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http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This website contains a set of laws basicly describing the rights of non Muslims in a Muslim state. If these are accurate then I would like an explination as to how a religion which I believe to be one of tollerance could allow such intollerant ideas into their law

http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This website contains a set of laws basicly describing the rights of non Muslims in a Muslim state. If these are accurate then I would like an explination as to how a religion which I believe to be one of tollerance could allow such intollerant ideas into their law

It's one of tolerance now, don't make me delve into history it is well know that in less unenlightened times Muslim countries were one of the friendliest countries to travel to (well until the crusades, before that its well documented that Muslims let Christians get on with it when they visited Jerusalem)

I agree though i don't (of course) like the sounds of most of these, and it sounds a bit too well reserched to by right wing propaganda.

Just some scary examples. I would appricate a Muslim perspective on the accuracy of these

Jizya literally means penalty. It is a protection tax levied on non-Muslims living under Islamic regimes, confirming their legal status

A tax which you have to pay because of your belief

Zimmis cannot testify against Muslims. They can only testify against other Zimmis or Musta'min. Their oaths are not considered valid in an Islamic court

"Zimmis" are one form of non-Muslim. Basicly this legal system discriminates the values of someones testomony by what they believe

http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This website contains a set of laws basicly describing the rights of non Muslims in a Muslim state. If these are accurate then I would like an explination as to how a religion which I believe to be one of tollerance could allow such intollerant ideas into their law

And that is why I oppose theocrasy in all its forms.

I've taken a look at the main site, and its pretty crappy, and has no links to the muslim council of britian something i'd expect something of its nature to have.

Would'nt trust it 100%

A tax which you have to pay because of your belief


I pay taxes for police protection, why shouldn't people in Muslim countries do the same?

Anyway, your site is not accurate. Nothing like an Evangelical Christian group for accurate information on Islam! Oh no, of course they would never have a bias against us. Not at all.

A tax which you have to pay because of your belief
Christian Tithes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe#Tithes_in_England)
Synagogues Charge Jews a Fee To Pray (http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/207/Q5/)
Bush's Faith-Based Initiatives (http://pewforum.org/faith-based-initiatives/)

Now, get down off your high horse.

The government you just described sounded like Massachusetts, right after it was founded. Only Christians could run for government and everyone had to pay taxes, which went towards the church.

Hmm. Apparently not. Or not here and Indonesia that is.

Well, if PAS (Islamic Fundamentalist Party) takes over my country. I'll tell you ya?

Though I think it was like that long time ago. Anyway, thats what happeneds whe religion makes with state.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This website contains a set of laws basicly describing the rights of non Muslims in a Muslim state. If these are accurate then I would like an explination as to how a religion which I believe to be one of tollerance could allow such intollerant ideas into their law

Here we go again.

Here we go again.

It's the way of things. I suggested Neo just put in bold red letters "I Hate Muslims" in his sig and be done with it. I guess he's still trying to be subtle about it. *shrug*

I'm not really concerned anymore. It's become laughable ... Jesussaves laughable.

Some of my friends who have been in Islamic countries have talked about this before. Some quick points to remeber:

1. These rules tend to only be found in the more conservitive Islamic states. The more liberiral or westernized countries have far more tolrable courts.

2. These rules have and will continue to exist. Many churches/temples have lost more than one missonary to charges of treason without defense.

It's more of a phenomone having to due with the fact that a few select islamic states are still using the old laws (Crusade-period). The Catholic/protastant reformation rid Catholicism of a lot of the crusade-era laws thanks to thier use of various reforming popes. Islam does'nt use a single temporal leader, so some countries have not changed thier old laws at all.

On a plus side of Islam though, worlds most relible bankers and moneylender lie in Islamic states. Many countires have a entire banking system that relies purely on the good intentions of other Muslim bankers and has almost no mistakes or theft occuring. Some banks we've encountered don't even keep track of the money lent to other banks. Never seen a western bank claim that yet.

Christian Tithes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe#Tithes_in_England)
Synagogues Charge Jews a Fee To Pray (http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/207/Q5/)
Bush's Faith-Based Initiatives (http://pewforum.org/faith-based-initiatives/)

Now, get down off your high horse.

The tithes were payed by everyone, not just non Christians

I'm not a supporter of Bush and the idea of faith based tax is not a Christian idea

The idea of the Zimmir tax is taxed on Non Muslims. How do the people who always say "I dont want religion to control me if I dont subscribe to it". This idea is that it forces all people who do not subscribe to a faith to pay a tax.

Some of my friends who have been in Islamic countries have talked about this before. Some quick points to remeber:

1. These rules tend to only be found in the more conservitive Islamic states. The more liberiral or westernized countries have far more tolrable courts.


So are these laws not part of Islamic dogma (as I had hoped)

I pay taxes for police protection, why shouldn't people in Muslim countries do the same?

Anyway, your site is not accurate. Nothing like an Evangelical Christian group for accurate information on Islam! Oh no, of course they would never have a bias against us. Not at all.
Yeah, but the police are supposed to protect everyone equally in the USA, and nobody's taxes are higher due to their religious beleif. Under Sharia the dhimmis aren't protected the same as muslims, and pay a higher tax for that minimal protection.

It's the way of things. I suggested Neo just put in bold red letters "I Hate Muslims" in his sig and be done with it. I guess he's still trying to be subtle about it. *shrug*

I'm not really concerned anymore. It's become laughable ... Jesussaves laughable.
"Islam is a pedophile moon god cult" - Jesussaves

"Islam is a pedophile moon god cult" - Jesussaves

:D

:D
I figgured you were jonesing for some more idot trolling from our favorite parrot.

I figgured you were jonesing for some more idot trolling from our favorite parrot.

Best parrot ever. Too bad it got ya zapped. :(

Keru, I've noticed some interesting opinions on this forum:
1. If you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist nutjob who oppresses Christians.
2. If you're a Christian, you're a nutjob who hates gays and Muslims.
3. If you're an American, you're a warmongering Christian asshole.
4. If you're a Democrat, you're a whining liberal anti-American pussy.
5. If you're a Republican, you're a brain-dead warmongering corporate asshole.
6. If you're a European, you're a whiny, socialist, effete snob.

Did I miss any? That seems to be the substance of most of the posts on this forum.

It's the way of things. I suggested Neo just put in bold red letters "I Hate Muslims" in his sig and be done with it. I guess he's still trying to be subtle about it. *shrug*

I'm not really concerned anymore. It's become laughable ... Jesussaves laughable.
see why i stay out of the religion threads? hhmmm?? ;)

Keru, I've noticed some interesting opinions on this forum:
1. If you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist nutjob who oppresses Christians.
2. If you're a Christian, you're a nutjob who hates gays and Muslims.
3. If you're an American, you're a warmongering Christian asshole.
4. If you're a Democrat, you're a whining liberal anti-American pussy.
5. If you're a Republican, you're a brain-dead warmongering corporate asshole.
6. If you're a European, you're a whiny, socialist, effete snob.

Did I miss any? That seems to be the substance of most of the posts on this forum.
Hey, I'm American and I'm a warmongering Atheist asshole.

Keru, I've noticed some interesting opinions on this forum:
1. If you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist nutjob who oppresses Christians.
2. If you're a Christian, you're a nutjob who hates gays and Muslims.
3. If you're an American, you're a warmongering Christian asshole.
4. If you're a Democrat, you're a whining liberal anti-American pussy.
5. If you're a Republican, you're a brain-dead warmongering corporate asshole.
6. If you're a European, you're a whiny, socialist, effete snob.

Did I miss any? That seems to be the substance of most of the posts on this forum.

As a Muslim American Democrat, I'm boned! :D

I think that sums it up nicely, WL. It's also why I try so very hard to avoid political threads. Unfortunately, if I don't debate now and then or get all serious from time to time, I get accused of being a "social spammer".

see why i stay out of the religion threads? hhmmm?? ;)

With you here, it makes it all the better though. :)

With you here, it makes it all the better though. :)
all right then i amalready drunk. i will just have to get naked.
woo.



hoo.

"Officially, Islamic law requires Muslims not to force Zimmis to embrace Islam. It is the duty of every Muslim, they hold, to manifest the virtues of Islam so that those who are non-Muslims will convert willingly after discovering its greatness and truth. Once a person becomes a Muslim, he cannot recant. If he does, he will be warned first, then he will be given three days to reconsider and repent. If he persists in his apostasy, his wife is required to divorce him, his property is confiscated, and his children are taken away from him. He is not allowed to remarry. Instead, he should be taken to court and sentenced to death. If he repents, he may return to his wife and children or remarry. According to the Hanifites an apostate female is not allowed to get married. She must spend time in meditation in order to return to Islam. If she does not repent or recant, she will not be sentenced to death, but she is to be persecuted, beaten and jailed until she dies. Other schools of Shari`a demand her death. The above punishment is prescribed in a Hadith recorded by the Bukhari: 'It is reported by `Abaas ... that the messenger of Allah ... said, `Whosoever changes his religion (from Islam to any other faith), kill him.'

"In his book Shari`ah: The Islamic Law, Doi remarks, 'The punishment by death in the case of Apostasy has been unanimously agreed upon by all the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence.'"

Wonderful. :rolleyes:

Keru, I've noticed some interesting opinions on this forum:
1. If you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist nutjob who oppresses Christians.
2. If you're a Christian, you're a nutjob who hates gays and Muslims.
3. If you're an American, you're a warmongering Christian asshole.
4. If you're a Democrat, you're a whining liberal anti-American pussy.
5. If you're a Republican, you're a brain-dead warmongering corporate asshole.
6. If you're a European, you're a whiny, socialist, effete snob.

Did I miss any? That seems to be the substance of most of the posts on this forum.
Nope! That just about sums it up. :rolleyes:

As a Muslim American Democrat, I'm boned! :D
I think that means you have a vaguely split personality and hate yourself with a passion, but you're too lily-livered to do anything about it, so you just whine instead.

:D

It doesn't look too different from Christian-states, like Spain in the 16th century, or any other teocracy for that matter.

http://answering-islam.org.uk/NonMuslims/rights.htm

This website contains a set of laws basicly describing the rights of non Muslims in a Muslim state. If these are accurate then I would like an explination as to how a religion which I believe to be one of tollerance could allow such intollerant ideas into their law

Woa, that's totaly insane. If that's true... scary. The only thing that compares with is fascism... :eek:

Hey, I'm American and I'm a warmongering Atheist asshole.

I forgot!

If you're an Atheist, you're an amoral dick who starts wars and kills for the hell of it

If you're a Canadian, Americans will think you're a French-speaking wuss even if you never set foot in Quebec.

Woa, that's totaly insane. If that's true... scary. The only thing that compares with is fascism... :eek:
Thus the term "Islamofascist". People like Osama are islamofascists. This accurately describes their viewpoint and differentiates them from the average muslim who doesn't give two shits about forcing the world to live under sharia.

Thus the term "Islamofascist". People like Osama are islamofascists. This accurately describes their viewpoint and differentiates them from the average muslim who doesn't give two shits about forcing the world to live under sharia.


Some people haven't traveled to the rest of the world. Perhaps they never left the US, or never left the EU, or something like that.

They never met any people from the Third World - in that area of the world. Ate dinner with them. Talked.

You'll find that MOST people in the world, regardless of their religion, just want a few things:

1. The ability to live in a simple hut with their family, with a good chance of not being in a civil war or violent change of government when they wake up in the morning.
2. The ability to raise their children as they see fit - teaching the ideas they feel like passing on.
3. The ability to have clean water and warm food on a regular basis.
4. Some means of making a living that doesn't involve being abused, or cheated out of their wages.

They're not asking for a whole lot, most people. Yes, there are a few fucktards out there making the world a more dangerous place. But most people, and most Moslems, just want items 1 through 4.

It's the way of things. I suggested Neo just put in bold red letters "I Hate Muslims" in his sig and be done with it. I guess he's still trying to be subtle about it. *shrug*

I'm not really concerned anymore. It's become laughable ... Jesussaves laughable.

I am not trying to stir up hatered her Keruvalia, I am just concerened. If this isnt part of Muslim dogma then where does it come from, because it seems to me too detailed to come from thin air. So just answer me, because I want to get a better understanding. I see these things and I get an idea where some people get their concerns from so I am asking you, where exactly in Islam these come from?

Keru, I've noticed some interesting opinions on this forum:
1. If you're a Muslim, you're a terrorist nutjob who oppresses Christians.
2. If you're a Christian, you're a nutjob who hates gays and Muslims.
3. If you're an American, you're a warmongering Christian asshole.
4. If you're a Democrat, you're a whining liberal anti-American pussy.
5. If you're a Republican, you're a brain-dead warmongering corporate asshole.
6. If you're a European, you're a whiny, socialist, effete snob.

Did I miss any? That seems to be the substance of most of the posts on this forum.

What about the Jews? Dosent anyone hate them anymore? ;)

What about the Jews? Dosent anyone hate them anymore? ;)
I think I posted that in another thread. Everyone hates them, but only the Nazis and the Arabs will admit it (gee, I bet I can get three more thread topics out of this).

Maybe there should be a sticky at the top of General, with Topics Thou Shalt Not Post Because They Ignite Flames.