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Now, i have nothing against them, i was just wondering if their building caught fire and the passed out from the smoke, could they be resued? They should not be able to get disablilty. Many comedians criticise them better, like Nick Diapola, he is one of the best.

nick diapola is an ass.

disgust me.

Well the great state of Arkansas is passing a tax on Hamburgers. I love this! This is genius!

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0305/216722.html

Well the great state of Arkansas is passing a tax on Hamburgers. I love this! This is genius!

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0305/216722.html
Sin tax! Sin tax!

I like fat people, they eat more, good for my chocolate business. They aren't so bad excluding that fact as well.

Fat people consume excess resources. It is unsustainable one person to eat a hectare of food (including the inefficient conversion of plants into animal flesh) per day. Add to that that fat people are selfish peices of crap that buy a whole bunch of other crap and drive everywhere in their 4WDs, I fucking hate fat people. OH MY GOD limiting what you consume isn't that hard, especially when the fate of the entire planet depends on it. And your own health, if that's all you can care about.
Same goes for self-centred skinny people too, I suppose.

I like fat people, they eat more, good for my chocolate business. They aren't so bad excluding that fact as well.
And also, if yuo are stuck on an island with a fat guy, you are probably more fit than him, so you kill him, and the meat will feed you for more than a week.

Fat people consume excess resources. It is unsustainable one person to eat a hectare of food (including the inefficient conversion of plants into animal flesh) per day. Add to that that fat people are selfish peices of crap that buy a whole bunch of other crap and drive everywhere in their 4WDs, I fucking hate fat people. OH MY GOD limiting what you consume isn't that hard, especially when the fate of the entire planet depends on it. And your own health, if that's all you can care about.
You know, if you're gonna bitch like that you really should change your nick.

And also, if yuo are stuck on an island with a fat guy, you are probably more fit than him, so you kill him, and the meat will feed you for more than a week.

This man/woman/transvestite speaks the truth!

You know, if you're gonna bitch like that you really should change your nick.
My nick? I just stole it off SomethingPositive.net It's the name of a hairless, boneless cat... it's so cool, I love it.
Does it have some connotation I'm unaware of?

This man/woman/transvestite speaks the truth!
man

In all truthfullness, i think that overweight people shouldn't get any special benefits. It is ridiculous for them to claim it as a disease. Eat less, work out more, it isn't that complicated. I don't hate far people, but i hate it when they blame someone else for them being overweight. I also hate it when i have to sit next to them at a football game or on an airplane. Rolls of fat hanging over the armrests is not that awesome. This brings up another point. Poeple that don't fit within a (using this as an example) airplane seat, without taking part of the neighboring seats, should be required to pay for more seats. For them to take part of my seat is not fair.
(I am going to ignore any claims in this thread that its your genes that make you fat, that is bullcrap)

Oh and as for what I have to contribute to the current topic.

Having observed several Old Country Buffets I have come to the conclusion that there is some sort of fat exuding wormhole in each one, for as you get closer to them the amount of grotesquely fat people goes up exponentially.

man

Okay, just being safe!

You all want to know something worse?

There was a demonstration in NYC a few months ago by fat feminists. They claimed that men make fat women feel degraded, because they are not as sexually apealing to them, and that men reduce fat women, discriminate against them etc. They also proposed that "fat" should be considered sexy. And in the end, they all turned their backs to the cameras, and flashed their fat asses to the world)

My nick? I just stole it off SomethingPositive.net It's the name of a hairless, boneless cat... it's so cool, I love it.
Does it have some connotation I'm unaware of?
You're trashing the image of poor Choo-choo. C'mon, he eats midgets and small kids, do you really think he would see fat people as anything but a really large and bad-tasting food source?

I also do not care what fat feminists say, I do not and will not consider "fat" to be a term directly associated "sexy" unless preceeded by an odd number of negatives. (i think that makes sense)

what's the difference between pleasantly plump and fat?

I also do not care what fat feminists say, I do not and will not consider "fat" to be a term directly associated "sexy" unless preceeded by an odd number of negatives. (i think that makes sense)
surprisingly it does.

ones is a matter that should be taken care of by excercise and a diet, the other is a matter that should be taken care of immediatley by government forced stomach reduction surgery, at the expense of the person being given the surgery

I also do not care what fat feminists say, I do not and will not consider "fat" to be a term directly associated "sexy" unless preceeded by an odd number of negatives. (i think that makes sense)
However how about
Fat women aint no sexy.
SEe, even negatives, but the message still works.

Yeah, let's pick on fat people because they need it, what with the heart conditions and the shorter life expectancy...

ones is a matter that should be taken care of by excercise and a diet, the other is a matter that should be taken care of immediatley by government forced stomach reduction surgery, at the expense of the person being given the surgery
Yea, if you don't suck the fat out by a doctor, we'll cut it off by our butchers.
And the cut off fat can be used for candles, or even as fuel.

That would be funny.

what's the difference between pleasantly plump and fat?

About half a bottle of scotch. Why?

About half a bottle of scotch. Why?
One of the best responses ever :) :) :)

You all want to know something worse?

There was a demonstration in NYC a few months ago by fat feminists. They claimed that men make fat women feel degraded, because they are not as sexually apealing to them, and that men reduce fat women, discriminate against them etc. They also proposed that "fat" should be considered sexy. And in the end, they all turned their backs to the cameras, and flashed their fat asses to the world)


My eyes, MY EYES!

I have no sympthy towards fat people. They did this to themselves, no one else forced them to choke down 40 big macs in one day, and they should not recieve any benefit just because they overeat.

One of the best responses ever :) :) :)

Thank you. :)

However how about
Fat women aint no sexy.
SEe, even negatives, but the message still works.

translation: Fat women are not, not sexy
when you count the number of negatives in that sentence, there are 2, not and not, 2 is an even number, not an odd number, thus i remain correct
(sorry if that sounded rude)

Fat should cause people to be revolted, just like ugly should be. It's a survival mechanism all species have, its just sad that humans are loosing it. We need to strengthen our gene pool! I propose mandatory steralisation of all fat and ugly people!


</flamebait> I'm not a dickhead, honest =s

Fat should cause people to be revolted, just like ugly should be. It's a survival mechanism all species have, its just sad that humans are loosing it. We need to strengthen our gene pool! I propose mandatory steralisation of all fat and ugly people!


</flamebait> I'm not a dickhead, honest =s

And who would decide what is "ugly"? You know I was born with facial deformity due to Goldenhar and Tretcher Collins. Are you going to be the one to say I can't re-produce just because you find me "ugly"? You sir, are a jerk and should get your head out of your ass.

We need to strengthen our gene pool! I propose mandatory steralisation of all fat and ugly people =s

Might as well sign the dumb people up while you are at it

my last comment and someone elses brings up a pretty unrelated comment. If we were to steralize people with lower IQs, would that include mentally handicapped people.

In all truthfullness, i think that overweight people shouldn't get any special benefits. It is ridiculous for them to claim it as a disease. Eat less, work out more, it isn't that complicated. I don't hate far people, but i hate it when they blame someone else for them being overweight. I also hate it when i have to sit next to them at a football game or on an airplane. Rolls of fat hanging over the armrests is not that awesome. This brings up another point. Poeple that don't fit within a (using this as an example) airplane seat, without taking part of the neighboring seats, should be required to pay for more seats. For them to take part of my seat is not fair.
(I am going to ignore any claims in this thread that its your genes that make you fat, that is bullcrap)


The seat thing is pretty ridiculous though. The seats, especially in airlines, are absurdly small. I'm just a big guy (6'3 and 200) and I'm insanly uncomfortable in those seats.

The seat thing is pretty ridiculous though. The seats, especially in airlines, are absurdly small. I'm just a big guy (6'3 and 200) and I'm insanly uncomfortable in those seats.

two words; first class.

two words; first class.
four letters
I'm po'.

Dont hate me because I'm beautiful, thin and smart.

four letters
I'm po'.

I like how that sentence has almost as many punctuation marks as it does letters.

four letters
I'm po'.

three word, Private Pilot License. These small planes actually are pretty roomy and they can carry your weight plus luggage. I should know, at my airport we got a guy about your weight and height fly the small private planes with no problem.

Dont hate me because I'm beautiful, thin and smart.

Don't hate me because I have personality, thinness, and intelligence. I am guessing you are a female girl who is shallower than a puddle. I think we should get rid of the bimbos if we're going to improve our Gene pool. You are first. :mp5:

because having your own plain to fly is so much cheaper than first class

three word, Private Pilot License. These small planes actually are pretty roomy and they can carry your weight plus luggage. I should know, at my airport we got a guy about your weight and height fly the small private planes with no problem.

Four letters.
I'm po'

because having your own plain to fly is so much cheaper than first class

It actually is... $550 a month.

It actually is... $550 a month.

I don't fly often enough for it to be worth that. And $6,000 a year is...
Well, let's just say it again
Four letters.
I'm po'.

i guess that depends on how often you fly, i rarely travel, fly on a plane 3 or 4 times a year, not worth getting my own plane, but seeing as i fit in the seats, i dont really care

i guess that depends on how often you fly, i rarely travel, fly on a plane 3 or 4 times a year, not worth getting my own plane, but seeing as i fit in the seats, i dont really care


We need more pilots who has aviation as a hobby, like I do lol.

I'm just happy that I was able to use the same arguement 3 times.

God Bless America... where the people are so fat they need their own plane to get around.
Driving a 4WD everywhere doesn't seem as bad anymore, for some reason.

God Bless America... where the people are so fat they need their own plane to get around.
Driving a 4WD everywhere doesn't seem as bad anymore, for some reason.

I'm actually 120lbs, and I fly as a hobby.

i just use my oompa-loompa pulled sleigh

I'm actually 120lbs, and I fly as a hobby.

rather expensive / resource consuming hobby at that ^~

mmm... nascar x . x

God Bless America... where the people are so fat they need their own plane to get around.
Driving a 4WD everywhere doesn't seem as bad anymore, for some reason.

Is this directed at me or German Kingdoms?
Meh, my BMI puts me at the cusp of overweight normal weight, I'm not even close to obese, and the results are probably skewed because I've got a bit of muscle on me.

i just use my oompa-loompa pulled sleigh
Gronka Lonkas > Oompa Loompas

rather expensive / resource consuming hobby at that ^~

mmm... nascar x . x

Is there really any such thing as a "cheap" hobby? I mean lets be honest, if your going to be passionate about something, your going to spend alot of money on it lol.

This might sound rather offensive, but i wonder who the midget with the highest BMI is, how tall he is, and how much he ways
(all the hes could be shes)

Is there really any such thing as a "cheap" hobby? I mean lets be honest, if your going to be passionate about something, your going to spend alot of money on it lol.

It's true, i guess i just have something against hobbies / sports that use resources that are quickly running out.

Wow, this thread is a shining example of tolerance.

You people are disgusting, you have no right to judge people over their weights, fat people are not greedy self-absorbed pigs, I have to put up with that kind of degradation every single day, from "friends", co-workers, even my own family. Just because someone would rather eat, drink and be merry rather than put tons of self-dicipline on themselves is no reason to be hostile towards them. I think that degradation and discrimination over body shape should be up their with racism and sexism, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

(P.S: I also find fat women sexy, if you have a problem with that, kiss my ample arse! :mad: )

It's true, i guess i just have something against hobbies / sports that use resources that are quickly running out.

If your talking about gasoline, scientist are saying that we actually have about 10,000 or 100,000 years of gasoline left. So I'm not worried. By the time it runs out, I'll be dead! :D

Wow, this thread is a shining example of tolerance.
I dont think we should have to tolerate certain individuals deciding that it's their god given right to consume the Earth's resources and not leave anything left for other people. Most fat people have that kind of mentality.

I dont think we should have to tolerate certain individuals deciding that it's their god given right to consume the Earth's resources and not leave anything left for other people. Most fat people have that kind of mentality.

I bet you don't use deodorant either.

You people are disgusting, you have no right to judge people over their weights, fat people are not greedy self-absorbed pigs, I have to put up with that kind of degradation every single day, from "friends", co-workers, even my own family. Just because someone would rather eat, drink and be merry rather than put tons of self-dicipline on themselves is no reason to be hostile towards them. I think that degradation and discrimination over body shape should be up their with racism and sexism, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

(P.S: I also find fat women sexy, if you have a problem with that, kiss my ample arse! :mad: )

I just don't see how people can just eat and eat like that, and put themselves into serious health risk. However, it was your choice to eat like that, and you really have no one to blame for your health problems but yourself. The thing I'm having a problem with is people who don't take responsability, who just blames the food company, genetics, and other people things for their problems.

i have no problem with fat people, just the inconveniences that there extra bulk causes on me. I don't like it when half of a peron's body is piling on top of me because i was unfortunate enough to have to sit next to them.

If your talking about gasoline, scientist are saying that we actually have about 10,000 or 100,000 years of gasoline left. So I'm not worried. By the time it runs out, I'll be dead! :D

o.0 i'd like to see where you obtained that information, because i've read things to the contrary.

I dont think we should have to tolerate certain individuals deciding that it's their god given right to consume the Earth's resources and not leave anything left for other people. Most fat people have that kind of mentality.

Do you honestly believe that if fat people ate less, then starving Ethiopians would suddenly have full plates?

If your talking about gasoline, scientist are saying that we actually have about 10,000 or 100,000 years of gasoline left. So I'm not worried. By the time it runs out, I'll be dead! :D
And that's the kind of attitude so many idiot american hillbillies have.
You see something on Fox news, you regurgitate it and you think you're a well-informed, educated, and society is better off for having you around.

The fact is, you're an uneducated tool who is ruining the planet for the rest of us, and future generations of humans as well as all other life forms. We'd all be better off if people like you were to be loaded into a rocket and shot into the sun.

I just don't see how people can just eat and eat like that, and put themselves into serious health risk. However, it was your choice to eat like that, and you really have no one to blame for your health problems but yourself. The thing I'm having a problem with is people who don't take responsability, who just blames the food company, genetics, and other people things for their problems.

I will agree that the people deciding to sue because they're overweight are absurd.

Terri Schaivo looked pretty porky. Well, not at the end of course, but before that she did.

Maybe they should have just set the tube to low.

Might be a silly question, forgive me, I'm European, but... is there really a legislation in progress in the US to make obesity into a disability? :confused:

Might be a silly question, forgive me, I'm European, but... is there really a legislation in progress in the US to make obesity into a disability? :confused:
It could be classified as a mental disability, I suppose...

And that's the kind of attitude so many idiot american hillbillies have.
You see something on Fox news, you regurgitate it and you think you're a well-informed, educated, and society is better off for having you around.

The fact is, you're an uneducated tool who is ruining the planet for the rest of us, and future generations of humans as well as all other life forms. We'd all be better off if people like you were to be loaded into a rocket and shot into the sun.

First off, yes I do live in the American South, however I would not what one would consider, a hillbilly. Actually I don't watch Fox News. Wow, a bimbo that wants me dead because I'm "ugly" (see my post about Goldenhar), is telling me once again I should be shot into the sun. I find that ironic. You are trying to save the planet, and yet you want to use rocket fuel (burning more fuel) to send people like myself to the sun. Not to mention rocket also puts out alot of pollution. I think you just owned yourself.

Do you honestly believe that if fat people ate less, then starving Ethiopians would suddenly have full plates?
Did I say that?
But, yes, there is some truth to it. Food shortages are a political thing, not a geographical thing. There is plenty of food for everybody on the planet to eat... its just that rich countries like the U.S. buy most of it to feed to its animals which reduce a tonne of healthy, nutritious food available to everybody into about 10 grams of unhealthy, fattening meat available to the rich minority.

First off, yes I do live in the American South, however I would not what one would consider, a hillbilly. Actually I don't watch Fox News. Wow, a bimbo that wants me dead because I'm "ugly" (see my post about Goldenhar), is telling me once again I should be shot into the sun. I find that ironic. You are trying to save the planet, and yet you want to use rocket fuel (burning more fuel) to send people like myself to the sun. Not to mention rocket also puts out alot of pollution. I think you just owned yourself.

Well, i think the response given by choo choo was a bit extreme, obviously, and this was an overreaction to it. I just want to know where you got your data from.

First off, yes I do live in the American South, however I would not what one would consider, a hillbilly. Actually I don't watch Fox News. Wow, a bimbo that wants me dead because I'm "ugly" (see my post about Goldenhar), is telling me once again I should be shot into the sun. I find that ironic. You are trying to save the planet, and yet you want to use rocket fuel (burning more fuel) to send people like myself to the sun. Not to mention rocket also puts out alot of pollution. I think you just owned yourself.
They use liquified hydrogen and liquified oxygen which are combined to produce massive amounts of energy for lift off and water vapour... nothing much else.

Well, i think the response given by choo choo was a bit extreme, obviously, and this was an overreaction to it. I just want to know where you got your data from.

I really don't know, I just heard it on the radio a while back. You know, this whole "oil running out" thing can be another scam. I mean if the people providing the oil "finds" out that its "running out" then they should be able to jack up the price even more and fill their greedy pocket.

Did I say that?
But, yes, there is some truth to it. Food shortages are a political thing, not a geographical thing. There is plenty of food for everybody on the planet to eat... its just that rich countries like the U.S. buy most of it to feed to its animals which reduce a tonne of healthy, nutritious food available to everybody into about 10 grams of unhealthy, fattening meat available to the rich minority.

And that has precisely dick to do with fat people eating too much.

I really don't know, I just heard it on the radio a while back. You know, this whole "oil running out" thing can be another scam. I mean if the people providing the oil "finds" out that its "running out" then they should be able to jack up the price even more and fill their greedy pocket.

to my knowledge they're already jacking the price up in most states x . x (or at least they are in mine)

Well, i think the response given by choo choo was a bit extreme, obviously, and this was an overreaction to it. I just want to know where you got your data from.
Actually... it wasn't extreme because it wasn't serious =P
If you think I meant that ugly and fat people should be sterilised... then you're not real good at detecting the very common use of comical extremes used on forums. I alternate between seriousness and comical extremes a lot... and it's not that hard to detect. Just keep your eye out for it, I suppose.

They use liquified hydrogen and liquified oxygen which are combined to produce massive amounts of energy for lift off and water vapour... nothing much else.

three words: Soild Rocket Booster.

FYI: You are coming off as a dick, and a shallow bimbo, please either make more conviencing argument or be quiet.

Actually... it wasn't extreme because it wasn't serious =P
If you think I meant that ugly and fat people should be sterilised... then you're not real good at detecting the very common use of comical extremes used on forums. I alternate between seriousness and comical extremes a lot... and it's not that hard to detect. Just keep your eye out for it, I suppose.

i know you weren't being serious, lol, it's just the responses people come up with tend to be a bit on the nutsy side and i'm just trying to talk without getting huge overreacted half joking statements from which people get aggravated =P

I mean if you like aggravating people that's cool, it's amusing enough, i just try to avoid it personally.

Fat people make me sick.

It could be classified as a mental disability, I suppose...

Ok, let me put it this way : I am overweighed, even though I don't drive a 4W (in fact, I don't drive at all, I walk) and I still fit in airline seats no problem. I just can't figure out why I should consider myself as disabled???

Just a quick reply to this thread: what the fuck?

"Fat people did it to themselves!" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes, an increasing number of Americans are morbidly obese as a result of overeating, but many of them are just fat anyway. Why? Well they just must not be trying hard enough!

Ugh. I'm fat. I always have been. When I was little, I played outside all the time and my parents limited my food. Eating more food and getting less exercise, my brother always stayed thinner than I was. Now at college, I eat every meal with my friends. We do the same amount of physical activity but somehow I'm not miraculously the same weight they are! Perhaps, just possibly, almost, people who are overweight, even with diet and exercise, just have a different body chemistry? Maybe?

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING MYSTERY, PEOPLE!

ALL FAT PPL R MORANS WHO SLURP BURGERS FROM MCDONALDS GO EAT ANOTHER CINNIBON FATTY.

Give me a break.

Fat people make me sick.

Then don't eat so many.

Only the overweight people who are ashamed of their size try to blame other people for it, people like me (and there is more of them than you might think) take pride in our size and know quite well that we are responsible for it, but we don't care. Also, most health problems associated with high weight are actually caused by large people trying too hard to lose the weight and burning their bodies out in the process. A study was done by a clinic here in Australia that monitered the health of five people weighing over 200 kilos who were making no attempt to lose weight and five people who weighed just under 100 kilos who tried furiously to lose weight, they found that afyer three years the former were in almost perfect health, while the latter were suffering from heart conditions and diabetes
and a whole host of conditions we we believe being of a high weight in itself causes. Now I know that may not be convincing enough for you but get this, just three months ago the Centre for Disease Control announced that when compiling their annual fatality statistics, they immediatly assumed that all people of a high BMI died as a result of their weight unless specificly corrected, this resulted in a discrepancy of almost 40 to 65 percent in last years study.

Just a quick reply to this thread: what the fuck?

"Fat people did it to themselves!" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes, an increasing number of Americans are morbidly obese as a result of overeating, but many of them are just fat anyway. Why? Well they just must not be trying hard enough!

Ugh. I'm fat. I always have been. When I was little, I played outside all the time and my parents limited my food. Eating more food and getting less exercise, my brother always stayed thinner than I was. Now at college, I eat every meal with my friends. We do the same amount of physical activity but somehow I'm not miraculously the same weight they are! Perhaps, just possibly, almost, people who are overweight, even with diet and exercise, just have a different body chemistry? Maybe?

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING MYSTERY, PEOPLE!

ALL FAT PPL R MORANS WHO SLURP BURGERS FROM MCDONALDS GO EAT ANOTHER CINNIBON FATTY.

Give me a break.

Yes. There's this amazing bodily process known as "metabolism" that a lot of people are unaware of.

I also walk to get around, I don't even have a car, I take the bus for long trips, you should here the abuse I get there :rolleyes:

three words: Soild Rocket Booster.

FYI: You are coming off as a dick, and a shallow bimbo, please either make more conviencing argument or be quiet.
FYI... hahaha. And you're calling me a bimbo?

I'm not a bimbo, I'm an educated, informed and aware individual who has had enough of fat, consumerist idiot americans who show no regard for the rest of the world, or even themselves, and cant for the life of them show some restraint in their actions.
You scream bloody murder when somebody so much as hints at you cutting something out of your diet, or restricting the fuel consumption of your car, or anything that is going to limit your 'freedoms'. However, you dont seem to give a rats arse when multinational corporations and your government totally fuck you over and make you live in constant fear of evil foriegners and their terrorism.
You know what the greatest tools for control of the masses are? Religion and fear... and most religions are founded on exploiting the ignorant masses' fear of death.

Add the Internet fuckwad theory to it (cant be bothered finding the link... basically the formula is something like [normal person + anonymity = complete fuckwad]) I am expressing my views in a naziesque fashion. But that doesnt mean you should ignore what I'm saying... there is something to be learnt in my abusive, drunk ramblings.

Actually when I went to the states, jesus christ, the food in the restaraunts came mounded on the plates. Now I am from Cattle Country Canada, but even we don't need that much food. Shit one 10 pound Turkey lasts somewhere between 15-18 people at christmas in my family. Now after my little visit to the states I must say all the fattest of fat people lingered around McDonalds and other fast food restaurants (but mostly McDonalds). I am absolutely disgusted by how people seem to be able to pack in what seems like and English Long Tonne of food into their already obese bodies, and then convincing their children its healthy to do the same.

Oh and the post above me, I agree whole heartedly and the theory is:
Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Complete Fuckwad (god I love PA)

Just a quick reply to this thread: what the fuck?

"Fat people did it to themselves!" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yes, an increasing number of Americans are morbidly obese as a result of overeating, but many of them are just fat anyway. Why? Well they just must not be trying hard enough!

Ugh. I'm fat. I always have been. When I was little, I played outside all the time and my parents limited my food. Eating more food and getting less exercise, my brother always stayed thinner than I was. Now at college, I eat every meal with my friends. We do the same amount of physical activity but somehow I'm not miraculously the same weight they are! Perhaps, just possibly, almost, people who are overweight, even with diet and exercise, just have a different body chemistry? Maybe?

THIS ISN'T A FUCKING MYSTERY, PEOPLE!

ALL FAT PPL R MORANS WHO SLURP BURGERS FROM MCDONALDS GO EAT ANOTHER CINNIBON FATTY.

Give me a break.

Actually, you're right. Some people's bodies just "use" nutrition more effectively than other's. Which used to be a good thing ages ago, as it guaranteed survival if there was a shortage of food. Times have changes faster than evolution could react, as now there is more food available than needed in first world countries. But our bodies still follow the old routine... Yeah, sure, you can force your body to slim down, you can exercise and only eat two carrots a day, but where's the fun in that? I never saw the point in dying healthy

I don't have Mc Donalds, their food disgusts me, when I eat something, I want it to be good, I go for quality, not quantity.

i know you weren't being serious, lol, it's just the responses people come up with tend to be a bit on the nutsy side and i'm just trying to talk without getting huge overreacted half joking statements from which people get aggravated =P

I mean if you like aggravating people that's cool, it's amusing enough, i just try to avoid it personally.
Yay! *hugs
I like you :fluffle:
You're all... not fucking stupid and stuff.

Actually, it's been shown that overweight people for the most part do in fact eat just as much if not less (Due to stigmatism) as regulare weight folk.

Being trapped on an island with a fat man and eating him won't last you as long as you expect., due to the fact that the extra weight is just that. Fat. And fat is not good to eat in excess, you'll wind up with just as much meat as you would with a regular person.

And there are plenty of people who find fat women attractive. Type "BBW" into a search engine. Take a fat chick to Mexico, or Jamaica, and watch her get hit on. Hell, if fat people weren't attractive, they wouldn't be breeding in America, or anywhere else.

Then don't eat so many.
LOL, good one.

Actually, it's been shown that overweight people for the most part do in fact eat just as much if not less (Due to stigmatism) as regulare weight folk.

Being trapped on an island with a fat man and eating him won't last you as long as you expect., due to the fact that the extra weight is just that. Fat. And fat is not good to eat in excess, you'll wind up with just as much meat as you would with a regular person.

And there are plenty of people who find fat women attractive. Type "BBW" into a search engine. Take a fat chick to Mexico, or Jamaica, and watch her get hit on. Hell, if fat people weren't attractive, they wouldn't be breeding in America, or anywhere else.
Which brings me back to my original flamebait post.
Edit: Which was so convientally quoted by the idiot in the following post.

FYI... hahaha. And you're calling me a bimbo?

I'm not a bimbo, I'm an educated, informed and aware individual who has had enough of fat, consumerist idiot americans who show no regard for the rest of the world, or even themselves, and cant for the life of them show some restraint in their actions.
You scream bloody murder when somebody so much as hints at you cutting something out of your diet, or restricting the fuel consumption of your car, or anything that is going to limit your 'freedoms'. However, you dont seem to give a rats arse when multinational corporations and your government totally fuck you over and make you live in constant fear of evil foriegners and their terrorism.
You know what the greatest tools for control of the masses are? Religion and fear... and most religions are founded on exploiting the ignorant masses' fear of death.

Add the Internet fuckwad theory to it (cant be bothered finding the link... basically the formula is something like [normal person + anonymity = complete fuckwad]) I am expressing my views in a naziesque fashion. But that doesnt mean you should ignore what I'm saying... there is something to be learnt in my abusive, drunk ramblings.

Intelligent HA! Your the same idiot who said that fat, and ugly people should be sterile just because they were fat or ugly. I found that statement highly offensive, I think you need to shut up now.

Just in case you "forgot" what you posted.

Fat should cause people to be revolted, just like ugly should be. It's a survival mechanism all species have, its just sad that humans are loosing it. We need to strengthen our gene pool! I propose mandatory steralisation of all fat and ugly people!


</flamebait> I'm not a dickhead, honest =s

Then don't eat so many.

Hahaha.

You win the thread.

Yes, my vote for thread winner goes to the person in the red jacket who said that.

I'm not a bimbo, I'm an educated, informed and aware individual who has had enough of fat, consumerist idiot americans who show no regard for the rest of the world, or even themselves, and cant for the life of them show some restraint in their actions.
You scream bloody murder when somebody so much as hints at you cutting something out of your diet, or restricting the fuel consumption of your car, or anything that is going to limit your 'freedoms'. However, you dont seem to give a rats arse when multinational corporations and your government totally fuck you over and make you live in constant fear of evil foriegners and their terrorism.
You know what the greatest tools for control of the masses are? Religion and fear... and most religions are founded on exploiting the ignorant masses' fear of death.

Add the Internet fuckwad theory to it (cant be bothered finding the link... basically the formula is something like [normal person + anonymity = complete fuckwad]) I am expressing my views in a naziesque fashion. But that doesnt mean you should ignore what I'm saying... there is something to be learnt in my abusive, drunk ramblings.

I agree with you, and i apologise if it seemed like i was questioning the legitimacy of your statements. I think that societally America is very based around 'me', personal gain over the interests of the whole. Our own government is very based around corporations (i'm american myself). And i agree that people tend to make a lot of excuses and go through a lot of PC crap instead of either explaining the truth / facts or making the effort to improve themselves.

My point was more that by stating the extreme view you spawn more conflict then intelligent debate, as you get more extreme reactions.

I agree with you, and i apologise if it seemed like i was questioning the legitimacy of your statements. I think that societally America is very based around 'me', personal gain over the interests of the whole. Our own government is very based around corporations (i'm american myself). And i agree that people tend to make a lot of excuses and go through a lot of PC crap instead of either explaining the truth / facts or making the effort to improve themselves.

My point was more that by stating the extreme view you spawn more conflict then intelligent debate, as you get more extreme reactions.
Well it is that problem with the American psyche that has spawned this obesity epidemic. While I dont like generalising for any nationality, American culture is based on "I'll do what the fuck I want, and I dont care what the consequences of it are for both myself and others"

I think people need to exercise some sort of self-constraint and need to be able to see that the way they do things may be wrong and ultimately unsustainable, rather than yelling and screaming at anyone who says that they should stop it before it damages themselves and the people around them.

Well it is that problem with the American psyche that has spawned this obesity epidemic. While I dont like generalising for any nationality, American culture is based on "I'll do what the fuck I want, and I dont care what the consequences of it are for both myself and others"

I think people need to exercise some sort of self-constraint and need to be able to see that the way they do things may be wrong and ultimately unsustainable, rather than yelling and screaming at anyone who says that they should stop it before it damages themselves and the people around them.

Then how do you explain the statement that "ugly" people should be forced sterilized? Who are you to say that "ugly" people should be sterilized just because they are "ugly". Who died and made you God?


Fat should cause people to be revolted, just like ugly should be. It's a survival mechanism all species have, its just sad that humans are loosing it. We need to strengthen our gene pool! I propose mandatory steralisation of all fat and ugly people!


</flamebait> I'm not a dickhead, honest =s

Well it is that problem with the American psyche that has spawned this obesity epidemic. While I dont like generalising for any nationality, American culture is based on "I'll do what the fuck I want, and I dont care what the consequences of it are for both myself and others"

Yes, that is the basis of our culture. And we are not changing it.

I think people need to exercise some sort of self-constraint and need to be able to see that the way they do things may be wrong and ultimately unsustainable, rather than yelling and screaming at anyone who says that they should stop it before it damages themselves and the people around them.

I really don't yell and scream when people tell me to stop doing things. I just ignore them.

And to the people around me, and future generations. Fuck you. You can't stop me.

Then how do you explain the statement that "ugly" people should be forced sterilized? Who are you to say that "ugly" people should be sterilized just because they are "ugly". Who died and made you God?
Holy crap... How many times do I have to say it?
I didnt mean it! It was an example of a device used by many people... where an obviously stupid and extreme action is reccommended to solve a 'problem' that is usually over dramatised as well. It can be comedic, the only problem is over sensitive idiots like yourself get all uptight about it.

Well it is that problem with the American psyche that has spawned this obesity epidemic. While I dont like generalising for any nationality, American culture is based on "I'll do what the fuck I want, and I dont care what the consequences of it are for both myself and others"

I think people need to exercise some sort of self-constraint and need to be able to see that the way they do things may be wrong and ultimately unsustainable, rather than yelling and screaming at anyone who says that they should stop it before it damages themselves and the people around them.

Unfortunately that's the trend that's currently prominent in america... and i can't say that the country wasn't always based on consumerism and economic self interests, but it wasn't always as bad as it is now, and the best way to convince people that what they're doing is wrong is usually to present the data in as unbiased a fashion as possible. Let people know they're wrong in a way that doesn't make them feel like they have to get defensive about being wrong, or completely disregard your argument because it doesn't fit in with their view of the world.

(as has been blatantly displayed by some in this very topic x . x )

Yes, that is the basis of our culture. And we are not changing it.



I really don't yell and scream when people tell me to stop doing things. I just ignore them.

And to the people around me, and future generations. Fuck you. You can't stop me.
Well it is that attitude that is going to be the downfall of the American empire. Global powers never last forever, and ones with incredibly selfish and unsustainable cultures like that wont see their 100th birthday.
And no, I haven't seen past the possibility that you're doing exactly what I was doing... however what you said is in fact what a lot of people really think.
God I'm sick of this thread, I go home now.

Holy crap... How many times do I have to say it?
I didnt mean it! It was an example of a device used by many people... where an obviously stupid and extreme action is reccommended to solve a 'problem' that is usually over dramatised as well. It can be comedic, the only problem is over sensitive idiots like yourself get all uptight about it.

Welll excuse me, but I'm one of the "ugly" people that you targeted in your comment, so excuse me for getting uptight when an idiot on the forum tells me I should have my two lucky charms chopped because I'm ugly. I am done with you, you need to grow up and get your head out of your ass.

I realize that I'm an outsider in this discussion as non-American, but in my opinion, the whole problem is the fact that Americans generally regard "freedom" as exclusively their own freedom, without any regard to the freedom of other people and without accepting the responsibility that comes with being free. You're free to decide if you want to be fat or not, but you then are the only person responsible for the consequences. You simply can't blame it on other people.

I've only been the the US once. What really REALLY shocked me there was how cheap and easy it was to get junk food and garbage that was so way below the standards I was used to that I couldn't believe it; and how much you had to pay in comparison for good, healthy food.

Well it is that attitude that is going to be the downfall of the American empire. Global powers never last forever, and ones with incredibly selfish and unsustainable cultures like that wont see their 100th birthday.

Yeah, but that will happen after I'm dead. So why should I give a fuck.

In any event, all empires fall eventually, why prolong the inevitable?

(Though I would like to be around when the Chinese are the number one power and they start settling scores with Europe.)

I realize that I'm an outsider in this discussion as non-American, but in my opinion, the whole problem is the fact that Americans generally regard "freedom" as exclusively their own freedom, without any regard to the freedom of other people and without accepting the responsibility that comes with being free. You're free to decide if you want to be fat or not, but you then are the only person responsible for the consequences. You simply can't blame it on other people.

I've only been the the US once. What really REALLY shocked me there was how cheap and easy it was to get junk food and garbage that was so way below the standards I was used to that I couldn't believe it; and how much you had to pay in comparison for good, healthy food.
I'm just an angry Australian who has seen our shitty government try and make our country a state of the U.S. when everybody wants us to distance ourselves from the godforsaken place.... and we're on the other fucking side of the world.

I'm just an angry Australian who has seen our shitty government try and make our country a state of the U.S. when everybody wants us to distance ourselves from the godforsaken place.... and we're on the other fucking side of the world.

I thought Australia was a democracy?

I thought Australia was a democracy?
Yeah, we are. Bu our democratic standards are nearing U.S. lows.
Nobody wanted the free trade agreement, survey apon survey apon survey has shown it... and even though there was an election before it went ahead, the government didnt advertise that it was going to put it through if they werent elected. Instead, they preyed on the ignorant suburban masses and made out like the outcome of the election was going to have an immediate effect on local interest rates (it really doesnt) and advertised heavily that a vote for the opposition was a vote for higher interest rates. What has happened since the got in? Interest rates have risen, because it has shit all to do with who's in power. God I fucking hate Liberal (yes, they are the conservative party). Nobody here wanted the war, he involved us in a war. Nobody wanted a free trade agreement with America, he gave us a free trade agreement. Nobody wanted tax cuts, he gave us tax cuts. Nobody wanted closer ties with America, he's making us closer than ever. Everybody here wants us to sign Kyoto, and he's not going to. Yet the ignorant masses that make up most of this shitty country just didnt see that their vote for liberal endorsed all these actions... instead they were shit scared that interest rates were going to go up... something as stupid, out of control of the governmetn and ultimately insignificant as interest rates made them vote liberal.
God, such idiots.

I'm just an angry Australian who has seen our shitty government try and make our country a state of the U.S. when everybody wants us to distance ourselves from the godforsaken place.... and we're on the other fucking side of the world.

Well, here it's not the governments, it's big bullying corporations that are pushing themselves into the market, thus americanising the place. Who wants to see a McDonalds on the Eiffel Tower??? Trouble is, people are accepting it an taking their money there...

Well, here it's not the governments, it's big bullying corporations that are pushing themselves into the market, thus americanising the place. Who wants to see a McDonalds on the Eiffel Tower??? Trouble is, people are accepting it an taking their money there...
Man, the French are so cool, simply because your government doesn't kiss bush's arse like so many other global leaders do, hence increasing his bloated head.
It's a shame about the corporations though... I thought the French took a harder stand against supporting them?

the whole situation is a bit scary... kinda makes you wonder what you can do about it... and then blowing things up comes to mind... (just kidding for all you paranoid or FBI types) =P

mmm... fight club ^^ <3

Yeah, we are. Bu our democratic standards are nearing U.S. lows.
Nobody wanted the free trade agreement, survey apon survey apon survey has shown it... and even though there was an election before it went ahead, the government didnt advertise that it was going to put it through if they werent elected. Instead, they preyed on the ignorant suburban masses and made out like the outcome of the election was going to have an immediate effect on local interest rates (it really doesnt) and advertised heavily that a vote for the opposition was a vote for higher interest rates. What has happened since the got in? Interest rates have risen, because it has shit all to do with who's in power. God I fucking hate Liberal (yes, they are the conservative party). Nobody here wanted the war, he involved us in a war. Nobody wanted a free trade agreement with America, he gave us a free trade agreement. Nobody wanted tax cuts, he gave us tax cuts. Nobody wanted closer ties with America, he's making us closer than ever. Everybody here wants us to sign Kyoto, and he's not going to. Yet the ignorant masses that make up most of this shitty country just didnt see that their vote for liberal endorsed all these actions... instead they were shit scared that interest rates were going to go up... something as stupid, out of control of the governmetn and ultimately insignificant as interest rates made them vote liberal.
God, such idiots.


Maybe - and this is just a thought - if you spent more time yelling at your fellow countrymen, and less time being pissed off with the US (which is made up of people like me who don't even give a shit what their fellow countrymen think), you might have more sucess in changing the world to your liking.

Saying that, I doubt any of it will matter anyway. Personally I agree with you about fatties, but moreso because I don't find them aesthetically pleasing rather than out of any concern for the environment. I've also noticed that poor people tend to be the most obese people, so logically the answer is to eliminate food stamps. But whenever I suggest that, people fly off the handle and compare me to Hitler. It's a battle you just can't win.

Man, the French are so cool, simply because your government doesn't kiss bush's arse like so many other global leaders do, hence increasing his bloated head.
It's a shame about the corporations though... I thought the French took a harder stand against supporting them?

I'm not French, sorry. Born in Austria, grew up in Germany, now living in Ireland. But neither Germany nor Ireland are supporting Bush, so I'll just pocket that compliment ;)

I do know that McDonalds were making a bit to get a restaurant on the Eiffel Tower, though. Luckily, it was declined. The French are very protective of their language, food and culture, but not even they could stop American corporations from buying into their country. Might even be getting a bit worse now with the EU legislation.

I've also noticed that poor people tend to be the most obese people, so logically the answer is to eliminate food stamps. But whenever I suggest that, people fly off the handle and compare me to Hitler.

poor people obese? er... i've never noticed that...

poor people obese? er... i've never noticed that...
If they didnt eat meat then they would have more money, and be less fat.
Yay.
Perhaps food stamps shouldn't include meat.

I've also noticed that poor people tend to be the most obese people, so logically the answer is to eliminate food stamps. But whenever I suggest that, people fly off the handle and compare me to Hitler. It's a battle you just can't win.

I've only been the the US once. What really REALLY shocked me there was how cheap and easy it was to get junk food and garbage that was so way below the standards I was used to that I couldn't believe it; and how much you had to pay in comparison for good, healthy food. I guess that would explain why poorer people tend to be obese... they can't afford the healthy option and have to live of the crab

poor people obese? er... i've never noticed that...

Yeah, it's always the poor that are fucking porkers. Check out the whales that are on disability and shit.

For God's sake man, have you never seen the Jerry Springer show.

The fastest way to weight reduction in this country would be to cut out food stamps.

If they didnt eat meat then they would have more money, and be less fat.
Yay.
Perhaps food stamps shouldn't include meat.

i can understand the bad points about meat, but you should make sure that people get other things with protein in them

Yeah, it's always the poor that are fucking porkers. Check out the whales that are on disability and shit.

For God's sake man, have you never seen the Jerry Springer show.

The fastest way to weight reduction in this country would be to cut out food stamps.
Haha, you're horrible =P

If they didnt eat meat then they would have more money, and be less fat.
Yay.
Perhaps food stamps shouldn't include meat.

Just fucking abolish them. That would be the end of it. Though your thought about not including meat certianly goes in the right direction.

(Holy fuck, I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with a labor party supporter - you do support the labor party right?)

Yeah, it's always the poor that are fucking porkers. Check out the whales that are on disability and shit.

For God's sake man, have you never seen the Jerry Springer show.

The fastest way to weight reduction in this country would be to cut out food stamps.

generally i tend to avoid watching the kerry springer show, lol, it's funny, but... eh, just kinda freaks me out i guess.

i can understand the bad points about meat, but you should make sure that people get other things with protein in them
Food with high protein leeches the calcium out of your bones.
Besides, pretty much all people in developed countries get about 10x the protein they need.

Just fucking abolish them. That would be the end of it. Though your thought about not including meat certianly goes in the right direction.

(Holy fuck, I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with a labor party supporter - you do support the labor party right?)
The Australian one, yes?
Pfft, they're better than Liberal but they're still idiots.
The Greens are the only polititians who aren't raving lunatics.

I've only been the the US once. What really REALLY shocked me there was how cheap and easy it was to get junk food and garbage that was so way below the standards I was used to that I couldn't believe it; and how much you had to pay in comparison for good, healthy food. I guess that would explain why poorer people tend to be obese... they can't afford the healthy option and have to live of the crab

Well actually, vegetables and shit are pretty cheap in the US. Unfortunately, the poor see no upside in consuming them.

You see, a lot of the poor in this country are lazy, and so won't prepare food from scratch, whereas a lot of the middle and upper middle class actually enjoy cooking.

This causes the poor to spend all their food money on Cheezy-poofs and other pre-made sundries. Thus making them fat.

A while back the government used to actually provide free classes on what to eat and how to prepare it, but it didn't take. Indeed the simple message that buying frozen pre-made cheeseburgers may be bad for your girlish figure was largely ignored. So I say more drastic action is needed. No more food stamps.

Food with high protein leeches the calcium out of your bones.
Besides, pretty much all people in developed countries get about 10x the protein they need.

fair enough, it's really most important when you're doing heavy labor or the like, so i guess most people don't really need as much in developed countries anyway.

The Australian one, yes?
Pfft, they're better than Liberal but they're still idiots.
The Greens are the only polititians who aren't raving lunatics.

Are they like the greens in the UK?

Well actually, vegetables and shit are pretty cheap in the US. Unfortunately, the poor see no upside in consuming them.

You see, a lot of the poor in this country are lazy, and so won't prepare food from scratch, whereas a lot of the middle and upper middle class actually enjoy cooking.

This causes the poor to spend all their food money on Cheezy-poofs and other pre-made sundries. Thus making them fat.


I think what you're neglecting is the fact that a lot of poor people have to put in a lot of time in low paying jobs to make ends meet and so don't have time to cook or are too tired to cook when they come home. While i can see the 'not having food stamps' as an incentive to not take the quick way out, i think just making food stamps more specific would be a better solution

I'm probably also making an ass out of myself because i really don't know how food stamps work. mmm... *stupidity* *apologizes in advance*

Are they like the greens in the UK?
I dont know, perhaps...
The U.K. has food stamps? I thought they had the dole like us (i.e. australia).
I think getting rid of them could have negative consquences, especially for a place like the U.K., I think putting limits on the kind of things they can buy would be a better solution.

I think what you're neglecting is the fact that a lot of poor people have to put in a lot of time in low paying jobs to make ends meet and so don't have time to cook or are too tired to cook when they come home. While i can see the 'not having food stamps' as an incentive to not take the quick way out, i think just making food stamps more specific would be a better solution

I'm probably also making an ass out of myself because i really don't know how food stamps work. mmm... *stupidity* *apologizes in advance*

I can tell you that some of the programs are foods specific. For example, some items noted as WIC approved, which is a type of food stamp program for kids.

The trouble is things like kellogs fruit loops are WIC approved. I mean, WTF, that's like a $5 box of sugar. Yeah lady, just shovel sugar down your four year old's throat, that won't make them fat, not at all.

And it is all over the country. Last summer when I was staying with friends in Maine, we saw the Mainers paying for frozen White Castle Burgers with Food stamps.

Yet techincally, all these things are regulated already.

I can tell you that some of the programs are foods specific. For example, some items noted as WIC approved, which is a type of food stamp program for kids.

The trouble is things like kellogs fruit loops are WIC approved. I mean, WTF, that's like a $5 box of sugar. Yeah lady, just shovel sugar down your four year old's throat, that won't make them fat, not at all.

And it is all over the country. Last summer when I was staying with friends in Maine, we saw the Mainers paying for frozen White Castle Burgers with Food stamps.

Yet techincally, all these things are regulated already.

I can see how you would be against that, but why not just reform the system we have? It's like the social security issue, we could fix the system we have without going to this other system that neglects the other people who receive social security benefits

I dont know, perhaps...
The U.K. has food stamps? I thought they had the dole like us (i.e. australia).
I think getting rid of them could have negative consquences, especially for a place like the U.K., I think putting limits on the kind of things they can buy would be a better solution.

I am not from the UK either. It's just the only green party I happen to know anything about.

I know there is one in the US, but I have no idea who they are or what they do. I think there are only two members in any case.

In the US, there are already limits on what you can buy with food stamps, problem is it is impossible to enforce, and what limits there are is meaningless.

Also, if you make the limits to stringent, merchants refuse to deal with them.

Plus, lets face it, if these people are fat, logically they are getting too much nutrition in the first place. (Fat person + reduced food intake = normal person).

I don't think the free public transport helps the fatties either, for that matter.

I can see how you would be against that, but why not just reform the system we have? It's like the social security issue, we could fix the system we have without going to this other system that neglects the other people who receive social security benefits

I would argue that there is nothing wrong with the system per se. It just provides too many calories per month. Reduce the benefits, reduce the calories. Simple really.

I think food stamps for fresh fruit, vegetables and black bread in the U.K., U.S., AU and all obese nations would be the best thing.
Along with taxing the shit out of meat. Definately that as well.

I am not from the UK either. It's just the only green party I happen to know anything about.

I know there is one in the US, but I have no idea who they are or what they do. I think there are only two members in any case.

In the US, there are already limits on what you can buy with food stamps, problem is it is impossible to enforce, and what limits there are is meaningless.

Also, if you make the limits to stringent, merchants refuse to deal with them.

Plus, lets face it, if these people are fat, logically they are getting too much nutrition in the first place. (Fat person + reduced food intake = normal person).

I don't think the free public transport helps the fatties either, for that matter.

I think you're going a bit too far with the public transport bit, what, you expect them to walk everywhere? Sure it would make them more fit, but they would never get anywhere either.

So far as the unenforceable restrictions go... I think there would be those who would be willing to do it. Government benefits are generally smiled on (or at least to my knowledge)

Monitoring it would be a different matter, and i don't know how the government goes about doing that, but it could probably be done in some manner or other... (assuming of course that the government cares enough, which admittedly it probably doesn't)

*yawn

It's no fun with all this agreeing and coming to solutions and shite.

Well actually, vegetables and shit are pretty cheap in the US. Unfortunately, the poor see no upside in consuming them.

You see, a lot of the poor in this country are lazy, and so won't prepare food from scratch, whereas a lot of the middle and upper middle class actually enjoy cooking.

This causes the poor to spend all their food money on Cheezy-poofs and other pre-made sundries. Thus making them fat.

A while back the government used to actually provide free classes on what to eat and how to prepare it, but it didn't take. Indeed the simple message that buying frozen pre-made cheeseburgers may be bad for your girlish figure was largely ignored. So I say more drastic action is needed. No more food stamps.

So, food stamps can at the moment be used either for cheesburger or for veggies? I'm not really familiar with the concept...

I think food stamps for fresh fruit, vegetables and black bread in the U.K., U.S., AU and all obese nations would be the best thing.
Along with taxing the shit out of meat. Definately that as well.

Actually, I wouldn't tax meat. I would just insist that all meat produced is 'organic'.

In fact, everything should be 'organic' now that I think about it.

*yawn

It's no fun with all this agreeing and coming to solutions and shite.

= / meh, i havn't been active in a forum for years...(other than this one, obviously) and the first time i was i was an ass, so i've kinda sacraficed amusement value for some semblance of dignity... although i guess no one reads forums to actually solve things anyway so why bother... *shrugs* dunno, i've enjoyed it so far though

Oh, and by the way... I am overweiged myself. But I'm educated middle class and enjoy few things more than cooking.
It's not only uneducated, poor, food-stamps-relying lower class people, although they may be a large part of the group. So, changing the food stamp system is most likely not going to solve the problem

So, food stamps can at the moment be used either for cheesburger or for veggies? I'm not really familiar with the concept...

Yep. It's fucking ridiculous. Lazy Goddamn poor. Eat an apple for fucks sake. How hard is that?

Choo-Choo Bear, as a Labor supporting trade unionist to a Greens supporter,
go hug a tree and stop telling people how to live, especially if you just want everyone to be a hippie Vegan, hell we can't all fit into Nimbin.

Anyway, switching tacks for a moment, I think that the best thing for the western world would be for chain resteraunts like Maccas and KFC to be broken up into, at the most, medium sized local chains, then we wouldn't have all of the fast food advertising on TV and maybie the proliferation of independant eateries
will mean we can all get better quality food. Plus without competition from big chains, the small resteraunts would charge less.

Actually, I wouldn't tax meat. I would just insist that all meat produced is 'organic'.

In fact, everything should be 'organic' now that I think about it.
Meat is crap... It contributes for global famine, climate change, deforestation, obesity, a whole range of health problems and angry people.
Even if you dont care about the fact that billions of living creatures are killed each month, you cant ignore the other problems caused by it.

Organic is good, really good, but only for fruit, vegetables and grain. And no, everybody eating organic food wouldn't cause a famine. The unsustainable farming practices of today will, however.
You know that food today contains 10% of the nutrients that food had 50 years ago? This is the result of mass monoculture, it's unsustainable and stupid.
But not as stupid as the mass consumption of meat... that's just crazy.

I think you're going a bit too far with the public transport bit, what, you expect them to walk everywhere? Sure it would make them more fit, but they would never get anywhere either.

I live in NYC, you can walk almost anywhere. In fact, one Sunday I walked the whole length of Broadway, from the Yonkers boarder, to the Battery with friends just for fun.

(It took all day like, but hey they're poor, it's not like they have anything else pressing on their time).

So far as the unenforceable restrictions go... I think there would be those who would be willing to do it. Government benefits are generally smiled on (or at least to my knowledge)

Monitoring it would be a different matter, and i don't know how the government goes about doing that, but it could probably be done in some manner or other... (assuming of course that the government cares enough, which admittedly it probably doesn't)

If the restrictions get to onerous, the shops don't want to take food stamps, and the government can't make them.

If the restrictions get to onerous, the shops don't want to take food stamps, and the government can't make them.

yeah, but the government could have some type of beneficial status to those who did take them or something... *shrugs* nothing we can really do about it though

Being fat is a lifestyle choice. You make a decision to be fat. It's a sin - but Jesus doesn't hate fatties, just their fat.

I am firmly against fat marriage. I think it's ok for fatties to live together in a civil union - but actual fat marriage is against the Bible. What's even worse is when you only find out you've married a fatty after years of marriage. Imagine the horror of finding out your spouse has lived a lie. You wake up one morning and poof! Your loving wife has been replaced by a fatty. It's just not fair.

Anyway, it's 4 in the morning here, and i'm really tired. 'night people, enjoyed talkin to ya *waves to choo choo and walks the 5 feet from comp to bed*

Meat is crap... It contributes for global famine, climate change, deforestation, obesity, a whole range of health problems and angry people.
Even if you dont care about the fact that billions of living creatures are killed each month, you cant ignore the other problems caused by it.

Yeah, but I like meat in my diet. So it's staying. If all meat was produced organically however, the increase in cost would radically change the average diet, removing a lot of the problems you are talking about.

Also, what about places like Northumberland in the UK, where you really can't farm anything but sheep?

Organic is good, really good, but only for fruit, vegetables and grain. And no, everybody eating organic food wouldn't cause a famine. The unsustainable farming practices of today will, however.
You know that food today contains 10% of the nutrients that food had 50 years ago? This is the result of mass monoculture, it's unsustainable and stupid.
But not as stupid as the mass consumption of meat... that's just crazy.

I eat mostly organic food, but really just because it does actually taste a whole fuck of a lot better. The problem is, there is so much non-organic out there, often you can't always buy everything you want from organic producers. That makes me mad.

Choo-Choo Bear, as a Labor supporting trade unionist to a Greens supporter,
go hug a tree and stop telling people how to live, especially if you just want everyone to be a hippie Vegan, hell we can't all fit into Nimbin.

Anyway, switching tacks for a moment, I think that the best thing for the western world would be for chain resteraunts like Maccas and KFC to be broken up into, at the most, medium sized local chains, then we wouldn't have all of the fast food advertising on TV and maybie the proliferation of independant eateries
will mean we can all get better quality food. Plus without competition from big chains, the small resteraunts would charge less.
Why is it so insane to care about the environment?
I'm not a hippy... My family lives in Sydney, we have a new car, we use a lot of power, we eat out a lot, we have lots of electronics, we all have two showers a day, we live in a house, we all use deodorant, we go on holidays overseas.
The only difference is that we do it in a sustainable way. We pay 3 times normal electricity rates for our power to get it sourced from renewable sources, our car is a small, fuel efficient car and we only use it when public transport is not convienient, we save water in other ways, the products we buy are researched and we make sure that the money we spend on products and services isnt contributing to environmental destruction.
We also regularly donate to some 10 charities on a monthly basis.
We enjoy a high standard of living, AND we are living an environmentally sustainable lifestyle.
To be environmentally aware doesnt mean you have to live in a cave and wear dirty rags.

Goodnight, Kritchnev. *waves

We enjoy a high standard of living, AND we are living an environmentally sustainable lifestyle.
To be environmentally aware doesnt mean you have to live in a cave and wear dirty rags.

Actually, if you take a close look you will find that it is almost impossible to live an environmentally sustainable lifestyle in a first world country. If you take all factors into account (your food has to be transorted to the shop before you buy it, the clothes you buy normally made a trip twice around the world before the cotton has been turned into fashion, the donations you make wouldn't even e neccessary if the companies you buy from paid decent wages to their workers in poorer countries...)
All you can do is try and be as moderate as possible in your livestyle....

Well thats good for you, but other people may disagree, all I am saying is that you should be able to live your life without other people trying to force their beleifs on you, be they a bible thumping, right-wing nutjob or a tree-hugging, meat hating "environmentalist". Thats my idea of true freedom.

So eat, drink, be merry and have a good night everyone! :)

could they be resued?
You couldn't sue them in the first place.

You couldn't sue them in the first place.

I think he meant "reused". I believe they are recyclable.

In all truthfullness, i think that overweight people shouldn't get any special benefits. It is ridiculous for them to claim it as a disease. Eat less, work out more, it isn't that complicated. I don't hate far people, but i hate it when they blame someone else for them being overweight. I also hate it when i have to sit next to them at a football game or on an airplane. Rolls of fat hanging over the armrests is not that awesome. This brings up another point. Poeple that don't fit within a (using this as an example) airplane seat, without taking part of the neighboring seats, should be required to pay for more seats. For them to take part of my seat is not fair.
(I am going to ignore any claims in this thread that its your genes that make you fat, that is bullcrap)


I agree about people not getting special benefits for being fat and unhealthy from not exercising and having a bad diet. Thats what it basically comes down to.

Yes you can still have high cholesterol, high blood pressure etc.. and not be fat. Being anorexic or bulimic is far worse , far quicker.

Main thing is we need to take care of our gut. Majority of all later health probelms are related to our previous and present diet. Don't eat right for 20 years?.. not enough fiber or protien.. too much fat?... you are going to pay.. common sense.

Ofcourse ther are always the acception that get by with smoking, drinking, eating etc all they want and live to a ripe old age pretty healthy until they croak in their sleep peacefuly... but they are an acception.

Eat your veggies.. bran.. beans.. greens.. fruit.

Both of my parents are obese. Thanks for insulting them.

This may be my favorite topic ever.
In the history of the world.
We should record it and send it into space, in hopes of making first contact with an alien species.

Both of my parents are obese. Thanks for insulting them.
The goal is to make fun of them until they either lose weight or die. Then we don't have to look at their disgusting bodies.

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Originally Posted by Choo-Choo Bear
We enjoy a high standard of living, AND we are living an environmentally sustainable lifestyle.
To be environmentally aware doesnt mean you have to live in a cave and wear dirty rags.


Actually, if you take a close look you will find that it is almost impossible to live an environmentally sustainable lifestyle in a first world country. If you take all factors into account (your food has to be transorted to the shop before you buy it, the clothes you buy normally made a trip twice around the world before the cotton has been turned into fashion, the donations you make wouldn't even e neccessary if the companies you buy from paid decent wages to their workers in poorer countries...)
All you can do is try and be as moderate as possible in your livestyle....


I agree with Choo-Choo Bear. There is no reason that we should have to live a more primitive lifestyle in order to live in an enviromentally sustainable fashion. There is SO much technology out there that can be put to use to reduce our impact on the earth. Hydroponics, new-agriculture, recycling, nano-technology, SOLAR-ELECTRIC ENERGY, and much more technologies need investment to become practical enough for fossil-fuel-spoiled consumers to adopt.
Energy and resource wise, we (99% of us) are all like fat people that eat unhealthily untill we will get a heart attack; and then "turn over a new leaf" to live a more healthy lifestyle that is more harder at first, but actually more than pays for itself.


Yeah, but that will happen after I'm dead. So why should I give a fuck.

In any event, all empires fall eventually, why prolong the inevitable?

(Though I would like to be around when the Chinese are the number one power and they start settling scores with Europe.)

Does the US qualify as an empire? Empires are ruled by supreme authorities. Once the supreme authorities (stagnate and) become obsolete, they fall, along with the empire.
The US, being a democracy, should be able to appoint new rulers and systems every once in a while to keep things fresh. Sure they may be swinging towards some extreme right now, but in the future there will be a change- when the change needed becomes simple enough for the average person to easily understand and take part in. Hopefully this will be as simple as voting for a new party.
It's a misconception to assume that Americans are fundamentaly selfish and uncaring. They have just adapted to a system that works for their benefit. This system in unsustainable and will become unbeneficial in the next 100 years. :p

China is like the USSR, which was an empire ruled by a supreme authority (that became obsolete.) China may seem to be more flexible because of its more capitalist system, but at its root it is still an authoritarian state. Once things 'settle down' over there, it will only be a matter of time untill their whole system is tied up, stagnates, and falls.
It's also a misconception to assume that Chinese are fundamentally self-sacrificing to the state, which would keep the authoritarian state from falling. Humans are not self-sacrificing when they have no benefit from it!

So everything is gonna work out, I think. Don't get discouraged, everyone. Canada will still come out on top.

Bump.

Because it is funny.

Fat people consume excess resources. It is unsustainable one person to eat a hectare of food (including the inefficient conversion of plants into animal flesh) per day. Add to that that fat people are selfish peices of crap that buy a whole bunch of other crap and drive everywhere in their 4WDs, I fucking hate fat people. OH MY GOD limiting what you consume isn't that hard, especially when the fate of the entire planet depends on it. And your own health, if that's all you can care about.
Same goes for self-centred skinny people too, I suppose.


Listen you, dont be so mean about overweight people. My best friend in the whole world is substancially overweight and she doesnt eat excessively at all. You seem to be saying that all overweight people are selfish pieces of crap and thats just silly. I know many skinny pieces of crap.

at least the bigger ladies out there can be wanted by some of the famous rock stars, who could have any one they desire on their [the rock stars] hiway to hell.

Has anyone seen "Supersize me"?

Has anyone seen "Supersize me"?

Yeah, it was a funny idea, but that spurlock guy is a douche, so I didn't enjoy it.

Do you recomend it?

Do you recomend it?

Not really. It's pretty repetitive, and goes over the top driving the point home.

Also, his regular Doctor - or at least the guy who is monitoring his health regularly for this process - is kinda sketchy. He looks homeless and seems a bit, well, corrupt.

It's a funny concept. Eat McDonalds for a month and fuck yourself up, but at the end of the day it doesn't really deliver on its promise.

Sure, there are funny moments, like where he throws up, but that's lost in a lot of boring trivia.

Also, the guy - Spurlock -doing the experiment, is sort of disgusting about how he eats.

Not really. It's pretty repetitive, and goes over the top driving the point home.

Also, his regular Doctor - or at least the guy who is monitoring his health regularly for this process - is kinda sketchy. He looks homeless and seems a bit, well, corrupt.

It's a funny concept. Eat McDonalds for a month and fuck yourself up, but at the end of the day it doesn't really deliver on its promise.

Sure, there are funny moments, like where he throws up, but that's lost in a lot of boring trivia.

Also, the guy - Spurlock -doing the experiment, is sort of disgusting about how he eats.
Aha...

I guess I'll rewatch "fahrenheit 9/11" then and take shots at my Bush poster with 'me gun instead.

Thanks.

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