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Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.

Oh god, another one with the "bandwagon" theory...

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.

sweets- you'll develope a thick skin soon. Welcome to NS :) .....where theres something for EVERYONE!

I bet that once people read your post, they'll realize they don't have the proper facts and stop.

I bet that once people read your post, they'll realize they don't have the proper facts and stop.
Good one. ;) April Fools!

I'm certainly not anti-conservative...then again, my mom is an arch-conservative so for all I know I might just be desensitized to it :p

Can people here please stop making baseless attacks?
If they have no base, then who does the base are belong to? Us? :D

Wow, I was just about to make a thread about how much America sucks, but because of this thread I'm not going to anymore. In fact, I'm now going to change all my views and join the destiny church. Only Bishop Tamaki can save me!






*destiny church and brian tamaki reference may be lost on some readers.

destiny church and brian tamaki reference may be lost on some readers.

What is the Destiny Church? It sounds like a Barbie accessory - New Nun Barbie, comb her hair as she prays for your soul. Is it pink?

Might this be due to the fact that Nationstates is a) international and b) based on a UK domain? Did it escape your limited horizon of perception that the majority of mankind seems to be disgusted by the US since the Iraq attack coupled with various international law breaches and breaches of Human rights?

Might it furthermore have ocurred to you that the government system in the US is generally seen as a) corrupt b) anti-human c) dangerous d) reckless e) backwards and outdated?

If you can't deal with the fact that here people do not brownnose every American, then this is too bad for you. Here, we have almost unlimited free speech. Something which I doubt still exists in this form in the US. :rolleyes:

Yes, welcome to NS.
If you want to hear American citizens jerking off over their reflection and going on about how amazing they are, go back to your other forums and shove your head back into the ground.
If you want to hear about how the rest of the world views the U.S. Empire and discusses (haha) religion instead of preaching to the converted, then read and participate in NS with an open mind.

For a global superpower, America and its citizens sure do hate hearing anything from or about the rest of the world that they effect so greatly.

anti-religion?... Jesus,
Tee Hee...
I know it means nothing, but it just screamed to be isolated and posted.

Tee Hee...
I know it means nothing, but it just screamed to be isolated and posted.
Haha, I thought that too!
Don't you love how Peech manages to even say "get over it" in a nice way? She's brilliant, lol.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.

If almost everyone here were anti-american, anti-conservative and anti-religion those threads wouldnt be very popular. When everyone agrees, it generally makes for boring discussion. I think the reason that side is louder is because most of the less mature people on this forum have such views. They are louder and tend to argue more.

Haha, I thought that too!
Don't you love how Peech manages to even say "get over it" in a nice way? She's brilliant, lol.
Haha, indeed she does.

Oh god, another one with the "bandwagon" theory...

It's not so much a theory as a fact stated somewhat without clarity.

There are certain trends to be found in the beliefs of the forumgoers. The majority seem to be gnostic atheists or agnostic atheists, moderately socially libertarian and to the left on economic policy, and disapprove of the foreign policy of the current administration of the US.

Those are just trends. Every community has certain trends in their membership. That's how things go.

It's not so much a theory as a fact stated somewhat without clarity.

There are certain trends to be found in the beliefs of the forumgoers. The majority seem to be gnostic atheists or agnostic atheists, moderately socially libertarian and to the left on economic policy, and disapprove of the foreign policy of the current administration of the US.

Those are just trends. Every community has certain trends in their membership. That's how things go.

It is not a fact, it is an untested hypothesis. For it to be a fact, you would have to take a census of the forum.

not just you, this forum is very anti american, hell i wouldnt even be posting here right now if it wasnt for some of the completly braindead comments i read

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up?

Simple answer: No.

Complex answer: Hell no.

You idiot, the world is anti-American because America is anti-World.

It is not a fact, it is an untested hypothesis. For it to be a fact, you would have to take a census of the forum.

Or look at many of the polls done on the forum for the past year and a half. :)

I haven't seen any anti-American threads. What are you talking about? <.<

Or look at many of the polls done on the forum for the past year and a half. :)



you mean like the one that voted the us as having a bleaker future than several countries in africa? not trying to be a prick, but...:-/

Or look at many of the polls done on the forum for the past year and a half. :)

The polls conducted here are the least reliable type of poll known to man. They are convenience polls where only people who feel like responding respond. They are utterly and completely useless for testing any hypothesis.

Not to mention the fact that they ask only one question, that there is no safeguard for preventing losers who use more than one name from voting more than once (people like Drunk Commies/Jesussaves for example), and that they are taken so lightly that it is now customary to include an "Im an idiot trying to be funny" option at the bottom.

Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up?

Nitpick: since religion is generally believing (in) something without supporting backup, requiring others to back their viewpoints up when they attack it is hypocritical ;)

The polls conducted here are the least reliable type of poll known to man. They are convenience polls where only people who feel like responding respond. They are utterly and completely useless for testing any hypothesis.

Then how would you propose to gather census data?

Then how would you propose to gather census data?

I propose we dont.

It's not so much a theory as a fact stated somewhat without clarity.

There are certain trends to be found in the beliefs of the forumgoers. The majority seem to be gnostic atheists or agnostic atheists, moderately socially libertarian and to the left on economic policy, and disapprove of the foreign policy of the current administration of the US.

Those are just trends. Every community has certain trends in their membership. That's how things go.
Actually, for an international forum, there is an unfair proportion of bible-bashing, abortion-banning, gay marriage-banning, non christian religion-banning, inbreeding, states of the U.S. that aren't New York-residing, Bush-supporting rednecks here spewing their force fed mass media garbage on the rest of us.
The world's situation is not everybody loving the aforementioned sub-human scum and their society and a small minority being rebellious and speaking out against the aforementioned... but only the aformentioned thinking that the aforementioned are decent beings worthy of life on this planet and the rest of the world wishing they'd do us the favour of going to their heaven of gods who find it fun to deem 5/6ths of the population to eternal torture while claiming they love everybody.

I propose we dont.

So do I. However, were you to attempt such a thing, how might you conduct it?

Might this be due to the fact that Nationstates is a) international and b) based on a UK domain? Did it escape your limited horizon of perception that the majority of mankind seems to be disgusted by the US since the Iraq attack coupled with various international law breaches and breaches of Human rights?


did you ever stop to think not every non american hates america for no reason?


Might it furthermore have ocurred to you that the government system in the US is generally seen as a) corrupt b) anti-human c) dangerous d) reckless e) backwards and outdated?


have you ever been to america, judging by that i highly doubt it


If you can't deal with the fact that here people do not brownnose every American, then this is too bad for you. Here, we have almost unlimited free speech. Something which I doubt still exists in this form in the US.


hes not asking you all to kiss our ass, hes just asking for the pointless blind bashing to stop a little, if i did the same to alot of you youd be up in arms too, and about the free speech thing, i guarentee its stronger than where you are from :-/

So do I. However, were you to attempt such a thing, how might you conduct it?

You cant. You would have to create a good questionaire and then force everyone to answer it if they wish to continue participating.

Actually, for an international forum, there is an unfair proportion of bible-bashing, abortion-banning, gay marriage-banning, non christian religion-banning, inbreeding, states of the U.S. that aren't New York-residing, Bush-supporting rednecks here spewing their force fed mass media garbage on the rest of us.
The world's situation is not everybody loving the aforementioned sub-human scum and their society and a small minority being rebellious and speaking out against the aforementioned... but only the aformentioned thinking that the aforementioned are decent beings worthy of life on this planet and the rest of the world wishing they'd do us the favour of going to their heaven of gods who find it fun to deem 5/6ths of the population to eternal torture while claiming they love everybody.

And you point is relevant to mine how? I don't recall saying anything about unfair proportions of any kind.

You cant. You would have to create a good questionaire and then force everyone to answer it if they wish to continue participating.

So if I wish to gather data (as I do and have in the past), I would have to do so from less reliable sources, yes?

And you point is relevant to mine how? I don't recall saying anything about unfair proportions of any kind.
You weren't implying that there was an unfair proportion of the kind I described. I agree, it was unfair to target you. How about we make it in response to all the people saying that this forum DOES have an uncommon or exagerated anti-american sentiment.

So if I wish to gather data (as I do and have in the past), I would have to do so from less reliable sources, yes?

Obviously. But once you get below the level of a statistically significant survey, your data is useless.

Obviously. But once you get below the level of a statistically significant survey, your data is useless.

What would you consider to be a statistically significant survey, given the size and fluidity of the forum community? 5%? 10%? 30%? 50%? 80%?

I think the data is there and it's generally (though not always, but on the other hand, it's not possible to do an absolutely reliable survey under any circumstances because it's always possible that some random variable has skewed the results) reliable in terms of what the average forum poster believes. The problem is more in compiling the data, in my assessment. As always, that's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

What would you consider to be a statistically significant survey, given the size and fluidity of the forum community? 5%? 10%? 30%? 50%? 80%?

I think the data is there and it's generally (though not always, but on the other hand, it's not possible to do an absolutely reliable survey under any circumstances because it's always possible that some random variable has skewed the results) reliable in terms of what the average forum poster believes. The problem is more in compiling the data, in my assessment. As always, that's just my opinion. Take it or leave it.

The data is useless. But even if you preffer to pretend that it isnt, it is undeniable that your original assertion that this is "a fact" is incorrect.

Obviously. But once you get below the level of a statistically significant survey, your data is useless.
Actually, I believe this site has conducted a survey of its members, though (IIRC) on the subject of how and why they use the site and NS2 rather than their political and social positions.

Assuming a reasonable questionnaire, it would be fairly straightforward to conduct a reasonable, voluntary poll of members. If it were made neutral and conducted by admin for information only, I suspect it would get a reasonable response. There would still be some bias, but manageable I think. It would also of course be only a snapshot of the membership at a single point in time. The results would not be scientifically valid, but then very little in such fields is.

Also see the work that Swimmingpool put in on the NS political compass results. That looked pretty good.

(Not that I think the site should poll its members in such a way, BTW.)

The data is useless. But even if you preffer to pretend that it isnt, it is undeniable that your original assertion that this is "a fact" is incorrect.
I think you're setting your standards of proof too high. The data is out there, imperfect and biased for sure; but better than anecdotal, if it is interpreted sensibly.

im anti everything, im anti america, anti people who are anti america, shit im anti posting this post, the only thing im not anti against so the word anti, oh god i love it, anti anti anti, oh and cookies, cookies are good

I think you're setting your standards of proof too high. The data is out there, imperfect and biased for sure; but better than anecdotal, if it is interpreted sensibly.

I was responding to someone who claimed, not that they have some evidence, but that it is a proven fact that most NSers feel a certain way. The standard of proof for labelling something a fact is supposed to be extremely high.

how bad would it be if we couldnt bitch about somting with out facts





Ignorance is Bliss

God Damn Liberals and their Fancy Logic!

God Damn Liberals and their Fancy Logic!
Logic?
Facts?
Science?

Pfft, I'd prefer to base all my opinions on a book that was written by a group of people who simply documented a person's life hundreds of years ago, and has since changed so much due to political medlling it in no way resembles anything of significance, even if it were the year 1500.

Logic?
Facts?
Science?

Pfft, I'd prefer to base all my opinions on a book that was written by a group of people who simply documented a person's life hundreds of years ago, and has since changed so much due to political medlling it in no way resembles anything of significance, even if it were the year 1500.

wow. trying to set a record for longest run-on sentence?

wow. trying to set a record for longest run-on sentence?

God Damn Liberals and their long sentences!

Might this be due to the fact that Nationstates is a) international and b) based on a UK domain? Did it escape your limited horizon of perception that the majority of mankind seems to be disgusted by the US since the Iraq attack coupled with various international law breaches and breaches of Human rights?


did you ever stop to think not every non american hates america for no reason?


Might it furthermore have ocurred to you that the government system in the US is generally seen as a) corrupt b) anti-human c) dangerous d) reckless e) backwards and outdated?


have you ever been to america, judging by that i highly doubt it


If you can't deal with the fact that here people do not brownnose every American, then this is too bad for you. Here, we have almost unlimited free speech. Something which I doubt still exists in this form in the US.


hes not asking you all to kiss our ass, hes just asking for the pointless blind bashing to stop a little, if i did the same to alot of you youd be up in arms too, and about the free speech thing, i guarentee its stronger than where you are from :-/


How a person going to america affects their assessment of how non-americans view america I find mightily puzzling.

Additionally, considering the level of censorship in the american media, with the added fact that americans are now being called to account for their political ideals (if they disagree with that of the current administration). I highly doubt that freedom of speech is at less of a level than that within the United States. As for pointless bashing of the US, I agree, and it does go on. There is however an awful lot of legitimate comment regarding US policy by both americans and non-americans in both positive and negative lights. If you don't like what someone says and they back it up, then challenge it, otherwise you've no right to comment.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.
it's just you. well, just you, and the poor oppressed conservative Christians with American flags dangling off every available inch of their property. those poor, poor people, who control all three branches of our government. i weep for them, i really do.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.

Let me guess... you're a religious, conservative American?

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.


There are many in here that seem to have all day and night to take shots at America, conservatism and religion. Dont let it get to you-they are small,angry voices from the dark. They dont represent any significant population.
Dont be concerned that they are anything else.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Nation States! Good luck in getting anyone to stop doing those sorts of things.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.


.....hmm..i am not anti- american....anymore...this is due to my visit to the pacific recently...and as we all know many of the u.s troops who died theire had never even heard of guadocanal or any f the other islands..i know the reason some of my freainds are anti-american..the reason being that..he had some rather agressive anti-british americans..and..well that just started it off

Simple answer: No.

Complex answer: Hell no.

You idiot, the world is anti-American because America is anti-World.
Who was that commenting about liberals' ability to reason? Hmm.

.....hmm..i am not anti- american....anymore...this is due to my visit to the pacific recently...and as we all know many of the u.s troops who died theire had never even heard of guadocanal or any f the other islands..i know the reason some of my freainds are anti-american..the reason being that..he had some rather agressive anti-british americans..and..well that just started it off


Well-its good to hear. Thanks. Just for the record-I am not and likely never will be anti-British or anti any other NATION for that matter. There will be certain individuals or even groups I can do without, but I wont hold it against their whole country.

Who was that commenting about liberals' ability to reason? Hmm.


The scary part is that this person may be allowed to drive and vote.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.
About there being many liberals here, It's not just. However, you are making a broad generalization about their positions.

About baseless attacks coming mostly from the liberals, it's just you. There are equal amounts of vitriol and venom flying from both sides. No side is blameless.

It's even rougher being in the no man's land of the centrists. We get hit by flak from both extremes.

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.
Conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anarchists, etc. all throw shit at each other so don't play innocent.

you wrote: Is it just me
Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?...
which for me sounds like ur such an anti-american, anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion, and I am atleast anti-religion and anti-american.

:upyours: :sniper: :) (kill the madman->happy)

*comes in from the cold... sits in thread to warm up with all the flaming going on...*
Ahhhhh :D

Or is almost everyone here anti-american, anti-conservative, anti-religion?... Jesus, if you went to the forums I regularly go to, you would have been banned a long time ago, and not for being liberal, because we have plenty of those there. Can people here please stop making baseless attacks on America, Bush, the right, and religion without backing it up? It gets really annoying to hear people whine about things that they don't even have proper facts about.
well done on ignoring the fact that the nation with the most representation on this forum is the US

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Don't worry, it's just you.

Don't worry, it's just you.
Perhaps he's distraut.