted me to take her picture in front of the big feck-off Burberry... outlet...thing, because her friend loves the stuff. I can't imagine any of her friends being American Chavs... if such things exist.

I forgot whether I was going anywhere with that.

Let me be the first dork to make the "Geordi LaForge" joke in this thread.

Well, the thing of it is, that a lot of what people call chavs, actually have jobs and shit. Thus making money and enjoying themselves.

Yeah, sorry. I was meant to add that. That the rate of umployement amoung the 'chav' community is greatly over exagerated.

But there seems to be no escape for them from middle class ire. If they become successful and rich they are still labeled as chav, but have noveau riche added to their label.

Which I think backs up my theory that it is because they don't conform to the standards set for them by their 'betters.'

frigging Worthington's,

*Sigh*
It is the only option for non-lager beer in the Student Union :(

My Family hails from YORK!?? :)

See, Lacadaemon, I would just about understand that... but I get funny looks when I don't order an alcopop, Bud, something-with-coke, or ...what's that cheap Mexican effort? as it is, heh.

And AC, that's just a waste of access-to-cheap-booze, isn' it? Those dastards! I'm sometimes forced to drink Worthy's when out with friends who're disinclined to bitter drinking. It makes me sad.

I don't know what to say about Chavs. I don't like the term. It just seemed to leap suddenly into the mainstream. I haven't actually noticed a change in what I'd tend to call, "townies" over god knows how many years, so it all rather washes over me. Why does eveyone suddenly hate them with such force? We used to just hate them in private, or with friends, while calling them townies of neds or something... then it became pop and suddenly whole communities were lumbered with this derogatory term. It's all a bit aggressive for my tastes.

Yeah, sorry. I was meant to add that. That the rate of umployement amoung the 'chav' community is greatly over exagerated.

But there seems to be no escape for them from middle class ire. If they become successful and rich they are still labeled as chav, but have noveau riche added to their label.

Which I think backs up my theory that it is because they don't conform to the standards set for them by their 'betters.'



*Sigh*
It is the only option for non-lager beer in the Student Union :(


You know what? Most of the time you would think I am a fascist bastard, but on this one, we agree.

Cheers. And I really mean that, at least you get it for my 'chav' relatives.

(to make it clear I am an american, but I have tonnes of geordie relatives).

See, Lacadaemon, I would just about understand that... but I get funny looks when I don't order an alcopop, Bud, something-with-coke, or ...what's that cheap Mexican effort? as it is, heh.

And AC, that's just a waste of access-to-cheap-booze, isn' it? Those dastards! I'm sometimes forced to drink Worthy's when out with friends who're disinclined to bitter drinking. It makes me sad.

:(

I don't know what to say about Chavs. I don't like the term. It just seemed to leap suddenly into the mainstream. I haven't actually noticed a change in what I'd tend to call, "townies" over god knows how many years, so it all rather washes over me. Why does eveyone suddenly hate them with such force? We used to just hate them in private, or with friends, while calling them townies of neds or something... then it became pop and suddenly whole communities were lumbered with this derogatory term. It's all a bit aggressive for my tastes.

Same with me and Scallies.

But yeah, I find this media frenzy ott and aggressive too (isn't irony brilliant) too.

It also pisses me off this attitude of some who feel it is their place how to live from their ivory towers.

You know what? Most of the time you would think I am a fascist bastard, but on this one, we agree.

Cheers. And I really mean that, at least you get it for my 'chav' relatives.

(to make it clear I am an american, but I have tonnes of geordie relatives).

What on earth is happen to me? Yesterday me and New British Glory agreed wholeheartedly on something. :eek:

Maybe NS is making me more right wing. :D

geordie
Chav
Mancs
Scousers
GAH!! As an ignorant Canadian, I deman definitions! NOW!

GAH!! As an ignorant Canadian, I deman definitions! NOW!
Geordie - Someone from Newcastle.

Manc - Someone from Manchester

Scouser - Someone from Liverpool.

Chav - I've offered a few definitions, but really there seems to be no set definition.

Let me be the first dork to make the "Geordi LaForge" joke in this thread.

The odd thing is:

Well they made him an engineer, and the dude who invented the railroad (railways for the english), was called Geordie.

In fact it was then stockton-darlington railway; the first ever.

Most, importantly to remember is that Geordie Stephenson, was the son of a mine engineer, and hence a 'chav' by the accounts of those from england.

Nevertheless, he invented the railways. So I'd rather be a 'chav' than a ponce.

Geordie - Someone from Newcastle.

Manc - Someone from Manchester

Scouser - Someone from Liverpool.

Chav - I've offered a few definitions, but really there seems to be no set definition.
Thanks :)

So I'd rather be a 'chav' than a ponce.
Here Here!

Ah think the people iv the neerth are the best ah hin their accents! ha gan yee neet hin it when people speak leek this?

Here is the National anthem of the Geordies:



I went to Blaydon Races
Twas on the 9th of June
Eighteen Hundred and Sixty Two
On a Summer's Afternoon
I took the bus from Balmbras
And she was heavy laden
Away we went along Collingwood Street
That's on the Road to Blaydon

Oh me lads, you should've seen us gannin
Passing the folks along the road
And all of them were starin'
All the lads and lasses there
They all had smilin' faces
Gannin along the Scotswood Road
To see the Blaydon Races

We flew past Armstrong's factory
And up by the Robin Adair
But gannin ower the Railway Bridge
The bus wheel flew off there
The lasses lost their crinolenes
And veils that hide their faces
I got two black eyes and a broken nose
In gannin to Blaydon Races

Oh me lads...

Now when we got the wheel back on
Away we went again
But them that had their noses broke
They went back ower hyem
Some went to the dispensary
And some to Doctor Gibbses
And some to the infirmary
To mend their broken ribses

Oh me lads...

We flew across the Chain Bridge
And into Blaydon Toon
The bellman he was calling then
They called him Jackie Broon
I saw him talking to some chaps
And them he was persuadin'
To gan and see Geordie Ridley's show
At the Mechanics' Hall in Blaydon

Oh me lads...

Now when we got to Paradise
There were bonny games begun
There were four and twenty on the bus
And how we danced and sung
They called on me to sing a song
and I sung 'em 'Paddy Fagan'
I danced a jig and I swung me twig
The day wi' went to Blaydon

Oh me lads...

The rain it poured down all the day
And made the ground quite muddy
Coffee Johnny had a white hat on
Shouted 'Wee stole the cuddy?'
There were spice stalls and monkey shows
And old wives selling ciders
And the chap on the ha'penny roundabout
Saying 'Any more lads for riders?'



Of course it is better when then a whole bunch of us are saying it.

Let me be the first dork to make the "Geordi LaForge" joke in this thread.
Thank you.

Thank you.

I figured someone had to.

Team up with the the Mancs and Scousers dammit. We can take the southern pansies.

The North will rise again!!



Yes, I am not against that at all.

We need our own national anthem, not involving people in the south east.
Yes, I am not against that at all.

We need our own national anthem, not involving people in the south east.

Its Grim Up North by the KLF springs readily to mind.

If we talk about songs on this theme, I'm really going to struggle to resist the urge to recite McCarthy's The Myth Of The North-South Divide, which goes along these lines:

"...For here, no one is poor
We all roll in it
We've all lined up on the same side
And we don't mind, it's the North is paying for it

The streets down here are paved with gold
Or silver at least
For we are living in the sunny Southeast

But as we sleep
The real moneybags
are pointing the way up a one-way street
The myth they've woven has worked a treat

Oh let's publicise
the North-South divide
If it's not a question of class war
We will save ourselves and let us stay poor"

But that would possibly ruin the mood, so I shan't do that...

Oops.

Nevertheless, he invented the railways. So I'd rather be a 'chav' than a ponce.


I laughed for about five minutes.

Ponce is my favorite word.

It isnt used in the US, but i took it up and convinced my friend to do the same when we did new years in London.

We were drunk and he didnt know what it meant, and i came up with 'dandy faggot' and that's stuck.

We roomed at times with australians and kiwis and this aussie girl was drunk with us and couldnt comprehend why we'd say 'ponce' so often and laugh so much and asked if we 'even knew what it meant' to which i replied 'dandy faggot' and she just sort of shrugged and nodded "yeah, basically."

We were on the third floor, second floor whatever, it was high up and i'd go to the window and scream "OY" "OY, FUCK YOU YOU PONCE" and we'd dive down and turn off the lights.



Also, we went to the national portrait gallery and decided that it was really the National Ponce Gallery because it is filled with paitings and sculptures of dandy faggots.

I invented a maxim too: the national gallery is a good place to go if you've got a hangover, the national ponce gallery is a good place to go if you're drunk.


wooo im a little tipsy but i got a RIDE so i didnt drink and drive.

Well, they gave England everything. Plus the trains.

Now they are called 'chavs'.

You might want to double check that. Geordies and chavs are two completely different things.

Yes, I am not against that at all.

We need our own national anthem, not involving people in the south east.
For some reason I always thought you were American!

For some reason I always thought you were American!

He is. AFAIK his family hails from Newcastle and he emigrated.

He is. AFAIK his family hails from Newcastle and he emigrated.

Was it too cold for them or something?

Was it too cold for them or something?
:D

So I'd rather be a 'chav' than a ponce.

http://www.manzanera.com/RoxyArchive/Images/eno/enoducks.jpg

A typical Geordie.

"Geordie Racers, Geordie Racers, fly!" (Anyone else remember Look, Read Listen?)

Well if the Magpies are anything to go by...3 sent off in one match? Not only that, but two sent off because they were fighting each other?
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. On the other hand my friend is an avid Magpie so I shouldn't bash too much.

"Geordie Racers, Geordie Racers, fly!" (Anyone else remember Look, Read Listen?)

OMG, I thought was the product of my diseased mind along with Wellaphant and Samarai Pizza Cats since no one I know seems to know about it/them.

http://www.slickvision.co.uk/uploads/chav.gif

^Your typical chav^

http://personal.e-spike.co.uk/towniecars/b7.gif

^your typical chav car^