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I am Jewish (An atheist Jew, but culturally and by birth a Jew etc.).


For example I think you are a jew; a jew that loves his jew-gold


Lacadaemon knows this, exactly what will happen to him for making this comment? I just want to know what the board's stance on racism/anti-Semitism?

Is racism wrong?

Racism, and anti-Semitism are very,very wrong.

However, it is very unlikely anything would happen for four reasons:

1. Creating a nation is very easy. They could just come back (is there IP banning?)

2. There are nations and regions that are openly fascist and admire Hitler/Mussolini.

3. The board has so many posts, topics and members that nothing could be done anyway. No one could react in time.

4. It is open to everyone from virtually anywhere

I am Jewish (An atheist Jew, but culturally and by birth a Jew etc.).

For example I think you are a jew; a jew that loves his jew-gold

Lacadaemon knows this, exactly what will happen to him for making this comment? I just want to know what the board's stance on racism/anti-Semitism?

Is racism wrong?

Yes racism is wrong.

But try putting Lacadaemon back into the context it was written in.

Racism, and anti-Semitism are very,very wrong.

However, it is very unlikely anything would happen for four reasons:

1. Creating a nation is very easy. They could just come back (is there IP banning?)

2. There are nations and regions that are openly fascist and admire Hitler/Mussolini.

3. The board has so many posts, topics and members that nothing could be done anyway. No one could react in time.

4. It is open to everyone from virtually anywhere

Being racist is not against forum rules AFAIK.

Swastikas are banned, but saying Hitler had the right idea isn't.

Yes racism is wrong.

But try putting Lacadaemon back into the context it was written in.

He stated that as his opinion. QED. It was in an irrelevant context anyway.

Being racist is not against forum rules AFAIK.
Swastikas are banned, but saying Hitler had the right idea isn't.

Nope, you can't be banned, unless maybe they felt a post or something was too inflammatory. The regions are more or less free to do whatever, and their private boards couldn't be regulated anyway.

Racism is indeed wrong, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the freedom to express it. I'm speaking, of course, in a general public sense. Not a private forum sense.

He stated that as his opinion. QED. It was in an irrelevant context anyway.

No, he was showing how your use of the word 'chav' was just as offensive as him stating the above.

Racism is indeed wrong, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the freedom to express it. I'm speaking, of course, in a general public sense. Not a private forum sense.

Yes, this freedom is requires, however vile their opinions are. Still, I think if something is over the top, then most people will self regulate.

Nope, you can't be banned, unless maybe they felt a post or something was too inflammatory.
I believe you misread.
He said "swastikas are banned". Which is partially true.
Swastikas are banned in national flags.
The regions are more or less free to do whatever
I don't believe that is true, seeing as I have reported posts in a region to the moderators before, and action has been taken.

I am Jewish (An atheist Jew, but culturally and by birth a Jew etc.).



Lacadaemon knows this, exactly what will happen to him for making this comment? I just want to know what the board's stance on racism/anti-Semitism?

Is racism wrong?

Racism is very wrong.

Anti-Semitism is very wrong.

What Lacadaemon said is a discredit to him and to the NS Forums. It is disgraceful, ignorant, and idiotic.

But, speech -- including repugnant and ignorant speech -- should not be censored.

And what Lacadaemon said is not against Forum rules (IMAO -- I am not a Mod and would not want to be).

Loss of the respect of many other members of the Forum and a vehement criticism of his views are what Lacadaemon should and will receive.

I believe in free speech, but his comments were blatantly flammatory.

I believe in free speech, but his comments were blatantly flammatory.

Just as your comments were.

Well, I'm not the least bit surprised. You can tell if somebody's an ignoramus just by their posting demeanor.

He flamed me quite a few times on that Welfare topic. I've not seen too many people quite as ignorant as he is.

Just as your comments were.

Accurate things are not flammatory. Chav is a socially acceptable term, live with it.

Racism is wrong, but it's a word too easily used nowadays.
I for one, I do not believe in a multicultural society as I see the tensions that exist in my home city where 35 % of the people are foreign and unwilling to assimilate. That they are of a different race, I don't care. That they have another culture, that would be ok, but sometimes some cultures are just not incompatible.
Some call me a racist for wanting that the Turks and North Africans here should adapt to our culture and abandon theirs after 3 or 4 generations, even though I'm not saying that they are inferior because of their race or culture, but just because their culture can not integrate into ours without creating tensions resulting in conflict (which they do already to some extent) in my opinion. Without saying that we are superior, I just say that this territory, this land and this country is a western country with a western culture and a Roman catholic religion and a lot of atheism. A conservative islamistic group just doesn't fit in and then I'd prefer the original culture, to which the land belongs, is the one that should stay.
Is this racism ? I don't think so, many do however.

I don't believe that is true, seeing as I have reported posts in a region to the moderators before, and action has been taken.

Really? I guess they get away with it only on the smaller, more obscure regions.

Back to the original poster, there are many regions specifically for white superiorists and/or neo-Nazis. Views of the sort are perfectly legal here.

Aryan Nations (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/07989/page=display_region/region=aryan_nations)
Vichy France (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/07989/page=display_region/region=vichy_france)
Aryanised Europe (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/07989/page=display_region/region=aryanised_europe)
White Aryan Resistance (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/07989/page=display_region/region=white_aryan_resistance)

And many others, those are just the ones I know of off the top of my head.

Accurate things are not flammatory. Chav is a socially acceptable term, live with it.
So? ****** was a socially accepted term. As were many regarding Jews.

Just because something is socially acceptable does not make it inoffessive or non inflammatory.

If you want to hold others to your values, hold yourself to them too.

What Lacadaemon was funny. Racist but funny. Racism may not be right but if it's not particularly malicious it's okay by me.

I am Jewish (An atheist Jew, but culturally and by birth a Jew etc.).
Oh man, you're definitely guaranteed to get several telegrams from Israel. You should've said "non-practicing." It would've cut down on the spam. But atheist? Ah, I pity your inbox.

Racism is wrong, but it should be completely out in the open. Sweeping these issues under the carpet is what sustains them. If you let racists go around and say what they believe, then very quickly, they'd change. Because when a racist (or person raised in a racist family) were to see a racist and a non-racist debate, and the racist would be obviously ignorant, then they'd be more apt to be non-racist as well.

So, regardless of how sensitive people are, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. Fuck the FCC. And really. Fuck all of it. By censoring things, they maintain their taboo. Put pornography on TV and in a few years, it'll be boring as hell.

So? ****** was a socially accepted term. As were many regarding Jews.

Just because something is socially acceptable does not make it inoffessive or non inflammatory.

If you want to hold others to your values, hold yourself to them too.
Exactly.

By the way, if that German censorship law passes, technically, they could ban Germany from Nationstates for all the nazi groups on here.

Oh man, you're definitely guaranteed to get several telegrams from Israel. You should've said "non-practicing." It would've cut down on the spam. But atheist? Ah, I pity your inbox.

Racism is wrong, but it should be completely out in the open. Sweeping these issues under the carpet is what sustains them. If you let racists go around and say what they believe, then very quickly, they'd change. Because when a racist (or person raised in a racist family) were to see a racist and a non-racist debate, and the racist would be obviously ignorant, then they'd be more apt to be non-racist as well.

So, regardless of how sensitive people are, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. Fuck the FCC. And really. Fuck all of it. By censoring things, they maintain their taboo. Put pornography on TV and in a few years, it'll be boring as hell.
Porn boring?! Say it ain't so!

Exactly.

Chav isn't an offensive term.

So? ****** was a socially accepted term. As were many regarding Jews.

Just because something is socially acceptable does not make it inoffessive or non inflammatory.

If you want to hold others to your values, hold yourself to them too.

Who is offended by the sociological term 'Chav' used to describe people who suck money out of the state and contribute nothing but crime to society?

Porn boring?! Say it ain't so!

Actually, there was (or is?) a class in Sweden on erotica,porn,etc. Aparently, one guy was so jaded by it all that he was reading a soccer magazine during a hardcore film! :confused:

By the way, if that German censorship law passes, technically, they could ban Germany from Nationstates for all the nazi groups on here.
What German censorship law are we talking about?
And why would Germany be banned? Many of the neo-Nazis here are American.

Chav isn't an offensive term.

Who made you the arbitrator of what is and what isn't offensive?

What German censorship law are we talking about?
And why would Germany be banned? Many of the neo-Nazis here are American.
I think he may have got it the wrong way round. That Germany might be able to ban Nationstates

Who made you the arbitrator of what is and what isn't offensive?

No one. Yet Chav, if you actually know what one is, offends only those who deserve to be offended because by definition the Chav has brought his ways upon himself and has chosen to adhere to the rules of his selected subculture. Race, you don't choose. Being a Chav, you do.

Nope, you can't be banned, unless maybe they felt a post or something was too inflammatory. The regions are more or less free to do whatever, and their private boards couldn't be regulated anyway.

actually a member of the region i'm in was deleted after an anti moderator post on our board.

Actually, there was (or is?) a class in Sweden on erotica,porn,etc. Aparently, one guy was so jaded by it all that he was reading a soccer magazine during a hardcore film! :confused:
There is no god!!! Ahhhh!!!!

I think he may have got it the wrong way round. That Germany might be able to ban Nationstates

Most likely. Actually, the rise in anti-Semitism, Nazism, etc. in former East Germany may be due to Plutophobia's quote:

Sweeping these issues under the carpet is what sustains them

And that is what Germany is doing with these laws, so they may in fact worsen the problem rather than reduce it.

Most likely. Actually, the rise in anti-Semitism, Nazism, etc. in former East Germany may be due to Plutophobia's quote:



And that is what Germany is doing with these laws, so they may in fact worsen the problem rather than reduce it.
Censorship laws usually make things worse.

Who is offended by the sociological term 'Chav' used to describe people who suck money out of the state and contribute nothing but crime to society?

[gets in time machine and zips to the past]

Who is offended by the sociological term '******' used to describe people who are lazy, no good bottom feeders who bite the hand of the white man who they rely on but contribute nothing meaningful to society

[/returns to the present]

Oh Lord I apologise!

There is no god!!! Ahhhh!!!!

To say the least... :(

Censorship laws usually make things worse.

They do because repressing anything makes it more atrractive because it gies people a chance to rebel against society. Furthermore, by supressing Nazism they are letting people forget the dangers of the Nazi ideology rather than keeping it in the open for all to see, which is very bad.

Censorship laws usually make things worse.

They do because repressing anything makes it more atrractive because it gies people a chance to rebel against society. Furthermore, by supressing Nazism they are letting people forget the dangers of the Nazi ideology rather than keeping it in the open for all to see, which is very bad.

I am Jewish (An atheist Jew, but culturally and by birth a Jew etc.).



Lacadaemon knows this, exactly what will happen to him for making this comment? I just want to know what the board's stance on racism/anti-Semitism?

Is racism wrong?
I've read some damn good posts by Lacadaemon... did he really post this?

I have a lot of successful "Capitalist Jew-Friends". I have some Socialist ones too, same ancestors.

What the fuck is this supposed to really mean? It makes me feel icky.

I'd just attribute it to a temporary lack of better judgement. Hell, I've posted here cvompletely blacked-out on booze.
He just joins the club. :p

No one.

So you are self appointed then?

Yet Chav, if you actually know what one is, offends only those who deserve to be offended because by definition the Chav has brought his ways upon himself and has chosen to adhere to the rules of his selected subculture.

Fine then. I'll start calling all religious Jews 'Yids.' Since I shall only call the religious Jews this, and include converts to Judaism, I am justified, no?

After all, the can choose their religion, so who cares if they are insulted.

Race, you don't choose.

Race doesn't exist.

Being a Chav, you do.

"Social pressure exerts an influence more deadly then whips and chains"

I'd just attribute it to a temporary lack of better judgement. Hell, I've posted here cvompletely blacked-out on booze.
He just joins the club.

It could be true. If so, he should say so or at least comment. After all, everyone makes mistakes and says stupid things, so if it's a lapse of judgement I wouldn't make anything of it.

I've read some damn good posts by Lacadaemon... did he really post this?

I have a lot of successful "Capitalist Jew-Friends". I have some Socialist ones too, same ancestors.

What the fuck is this supposed to really mean? It makes me feel icky.

I'd just attribute it to a temporary lack of better judgement. Hell, I've posted here cvompletely blacked-out on booze.
He just joins the club. :p

He said it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409821&page=2).

To me it appears that he has been taken taken out of context. But maybe that's just me.

[gets in time machine and zips to the past]

Who is offended by the sociological term '******' used to describe people who are lazy, no good bottom feeders who bite the hand of the white man who they rely on but contribute nothing meaningful to society

[/returns to the present]

Oh Lord I apologise!

You don't choose your race you idiot. You can choose whether you're a violent, malignent little idiot though. Chavs are who they are because they behave as they do, and choose to. No one defends their behaviour, no one claims that they can't help it etc.

Yeah, at this point, I would like to say that I am not an anti-semite, I was just trying to make the point that some people are born what they are: That's all.

In other words - while I do not condone celebrating ignorance- using the term 'chav' , is just as bad as using the words: Paki, ******, fag, darkie &ct,


So grow up biggles.

It could be true. If so, he should say so or at least comment. After all, everyone makes mistakes and says stupid things, so if it's a lapse of judgement I wouldn't make anything of it.
I'd say that there are plenty of anti-semites here on NS. :(

Unfortunately, a lot of them aren't aware of the reasons.

You don't choose your race you idiot.

Flaming helps no one.

Put the whoosh sound was my point going over your head. I wasn't suggesting that one chooses their race. But that socially accepted doesn't equal non offensive or no inflamatory.

You can choose whether you're a violent, malignent little idiot though.

One of the amazing things about Chavs is that they aren't as violent as the media has made them out to be.

It is an attribute that has been trust upon them and since they are left largely without voice, the attribute has stuck. Even though they aren't nearly as violelent as is made out.

Chavs are who they are because they behave as they do,

No, Chavs are who they are because the are believed to behave as people who have little contact with them believe they behave.

I'd say that there are plenty of anti-semites here on NS.
Unfortunately, a lot of them aren't aware of the reasons.

It is sad, I agree :(

DAmn it make the polls open so you can see who the bigots are if their tough enough to vote they should be tough enough to post it!

Yeah, at this point, I would like to say that I am not an anti-semite, I was just trying to make the point that some people are born what they are: That's all.

In other words - while I do not condone celebrating ignorance- using the term 'chav' , is just as bad as using the words: Paki, ******, fag, darkie &ct,


So grow up biggles.

So people can see this.

I just don't like the term chav, that's all: It's offensive. So shut the fuck up.

So people can see this. I just don't like the term chav, that's all: It's offensive. So shut the fuck up.

Thanks for posting your side. Now that I know the full context I can see you are definitely not anti-Semitic.

Still, there is anti-Semitism here, but I don't think Lacaedemon can be counted as such.

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No, Chavs are who they are because the are believed to behave as people who have little contact with them believe they behave.

Thanks.

A lot of my family is called chavs by Biggleses.

Actually, they all have jobs, etc. But they are not part of the british class system, and to this day they get fucked over for it.

I find the whole chav thing, very,very, offensive.

So people can see this.

I just don't like the term chav, that's all: It's offensive. So shut the fuck up.

Is the term redneck offensive? No. Is the term neo-nazi? No.

Describing people as what they are, factually, is not offensive. So shut the fuck up, you anti-Semitic ****.

Thanks for posting your side. Now that I know the full context I can see you are definitely not anti-Semitic.

Still, there is anti-Semitism here, but I don't think Lacaedemon can be counted as such.

The term Chav is non-offensive. It is like calling someone Black, or a neo-nazi. Classifying someone as what they are.

Thanks. A lot of my family is called chavs by Biggleses.
Actually, they all have jobs, etc. But they are not part of the british class system, and to this day they get fucked over for it. I find the whole chav thing, very,very, offensive.

Wow, that's unfortunate. I can see how that would offend you.
I think I can say that terms of any kind that refer to any group can be offensive, and should not be used save in an academic/historical sense.

Racism is wrong yet it's just as bad to censor it.

And now for the uncalled for joke:
For example I think you are a jew; a jew that loves his jew-gold
So then if I follow the Jew to the end of the rainbow I'll get his Yarmukle of Gold? XD

The term Chav is non-offensive. It is like calling someone Black, or a neo-nazi. Classifying someone as what they are.


You mean like a jew that loves his jew-gold?


Really now; it's a stereotype. So STFU: KTHX.

The term Chav is non-offensive. It is like calling someone Black, or a neo-nazi. Classifying someone as what they are.

I was wondering what the origin of the word is. If it is traced back to the origin then it can be determined beyond all doubt if it is perjorative or not.

DAmn it make the polls open so you can see who the bigots are if their tough enough to vote they should be tough enough to post it!
Exactly what I was hoping for, but I don't think you can turn the ship around midcourse.

I was wondering what the origin of the word is. If it is traced back to the origin then it can be determined beyond all doubt if it is perjorative or not.

It is a word used to describe a highly-criminalised subculture within society. It's a group of people who are very violent and are more often than not (as Laco demonstrates) bigoted. They refuse to learn, they usually drop out of school and they dress and behave in an anti-social manner. It is their choice.

Is the term redneck offensive? No. Is the term neo-nazi? No.

Neo-Nazi is different. Redneck, even though I don't know any, I don't think I would one that if I met one.

Describing people as what they are, factually, is not offensive.

So ****** is not offensive then?

I mean, it is what they are. It doesn't matter if they cannot help it. Since I am describing as what they are, factually. It cannot be offensive. Not by your standards anyway.

So shut the fuck up, you anti-Semitic ****.

I somehow doubt the Lac is a ****. I'm sure it is physiologically impossible for a **** to eat, drink breath, access the internet etc. So therefore, according to your standards. The above is offensive. A fact that I am sure we can all agree on.

Exactly what I was hoping for, but I don't think you can turn the ship around midcourse.

Well, at least it's 48 to 14. Still, that seems like a very big percentage.

Wow, that's unfortunate. I can see how that would offend you.
I think I can say that terms of any kind that refer to any group can be offensive, and should not be used save in an academic/historical sense.

Chav is used in an academic sense. That's where the word came from, a sociologist in the town of Chavingstoke (sp?).

Thanks.

A lot of my family is called chavs by Biggleses.

Actually, they all have jobs, etc. But they are not part of the british class system, and to this day they get fucked over for it.

I find the whole chav thing, very,very, offensive.

Well you know what they say, politics make strange bed fellows.

Who is offended by the sociological term 'Chav' used to describe people who suck money out of the state and contribute nothing but crime to society?


Sounds like you are describing a Democrat in the states.

Chav is used in an academic sense. That's where the word came from, a sociologist in the town of Chavingstoke (sp?).

Didn't know that. Still, someone should have a public poll to see if it is acceptable or not. I think that might help settle it.

Sounds like you are describing a Democrat in the states.

*sigh*

That took a bit longer than usual...

*sigh*
That took a bit longer than usual...

I would have exepected page 2 or 3, no more.

Is the term redneck offensive? No. Is the term neo-nazi? No.

Describing people as what they are, factually, is not offensive. So shut the fuck up, you anti-Semitic ****.

Yeah, douche, redneck is offensive. Many of those people you call redneck fought in the Civil War for the North, and are morally opposed to slavery &ct.

But you wouldn't know that, because you know jack shit about everything north of London or indeed most of the world.

In fact, the majority of the deaths in the civil war - on the northern side- were from soldiers south of the mason dixon line.

But you use redneck to describe someone who is necessarily racist. Well piss on their graves why don't you! Is it because they didn't give you any jew-gold? Is that it?

So STFU. KTHX>

I would have exepected page 2 or 3, no more.

Yeah. I mean, the quality of trolling has really gone down-hill in the past few weeks.

Thanks for posting your side. Now that I know the full context I can see you are definitely not anti-Semitic.

Still, there is anti-Semitism here, but I don't think Lacaedemon can be counted as such.
I've been told I'm a better-than-average judge of people, and:

Like I said, he's NOT a real anti-semite. Probably quite the opposite.
Just bad choice of words-- Happens to the best of us. :)

How is racism wrong? People are genetically superior compared to other people, that is if you are an evelutionist. Is it wrong because society deems it wrong because that is the only reason I found?

I somehow doubt the Lac is a ****. I'm sure it is physiologically impossible for a **** to eat, drink breath, access the internet etc. So therefore, according to your standards. The above is offensive. A fact that I am sure we can all agree on.

I would say his presence on the board is evidence to the contrary. He wasn't joking, and you know it. You've just got issues with me for irrelevant reasons that have nothing to do with this thread.

I've been told I'm a better-than-average judge of people, and:

Like I said, he's NOT a real anti-semite. Probably quite the opposite.
Just bad choice of words-- Happens to the best of us. :)

So he's not an Anti-Semite. However, that doesn't prevent him from being closed-minded and ignorant about other things.

It is a word used to describe a highly-criminalised subculture within society.

Have you ever met a 'chav?' I mean actually properly met one. Not passed one in the street once or anything. But actually talked to one?

Do you have any experience of them beyond media hysteria and the shit tinted glasses that they (and I assume you) look at them with?

It's a group of people who are very violent and are more often than not (as Laco demonstrates) bigoted.

Even according to you definition, this is offensive

They refuse to learn, they usually drop out of school and they dress and behave in an anti-social manner. It is their choice.
Some one needs a hug :fluffle:

Now look what you've made me do. I really tried hard to use that fluffle thingy.

kikes + chinks + niggers = gooks

Yeah, douche, redneck is offensive. Many of those people you call redneck fought in the Civil War for the North, and are morally opposed to slavery &ct.

But you wouldn't know that, because you know jack shit about everything north of London or indeed most of the world.

In fact, the majority of the deaths in the civil war - on the northern side- were from soldiers south of the mason dixon line.

But you use redneck to describe someone who is necessarily racist. Well piss on their graves why don't you! Is it because they didn't give you any jew-gold? Is that it?

So STFU. KTHX>

What a worthless thread.


The only thing less tolerable than somone whining about antisemitism is somone whining about anti-chavism??

It doesnt matter if stupid people are offended by being called stupid.

Whether the word you choose to use to describe stupid people is "chav" or "white trash" or "hick" or "wigger" is not imporant. People have no right 'not to be offended.'

How is racism wrong? People are genetically superior compared to other people, that is if you are an evelutionist. Is it wrong because society deems it wrong because that is the only reason I found?

Actually, evolutionary racism and social Darwinism were more corruptions of evolution rather than evolution itself. No race has inherent physical or mental advantages over another, so any evolution in humans would occur regardless of race because mutations are random.

Accurate things are not flammatory. Chav is a socially acceptable term, live with it.
Accurate things most certainly can be inflammatory, and I just closed your prior thread as a cultural flamebait. I don't have any context for Chav (being non-British, I've never heard the term before), but your invitation to post other flamebait lead me to beleive that it's more of the same.

All opinions are welcome on these forums, as long as they conform themselves to posted rules of civil discussion. Declaring "all 'X' are lazy, shiftless motherfuckers" may be an accurate reflection of your opinion, but it is most surely not allowed.

Having reviewed a few more posts in this thread, I see it too is headed in the same direction. Biggleses, Lacadaemon, both of you knock it off, now. I'm locking this one too. Don't start another.

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