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Matthew J Hogan has just been appointed by the Bush Government as director of the Fish and Wildlife Service. Interestingly, Hogan was the lobbyist for Safari Club International - an elite club of exotic animal trophy hunters, as well as a keen exotic hunter himself.

SCI has 40,000 members, and promotes global competitive trophy hunting, with Grand Slam and Inner Circle competitions. These include Africa Big Five (leopard, elephant, lion, rhino, buffalo), North American Twenty Nine (one of each species of bear, bison, sheep, moose, caribou, and deer), Big Cats of the World and Antlered Game of the Americas. To complete all 29 awards, a hunter must kill 322 separate species. Enough to populate a large zoo.

(FYI: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is the agency charged with granting or denying such trophy import permits.)

It hasn't been funny for the last four years, and it's going to be excruciatingly unfunny for the next four. Unless grim irony is your bag.

its more than just not funny. they've stopped attempting to persuade people that they are even pretending to care.

It's funny cause I'm not an american. Actually, our government here in australia is just bushes little ass kissers.

It's funny cause I'm not an american. Actually, our government here in australia is just bushes little ass kissers.

you'd best watch out. i hear that safari club international has been contemplating adding the majestic australian to the list of big game to kill.

mmm, australian skin rug...

That is good news. Hunters have been supporting the Fish and game department since the 1920's with special taxes on ammunition. And unlike many others no species that has been actively and legally hunted has gone extinct.
You may not like it but unlike many liberials, Hunters put their money where their mouth is and are some of the best and most successful environmentiallists out there.

I have to say, it doesn't look like conservation :?

http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/convention/2005_Convention_Photos/show-floor/taxidermy/DSCN1672.JPG

I have to say, it doesn't look like conservation :?

http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/convention/2005_Convention_Photos/show-floor/taxidermy/DSCN1672.JPG

Of course! They ain't rotten away anytime soon.

Hunters put their money where their mouth is and are some of the best and most successful environmentiallists out there.
Dick Cheney?

I have to say, it doesn't look like conservation :?

http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/convention/2005_Convention_Photos/show-floor/taxidermy/DSCN1672.JPG
Is that thing on top next to the Canadian flag flipping us off??

Matthew J Hogan has just been appointed by the Bush Government as director of the Fish and Wildlife Service. Interestingly, Hogan was the lobbyist for Safari Club International - an elite club of exotic animal trophy hunters, as well as a keen exotic hunter himself.

SCI has 40,000 members, and promotes global competitive trophy hunting, with Grand Slam and Inner Circle competitions. These include Africa Big Five (leopard, elephant, lion, rhino, buffalo), North American Twenty Nine (one of each species of bear, bison, sheep, moose, caribou, and deer), Big Cats of the World and Antlered Game of the Americas. To complete all 29 awards, a hunter must kill 322 separate species. Enough to populate a large zoo.

(FYI: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is the agency charged with granting or denying such trophy import permits.)
So you have a problem with picking someone who has actually been Fishing and "experiencing" Wildlife, to head the Fish and Wildlife Service? :p

:D

Regards,
Gaar

That is good news. Hunters have been supporting the Fish and game department since the 1920's with special taxes on ammunition. And unlike many others no species that has been actively and legally hunted has gone extinct.
You may not like it but unlike many liberials, Hunters put their money where their mouth is and are some of the best and most successful environmentiallists out there.

except that we aren't talking about just any hunters. with the safari club international, we're talking about rich bastards who want to not only shoot endangered animals, but also loosen the laws against importing them to the u.s.

as for legally hunted animals not going extinct, that may be. but certainly not for lack of trying. or is the wolf common across all of its former range in the united states these days?

and, of course, none of this is to disparage the role the hunting tradition has played in the development of the environmental movement.

Well, America got what it voted for. Bush even won by a majority in addition to taking the electoral college. He sees it as a mandate.

Ahem. Did he do it legally? I didn't know it was the Fish and Wildlife Service's job to make sure that no one killed any animals. Whether he is an avid hunter is irrelevent. It's the service's job to make sure that people don't OVERhunt, not that they don't hunt. He can still perform his job capably and be a hunting man.

The real question is, what are his policies? His resume is irrelevent at this point. We need to know if he'll actually do the job properly and we can't determine that merely by what he's hunted in the past. Such things are only 'proof' if you don't really give a damn about the truth at all.

Ahem. Did he do it legally? I didn't know it was the Fish and Wildlife Service's job to make sure that no one killed any animals. Whether he is an avid hunter is irrelevent. It's the service's job to make sure that people don't OVERhunt, not that they don't hunt. He can still perform his job capably and be a hunting man.

The real question is, what are his policies? His resume is irrelevent at this point. We need to know if he'll actually do the job properly and we can't determine that merely by what he's hunted in the past. Such things are only 'proof' if you don't really give a damn about the truth at all.

You raise a good point about being too quick to judge. However records should be taken into account no?

I mean, c'mon, would you put a crack fiend in charge of the DARE program? ;) I think it would be hilarious, but I have a dark sense of humor.