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Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?
No, they're atheist Conservatives.

How can there be government corruption if there is no government?

What? He said capital L Libertarian. I suppose I'd just better shut up then :)

YESSSSS!!!!

Balance.

Now all we need is about 10 more parties, so we can fill the front page.

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?
Oh boy. I feel a sticky comin' on about "hypocrisy" threads!

No, they're atheist Conservatives.
If by "conservative", you mean "in favor of legalizing drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and gambling"... well, then I'm with you Pluto! :p

your a sinner. SINNER!!

Only conservatism and a police dictaor theocracy can save us from eternal damnation.mah quianza.

mah jesus.

spell....good??

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

What does kill the children, only makes them stronger.

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Because all liberals are commies.

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

Who better to lead a nation than Goofy's dog?

(I may have stretched a little to far for that one.)

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

We need to use them up now, so our descendents don't have the opportunity to waste them.

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?

No, we are really conservatives who aggressively hate communists.

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

An economic system is not a person. Your second point is just ludicrous and emotion-tugging. Capitalism does not automatically equal mass amounts of poor.

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Why would we like someone more authoritarian than us? Why should we like the same liberalism that promotes Political Correctness (censorship), affirmative action (reverse discrimination), maniac environmental protection (ie, the Green Party) among a wild amount of other beliefs?

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

Republicans also practice corporate welfare. Libertarians are AGAINST corporate welfare.

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

Not neccessarily - it allows the free market to discover environmental solutions. When gas prices start skyrocketing, etc then there's a chance that people will buy ELECTRIC.

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?

Yes. It's called "classical liberalism." You stole liberal from us. :(

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

Because we believe in personal freedom and personal responsibility. If you screw up, you pay for it. If you screw up, your kids pay for it. Sucks to be them, but it's your mess to clean up, not your neighbor's.

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Because we agree with social liberalism, but recognize economic constraints as the vile, economy-murdering, twisted, unfair system it is.

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

What government? How can there be governmental corruption when the government only exists for two or three things? It's possible, yes; far less possible than the current system.

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

And also that if you have been affected by environmental damage that you can sue whoever did the damage. And also, what's wrong with using natural resources? Are they there just to tempt us or something?

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?

No, we're the closest you'll ever find to a combination of idealim and realism.

Libertarians are conservatives who want to legalize pot and gay marriage.

How can there be government corruption if there is no government?

What? He said capital L Libertarian. I suppose I'd just better shut up then :)
How can there be a civilised society without some form of government?

How can there be a civilised society without some form of government?

Define civlization. And no, the game doesn't count. ;)

How can there be a civilised society without some form of government?
State your definitions. Namely, 'civilised'

This is just my first reaction, but I haven't seen anything you've said so far that actually makes libertarianism seem hypocritical, per se. Nevertheless, I shall try to answer your questions.

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?
--I personally support a huge increase in the estate tax - one that will help to copmensate the fast decreases in income and similar taxes - that will have the effect of preventing inheritance that leads to people becoming wealthy without effort. I think that the only really necessarry restriction on capitalism is the insurance that people begin their attempt at success with no advantage. After that point, you can screw up and it won't be me who helps you.

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?
--I don't hate liberals. Also, I think amoral is the perfect way of putting me. Rather than being immoral, I am amoral. I don't believe in holding people responsible for acting morally as long as they don't harm anyone else. Basically, I dislike liberal policies because the typical liberal wants to spend my money for me.

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?
--I don't agree with your premise.

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?
--Yes, my beliefs would allow businesses the world over to 'such' the world dry of natural resources. However, I would note that the American government is an incredibly huge, basically inert and horribly inefficient blob of bureaucracy, and shrinking and reorganizing it will save billions in paper alone.

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?
--No.

YESSSSS!!!!

Balance.

Now all we need is about 10 more parties, so we can fill the front page.
Top Ten independent political parties we'd like to see:

10. The Crack Party... We're split down the middle.

9. The Mouth Party... And you're invited to cum.

9. The Gay/NRA Party... We're here, we're queer. YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?

7. The Pity Party... C'mon, we never win anything. Vote for us once, will ya?

6. The Private Party... No comment.

5. The Cocktail Party... Cock and Tail - does it get any better than this?

4. The Search Party... Looking for members.

3. The Keg Party... Dude, we could so totally run the country.

2. Non-partisan party... We believe in what you believe in.

And the number 1 independent political party we'd like to see:

1. The Beaver Party... Oh, forget it - we've already got Bush.

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My apologies to whomever first bothered to post this, if this isn't the context they intended .... ;)

What does kill the children, only makes them stronger.



Because all liberals are commies.



Who better to lead a nation than Goofy's dog?

(I may have stretched a little to far for that one.)



We need to use them up now, so our descendents don't have the opportunity to waste them.



No, we are really conservatives who aggressively hate communists.
LOL

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?


I'm, ah, failing to see any actual hypocrisy in here...maybe some things you view as undesirable, but no actual hypocrisy...

Why are you all for freedom of every individual provided they harm no one else yet support an economic system that inevitably results in terrible inequality where children have to grow up in derelict households?

Every economic system results in some measure of 'terrible inequality' and yes, there's lots of 'derelict households' out there too. In a country like ours, conditions such as these will exist no matter what you do. We're of the opinion that our system hurts these people less by at least offering the opportunity for advancement. You have any idea how hard it is to support yourself on $600 a month? Imagine if you got more.

Why do you hate liberals when it is clear that you yourselves are more permissive, liberal and amoral than anyone else?

More amoral than anyone else? Excuse me? When did we cart religious minorities to death camps? When did we have a revolution and murder folks in the streets?

Why do you believe your system prevents governmetn courruption when it is clear that the Republicans' softly softly approach to private business is resulting in the US turning into a plutocracy?

First: I'll never claim that our system 'prevents government corruption,' merely that it makes its power over the public less pervasive, making said corruption less of a strain on the country's resources and such. Secondly, many of us [myself included] do not appreciate the present Republican party platform. The thing many liberals fail to remember is that big business and big government are very much in cahoots. All those subsidies have to go somewhere.

What are your views on the environment? Wouldn't your stance on free trade mean that businesse will be allowed to such the world dry of natural resources?

I don't give a good god damn about the environment. Every generation before me has passed the buck: so if ours wants to try and fix it, fine, but not on my dime.

Are you really liberals who simply can't deal with the stigma attatched to being labelled as such?

Libertarians aren't accurately gagued on the Conservative/Liberal scale. We're fiscally conservative, but we're also social liberals to a certain extent. Every time I use it I become less and less comfortable with the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative," as they make assumptions about the subject's beliefs that may not be true. bush is called a conservative, but he's the most fiscally liberal president we've ever had. Clinton was supposedly a 'big government liberal' but the federal government under him is much smaller than it is now.

Top Ten independent political parties we'd like to see:


That's good stuff. :D

I'm, ah, failing to see any actual hypocrisy in here...maybe some things you view as undesirable, but no actual hypocrisy...
Exactly why I didn't offer a lengthy response.

Apparently, these same people who'd define these political positions as "hypocritical", probably think that Allanis Morrisette song is "ironic".
:rolleyes:

Exactly why I didn't offer a lengthy response.

Apparently, these same people who'd define these political positions as "hypocritical", probably think that Allanis Morrisette song is "ironic".
:rolleyes:
Perhaps one of the greatest comparisons ever :D