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The state of Pennsylvania has seen a massive increase of automatic weapons related deaths. In my home town of pittsburgh a 17 yr old kid shot another with an AK-47 in front of thier high school, and there have been 5 AK drive-by related deaths on the past couple of weeks. The small town of York, PA, basically farm land, has had 6 shootings in 5 days. Eire, PA, has had multiple shootings as well. And news from Philadelphia is massive gun violence. Well, before the automatic weapons ban lifted there were 2 automatic weapons deaths in Pittsburgh. Now there has been 6 in less than a month. My next door neighbor is a pittsburgh policeman and he says all the cops are very nervous now going on drug busts and patrolling the poorer sections. So for those of you who believe the automatic weapons ban was a meaningless piece of paper are dead wrong. Obviously it was hard for street kids to get automatic weapons because now that they have their hands on them they're using them to their full extent.

Holy shit, six from automatics in less than a month? Something definitely needs to be done about this...

Wasn't there just a huge gun show in Philadelphia? My brother was telling me there was one not to long ago, he said he went there and was amazed by all the people selling Nazi propoganda and selling cheap guns which casued a massive rash of shootings the following week.

They were most likely AKS or AK-74 semi-auto variants, not fully automatic assault rifles. Those have been illegal in the USA since the 30's.

I don't think fully automatic weaopns are illegal, but those guys would never get the permit needed to own one.

First: How much should I have to pay for one (and where do I get it [/badjoke])
Seriously, where do this people get them?. (you said something about poor?)

Second: This is horrible. Is there a plan to stop this?

They were most likely AKS or AK-74 semi-auto variants, not fully automatic assault rifles. Those have been illegal in the USA since the 30's.


No, it was fully automatic and he had it on him when they arrested him. He put a full clip into the kids car while he was waiting for his friends last class to get out, he hit another stand-by in the groin as well.

I don't think fully automatic weaopns are illegal, but those guys would never get the permit needed to own one.


They are illegal without an extremely expensive permit and a yearly renewal fee. Those permits are almost impossible to get.

Wasn't there just a huge gun show in Philadelphia? My brother was telling me there was one not to long ago, he said he went there and was amazed by all the people selling Nazi propoganda and selling cheap guns which casued a massive rash of shootings the following week.

What do you expect, it was Philly? As to cheap guns causing shootings, most guns available there were probably more expensive than those on the street.

Wasn't there just a huge gun show in Philadelphia? My brother was telling me there was one not to long ago, he said he went there and was amazed by all the people selling Nazi propoganda and selling cheap guns which casued a massive rash of shootings the following week.

That's what caused all the shootings in Phillie. They found a man who had spent 100,000s of dollars who could legally purchase the automatics. He then drove them down the street and sold them to the gangs for drugs and cash.

No, it was fully automatic and he had it on him when they arrested him. He put a full clip into the kids car while he was waiting for his friends last class to get out, he hit another stand-by in the groin as well.


I doubt it, a fully automatic AK couldn't penetrate a car without using wildcat rounds, a semi couldn't do it either. A 7.62x51 mm bullet is not very powerful in comparison to a .308 win. mag., or a 30-06 which is about the smallest you could use to penetrate a car door.

That's what caused all the shootings in Phillie. They found a man who had spent 100,000s of dollars who could legally purchase the automatics. He then drove them down the street and sold them to the gangs for drugs and cash.


That is highly unlikely, since anyone who would do that would doubtless have a criminal record meaning he'd never get the permit.

That is highly unlikely, since anyone who would do that would doubtless have a criminal record meaning he'd never get the permit.

No, it is not unlikely. it's called straw purchasing and happens all the time. In pittsburgh herion addicted suburanites with no record buy them legally and bring them to the city. I'm sure that's what happened in Philly as well.

1st story (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05076/472759.stm)

Arrest story (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05078/474148.stm)


here are the stories regarding the high school shooting for those of you that wish to read it. The other man they arrested a few days ago nwas found with the weapon on him.

The right to own assault weapons decreases crime and I have statistics comparing crime rates of inner cities to rural farmland as proof. :rolleyes:

No, it is not unlikely. it's called straw purchasing and happens all the time. In pittsburgh herion addicted suburanites with no record buy them legally and bring them to the city. I'm sure that's what happened in Philly as well.


Every time he gets a gun there is a likelyhood that someone will take interest in him from the government. If he bought 100000 dollars worth of automatics, the cops would be investigating him, for possible terrorist activity, patriot act lets them do that you know.

Every time he gets a gun there is a likelyhood that someone will take interest in him from the government. If he bought 100000 dollars worth of automatics, the cops would be investigating him, for possible terrorist activity, patriot act lets them do that you know.

What CAN and ARE done are entirely different things.

And as for the statistics man earlier, how can you defend Pittsburgh''s recent statictics? Before weapon ban lift 2 automatic related deaths. After 6 in a month's time. There goes your statistics.

Didn't know this one of me rights! I'd love to own summone from Arkansas!

If they were fully automatic, this has nothing to do with gun laws. Automatics are illegal for civilians, there is little or no way to get these except illegally.

Anyways, this is an isolated area. Most areas show that looser gun laws bring less crime. Also, the 1994 laws were useless. The things prohibited were mostly visual things, few actually had to do with the capability of the weapon.One could buy an sks legally, and buy the parts to modify it into a gun with a ak-magazine accepting, folding stock sks, which basically is as good, or possibly better than an AK. But, an AK looks scarier, so they banned things that are traits that it has.

If someone didn't do a drive-by with an AK, they could do it with a handgun. Someone could be sniped with a hunting rifle with a scope.

If they were fully automatic, this has nothing to do with gun laws. Automatics are illegal for civilians, there is little or no way to get these except illegally.
Can't you get conversion gets fairly easily to make them fully automatic?

Can't you get conversion gets fairly easily to make them fully automatic?

It depends on the gun. AK's, as far as I know, you cant.

Holy shit, six from automatics in less than a month? Something definitely needs to be done about this...


Lets ban cars too. How many needless deaths were caused by cars in the same time period?

I doubt it, a fully automatic AK couldn't penetrate a car without using wildcat rounds, a semi couldn't do it either. A 7.62x51 mm bullet is not very powerful in comparison to a .308 win. mag., or a 30-06 which is about the smallest you could use to penetrate a car door.

Unless you're talking about an armored car, an AK round (which is 7.62x39, not 7.62x51) will go through a car like a hot knife through butter. Unless it hits the engine block or something like that, of course.

Cars are typically made of steel plates that are something like 0.8 mm thick. Standard lead core FMJ 7.62x39 penetrates steel plates about 1.5 cm thick IIRC, that is, plates which are almost 20 times as thick as car body panels.

The state of Pennsylvania has seen a massive increase of automatic weapons related deaths. In my home town of pittsburgh a 17 yr old kid shot another with an AK-47 in front of thier high school, and there have been 5 AK drive-by related deaths on the past couple of weeks. The small town of York, PA, basically farm land, has had 6 shootings in 5 days. Eire, PA, has had multiple shootings as well. And news from Philadelphia is massive gun violence. Well, before the automatic weapons ban lifted there were 2 automatic weapons deaths in Pittsburgh. Now there has been 6 in less than a month. My next door neighbor is a pittsburgh policeman and he says all the cops are very nervous now going on drug busts and patrolling the poorer sections. So for those of you who believe the automatic weapons ban was a meaningless piece of paper are dead wrong. Obviously it was hard for street kids to get automatic weapons because now that they have their hands on them they're using them to their full extent.

This shows your ignorance to AK-47's. First off, AK's made in the US are SEMI-auto. Meaning one has to squeeze the trigger after every shot to fire another. Second, to get a full auto AK, one needs to make mods for a full auto AK. These Mods are legally supposed to only be availible for a FFL lisenced individual. Hence, illegal for your everyday joe's. Now, if these AK's were full auto, these individuals have a illegal weapon from the get go. Last time I checked a FFL lisence was a federal requirement, not something a state or city could tamper with. If I am mistaken on the law then please call me on it.

Wow, weird title, I tought it was full of spelling mistakes, but apparently it isn't.

I doubt it, a fully automatic AK couldn't penetrate a car without using wildcat rounds, a semi couldn't do it either. A 7.62x51 mm bullet is not very powerful in comparison to a .308 win. mag., or a 30-06 which is about the smallest you could use to penetrate a car door.

Old AK series automatics use the russian 7.62x39mm. Less recoil allows for more accurate full auto fire than if they used full-length rifle rounds. I recall that was a big problem with the MP44, 'cos it took 7.92x54mm. I think it was x54...Can't remember exact.

Edit: Oh. Someone else has already said this. Should've read the whole thread first...

None of the above are applicable to me. I'd like one for protection, but a handgun would be a much wiser choice. I want to be able to own whatever I want to own, though, unless it can cause destruction on a WMD scale. If I were a US citizen, I could argue constitution, but I'm not. So, all I can say is, 'I feel it's my right as a Human'.