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Ask a New Yorker

The Lagonia States
31-03-2005, 19:20
With all these stupid "Ask a *blank*" threads going around, I figured I'd let anyone ask whatever they want about the increasingly reddening, shining becon of hope and all that is well and good with America state of New York.

We are the capitol of the world, so you must have some questions for us.

To answer everyone's first question, yes, the pizza really is that good :)
Invidentia
31-03-2005, 19:42
I agree.. and as a new yorker .. i will be watching this thread closely :)
Swimmingpool
31-03-2005, 19:46
Why did your state vote for Kerry when it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists?
Red Sox Fanatics
31-03-2005, 19:50
How does it feel to have pulled off the biggest choke-job in the history of sports?
Katganistan
31-03-2005, 19:50
*resident of NYC here*

Heh -- Be glad to help out here, too.
Invidentia
31-03-2005, 19:52
Why did your state vote for Kerry when it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists?

I wake up asking myself that everyday.. but being from New York i know im very elitest.. so the democrats here probably just look down on Bush as being a texan from a hick state.. I might too if I didn't think he was an UTTER GENIOUS! (despite his inability to command the english langauge)
Cotland
31-03-2005, 19:53
Where would you reccomend that I ( a poor student ) stay when in NYC?
Haken Rider
31-03-2005, 19:58
Do you people ever use your cars?
Katganistan
31-03-2005, 20:00
Do you people ever use your cars?
Always.
Katganistan
31-03-2005, 20:01
Where would you reccomend that I ( a poor student ) stay when in NYC?

New Jersey. ;)
Gen William J Donovan
31-03-2005, 20:04
Who do you think is going to win the west side development contract?

Personally, I would like to see another power plant, because I am sick of brownouts/blackouts in the summer, and each year they get worse. (Also it's the biggest bid, so by rights it should win.)

Unfortunately, I have the feeling that Cablevision is going to get it.
Isbaniya
31-03-2005, 20:21
New Jersey. ;)

I'm not from New York....but yeah, unless you intend on staying on campus if you're at Columbia or something...stay in Jersey.
Isbaniya
31-03-2005, 20:25
Why did your state vote for Kerry when it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists?

Once again, not a New Yorker, but....Bush is an idiot. Terrorists would be less likely (Slightly, perhaps) to attack NY if Kerry was president, cuz Bush sucks and everyone hates him. In the event of an attack, Kerry would do what needed to be done. The difference between the two is that Kerry would use force when necessary, and Bush uses force when he pleases to.
Salchicho
31-03-2005, 20:27
We are the capitol of the world, so you must have some questions for us.

To answer everyone's first question, yes, the pizza really is that good :)
Actually, the capitol of he world is Fargo.

Andthe pizza in Chicago is better.
The Tribes Of Longton
31-03-2005, 20:33
Why do you always go to other New England States in Autumn, you damn Leafers! [/family guy]
Red Sox Fanatics
31-03-2005, 20:47
It figures you wouldn't resond to my question. Yankee fans are all cowards.
North Island
31-03-2005, 20:51
How much of a problem is the crime in NYC?
ProMonkians
31-03-2005, 20:52
Are the people in NY really as rude/angry as depicted in films/television shows?
Bitewaldi
31-03-2005, 20:54
Why do you hate New Jersey so much?
Isbaniya
31-03-2005, 20:54
Are the people in NY really as rude/angry as depicted in films/television shows?

I'm not from New York, but that's about as odd as asking if English people are as hot as they are depicted in films. We know they aren't. God knows most of them have disgusting teeth, but we don't see Hugh Grant and Liz Hurley and the like with nasty teeth.
Domici
31-03-2005, 20:56
Why did your state vote for Kerry when it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists?

Because it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists and we see first hand how little Bush is doing to keep us safe.

I wake up asking myself that everyday.. but being from New York i know im very elitest.. so the democrats here probably just look down on Bush as being a texan from a hick state.. I might too if I didn't think he was an UTTER GENIOUS! (despite his inability to command the english langauge)

No, it's because he's a phony Connecticut yankee who thinks that by acting like a hick he'll get the votes of the ignorant. It worked, but that just means I know exactly who he's pandering to, which is why so many of us voted against him.
Isbaniya
31-03-2005, 20:58
Because it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists and we see first hand how little Bush is doing to keep us safe.



No, it's because he's a phony Connecticut yankee who thinks that by acting like a hick he'll get the votes of the ignorant. It worked, but that just means I know exactly who he's pandering to, which is why so many of us voted against him.

Well said.
Swimmingpool
31-03-2005, 20:58
I wake up asking myself that everyday.. but being from New York i know im very elitest.. so the democrats here probably just look down on Bush as being a texan from a hick state.. I might too if I didn't think he was an UTTER GENIOUS! (despite his inability to command the english langauge)
And yours! j/k

I remember hearing lots last year from Republicans about how Bush was the only option if you wanted the government to protect you from terrorism.

Once again, not a New Yorker, but....Bush is an idiot. Terrorists would be less likely (Slightly, perhaps) to attack NY if Kerry was president, cuz Bush sucks and everyone hates him. In the event of an attack, Kerry would do what needed to be done. The difference between the two is that Kerry would use force when necessary, and Bush uses force when he pleases to.
Yes, maybe. I don't like either of them, and last year I was hoping for a Bush defeat. I was sort of asking from a pro-Bush perspective.

I really want the guy with the big red W in his signature to answer my question.
Domici
31-03-2005, 21:08
Are the people in NY really as rude/angry as depicted in films/television shows?

No. By definition polite means how one acts in the city. Since New York is The City then however we act is, by definition, polite.

You think it's rude that we honk the horn the very instant the light turns green (or when the other one turns red)?

Au Contraire we're very politely reminding you that it is time for you to move so that you don't need to waste any more of your valuable time than necessary.

You think it's rude when we shove you onto an already crowded subway car and then sqash you as we push in after you?

Not at all. We all know that we're all pressed for time in this fast paced city, so we all take it upon ourselves help you out when you're unable to find your way onto your subway car.

And because we respect such old time traditional politeness you can still hear the quaint turn-of-the-century advizement call "move your fat ass" from the days when shipment was made by horse or donkey and an unexercised one would disrupt movement throughout the city for everyone.

Understanding the true of politness of New Yorkers will ensure you a happy visit to the to our fair city. ;)
The Tribes Of Longton
31-03-2005, 21:10
Did Giuliani (sp?) clean up New York with the zero tolerance plan, or just make the police harsh.
Domici
31-03-2005, 21:12
Why do you hate New Jersey so much?

They have a town called West New York. And they think that they know how to drive in NYC streets.
Domici
31-03-2005, 21:17
Did Giuliani (sp?) clean up New York with the zero tolerance plan, or just make the police harsh.

Neither. He was blessed with a really good commisioner who knew that violent criminals we more likely than the average straphanger to try to skip over the turnstiles. Up until then everyone thought that in a city where there was so much crime that it didn't make much sense to devote resources to punishing the theft of a dollar's worth of train services that would carry on the same whether or not the turnstile was jumped. This happened at the same time as a boost in the national economy which always drives down violent crime.

Guliani didn't really understand the principle. That's why when the mayor of Mexico city asked him how to clean up there Guliani gave him such saged advice as "people who are willing to run an international drug smuggling ring won't have any moral compunctions against washing windshields with a squeegy, so if you arrest them then your crime problem will go away." And he charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for that sort of advice.
Soviet Narco State
31-03-2005, 21:30
How much of a problem is the crime in NYC?
NY is the safest of all USAs major cities. Criminals are getting to poor to live here!
Domici
31-03-2005, 21:33
Do you people ever use your cars?

Imagine this.
One building has over a hundred families living in it (we're talking a high-rise here, not a 3 bedroom house in Micronesia). Ever family has a car, and there's no parking lot.

Now imagine that EVERY part of the city you live in can be reached by traveling underground at 60 mph no matter what the traffic is like.

How often would you use a car?
Invidentia
31-03-2005, 21:51
Actually, the capitol of he world is Fargo.

Andthe pizza in Chicago is better.

not a chance in hell.. on either count

Chicago is just a low beat version of NY.. i dont know why people even go there.. its a waste of time
Markreich
31-03-2005, 21:53
Once again, not a New Yorker, but....Bush is an idiot. Terrorists would be less likely (Slightly, perhaps) to attack NY if Kerry was president, cuz Bush sucks and everyone hates him. In the event of an attack, Kerry would do what needed to be done. The difference between the two is that Kerry would use force when necessary, and Bush uses force when he pleases to.

That's not the feeling here on Madison Ave, buddy.
Markreich
31-03-2005, 21:55
Did Giuliani (sp?) clean up New York with the zero tolerance plan, or just make the police harsh.

It's cleaned up. The Dinkins regime was a joke.
Riverlund
31-03-2005, 21:59
If all the cab drivers in NYC are foreigners, how do they ever find their way around to actually take people places?
Markreich
31-03-2005, 21:59
Live in Connecticut and work in NYC.

A few points:
* New York is NOT a New England state.
* New Haven pizza is superior to every place I've gone to in Manhattan so far. Logically, it will take quite some time for me to validate this point (yum!).
* Driving in New York is only for foreigners or the insane.
* NYC is much safer, and much cleaner than it was in the 80s. Really.
Markreich
31-03-2005, 22:00
If all the cab drivers in NYC are foreigners, how do they ever find their way around to actually take people places?

That's a mystery up there with how'd they build the Pyramids. :D
Lugoslovakia
31-03-2005, 22:03
New Jersey. ;)
LOL. Agreed.
Kroblexskij
31-03-2005, 22:03
do the streets really steam, and are therer crocodiles in the sewers and are there dents in the pavement near the empire state building.
Kyleralia
31-03-2005, 22:09
The MTA this afternoon voted that the West Side Stadium will be built.

I, as a New Yorker am not very happy about this due to the fact that taxes will most likely raise and 70% of New York doesnt give a dam about some Olympics or superbowl. As for the jets the can stay where they are.
Carnivorous Lickers
31-03-2005, 22:18
How does it feel to have pulled off the biggest choke-job in the history of sports?


It hurts. It really hurts. But Boston is a worthy opponent. And how many years did they "choke" for?
The Tribes Of Longton
31-03-2005, 22:20
Live in Connecticut and work in NYC.

A few points:
* New York is NOT a New England state.

Why not? It's in the North East, it took its name from an English city....
Carnivorous Lickers
31-03-2005, 22:21
Live in Connecticut and work in NYC.

A few points:
* New York is NOT a New England state.
* New Haven pizza is superior to every place I've gone to in Manhattan so far. Logically, it will take quite some time for me to validate this point (yum!).
* Driving in New York is only for foreigners or the insane.
* NYC is much safer, and much cleaner than it was in the 80s. Really.


Please thank Rudolph Guliani for the safer and cleaner version. You can actually walk unmolested in Times Square now.
Carnivorous Lickers
31-03-2005, 22:22
It's cleaned up. The Dinkins regime was a joke.


Yes-he left us with those immortal words "Dont dis' your sis" and this helped stop the rapes of children in public swimming pools. All the evils can be solved with a catchy phrase.
Carnivorous Lickers
31-03-2005, 22:26
Once again, not a New Yorker, but....Bush is an idiot. Terrorists would be less likely (Slightly, perhaps) to attack NY if Kerry was president, cuz Bush sucks and everyone hates him. In the event of an attack, Kerry would do what needed to be done. The difference between the two is that Kerry would use force when necessary, and Bush uses force when he pleases to.

President Bush actually doesnt suck anything I'm aware of and a majority of the people dont hate him. The event of an attack is less likely with President Bush in office. kerry all but promised he would capitulate to any outside interests-wouldnt want to ruffle any one elses feather. President Bush is using force now-its necessary and he is brnging it to them, not in our cities.
Carnivorous Lickers
31-03-2005, 22:30
It figures you wouldn't resond to my question. Yankee fans are all cowards.


And Boston fans are loudmouth losers.
Domici
01-04-2005, 02:20
If all the cab drivers in NYC are foreigners, how do they ever find their way around to actually take people places?

A lot of them only know how to find places in between 125th street and Canal Street and have no idea how to take you to any of the boroughs (others just pretend that they don't because all of the business is in Manhattan). And very few of them will go beyond 125th street after dark even if you can give them directions.
Domici
01-04-2005, 02:22
President Bush actually doesnt suck anything I'm aware of and a majority of the people dont hate him. The event of an attack is less likely with President Bush in office. kerry all but promised he would capitulate to any outside interests-wouldnt want to ruffle any one elses feather. President Bush is using force now-its necessary and he is brnging it to them, not in our cities.

That's a load of crap, turn off Faux Nuze, it's rotting your brain.
Domici
01-04-2005, 02:24
It's cleaned up. The Dinkins regime was a joke.

I'll say it again, Guliani had nothing to do with cleaning up New York. To this day he has no idea how it happened. His efforts to explain it to others make no sense.

There was even a magazine here that ribbed him for it. They used the slogan "the only good thing in NYC that Rudy hasn't taken credit for."
Thomas Cranmer
01-04-2005, 02:40
Now imagine that EVERY part of the city you live in can be reached by traveling underground at 60 mph no matter what the traffic is like.


where's the lucky city with that sort of thing? and what is it called.
Sesquipedalianism
01-04-2005, 03:01
With all these stupid "Ask a *blank*" threads going around, I figured I'd let anyone ask whatever they want about the increasingly reddening, shining becon of hope and all that is well and good with America state of New York.

We are the capitol of the world, so you must have some questions for us.

To answer everyone's first question, yes, the pizza really is that good :)

You may live in the finnancial capitol of the world, But I, being from LA (West Side 4evr!!!) live in the musical capitol of the world (We sooooo had The Doors...), which is a hell of alot more important. Plus, we live in houses, rather than being stacked up 100 floors with about 4 cubic feet of living space. have fun getting your ginormous stack of people-boxes knocked over by muslims!
Orayna
01-04-2005, 03:06
LA isn't an actual city.
Domici
01-04-2005, 05:47
You may live in the finnancial capitol of the world, But I, being from LA (West Side 4evr!!!) live in the musical capitol of the world (We sooooo had The Doors...), which is a hell of alot more important. Plus, we live in houses, rather than being stacked up 100 floors with about 4 cubic feet of living space. have fun getting your ginormous stack of people-boxes knocked over by muslims!

The world would be a better place if more places followed suit.

When everything is stacked up high instead of being spread out everything is walking distance.

If places that don't have to build upwards did so anyway then we'd still have wildlife.

I dream of a future where towering cities view endless seas of pristine wilderness of grazing buffalo and running wolf packs. And, of course, the Robotech armor I mentioned in rise of the cyborgs. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8580587&highlight=robotech#post8580587)
Markreich
01-04-2005, 13:26
I'll say it again, Guliani had nothing to do with cleaning up New York. To this day he has no idea how it happened. His efforts to explain it to others make no sense.

There was even a magazine here that ribbed him for it. They used the slogan "the only good thing in NYC that Rudy hasn't taken credit for."

Look: people credit or blame a mayor for what happens during his administration. Guliani and Koch and Laguardia, IMHO, are the best mayors of NYC, ever.
Markreich
01-04-2005, 13:30
Why not? It's in the North East, it took its name from an English city....

I understand that there is a Dover in England, too, and not just in Delaware? :D

Seriously:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England

New York has a Dutch influence (Gotham, anyone?) which is mostly missing in the New England states: the original settlers of CT, RI, et al all came from the Boston/Mass colonials. In fact, the Dutch had one colony near Windor, CT, and that's *it* for New England.
Neo Cannen
01-04-2005, 13:50
We are the capitol of the world, so you must have some questions for us.


1) Spell Capital right. The way you spelt it means "An architectural term for the crown or top element of a column."

2) It's views like this which are exactly why people think Americans are arrogent
Neo Cannen
01-04-2005, 13:51
I understand that there is a Dover in England, too, and not just in Delaware? :D


Yes, it just happens to be the most important trade port in the UK, being the link to mainland Europe.
Markreich
01-04-2005, 14:06
Yes, it just happens to be the most important trade port in the UK, being the link to mainland Europe.

So you wouldnt' call Delaware a New England state, then?

(That was the whole point: a name does not a New Eng state make!)
Carnivorous Lickers
01-04-2005, 14:09
I'll say it again, Guliani had nothing to do with cleaning up New York. To this day he has no idea how it happened. His efforts to explain it to others make no sense.

There was even a magazine here that ribbed him for it. They used the slogan "the only good thing in NYC that Rudy hasn't taken credit for."


You can say it till you're blue in the face-you're still wrong. He was an aggressive,succesful prosecutor, supported the police dept, who in turn supported him and helped enforce a zero tolerance policy, that while not too strictly enforced, washed a lot of the blatant crime and scum off of the streets.
Carnivorous Lickers
01-04-2005, 14:15
I understand that there is a Dover in England, too, and not just in Delaware? :D

Seriously:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England

New York has a Dutch influence (Gotham, anyone?) which is mostly missing in the New England states: the original settlers of CT, RI, et al all came from the Boston/Mass colonials. In fact, the Dutch had one colony near Windor, CT, and that's *it* for New England.


Yeah- "Brooklyn" came from the Dutch word for Broken Land. Peter Stuyvesant-a dutchman, was the govenor of New York in the 1600s. Plenty of dutch influence besides that.
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 14:18
Did Giuliani (sp?) clean up New York with the zero tolerance plan, or just make the police harsh.


As a person who lives and works in NYC, I would say Rudy Giuliani DID clean up New York.

If you want to know who made the police overly harsh, look no further than Mike "ticket old men feeding pigeons in the park and pregnant women who sit on subway stairs because they are experiencing vertigo" Bloomberg.
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 14:21
do the streets really steam, and are therer crocodiles in the sewers and are there dents in the pavement near the empire state building.


1) Yes, in the winter, as there are steam tunnels interconnecting under Manhattan everywhere. Helps keep snow from sticking on the streets.

2) No. Just an urban myth.

3) Yes, but not from people jumping. Just the normal wear and tear of millions of people walking over the sidewalk in front of one of our most famous landmarks.
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 14:25
where's the lucky city with that sort of thing? and what is it called.

*KAt laughs*

Domici is referring to the wonderful subway -- now if only it DID move that fast during "rush hour".

No...

if only it moved at all (some days)! ;)

You want good, fast, cheap underground travel -- try the Washington D.C. (and environs) Metro.
Eynonistan
01-04-2005, 14:26
OK, I've got a question.

Where is the best Jewish delicatessen in town? I'm planning another New York trip soon and I have a hunger for pastrami and knishes :)
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 14:27
So you wouldnt' call Delaware a New England state, then?

(That was the whole point: a name does not a New Eng state make!)


Delaware and New York are properly referred to as Mid-Atlantic States.
Ugambibia
01-04-2005, 14:39
Yeah- "Brooklyn" came from the Dutch word for Broken Land. Peter Stuyvesant-a dutchman, was the govenor of New York in the 1600s. Plenty of dutch influence besides that.

That's not correct. Brooklyn was named after Breukelen, a town in the Netherlands. Same for Harlem (Haarlem)
Korarchaeota
01-04-2005, 15:02
That's not correct. Brooklyn was named after Breukelen, a town in the Netherlands. Same for Harlem (Haarlem)


And of course the whole area was called New Amsterdam before being called New York...

My question -- why does everyone presume that a "New Yorker" is from NYC? There is a great big state outside of Gotham, and we're all called New Yorkers, too! ;)
Calapa
01-04-2005, 15:33
Are you going to move to Florida when you get old? Every other New Yorker moves down here.
Stroudiztan
01-04-2005, 15:33
I don't get it? How can a magazine answer questions? The little comics are nice, though.
Markreich
01-04-2005, 15:36
Delaware and New York are properly referred to as Mid-Atlantic States.

Exactly right. :)
TiLoMa
01-04-2005, 15:41
how the hell can you be the capital of the world... you arent even the capital of the US...
The Lagonia States
01-04-2005, 16:49
OK, I've got a question.

Where is the best Jewish delicatessen in town? I'm planning another New York trip soon and I have a hunger for pastrami and knishes :)

Alot of places in Queens are excellent for that. The best delis of all types are in Little Italy, though
The Lagonia States
01-04-2005, 16:51
My question -- why does everyone presume that a "New Yorker" is from NYC? There is a great big state outside of Gotham, and we're all called New Yorkers, too! ;)

Yeah, I know! However, dispite a gigantic state, almost everyone is from NYC. The northern part of the state has alot of farmland (Did you know we're the largest dairy producing state? More than Wisconsin!)
The Lagonia States
01-04-2005, 16:52
how the hell can you be the capital of the world... you arent even the capital of the US...

We used to be
The Lagonia States
01-04-2005, 16:57
Live in Connecticut and work in NYC.

A few points:
* New York is NOT a New England state.
* New Haven pizza is superior to every place I've gone to in Manhattan so far. Logically, it will take quite some time for me to validate this point (yum!).
* Driving in New York is only for foreigners or the insane.
* NYC is much safer, and much cleaner than it was in the 80s. Really.

1. You're right, it's a Mid-Atlantic state

2. Sal's Pizza in the Bronx is actually the best, but we al have our own opinions

3. Then call me insane :) Seriously, though, I have to go in and out of the city all the time, and it's easier if you drive.

4. Definatly. Since Rudy came along, we're not too bad at all. We have the lowest crime rate among major cities in the US now!
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 16:58
how the hell can you be the capital of the world... you arent even the capital of the US...

They put the UN here, didn't they?

And New York was, in the beginning of American history, the capital of the US. ;) We're still the cultural capital, and the place most visitors enter the country.

So Nyah! ;)
Me 3
01-04-2005, 16:59
I'm going to new york, in the summer, its my first time in America. Anyway, is there any where which is really worth visiting, apart from all the famous places.
The Lagonia States
01-04-2005, 17:02
I'm going to new york, in the summer, its my first time in America. Anyway, is there any where which is really worth visiting, apart from all the famous places.

Try the pizza. Really, don't leave without trying it

Anyway, check out Yankee Stadium, the most famous address in sports, and check out St. Patrick's cathedral if you're religious or a fan of architecture.

One thing you may want to try is to see the northern four burroughs of New York. It's alot of fun to see how quickly the city-scape changes by shifting burroughs.
Korarchaeota
01-04-2005, 17:08
Yeah, I know! However, dispite a gigantic state, almost everyone is from NYC. The northern part of the state has aot of farmland (Did you know we're the largest dairy producing states?)

I know! :) I live in central New York, and drive past a dairy farm on my way into work each morning! But the farms by me are still pretty small and family run, not corporate. Cows grazing on grass, can you imagine that?

I'm just kidding, I just think it's funny when I tell folks I'm from New York, and they start asking me about the hustle and bustle and traffic and city streets, and them I show 'em pix of where I live. They also seem to be surprised that I don't sound like Fran Dresher.

(I have to agree with the folks from CT, though, New Haven pizza really is the best.)

And frankly, driving in Manhattan is really easy. It's just a big grid. If you miss a turn you just go up and over a couple of blocks and you're right back where you needed to be. You just need to be, shall we say, extremely attentive. It's a heckuva lot easier than driving in Boston, that's for sure. That said, I prefer to use the trains.

New York (ahem, the city) isn't for everyone. I, for one, could never live there. But it's a great place to go for a visit if you have a native new yorker to show you the ropes. Sure there are lots of crappy parts to it, but the places that are nice are beyond compare.
Korarchaeota
01-04-2005, 17:10
I'm going to new york, in the summer, its my first time in America. Anyway, is there any where which is really worth visiting, apart from all the famous places.


What do you like to do?
Soviet Narco State
01-04-2005, 17:14
OK, I've got a question.

Where is the best Jewish delicatessen in town? I'm planning another New York trip soon and I have a hunger for pastrami and knishes :)
Katz's. It is on East Houston Street.
You Forgot Poland
01-04-2005, 17:30
* New York is NOT a New England state.

Upstate is usually included, but NYC is lumped either with "tri-state area" or the "middle colonies."

* New Haven pizza is superior to every place I've gone to in Manhattan so far. Logically, it will take quite some time for me to validate this point (yum!).

Go to Brooklyn, jerk.

* Driving in New York is only for foreigners or the insane.

I drive in NYC.

* NYC is much safer, and much cleaner than it was in the 80s. Really.

Thank you Disney Store! (Bitches.)
You Forgot Poland
01-04-2005, 17:33
Katz's. It is on East Houston Street.

2nd Ave. Deli is also very good.
Domici
01-04-2005, 17:40
You can say it till you're blue in the face-you're still wrong. He was an aggressive,succesful prosecutor, supported the police dept, who in turn supported him and helped enforce a zero tolerance policy, that while not too strictly enforced, washed a lot of the blatant crime and scum off of the streets.

It happened while he was mayor, but he had nothing to do with it and still has no idea how it happened.

It was his commisioner who realized that you can find violent criminals by targeting turnstile jumpers. Guliani still thinks that the same logic holds true for any minor infraction like street vending without a permit or squeegying windshields.
Domici
01-04-2005, 17:43
*KAt laughs*

Domici is referring to the wonderful subway -- now if only it DID move that fast during "rush hour".

No...

if only it moved at all (some days)! ;)

You want good, fast, cheap underground travel -- try the Washington D.C. (and environs) Metro.

I guess my perspective is skewed. I never travel the subway when the sun is up. Plus it's really gone downhill since Bloomberg came in.
Korarchaeota
01-04-2005, 17:45
Upstate is usually included, but NYC is lumped either with "tri-state area" or the "middle colonies."


Upstate NY is considered part of New England?? :confused: By whom? Folks who get lost on the northway section of the thruway and think they're in Vermont???? I've never heard anyone refer to the Adirondacks as "New England..."
Domici
01-04-2005, 17:47
how the hell can you be the capital of the world... you arent even the capital of the US...

A) The UN building is here. Politically the capitals of the world are Geneva and NYC.
B) We were the original capital of the US, the Federal Building where George Washington was inaugurated is here. It's a Duane Reede drug store now. :mad:
C) Pretty much every foreigners favorable impression of the US is centered on either NYC or Hollywood.
D) The entire world cheers New Years according to the ball drop in NYC. There's nothing more pathetic than a west coaster celebrating New Years at 9:00 PM.
Domici
01-04-2005, 17:48
Look: people credit or blame a mayor for what happens during his administration. Guliani and Koch and Laguardia, IMHO, are the best mayors of NYC, ever.

OK. How come he blew up the world trade center? [/sarcasm]
Domici
01-04-2005, 17:51
As a person who lives and works in NYC, I would say Rudy Giuliani DID clean up New York.

If you want to know who made the police overly harsh, look no further than Mike "ticket old men feeding pigeons in the park and pregnant women who sit on subway stairs because they are experiencing vertigo" Bloomberg.

That's not a matter of harshness. Under Guliani the city racked up huge debts and now Bloomberg is trying to pay it off. We're probably among the top 3 most heavily taxed cities in the country and we only get back a few cents on the dollar in federal aid so now Bloomberg is doing things like giving out tickets for everything under the sun, enforcing finable "blue laws" and raising property taxes. If Pataki would just let him institute a commuter tax then we wouldn't have had these police issues. The police aren't even happy about it. They feel like their function isn't being taken seriously. Since Bloomberg came in I've actually felt sorry for cops who gave me tickets.
You Forgot Poland
01-04-2005, 18:01
Upstate NY is considered part of New England?? :confused: By whom? Folks who get lost on the northway section of the thruway and think they're in Vermont???? I've never heard anyone refer to the Adirondacks as "New England..."

Most maps I've seen go one of two ways:

Either all of New York is considered "middle colony" or "mid-atlantic" or NYC and Westchester are separated from NY and grouped in with the "tri-state area" and upstate is clumped in with New England. It depends on how many sub-areas are being recognized. Some make the break between mid-atlantic and New England along the Hudson.

I guess I should have said "sometimes" instead of "usually."
Markreich
01-04-2005, 19:37
Upstate is usually included, but NYC is lumped either with "tri-state area" or the "middle colonies."

Go to Brooklyn, jerk.

I drive in NYC.

Thank you Disney Store! (Bitches.)

You seem a bit belligerent, buddy. :p

1) No, it isn't.

2) Someday, I will. But as I work in Manhattan and don't actually KNOW Brooklyn (or anybody from Brooklyn), I haven't yet.

3) That's nice, but it's still nuts. ;)

4) Why? There's still more than enough vice to be had. :D
Markreich
01-04-2005, 19:42
OK. How come he blew up the world trade center? [/sarcasm]

:upyours:

That is the stupidest, most ignorant, and least sensitive thing I've seen on here in a long, long time. Congrats, you just earned the first finger I've ever used on NS.

I will no longer answer your posts, and at this point I actually wish you ill.
Lacadaemon
01-04-2005, 20:01
B) We were the original capital of the US, the Federal Building where George Washington was inaugurated is here. It's a Duane Reede drug store now. :mad:

I have been reading your posts with disinterest, and as a New York City resident, I have come to the conclusion that you know nothing whatsoever about NYC. I suspect you are some kid on the eastern island, who has been here once or twice on a school trip. Stop making things up.

For your edification: George Washington was inagurated at 26 Wall Street. At the time the buiding he was inagurated in front of has been built and designed to hold the Government of New York Colony. (The architect was Pierre L'Enfant.) It was used temporarily as the Nations Capital, until the Federal Goverment moved.

After, the Federal Government left, it filled a variety of purposes until 1842, when it was destroyed by fire. After this, a federal treasury building was erected on the site.

Today, the federal treasury builiding still stands - and is the only all stone building in the US - as a National Park Service site. The American Museum of the Constitution to be precise.

C) Pretty much every foreigners favorable impression of the US is centered on either NYC or Hollywood.

This is not true. Many foreigners are convinced, and with some justification, that New York is a crack-filled slum. You of course do not remember the time before Guiliani.

BTW, the police commisioner was called Bratton, and the idea was "comp-stat". Guilinani was well aware why it worked. Which is why crime continued to go down under Saffir and Kerik.

D) The entire world cheers New Years according to the ball drop in NYC. There's nothing more pathetic than a west coaster celebrating New Years at 9:00 PM.

Time differences make this implausible to say the least. Now stop giving advice about a subject where you know very little.
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 20:15
Katz's. It is on East Houston Street.

Pronounced House-tun, not Hewe-ston, for you non-natives. ;)
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 20:17
That's not a matter of harshness. Under Guliani the city racked up huge debts and now Bloomberg is trying to pay it off. We're probably among the top 3 most heavily taxed cities in the country and we only get back a few cents on the dollar in federal aid so now Bloomberg is doing things like giving out tickets for everything under the sun, enforcing finable "blue laws" and raising property taxes. If Pataki would just let him institute a commuter tax then we wouldn't have had these police issues. The police aren't even happy about it. They feel like their function isn't being taken seriously. Since Bloomberg came in I've actually felt sorry for cops who gave me tickets.

And we REAAAAALLLY need to be footing the bill for that football stadium, don't forget! :-p
Katganistan
01-04-2005, 20:19
2) Someday, I will. But as I work in Manhattan and don't actually KNOW Brooklyn (or anybody from Brooklyn), I haven't yet.
*Katganistan waves from Brooklyn*
Markreich
01-04-2005, 20:45
*Katganistan waves from Brooklyn*

*Markreich waves back from Madison Avenue*

Props.
Domici
01-04-2005, 22:11
I have been reading your posts with disinterest, and as a New York City resident, I have come to the conclusion that you know nothing whatsoever about NYC. I suspect you are some kid on the eastern island, who has been here once or twice on a school trip. Stop making things up.

Well you're making things up there yourself. I've lived in one part or another of NYC for the last 18 years, but no I wasn't born there. As far as I know there is no genetic memory connected with NYC or any other city.

For your edification: George Washington was inagurated at 26 Wall Street. At the time the buiding he was inagurated in front of has been built and designed to hold the Government of New York Colony. (The architect was Pierre L'Enfant.) It was used temporarily as the Nations Capital, until the Federal Goverment moved.

Fine, My mistake I heard it once on an NY1 piece and never bothered to check up on it. I'll defer to you on this piece of trivia. My major point was that it was the first national capital.

This is not true. Many foreigners are convinced, and with some justification, that New York is a crack-filled slum. You of course do not remember the time before Guiliani.

I clearly remember the time before Guliani. I do remember that crime was worse before he came into office. I remember that before he came into office that riding the subway at 3 AM and not getting mugged was something to be proud of. I've never argued that crime got worse during his tenure, only that to praise him for this turn around is unjustified.

BTW, the police commisioner was called Bratton, and the idea was "comp-stat". Guilinani was well aware why it worked. Which is why crime continued to go down under Saffir and Kerik.

No he was not, either that or he's a lying sack of shit, because when he gets hired by the mayors of crime ridden cities around the world he misrepresents (either naively or deliberatly, I really don't care which) the program telling them that cracking down on any low-priority crime will lead to victory over high level crime.

Time differences make this implausible to say the least. Now stop giving advice about a subject where you know very little.

When did I give advice? I haven't done so much as give directions to McSorely's or complain that St Mark's place isn't worth visiting since they opened a Gap there.

And the time differences were rather the point. People tune in to watch NYC's new years ball drop even when it isn't their new years. I'm not saying it's the highlight of the evening, it was a bit of a joke. There was no need to go and call me something so vile as a Long Islander.
Domici
01-04-2005, 22:15
:upyours:

That is the stupidest, most ignorant, and least sensitive thing I've seen on here in a long, long time. Congrats, you just earned the first finger I've ever used on NS.

I will no longer answer your posts, and at this point I actually wish you ill.

I'll admit to the lack of sensitivity, but I think that it was a good deal less ignorant than the post it was responding to which claimed that the mayor gets credit or blame for what happens during his tenure.

And for that matter the conservative christians blame the ACLU, gays, and practitioners of alternative religions for the WTC. I'd say that a sarcastic claim that if Guliani get credit for all the good things then he has to take some blame for the bad things it pretty valid.
Me 3
01-04-2005, 22:23
What do you like to do?

I like learning about the culture and feeling part of it, not like an outsider looking in.
The husk
01-04-2005, 22:46
Why did your state vote for Kerry when it is most likely to be attacked by terrorists?


you mean you actually fell for Bush's own terror tactic?
The husk
01-04-2005, 22:47
Do you people ever use your cars?

never,
its out of towners who are cloggin our streets.
The husk
01-04-2005, 22:58
How much of a problem is the crime in NYC?

Its really not bad at all.
I go to after hours clubs that stay open till after 6am (however, they're are less and less of them) and never feel unsafe walking.

But of course there are some places you have to be careful.
The Lagonia States
02-04-2005, 07:13
Go to Brooklyn, jerk.



The Bronx is still the best pizza in the world, followed by Manhattan and then Brooklyn. Outside of New York, pizza is no longer pizza
SimNewtonia
02-04-2005, 07:46
That's a mystery up there with how'd they build the Pyramids. :D

I guess it must be common with all "world-class" cities then... I personally haven't had much of a problem, but most of the cab drivers here in Sydney overcharge or take you to the wrong place at least 50% of the time.

And you wouldn't believe how many free pizzas our family got at our old place because of late deliveries (which was mostly due to the delivery guy driving right past the place!)

That said, the trains aren't much better either... I vote Sydney for World's WORST rail network!

OK, I have a question now. Do you regularly get 1/2 hour train delays/cancellations on your rail network?
Markreich
02-04-2005, 13:01
I guess it must be common with all "world-class" cities then... I personally haven't had much of a problem, but most of the cab drivers here in Sydney overcharge or take you to the wrong place at least 50% of the time.

And you wouldn't believe how many free pizzas our family got at our old place because of late deliveries (which was mostly due to the delivery guy driving right past the place!)

That said, the trains aren't much better either... I vote Sydney for World's WORST rail network!

OK, I have a question now. Do you regularly get 1/2 hour train delays/cancellations on your rail network?

Probably.

As I delivered pizza in from 1989-1992, yeah, I can. You'd be amazed how often people don't turn their house lights on, the number on the road aren't in sequence, the address on the ticket is wrong... For example, once I took a delivery to an address. The owner protested that they'd not ordered anything. Then we notice the phone number doesn't match. The person taking the order put down the WRONG TOWN on the slip!!

Trains? No. I ride on the New Haven line from Bridgeport, Connecticut to New York (Grand Central Station) every weekday. Trains are USUALLY within 5 minutes of their expected time.
The subway, however, is another story. :(
Ugambibia
02-04-2005, 13:22
The Bronx is still the best pizza in the world, followed by Manhattan and then Brooklyn. Outside of New York, pizza is no longer pizza

That's weird for something that is originally from Italy, isn't it? Since my mother is from Milano and since I've been in NY for several times, I can assure you that most NY pizza sucks in compare to the real Italian thing. :rolleyes:
Carnivorous Lickers
02-04-2005, 13:40
The Bronx is still the best pizza in the world, followed by Manhattan and then Brooklyn. Outside of New York, pizza is no longer pizza


I always felt Brooklyn had the best pizza. moved from there and spent years trying everyone elses-some real horror stories.
The good news is, I found a place in NJ that has the best pizza-perfect crust-not to flimsy,great sauce. I tell the counter girl, she tells her boss, he comes out and tells me he used to have a pizza place in Brooklyn that I went to.
Now everything is ok again.
If I could just find decent Chinese food...
Carnivorous Lickers
02-04-2005, 13:49
It happened while he was mayor, but he had nothing to do with it and still has no idea how it happened.

It was his commisioner who realized that you can find violent criminals by targeting turnstile jumpers. Guliani still thinks that the same logic holds true for any minor infraction like street vending without a permit or squeegying windshields.


Guiliani cracked down on all street people. The scruffy looking guy with the squeegee, accosting everyone that stops at a light? Thats a shake down-an intimidation-people give them money so they dont roll all over their car with their filthy clothes and scratch the side with a can opener. A big guy telling an old lady to give him $5.00 may not sound like robbery on the surface, but it is when she is clearly intimidated. Now people from out of town could walk the streetes with their children, so they came back to broadway, the museums and the Disney Store.
Street vending without a permit is bullshit-these arent poor people trying to make a buck-they are gangsters from africa selling pure shit and clogging the streets.
Zero tolerance is effective. If you grab a street vendor, its likely you'll find a whole host of other more serious violations. Dont tolerate any scum and it willfind another place to fester.
But you seem to like this scum-feel a reason to appease and tolerate it and for some reason hate a strong, decisive man that most other people admire and respect.
Katganistan
02-04-2005, 16:38
Under Guliani the city racked up huge debts and now Bloomberg is trying to pay it off.

You know, that little event that happened four years ago might have had something to do with the 'huge debts'?
The Lagonia States
02-04-2005, 21:11
You know, that little event that happened four years ago might have had something to do with the 'huge debts'?

Ya know, the city's budget was just fine before 9-11. You're absolutly right. As far as Bloomberg... Don't get me started, the man is the worst mayor of New York since... well, only since Mario, but still!