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Since the Pope's Condition is deteriorating, I figured that people will need to know what will go on if the pope passes away. If you want, i'll even answer questions. But Here are a few links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_election

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12270a.htm

http://www.time.com/time/daily/special/papacy/how.html

http://www.popechart.com/Papal%20Election.htm

May God Help and Heal His Holiness, Pope John Paul II.

At 12:45 P.M., central US Time: The Pope is not dead. There are leaks, bu the majority of News sources agree that he is still alive.

So now that the pope has passed on, I'm curious (not being catholic) how do they get a new one? An election? Some sort of ranking system? A secret ritual to test ones popeness? Maybe it could be a new reality show... tonight on Fox round 2 of Vatican Idol!! Seriously though, how does it happen?

The cardinals get together and elect a new one.

Personally I think it's too much power for a sports team to wield.

Who Wants to be a Spiritual World Leader?

OK, that's something else I don't understand. What is the difference between a bishop and a cardinal, or an arch-bishop for that matter? Is it like a rank? Do you need to be a certain "rank" to be considered a potential pope?

When a daddy and a mommy love eachother very very much, they kiss and go into the bedroom. And that's where popes come from

OK, that's something else I don't understand. What is the difference between a bishop and a cardinal, or an arch-bishop for that matter? Is it like a rank? Do you need to be a certain "rank" to be considered a potential pope?
The Catholic church has a heierachy. I think priests and monks are at the bottom, then monsignior, then bishop, then cardinal, at the top is pope. I think the pope is elected from either the cardinals, or perhaps bishops and cardinals are eligible.

Well when a mommy pope and a daddy pope love eachother very much...

you see son, When a man loves a Jesus... well... things happen... the man puts his hands like this, on another, holier man... and a Pope is born.

It's The maricle of pope.

OK, that's something else I don't understand. What is the difference between a bishop and a cardinal, or an arch-bishop for that matter? Is it like a rank? Do you need to be a certain "rank" to be considered a potential pope?
yeah it's like a rank you have to be a cardinal to be pope.
Its
pope
|
cardinals
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arch-bishops
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bishops
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clergy

I think.

ok, heres what happens:
All the cardinals from allover the world get together and "lock" themselves in the Sistene Chapple. They will stay in the chapple untill they unanimously pick a pope. Then, all the ballots are burned, creating white smoke from the fireplace, alerting the public outside that a new pope has been chosen.

And in reguards to the church hierarchy
Pope
Cardinals
Archbishops
Bishops
Monsenginors
Preists
Deacons
The people
they are ranks

So now that the pope has passed on, I'm curious (not being catholic) how do they get a new one? An election? Some sort of ranking system? A secret ritual to test ones popeness? Maybe it could be a new reality show... tonight on Fox round 2 of Vatican Idol!! Seriously though, how does it happen?
God goes to the bathroom, and takes a Pope.

Well when a mommy pope and a daddy pope love eachother very much...
*high fives Hammolopolis*

Nobody's really sure of the exact process until they reach the 7th level of Catholicism and get their decoder ring. All anyone else knows is that there's a puff of white smoke, and then a new pope appears. It's his job to make sure that Mary and all the saints get their proper respective ammounts of pagan worship, and of course to supervise the muslim assasins going after Jack Chick.

Honestly: they have a "Committee" of bishopes and cardinals that select candidates and then from that a pope.

or they choose race horses for the candidate and thats how it happens

one or the other

Yes, it's kind of a rank thing.

Without getting into the monastic orders, the church heirarchy is:

Deacon (non-ordained clergy, cannot perform sacraments, may marry)
Priest
Monsenior (a "high" priest, usually runs a parish/church)
Bishop (1 per diocsese (a collection of churches in a region))
Archbishop (1 per region of dioceses/large diocese)
Cardinal (about 100-200, depending on the year)
Pope (1)

This goes into detail of what happens when a Pope dies.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7357490/

I hope this isn't like 1978... the year of 3 Popes... :(

A Pope factory.
It used to be in Sicily. Popes were carefully hand-crafted by experienced artisans whose families had been Pope-makers for generations, carefully passing down their skills from father to son.
Unfortunately for them, due to the high cost of Pope-making and pressure from the WTO, the Vatican has outsourced and now the factory is situated somewhere in China, where the appallingly paid teenage girls working in dreadful conditions can pump a fully functioning Pope out in less than half the time and for a 1/4 of the cost of what the Sicilians were doing it for.
Though the drawback from this outsourcing is that the new Popes are prone to numerous defects and occassional breakdowns, as has been seen in the current model.

I don't think you have to be a cardinal to become Pope legally (as per religious law), but I think practically Popes always come from cardinals.

The Pope isn't dead yet. It won't be too long before he is, though.

*prays for John Paul*

The Pope isn't dead yet I thought he was

So now that the pope has passed on, I'm curious (not being catholic) how do they get a new one? An election? Some sort of ranking system? A secret ritual to test ones popeness? Maybe it could be a new reality show... tonight on Fox round 2 of Vatican Idol!! Seriously though, how does it happen?

A little stork will bring one. =)

Do you think they're joking? It is April Fools Day after all...





...And Karol Wotija wakes up, the people scream. In a polish accent two words are heard, "April Fools!"

I don't think you have to be a cardinal to become Pope legally (as per religious law), but I think practically Popes always come from cardinals.

I believe you have to be a Cardinal under 80 to be elected Pope. (Unless it is by acclaimation, but that will never happen as the election is always secret).

It is actually true that someone does not have to be a cardinal in order to be a pope. In fact, technically (via my Catholic church history), the pope does not need to be clergy in any way. This would be a ludicrous thing to assume might happen, however.

The soon-to-be/recently deceased (Is he dead or not?) pope was actually the first in over 450 years that was not Italian. He was also the first Polish pope ever.

The election process is really quite interesting. The cardinals are all locked into a building (forgive me, I do not remember what building) and all the windows are blocked. In fact, the only light from outside comes in under the main door and that is just so that they can be fed inside the building. The deliberate and banter over who the new pope should be. If the election of a pope goes through, they do something to the ballots (I think they soak them in water.) and place them in the fireplace, where the water turns to steam along with the smoke, creating "white" smoke, which travels out the chimney and lets those outside the building know that they have elected a new pope. If the election does not go through, there is black smoke, which means they will remain in the building. When the white smoke comes, they are let out of the building and the new pope is announced.

It is a sad day when PJPII dies. I believe he had quite a heart for people, children specifically, but people as a whole. However, when the election is done, we should pay attention. This could quite possibly be a once-in-a-lifetime occurence.

He can't die today.

The Pope dying the same day as Frank Perdue just wouldn't be right.


Chicken magnate Frank Perdue dies at 84
Credited with being the first market branded poultry
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356605/

Read Dan Brown's 'Angels and Demons'. Despite the slightly suspect story, i believe the information about the Vatican and the election of the Pope is pretty much correct.

Deacon
Priest
Monsignor
Bishop
Archbishop
Cardinal
Pope

This sounds about right (I'm Catholic. I made a pope joke a few minutes ago. I'm going to hell.) to me. I had to learn it last year in my religion class (I go to a Catholic High School, MSJ), but they don't really make anyone a Monsignor anymore. It really isn't a rank actually if I remember correctly. It's more like an honor.

Deacons- they're two kinds. Permanant and Transitional. Permanant ones can get married and are members of the lay, etc. Transitional are usually seminarians (A priest-in-training. Unlike some protestant sects our priests are educated. My priest is a Jesuit. He knows Greek, Latin, Hebrew... when he doesn't understand a passage he looks it up in its original language.)

Priests - Priests Are Ordained. They can oversee the seven sacraments (Let's see if I remember them all Baptism, Eucharist [Communion for you protestants], Confirmation [Bishops usually do this one though... or atleast a Bishop confirmed me], Marriage, Holy Orders [Marrying the Chuch], Annointing of the Sick, Confession/Penance/Reconcilliation.)

Bishops - To become a Bishop you are ordained as a Bishop (unlike monsignors, cardinals, and archbishops). THey oversee a diocese. They're like preists, but also do stuff in Church government.

Archbishop - A bishop over a really big diocese, called a metropolitan diocese or an archdiocese.

Cardinal - (Mine is Cardinal Keeler) Appointed by the pope. They come together as a body (The college of Cardinals) and elect the new pope

Pope - infallible on moral issues. The successor of St. Peter as the head of the church. THinks he's better than the other patriarchs (Other popes! Yeah... that's why the Eastern Orthodox Church doesn;t like us. He was like the partriach of Rome is more important than the patriarch of Antioch and all those other places)

This is excuding Monks, Brothers, and Nuns which are basically kind of like deacons. Like Deacans they can't give communion or confirm anyone, marry anyone, or perform any of the other sacraments. Brothers, Monks and sisters do not give sermons/homilies. Deacons sometimes do, like if the priest is really old. They usually take several vows. Monks cloister themselves, Brothers don't. Brothers are often times teachers or prison chaplains. Nuns are often nurses or teachers. They used to use rulers as a weapon. I've been educated by brothers (Xaverian Brothers) and nuns (School Sister of Notre Dame).

Also this is excluding the Black Pope. He controls the Jesuits (an order of priests who focus on education and snuffing out heresy. They're usually brilliant, and can crush any protestant in a theological debate. They were part of the Catholic Revival, along with great pieces of art and the council of trent after the Protestant Reformation)

...
Unicron.

Deacon
Priest
Monsignor
Bishop
Archbishop
Cardinal
Pope

This sounds about right (I'm Catholic. I made a pope joke a few minutes ago. I'm going to hell.) to me. I had to learn it last year in my religion class (I go to a Catholic High School, MSJ), but they don't really make anyone a Monsignor anymore. It really isn't a rank actually if I remember correctly. It's more like an honor.

Deacons- they're two kinds. Permanant and Transitional. Permanant ones can get married and are members of the lay, etc. Transitional are usually seminarians (A priest-in-training. Unlike some protestant sects our priests are educated. My priest is a Jesuit. He knows Greek, Latin, Hebrew... when he doesn't understand a passage he looks it up in its original language.)

Priests - Priests Are Ordained. They can oversee the seven sacraments (Let's see if I remember them all Baptism, Eucharist [Communion for you protestants], Confirmation [Bishops usually do this one though... or atleast a Bishop confirmed me], Marriage, Holy Orders [Marrying the Chuch], Annointing of the Sick, Confession/Penance/Reconcilliation.)

Bishops - To become a Bishop you are ordained as a Bishop (unlike monsignors, cardinals, and archbishops). THey oversee a diocese. They're like preists, but also do stuff in Church government.

Archbishop - A bishop over a really big diocese, called a metropolitan diocese or an archdiocese.

Cardinal - (Mine is Cardinal Keeler) Appointed by the pope. They come together as a body (The college of Cardinals) and elect the new pope

Pope - infallible on moral issues. The successor of St. Peter as the head of the church. THinks he's better than the other patriarchs (Other popes! Yeah... that's why the Eastern Orthodox Church doesn;t like us. He was like the partriach of Rome is more important than the patriarch of Antioch and all those other places)

This is excuding Monks, Brothers, and Nuns which are basically kind of like deacons. Like Deacans they can't give communion or confirm anyone, marry anyone, or perform any of the other sacraments. Brothers, Monks and sisters do not give sermons/homilies. Deacons sometimes do, like if the priest is really old. They usually take several vows. Monks cloister themselves, Brothers don't. Brothers are often times teachers or prison chaplains. Nuns are often nurses or teachers. They used to use rulers as a weapon. I've been educated by brothers (Xaverian Brothers) and nuns (School Sister of Notre Dame).

Also this is excluding the Black Pope. He controls the Jesuits (an order of priests who focus on education and snuffing out heresy. They're usually brilliant, and can crush any protestant in a theological debate. They were part of the Catholic Revival, along with great pieces of art and the council of trent after the Protestant Reformation)

Pope - infallible on matters of DOGMA.

I just g00gled black pope. Apparently he is a Lucifer-Woshipping Sorcerer who leads the priests of Lucifer, the Jesuits (And I always thought Jesuits were like The Society of Jesus), that works in the Church of Jesu and there's this elaborate Satanic conspiracy that involves the Jews...



And protestants wonder why Catholics get pissed at them...

Catholicism/Orthodoxy came first. We created your religion, b1tch!

Well, I guess that makes up for us saying Protestants don't know what they believe and make up their theology as they go along, rather than having our elabortate traditions that developed from the pagans we converted.

Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, the so-called Society of Jesus?

Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit Generals, they are sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship what they would call Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer.

Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited—because he was a top Jesuit at the time in the late ’60s—he was invited to a “Black Mass” in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And he called it a “Black Mass”. Well, when you’re involved in a “Black Mass”, you’re involved in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm

Pope - infallible on matters of DOGMA.

Do you have to be so nit-picky?

Do you have to be so nit-picky?

Hardly. Dogma and morals are too VERY different things!!

Kind of like a puppy and a chair.

Hardly. Dogma and morals are too VERY different things!!

Kind of like a puppy and a chair.
Actually puppies and chairs are quite similar. They have four legs, you can sit on either one, and some chairs squeek just like a puppy when you sit on them.

Hardly. Dogma and morals are too VERY different things!!

Like the pope really is infallible anyway...

Note that not all cardinals get to elect the Pope. The cardinals who are older that 90 (or is it 80) are not voting.

he's not dead hes still alive ish :confused:

It's sad to think that such a great man will soon no longer be with us. Not only does he bring great pride to my people (the Poles), he has been such an influential figure in our lives for nearly 30 years. Even those not religious, or even of opposing beliefs, can see the greatness of this frail man.
May he be forever remembered in our hearts, minds, and souls.

you see son, When a man loves a Jesus... well... things happen... the man puts his hands like this, on another, holier man... and a Pope is born.

It's The maricle of pope.
:eek:

Originally posted by Bashan
And protestants wonder why Catholics get pissed at them...

No, we know. Rest assured, though, that paranoid people like that do not represent the heart of Protestantism any more than molesting priests represent the heart of Catholicism.

Catholicism/Orthodoxy came first. We created your religion, b1tch!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Then the Jews have us both beat! ;)

Well, I guess that makes up for us saying Protestants don't know what they believe and make up their theology as they go along, rather than having our elabortate traditions that developed from the pagans we converted.

All those councils were 'making up theology' weren't they? I would say that both Catholics and Protestants discovered their theology as it became necessary (except for the odd theologies conjured up in the scholastic period . . . As someone said, who cares how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? The argument was to decide if angels were matter or not, but honestly, I can't imagine the relevance.)

Originally posted by Markreich
Kind of like a puppy and a chair.

Hilarious! I am serious. From where on earth did you pull those two things?

Originally posted by Drunk commies reborn
Actually puppies and chairs are quite similar. They have four legs, you can sit on either one, and some chairs squeek just like a puppy when you sit on them.

Even better! Haha!

He can't die today.

The Pope dying the same day as Frank Perdue just wouldn't be right.


Chicken magnate Frank Perdue dies at 84
Credited with being the first market branded poultry
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7356605/

Frank Perdue was market-branded poultry?

Wow, talk about selling out your own kind! Chicken magnet indeed.

Oh, on the Pope thing ...

Pope wanabees (or Poppees) are carefully selected by a selected panel of judges based on scores in a variety of categories

.... but it all really comes down to the Swimsuit Competition!


('cuz the lizard people wanna sexy Pope.)

So now that the pope has passed on, I'm curious (not being catholic) how do they get a new one? An election? Some sort of ranking system? A secret ritual to test ones popeness? Maybe it could be a new reality show... tonight on Fox round 2 of Vatican Idol!! Seriously though, how does it happen?
they fall out of the sky!

Actually Accordig To Cannonic (Church) Law any Catholic Male who is in perfect mental state can asume the Papacy, Actually its a Cardinal (as they elc him)

The ellection procedure is the following, the College of Cardinals (Princes of the Church) is summoned to meet on closed doors in the Sistine Chapel (Actually part of the vatican museums due to is beutiful Michelangello´s frescoes) 15 days after the pope's Death. Where they are to elect inspired by the holly spirit a new pope (don't really know how that happens, really it's just Lobby meetings). All cardinals over 80 are not to vote. If any candidate obtains a 2/3 majority he is raised to the Chair of St. Peter and the ballots are burned with straw showing throgh the chimeney white smoke (Fumata Bianca) if not ballots are burned with soaked straws showing black smoke (Fumata Nera).

God goes to the bathroom, and takes a Pope.
I fell off my chair laughing, and my co-workers looked at me a little strange... damn you! :p

I fell off my chair laughing, and my co-workers looked at me a little strange... damn you! :p
Everyone looks at you strange! :rolleyes:

I feel so awful for posting this, but Popeularity Contests.



Sorry everybody.

DCR, thanks a lot! :headbang:

I feel bad for lauhging, now! :rolleyes:

Everyone looks at you strange! :rolleyes:
That wasn't very nice Harlesburg. :(

Like the pope really is infallible anyway...

Yes, he is... in matters of Dogma. :)

Actually puppies and chairs are quite similar. They have four legs, you can sit on either one, and some chairs squeek just like a puppy when you sit on them.

LOL!!

Right. And morals and dogma are similar. But, as with the puppy and the chair, they're obviously not the same thing... for example, every time I throw my jacket over the puppy, it never stays in the same spot, unlike with the chair. ;)

That wasn't very nice Harlesburg. :(
Im not a very nice person!
Maybe these will make you feel better (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Flowers.jpg)?

Jokey! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Jokey1.bmp)

LOL!!

Right. And morals and dogma are similar. But, as with the puppy and the chair, they're obviously not the same thing... for example, every time I throw my jacket over the puppy, it never stays in the same spot, unlike with the chair. ;)
Well that depends on whether you've sat on the puppy first.

Im not a very nice person!
Maybe these will make you feel better (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Flowers.jpg)?

Jokey! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/harlesburg/Jokey1.bmp)
I really prefer Hybiscus to any other flower - but the effort was ver appreciated :)

and the smurf... rocked my world! I love you Harlesburg! :)

Hilarious! I am serious. From where on earth did you pull those two things?


As Drunken Commies said, puppies and chairs are similar. :)

(Read: i'm not the statistic, I'm the outlier).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bashan
Like the pope really is infallible anyway...



Yes, he is... in matters of Dogma.

I think your mom is infallible in matters of the sack... LIKE THE POPE

[Besides that, I think my heirarchy was almost accurate...]

I really prefer Hybiscus to any other flower - but the effort was ver appreciated :)

and the smurf... rocked my world! I love you Harlesburg! :)
Oh shucks just dont expect us to move in together!

LM you have been E-Mailed! :eek: