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Some of you claim to be open-minded, yet you insult me for the beliefs I hold. Hypocrisy, No? To what extent should we take into account other people's beliefs and have respect for them? Or are they just plain wrong?

Some of you claim to be open-minded, yet you insult me for the beliefs I hold. Hypocrisy, No? To what extent should we take into account other people's beliefs and have respect for them? Or are they just plain wrong?
Just as you insult religous people for holding their beliefs

you sir are a hipocrit

I believe you have created a lot of crap threads. Now it's time to crack open each other's skulls and feast on the goo inside! Praise the lord Gamblor!

No because other peoples beliefs affect there judgement, and if that judgement effects you, such as laws, then you are in fact being oppressed.

Dude, slow down! I haven't seen so many threads and polls since nigh on one month!! It reminds me of the great fire burnin of aught 8, now there was a poll and thread worth singing lantern songs about.

I believe you have created a lot of crap threads. Now it's time to crack open each other's skulls and feast on the goo inside! Praise the lord Gamblor!


If you crack open UT's skull, you will find a high tech, intricate system of wiring and digital technology. He's half man half computer.


also.....I'll be forced to skewer you with my saber.

Ah Bogstonia, how I pity your barren lack of a sense of humour. I shall crack open your skull, and find nothing there...except thin air, enough not there is to spread on a flake of corn.

If you crack open UT's skull, you will find a high tech, intricate system of wiring and digital technology. He's half man half computer.


also.....I'll be forced to skewer you with my saber.

If it's YOU skewering me......I can live with that.

Plus, we'd could all share in each other's goo. (That sounds kinda.....actually I'll just leave that one alone)

respect others' beliefs, no matter what they are. when my beliefs are confronted i will argue my stance. others' beliefs can be challenged through debate, but never put down.

Some of you claim to be open-minded, yet you insult me for the beliefs I hold. Hypocrisy, No? To what extent should we take into account other people's beliefs and have respect for them? Or are they just plain wrong?
i don't particularly care what other people choose to believe, and i will allow them perfect freedom to feel, think, and believe whatever they like, but i expect all persons to be held to the same rules of conduct regardless of their beliefs.

for instance, i believe that if there is a dress code at a school there should not be any exceptions made for "religious belief." if hats are not allowed, then no hats for anybody. if a person will be allowed to wear a hat for religious reasons, then students should be allowed to wear hats for non-religious reasons. just because a belief is religious doesn't mean it is inherently more important than a non-religious belief, so there shouldn't be special treatment for religious matters. on the other hand, an action shouldn't be restricted solely because it is religious in nature; if people are allowed to assemble in public for secular reasons, they should be allowed to assemble for religious reasons. if people are allowed to wear secular ornaments then they should be allowed to wear religious ones.

i may have little or no respect for a person's beliefs, but i most certainly respect their RIGHT to hold those beliefs.

Ah Bogstonia, how I pity your barren lack of a sense of humour. I shall crack open your skull, and find nothing there...except thin air, enough not there is to spread on a flake of corn.

Ah wank stain, how I pity your lack of grammar.

"enough not there is to spread on a flake of corn"
Ah, Yoda, funny joke, good one you make? No.

I take the view that what ever I believe at the present time is right, but my beliefs may change and then they become right and the previous ones wrong.
But sometimes I get in a good mood and think "We should all live together in peace and respecting each other" and then I snap out of it and go back to how I was.

Some of you claim to be open-minded, yet you insult me for the beliefs I hold. Hypocrisy, No? To what extent should we take into account other people's beliefs and have respect for them? Or are they just plain wrong?

Other beliefs should be respected only to the point that they are respectable. The moment a religion dictates that its followers should convert the unbelieving masses by any means available, possibly even to the point of advocating destruction of those who fail to convert, it no longer deserves respect. Or when the laws of any particular jurisdiction are created based on said religion, which have the effect of forcing purely religious beliefs even on the unbelieving populace - again, that religion becomes unworthy of respect. An example of this would be the infamous "Blue Laws" which unreasonably prohibit certain activities on Sundays, based solely on Christian beliefs (as opposed to the protection of life or property). Any religion which forces itself on impressionable young public school children, without the knowledge and/or consent of their parents is unworthy of respect.

It isn't difficult to see that Christianity fails all these tests of a respectable religion. Islam isn't far behind it.

I take the view that what ever I believe at the present time is right, but my beliefs may change and then they become right and the previous ones wrong.

I'm like that. But nevertheless I do not insult others. Whats the point?

Insulting others isn't helping yourself nor them. Except it simply makes people angry.

Some of you claim to be open-minded, yet you insult me for the beliefs I hold. Hypocrisy, No? To what extent should we take into account other people's beliefs and have respect for them? Or are they just plain wrong?

Is it possible to consider your beliefs wrong without insulting you? I'm certain you'd consider mine wrong and I believe you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Believing or stating that I believe you are wrong, shouldn't be an insult. That is called a disagreement.

if your belief gets in the way of you making a contribution to society, i will not put up with it.

otherwise, i don't care.

like i've said before:

Just think: the guy who would have invented the cure for cancer didn't because he was so busy wearing holes in the knees of his pants at the local confessional and chose bible school over medical school.

I'm open minded because I'm willing to listen to and consider new ideas. I am respectful of religious beliefs to a certain point. I'm not going to go up to someone and say hey you're a stupid face and your religion sucks, but I will probably make fun of them later to my friends. Don't get the impression though that I target religion. I make fun of everyone/everything. You are are equal targets in my eye.

Other beliefs should be respected only to the point that they are respectable. The moment a religion dictates that its followers should convert the unbelieving masses by any means available, possibly even to the point of advocating destruction of those who fail to convert, it no longer deserves respect. Or when the laws of any particular jurisdiction are created based on said religion, which have the effect of forcing purely religious beliefs even on the unbelieving populace - again, that religion becomes unworthy of respect. An example of this would be the infamous "Blue Laws" which unreasonably prohibit certain activities on Sundays, based solely on Christian beliefs (as opposed to the protection of life or property). Any religion which forces itself on impressionable young public school children, without the knowledge and/or consent of their parents is unworthy of respect.

It isn't difficult to see that Christianity fails all these tests of a respectable religion. Islam isn't far behind it. So, you have a problem with people introducing others to their ideas? Because that's what you seem to be against, as that is what evangelism is *supposed* to be about. (note asterisks)

Just think: the guy who would have invented cancer didn't because he was so busy wearing holes in the knees of his pants at the local confessional and chose bible school over medical school.Invent cancer? (I agree that religion is a waste if that's what you are going for.)

Invent cancer? (I agree that religion is a waste if that's what you are going for.)

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oh crap, major typo there

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oh crap, major typo there

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:pHaha. Okay. I was thinking I surely hope that's a typo!

LOL
"the man who invented cancer"

I can't remember who said it, but it went "A man only has to respect anothers belief to the same extent as he respects his opinion that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart" or something along that line.

Just think: the guy who would have invented the cure for cancer didn't because he was so busy wearing holes in the knees of his pants at the local confessional and chose bible school over medical school.


Just think: the guy who would have given people who were alcoholics some faith and hope for the future (after they hit rock bottom) didn't because he was so busy studying for the bar exam so he could make a killing as a plaintiff's lawyer.

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I can tolerate beliefs, but not bullshit.
Take religion for example: It's a belief that I'd be considered a wicked sinner.
I can live with that just fine.

But it's bullshit when we get into the area of legislating morality.

Or, it's a belief that smokers shouldn't smoke in your private home.
It's bullshit to legislate smoking in wide-open public places.

I can tolerate beliefs, but not bullshit.
Take religion for example: It's a belief that I'd be considered a wicked sinner.
I can live with that just fine.

But it's bullshit when we get into the area of legislating morality.

Or, it's a belief that smokers shouldn't smoke in your private home.
It's bullshit to legislate smoking in wide-open public places.

Here here! Listen to the man. Well said.

Just think: the guy who would have given people who were alcoholics some faith and hope for the future (after they hit rock bottom) didn't because he was so busy studying for the bar exam so he could make a killing as a plaintiff's lawyer.Just think: you can help people who have problems without religion. Religion isn't necessary to lend a hand to your fellow man. You could do it out of your own kindness and not because god tells you to (*gasp*).

I'm just wondering, how can anyone know what is right. If God exists (or Gods, we don't really know), how can any human possibly comprehend such a power. It seems very pretentious for anyone to consider themselves "True" or "right" because we are only humans and could not possibly understand the mind of God(s).

Religion isn't necessary to lend a hand to your fellow man. You could do it out of your own kindness and not because god tells you to (*gasp*).

That's why I do it. I know agnostics and atheists who are a lot more compassionate and knid than religious people I know. Might just be the exception rather than the rule, however; I don't know about others' experiences.

I'm just wondering, how can anyone know what is right. If God exists (or Gods, we don't really know), how can any human possibly comprehend such a power. It seems very pretentious for anyone to consider themselves "True" or "right" because we are only humans and could not possibly understand the mind of God(s).



That's why I do it. I know agnostics and atheists who are a lot more compassionate and knid than religious people I know. Might just be the exception rather than the rule, however; I don't know about others' experiences.
My biggest problem with religious based community service type things is that quite often they expect something when they help. They are doing it primarily to help "spread the word of god" or to make god happy. Just effing do something because it's nice. Why must everyone have agendas?

Just effing do something because it's nice. Why must everyone have agendas?

I think it is because too many people view it as a power struggle, as if by dominating all other religions they will go to heaven or gin points with God or whatnot. I volunteer, but usually with the Red Cross blood drives or United Way or something nonreligous. Sadly, too many religions use their charity as propaganda.

Other people's beliefs are manifestly incorrect. Why else would they differ from my own? ;)

Actually, I voted for bliss. But you're free to disagree, blisshater! :p

I think it is because too many people view it as a power struggle, as if by dominating all other religions they will go to heaven or gin points with God or whatnot. I volunteer, but usually with the Red Cross blood drives or United Way or something nonreligous. Sadly, too many religions use their charity as propaganda.yes! so right. (and thumbs up for volunteer work)

I hate it so much when religious org's try to help people struggling with alcohol or drugs because you know the people they're helping are in bad shape and are more easily convinced of things. And if you say hey we'll help you with your problem if you come to our church or let us preach to you, you're manipulating them. I guess they have more trouble convinving people of sound mind that their crap is true :) lol