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Why do conservatives constantly attack liberals?

Why do you hate us?

Why are there so many religious extremists on your side if you don't like religious extremeists from other countries?

Why can't we be friends?

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:rolleyes: For the same reason liberals attack conservatives.

For some reason I think people who attack other people are idiots.

I know I know I know, because its how everyone is taught when it comes to the general masses. People are mainly liberal or conservative because they were either raised that way, or someone they admire is that way. They fit into the crowd rather then make their own choices. Granted, not all are this way, but a good chunk of the masses is that way, and when the masses get that way, the few 'leaders' get their heels in there and stur them up. Thus the fighting.

Myself, my politics are mainly based on observation and history. My step-father is a Republican, and my mother was an Independent [though she recently registered as a Republican to show her support for President Bush].

That's why they're such a mess. I'm a socialist and a libertarian at the same time. WTF, huh? I'm more of a pragmatist than anything else.

As for why conservatives attack liberals and liberals attack conservatives, well.. because they have nothing better to do. Draft 'em all, I always say!

The reason why conservatives are always attacking liberals (and much to my dismay) visa versa is because it is what people learn to do towards people that don't agree with them in our culture. Ever since the dawn of America we have solved everything with fighting and polarizing, god bless america eh? I am basically a socialist/communist (though I'm not atheist and I'm anti-revolutionary war) but I believe that much of our problems as a culture ~please note: we have many more than most "modern" and up-to-date cultures~ are caused by the fact that people aren't truly informed and when are offered the chance to be informed they actually refuse it because they hate being wrong or losing that much. It says in a patriotic song in a america there "is never a boast or a brag" but in reality it is our "american pride" which causes us to be world terrorists and enforce our "better" way of life on everyone else. :fluffle:

you attack them just as much as they attack you :-/

Because that's what Nationstaters like to do...start uninspired pseudo-intellectual political/religious/social/cultural debates.

Because that's what Nationstaters like to do...start uninspired pseudo-intellectual political/religious/social/cultural debates.Agh! I have been exposed!

I'm melting! I'm meltiiiiiiiing!

Agh! I have been exposed!

I'm melting! I'm meltiiiiiiiing!

You're an idiot for melting. Only people with your distored views on life melt.

Don't destroy the lovely Nationstates boards with your melting babble.

;)

No one I know hates liberals, we just like to keep them in their place, nice and comfortable under our collective boot. Whenever they get free they just make fools of themselves anyway, so it's for the common good.

People argue to convince the other people of their view.

People argue to convince the other people of their view.

No - that's debating. The arguing that people do here is meant to convince themselves they are right/better than the other. Which leads to not really listening to the others point of view.

Why do conservatives constantly attack liberals?
I think the fact that you started a Thread attacking Conservatives for attacking Liberals says a little something, doesn't it?

Why do you hate us?
When did I say I ever "hated you"? I'm sorry if you have gotten that impression from anything I have said in these Forums. Although I may have, at times, expressed a great dissatisfaction with some of the things Liberals espouse now and again, but I am pretty sure I have never said I hated anyone.

Why are there so many religious extremists on your side if you don't like religious extremeists from other countries?
Are there that many? Cause if I see em' I confront em'! And I don’t see all that many, to be honest.

Maybe if people from other Countries confronted "their own" extremists we wouldn't have to "help them" do it!?!?

Why can't we be friends?
I don't see why not... But if we are, can we understand one thing, "between friends"...

I am quite capable of speaking for myself, so I would appreciate it if you didn't try "telling me" what I think so you can have something to argue with, much like the first post in this Thread tries to do with all Conservatives, ok?

Thanks, much appreciated...

Your Friend,
Gaar

People argue to convince the other people of their view.
I prefer to say that...

People have a discussion more to convince "others listening" and not so much "each other". That is why they prefer to have "Public" Debates... :D

So in that regard, it is best to state your position as clearly and concisely as possible, so there is little chance that anyone doesn't understand your position.

Regards,
Gaar

The problems with all the bashing performed by each side, mostly without a care for logic on either side, are indicative of the culture in which we live. Even the fact that we are seen as having "sides" is, in fact, a generalization we have been conditioned to believe. I will attempt to work backwards from the influences of our culture to more accurately describe the happenings.

According to historical sources, the largest guiding influence in the eventual formation of the Hebrew religion (which in turn became the other two main religions of the "Western" nations, Christianity and Islam) was the enslavement of the Jewish state by the Babylonians. The Babylonians, having a religion and culture colored by Zoroastrianism, rubbed off on the Hebrews, creating a dicotemy between "Good" and "Evil" as one of the main tenents of the Hebrew faith in post-Babylonian years.

Zoroastrianism, as a side note, is being used here as a word to describe a type of religion which believes in the existance of a supreme "Good" and a supreme "Evil" are locked in a war over existance, and as a result to this postulate, that it is each person's duty to side with "Good" that they might be rewarded either in the current world or the next. This concept, created by the prophet Zoroaster and first effectively used by the Assyrians to justify enslaving and butchering entire races of people, allows for all "Good" deads to be handed down as an edict by a powerful supreme being or often a human avatar of his power. With the Supreme Being having declaired what is "Good", even actions that would be rationally reprehensible become logical and reasonable because they are being used to save the world from "Evil".

With this as the primary aspect of the major religions of the "Western" World, the foundation of early judicial codes, social heirarcys, philosophy, and everyday interactions, it is no wonder that in "Western" societies the principle of Zoroastrianism is deeply ingrained in any and every subculture. From videogames (You v. the badguys) to movies (Hero v. badguys) to business (our product v. their product) to sports (Us v. Them) to internal politics (Republican v. Democract) to international politics ("Western" v. "Eastern") to interactions between addolecents (cool v. nerd); everywhere one looks, one can only see the world through one mindset. Black verses White, Good verses Evil, Us verses Them, Me verses You.

The problem with this approach is it leads to divisions within the country. If asked, it is likely very few people in this country would support wholeheartedly everything George W. Bush does (if asked to support it before he gave his oppinion. Have to have a control in here somewhere.) and most likely the same number (very few) would have supported wholeheartedly anything John F. Kerry would have done (again, if asked to support it before he weighed in). However, the identity these people have with each side (Republican/Democrat) will cause them to view the other as "wrong" or "Evil" and their own side "right" or "Good" even if before hearing the oppinion, they would have believed quite the opposite.

Thus, the underlying problem. People aren't "Democratic" or "Republican" any more than they like esparagus or hate the same. It's not an "either/or" question; one cannot be "Liberal" or "Conservative" as one would not have the same exact opinion as every other, or even one other person. Instead of looking at the issue from a Zoroastrian view, one should try to balence the retoric and "either/or" speak.

As is often shown in the Nationstates issues, there is often more than 2 ways to go about a problem, and given enough options, everyone would disagree on the appropriate solutions. Therefor I contend that the Zoroastrian view of the universe is incorrect; that grouping people, while convienient, is ultimately a restriction in that it confuses the issue. This being that the group is made up of individuals who do not all think exactly the same way.

(If any errors are found in my historical accuracy and/or logical reasoning, I appoligize as I was forced to do this in a rush and was not able to do sufficient research. Instead I relied mostly on memory for order of occurance. Corrections are appreciated.)

[Summary]The reason for the divisions in the "Western" Culture in general and the USA in particular result from the pervading cultural identity with polarization. This identity is brought about through a reliance on Zoroastrian Philosophy, introduced early into the culture by the three Abramic Religions. The conclusion is that there are an infinate number of possible oppionions a person can have, and that lumping them into two groups, while convient, is inherently an incorrect judgement.

I think the fact that you started a Thread attacking Conservatives for attacking Liberals says a little something, doesn't it?

I agree he could have worded it much better.

When did I say I ever "hated you"? I'm sorry if you have gotten that impression from anything I have said in these Forums. Although I may have, at times, expressed a great dissatisfaction with some of the things Liberals espouse now and again, but I am pretty sure I have never said I hated anyone.

Sure you haven't. Unfortunately there are people out there who see "I disagree with you" as an attack. Liberals AND conservatives.

Are there that many? Cause if I see em' I confront em'! And I don’t see all that many, to be honest.

I think they're just very vocal.

Maybe if people from other Countries confronted "their own" extremists we wouldn't have to "help them" do it!?!?

Well to be honest, different countries may have different ideas on what an extremist is. But thats neither here or now.

I don't see why not...

Your Friend,
Gaar

Because some people prefer to act like a victim instead of as a friend?

There are many, many more Bush bashing threads on this board than any other type of thread.

For some reason I think people who attack other people are idiots.
I can't tell if the humour was on purpose or inadvertant, but that was funny.
:D

The reason why conservatives are always attacking liberals (and much to my dismay) visa versa is because it is what people learn to do towards people that don't agree with them in our culture. Ever since the dawn of America we have solved everything with fighting and polarizing, god bless america eh? I am basically a socialist/communist (though I'm not atheist and I'm anti-revolutionary war) but I believe that much of our problems as a culture ~please note: we have many more than most "modern" and up-to-date cultures~ are caused by the fact that people aren't truly informed and when are offered the chance to be informed they actually refuse it because they hate being wrong or losing that much. It says in a patriotic song in a america there "is never a boast or a brag" but in reality it is our "american pride" which causes us to be world terrorists and enforce our "better" way of life on everyone else. :fluffle:
Attack politics are just a more vehement form of discussion. An attempt to discredit your opponents, make them look less capable of rational decisions and the like. Both sides do it, and there is [u]nothing[/] wrong with that. It's an appropriate part of political discourse.

who attacks who is irrelavent.
When you get right down to it
one attacking another's idiology is an ego thing.

Because that's what Nationstaters like to do...start uninspired pseudo-intellectual political/religious/social/cultural debates.


Do not lump us all into the same category as yourself, you might just find a true intellectual willing to kick your ass up around your ears for it.

Attack politics are just a more vehement form of discussion. An attempt to discredit your opponents, make them look less capable of rational decisions and the like. Both sides do it, and there is [u]nothing[/] wrong with that. It's an appropriate part of political discourse.
Ahhh, but here we disagree...

While it is all well and good to "attack" a person’s reasoning for their "opinion" it is NOT a relevant discussion point to attack the person their self, for holding the view they do. If you wish to have a discussion, have it on the merits of the disagreement not on their being an "Idiot" for something you won't even address.

Just because you and I hold differing values and therefore have different opinions on different Issues doesn't make either of us right or wrong, just different, right?

Regards,
Gaar

Ahhh, but here we disagree...

While it is all well and good to "attack" a person’s reasoning for their "opinion" it is NOT a relevant discussion point to attack the person their self, for holding the view they do. If you wish to have a discussion, have it on the merits of the disagreement not on their being an "Idiot" for something you won't even address.

Just because you and I hold differing values and therefore have different opinions on different Issues doesn't make either of us right or wrong, just different, right?

Regards,
Gaar
I don't think that he was referring to personal attacks, more like a "tone".
Agressive debate is an excellent way to more closely examine your opponents "parts", and identify their weak/strong "parts".

I think everyone's a bit more honest when they're a tad pissed off.

Also, it's funny to watch the Nanny-Staters drop their own PC BS, and tell it like they really mean it for a change! :D

There are no liberals and conservatives!

Red is blue, blue is red!
:headbang:

Because everybody's an idiot.

Why do conservatives constantly attack liberals?

Why do you hate us?

Why are there so many religious extremists on your side if you don't like religious extremeists from other countries?

Why can't we be friends?


This forum is generally populated with threads that are anti-conservative. Currently the minority conservative population of this forum has been making some noise/some threads and blasting the liberals. Boo hoo...

As far as the world in general. Fundamental disagreements about human nature, the nature and purpose of government tend to create a difference that leads to friction. I should also note that it has been my experience that the conservative side does not hate liberals, but that the liberal side has no trouble using the word hate when discussing conservatives.