NationStates Jolt Archive

What is or was the Worlds Most Tyrant Empire? Why?

It's difficult to say, really. The Third Reich was probably the worst...

I picked Spanish, because the Catholic Empire was crap, through and through.

A tie between the Arabs, Mongols, and Macedonians.

The Danish Empire and I have millions of good reasons for my choise.

The Belgian empire was pretty bad. Meaning the Congo Free State, under the direct personal rule of Leopold II. The population dropped by half in about 30 years. Thats about 5 million people.

The women of each village were held hostage until the men brought the belgians enough rubber. Your hands and/or feet and/or head were cut off if you didn't bring back enough wild rubber from the forest. And of course, arbitrary executions, starvation, oppression... you get the drill.

TEH AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!!111unouno[/liberal hysteria]

Just kidding! (America did build somewhat of an empire in the early part of the 20th century, which a lot of the territory gained is still ours. However, we're talking most Tyrannical. Not that American hasn't done it's share of evil, but it's a lot less then other standards.)

Anywho, I vote Mongols!

Actually I did vote the US. Guatamaula, Nicaraugua, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Haiti, The Philipines, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos and on, and on, and on...

I'm not on there! :D :( :D

Actually I did vote the US. Guatamaula, Nicaraugua, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Haiti, The Philipines, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos and on, and on, and on...
Sigh. Take some history courses. Compare the present to the past. Stifle your anti-Americanism for 30 seconds while thought occurs. Repeat.

Sigh. Take some history courses. Compare the present to the past. Stifle your anti-Americanism for 30 seconds while thought occurs. Repeat.

Thank you, kind sir. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Thank you, kind sir. I couldn't have said it better myself.
:D

Romans were fairly tyrannical

Sigh. Take some history courses. Compare the present to the past. Stifle your anti-Americanism for 30 seconds while thought occurs. Repeat.

Millions have died from US foreign policy. Now I'm not saying the US alone has blood on it's hands. It's had plenty of junior partners. But the US had the lead. It's mostly an historical accident, true. All empires are blood thirsty monsters and the US just happened to be the pre-eminant military and economic power during the 20th century. This just gave them the opportunity to resort to violence on a wider scale.

I said Belgian, as they were the last to outlaw slavery, were the most brutal in supression of indigenous peoples and pretty much disregarded even the basic rights of food and water for the populations of their colonies.

Historically tough choices there, but the Aztecs have my vote. I'm kinda puzzled why the Aztecs aren't among the poll options. The whole absolute control, power of life and death thing does make for a tryanical empire. I doubt any empire of the last 5 centuries can hold a candle to some of the tryanies of the past, as a rule while human rights may not be observed they are least acknowledged as existing by the 'modern' empires.

Millions have died from US foreign policy. Now I'm not saying the US alone has blood on it's hands. It's had plenty of junior partners. But the US had the lead. It's mostly an historical accident, true. All empires are blood thirsty monsters and the US just happened to be the pre-eminant military and economic power during the 20th century. This just gave them the opportunity to resort to violence on a wider scale.


Millions have died from US foreign policy? What are you talking about? Which millions? Where? What American foreign policy caused them to die?

Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? How old are you? Is the education system wherever you are so poor/corrupt/biased.

Do you really believe what you posted or is flamebait?

Actually I did vote the US. Guatemala, Nicaragua, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Haiti, The Philippines, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Viet Nam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos and on, and on, and on...

I have no idea where to start, other than basic concepts.

(1) The Motherland Theory
I've never been good with dates, but ... in 1930 (?) a famous geographer (can't remember names either), proposed the Motherland Theory which states that Asian resources could be used in conquesting more outlying powers then their navies could be used in conquesting the entire world. The first nation to 'prove' this theory was Mongolia and the pro-capitalist USA didn't want Russia to be the next one to prove it.

In an effort to contain Communism, they got involved in conflicts to try and stop this domino effect from happening. From instating a theocracy in Iran
to fighting wars, America's primary interest was to keep Communism from spreading. When Cuba joined the hammer and sickle in 195x, this focus of trying to stop communism quickly spread to South America and the Caribbean.

As you can clearly see, nearly every country you listed in that circumstance was more so an attempt to block Communism rather than 'imperialism.'

(2) "If you didn't kill them, they would have killed themselves."
Simple as that. Japan was determined to win the war because they BELIEVED that the Emperor was god and would have proved their loyalty to the Emp/God. If there was some kind of religious intensity meter, the WWII Japan would score the highest. In fact, if America ever landed on Japanese soil, the death toll would have been huge because they would have rather killed themselves rather than surrendering. They had to find some non-conventional means of warfare.

Nuclear war was the only option. By dropping one single bomb, you DO kill a lot of people. You don't, however, kill your own people. You also send a clear message to Tojo. After the second bomb, he surrendered and potentially scads of Japanese and American lives were saved.

Historically tough choices there, but the Aztecs have my vote. I'm kinda puzzled why the Aztecs aren't among the poll options. The whole absolute control, power of life and death thing does make for a tryanical empire. I doubt any empire of the last 5 centuries can hold a candle to some of the tryanies of the past, as a rule while human rights may not be observed they are least acknowledged as existing by the 'modern' empires.

Two words:

H O N K E Y B I A S E D .

Bump. :D

Belgian: why? The Belgian Congo.

The Soviet Empire, followed very closely by the Third Reich.

I said Belgian, as they were the last to outlaw slavery, were the most brutal in supression of indigenous peoples and pretty much disregarded even the basic rights of food and water for the populations of their colonies.
And they're still attempting to control us even today, through their delicious belgian chocolates! What won't the Belgians stoop to for their aims of World Domination?

The USA of course. No contest.

The Assyrian empire. Their treatment of their vassals and their own people was probably the most brutal of any nation. Even the Roman Empire was more compassionate to conquered peoples than them. They sluaghtered, robbed, and brutalized everyone they encountered.

Millions have died from US foreign policy. Now I'm not saying the US alone has blood on it's hands. It's had plenty of junior partners. But the US had the lead. It's mostly an historical accident, true. All empires are blood thirsty monsters and the US just happened to be the pre-eminant military and economic power during the 20th century. This just gave them the opportunity to resort to violence on a wider scale.
Millions have died from the policies of every major nation. Heck, France caused millions of deaths in Algeria alone when they tried to hold onto that colony. Not to mention the rest of West Africa.

We try to avoid civilian casualties wherever possible. Dozens of nations and empires throughout history have not.

I'd say the French, their Imperial policy was criminal. Why is Britain even there? I don't think it's nearly as tyrranical as other Empires. It makes no sense.

Millions have died from US foreign policy? What are you talking about? Which millions? Where? What American foreign policy caused them to die?

Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? How old are you? Is the education system wherever you are so poor/corrupt/biased.

Do you really believe what you posted or is flamebait?

Okay- one US foreign policy that allowed millions to die was the Vietnam war. Happy?

BUT AMERICA IS NOT TYRANNICAL. They have elections. They aren't an Empire. Give me a break. Anyone who says they are is motivated by nothing other than shallow politics and a poor understanding of world history, so for your sake, my sake, and the sake of the common good, please, please, please . . . shut up.

Okay- one US foreign policy that allowed millions to die was the Vietnam war. Happy?

BUT AMERICA IS NOT TYRANNICAL. They have elections. They aren't an Empire. Give me a break. Anyone who says they are is motivated by nothing other than shallow politics and a poor understanding of world history, so for your sake, my sake, and the sake of the common good, please, please, please . . . shut up.
*applauds*