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I'm just trying to get an impression of what most people think, here. I'm not trying to judge anyone whatsoever, so please don't become offended. So do you think it's ok to have (consensual) sex with an animal (for the duration of this thread, the term animal shall not include human or non-human sentient races of NationStates)? If not, are moral grounds alone enough to prohibit the actions, or must one also consider potential health risks before condemning it? What if it were only permitted in a fashion that would virtually eliminate the chances of disease? If so, then what of the potential for spread of disease? Keep in mind that just because a person thinks it's alright to do, doesn't mean said person would do it him- or herself. It's really a hypothetical question on the extent of personal liberties.
Would you classify it morally along with homosexuality (so far as it is a person's own right to choose, or it is against nature, or so on, so forth)? If not, what are the key differences? Remember, I'm not trying to suggest anything, I'm only asking because this is related to an argument many people like to use.
Feel free to respond to any or all questions posed in this thread. If this thread were actually to take off, I'm sure it would wind up somewhere far from where it started, rife with flaming and trolling. I ask simply that it stay on topic, and as impersonal as possible.

woooooooooo-hooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! Tijauna Donkey Show!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the fuck could it be a crime against humanity? If it doesn't harm anyone but yourself (think of the diseases you might catch), I'm for it.

Just how would you get consent from the animal in question? I think it is a crime against the poor animal myself; humans be damned.

How can you have "consensual" sex with an animal? They can't say if they want to or not.

No
Now thats not to suggest there's something innately wrong with it, lol not that i agree with it, becuase nothing is Innate, but crap i dunno, i just dont like it, i was happier off not knowing about it.

I don't think this thread belongs on the Nationstates forums. IBTL :D

YOU CAN'T HAVE CONSEXUAL SEX WITH AN ANIMAL!

What's in gonna say? "Baaaaah" for yes, and "Baaaaaaaaaaah" for no?
And you can't go by whether it's pleasured because any form of rape still pleasures the victim.

How dare you put it on par with homosexuality. Beastiality is rape, plain and simple. Who cares about the human ramifications, what about the crime against an animal.

You don't torture animal before you kill it, so you don't torture an animal by... eating it (hehe)...

How can you have "consensual" sex with an animal? They can't say if they want to or not.

Think about this --- Do the animals we slaughter for food get to voice their opinions on the matter? Does a cow say that he/she doesn't wanna be killed before it goes into the slaughterhouse?

...So do you think it's ok to have (consensual) sex with an animal...

Only if you get it in writing first.

I'm just trying to get an impression of what most people think, here. I'm not trying to judge anyone whatsoever, so please don't become offended. So do you think it's ok to have (consensual) sex with an animal (for the duration of this thread, the term animal shall not include human or non-human sentient races of NationStates)? If not, are moral grounds alone enough to prohibit the actions, or must one also consider potential health risks before condemning it? What if it were only permitted in a fashion that would virtually eliminate the chances of disease? If so, then what of the potential for spread of disease? Keep in mind that just because a person thinks it's alright to do, doesn't mean said person would do it him- or herself. It's really a hypothetical question on the extent of personal liberties.
Would you classify it morally along with homosexuality (so far as it is a person's own right to choose, or it is against nature, or so on, so forth)? If not, what are the key differences? Remember, I'm not trying to suggest anything, I'm only asking because this is related to an argument many people like to use.
Feel free to respond to any or all questions posed in this thread. If this thread were actually to take off, I'm sure it would wind up somewhere far from where it started, rife with flaming and trolling. I ask simply that it stay on topic, and as impersonal as possible.
There are a whole host of sexual practices that I find perfectly fine as long as they're consentual. Even some dangerous, and possibly downright life-threatening ones, like the serious end of S&M. However, I have to draw a line on Beastiality because of consent. How can an animal (most are not even capable of coherent communication) express consent to anything? If you can prove, using symbolic language and logic, that an animal is consenting to whatever it is you want to do with it, fine. Go have fun. Otherwise, I'd call it a form of rape.

You can't get informed consent from an animal, but do you need it? Animals don't have the same rights as humans.

Anyway, anyone who screws animals is a grade A large weirdo.

Think about this --- Do the animals we slaughter for food get to voice their opinions on the matter? Does a cow say that he/she doesn't wanna be killed before it goes into the slaughterhouse?

I'm for killing people painlessly as well, so that's a null point.

We kill to curb the population, and because it's beneficial. Just like wars, abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, etc.

non-sentient animals can't give consent and people own animals and have more rights, creating an assymmetric relationship between both. This is different for homosexuals.

The only living beings that people have the right to have sex with are CONSENTING adult humans. Non-human animals can't give consent.

While it makes me want to vomit (and yes, I have actually seen some of this) I just can't bring myself to say 'ban it', even if I think it is foul.

It depends if it injures or discomforts the animal in question. If not.. Well, where's the harm? I mean, no, it can't say "yes, I consent", but if it doesn't make any attempt to get away or attack the person, then it probably doesn't care all that much.

I'm not sure what laws it would violate, save perhaps cruelty to animals in the event that the act injures or discomforts the animal(s).

Remember the newsstory about Jordanian UN peacekeepers in East Timor getting their penises (penii?) damaged when they tried to fuck goats? What is the plural of penis anyway?

ohmyGOD what would peta think?

i say it should be illegal because its cruelty to animals

you could however have your way with a melon if you so chose.

The only living beings that people have the right to have sex with are CONSENTING adult humans. Non-human animals can't give consent.

Wellllllllllllll...

Ever hear of Koko the Gorilla?

She once signed a mating request to Will Shatner. ;)

Me thinks the thread owner is a Christian.

All too often I hear the beastialty and pedophillia arguements when arguing about gay rights.

What is the plural of penis anyway?

Either "penises" which is the modern English form, or "penes" which is the proper classical Latin medical form. (Don't ask how I know)

Wellllllllllllll...

Ever hear of Koko the Gorilla?

She once signed a mating request to Will Shatner. ;)
Normally I wouldn't have to ask, but since Captain Kirk banged all sorts of alien broads, did he take her up on that offer?

ohmyGOD what would peta think?

i say it should be illegal because its cruelty to animals

you could however have your way with a melon if you so chose.

I do recall one PETA official speaking in favor of zoophillia as long as it doesn't harm the animal.

Many animals would engage in interspecies relationships of their own will. I hesitate to get specific, since I personally find it repugnent, but any on who has had a mature, male, un-neutered dog would probably have to agree.

Also, sp error: it's bestiality. And I'd like to apologize to anyone I've offended simply by bringing this up. I tried not to offend anyone, I was just curious what people thought.

Normally I wouldn't have to ask, but since Captain Kirk banged all sorts of alien broads, did he take her up on that offer?

Nahhh. He tends to like the females to have a smaller build then he has. ;)

He joked about it when it was explained to him.

Me thinks the thread owner is a Christian.

All too often I hear the beastialty and pedophillia arguements when arguing about gay rights.

Like I said, I only brought up the point because it's an argument that many people pose. I've done my best to leave my personal beliefs out of this.

Many animals would engage in interspecies relationships of their own will. I hesitate to get specific, since I personally find it repugnent, but any on who has had a mature, male, un-neutered dog would probably have to agree.

Also, sp error: it's bestiality. And I'd like to apologize to anyone I've offended simply by bringing this up. I tried not to offend anyone, I was just curious what people thought.

Interspecies? Ok now you have me curious. Which ones?

Such breedings usually end up with something that can't breed(ie the horse and the donkey).

I'm just trying to get an impression of what most people think, here. I'm not trying to judge anyone whatsoever, so please don't become offended. So do you think it's ok to have (consensual) sex with an animal (for the duration of this thread, the term animal shall not include human or non-human sentient races of NationStates)?

It is impossible to have consensual sex with an animal, as the animal cannot give informed consent.

*ROFL!!!!!*

*Holds sides to keep from splitting*

*wipes tears from eyes*

WTF?!?!?!? The only argument you people have against bestiality is cruelty to animals?!?

*starts laughing again*

Interspecies? Ok now you have me curious. Which ones?

Such breedings usually end up with something that can't breed(ie the horse and the donkey).
Usually they'll end up with no offspring at all, sterile or otherwise. Animals don't associate sex with reproduction, only with pleasure. Humans are, to my knowledge, the only species that has figgured out the cause and effect relationship.

Bestiality (which I think is actually the correct spelling, although it makes no linguistic sense) is morally permissablie in my book. Sure, I personally would never screw an animal, but you know, each to his own, whatever lights your candle.

As for the inability of an animal to consent, well, if animals had the same consent-related rights as humans, nobody would eat meat, or ride horses, or wear leather or anything. People who cry "animal rights" when it comes to bestiality can't have their cake and eat it too - murder is a worse crime than rape, and if "murdering" animals is permissable in society (it is), surely raping them is permissable as well.

*ROFL!!!!!*

*Holds sides to keep from splitting*

*wipes tears from eyes*

WTF?!?!?!? The only argument you people have against bestiality is cruelty to animals?!?

*starts laughing again*
So why is that funny?

I just wonder how desperate you have to be to try this. I mean, there are people you can pay for sex if you really want it that badly.

There aren't that many species on the planet that have sex for pleasure. If you have your fun with a sheep or a dog that's not in esterus (sp), not only are you transgressing the species line, but the natural mating cycle of the animal as well. Double whammy.

So why is that funny?
*shakes head* I got nothin'

Usually they'll end up with no offspring at all, sterile or otherwise. Animals don't associate sex with reproduction, only with pleasure. Humans are, to my knowledge, the only species that has figgured out the cause and effect relationship.

Dolphins have sex for pleasure, and there are recorded cases of dolphin males attempting to engage in sexual intercourse with humans who have been swimming with them. Talk about the shoe being on the other foot (or flipper, in this instance I suppose)....

I do recall one PETA official speaking in favor of zoophillia as long as it doesn't harm the animal.
ohmyGOD thats nasty!
do you have a name or something that i could try looking that up with? hmmmm
gimme a minute it try "peta zoophilia" on google

I just wonder how desperate you have to be to try this. I mean, there are people you can pay for sex if you really want it that badly.

There aren't that many species on the planet that have sex for pleasure. If you have your fun with a sheep or a dog that's not in esterus (sp), not only are you transgressing the species line, but the natural mating cycle of the animal as well. Double whammy.

It's not about desperation. Some people could be given the choice to have sex with a dog, or the most beautiful, perfect person on earth, and they'd take the dog.

I'm hesitant to say fetish, because it's more involved than that. Zoophiliacs will often seek to form long lasting bonds between themselves and an animal. I'm also hesitant to call it an alternative lifestyle because people might think I want it to become mainstream (I'm neutral on it).

ohmyGOD thats nasty!
do you have a name or something that i could try looking that up with? hmmmm
gimme a minute it try "peta zoophilia" on google

No. All I remember is that it was attached to a forum topic with someone saying "And liberals say that accepting homosexuality won't lead to pedophilia and bestiality", though perhaps not in so many words.

ohmyGOD thats nasty!
gimme a minute it try "peta zoophilia" on google

*waits for the screams...*

It depends if it injures or discomforts the animal in question. If not.. Well, where's the harm? I mean, no, it can't say "yes, I consent", but if it doesn't make any attempt to get away or attack the person, then it probably doesn't care all that much.
The problem with your argument is that it would make certain forms of rape equally okay. Not saying "no" is NOT the same as saying "yes".

I feel very strongly about this, because a friend of mine was raped a while back. She never consented to having sex with this person, and she was too paralyzed with fear to struggle or say anything at all. She still hasn't reported it because she's afraid that there would be no conviction, and she's probably right. Most of the evidence is gone by now, and the attitude that the girl has to "fight back" before it's rape is too pervasive in our culture to expect a conviction of rape on the basis that the victim never offered their consent.

I feel very strongly about this, because a friend of mine was raped a while back. She never consented to having sex with this person, and she was too paralyzed with fear to struggle or say anything at all. She still hasn't reported it because she's afraid that there would be no conviction, and she's probably right. Most of the evidence is gone by now, and the attitude that the girl has to "fight back" before it's rape is too pervasive in our culture to expect a conviction of rape on the basis that the victim never offered their consent.

Depending on the history of the guy, the sad truth is that there probably wouldn't be a conviction that came out of it with all of the physical evidence gone. She could put in the report, just to get the report on this guy's record (which could possibly be admitted as evidence if he ever does it again) and so that she could be a witness in someone elses's case (again, if he ever does it again). If she isn't comfortable with that, at least try and convince her to go to counseling of some sort and definitely get tested for STDs.

The problem with your argument is that it would make certain forms of rape equally okay. Not saying "no" is NOT the same as saying "yes".

I feel very strongly about this, because a friend of mine was raped a while back. She never consented to having sex with this person, and she was too paralyzed with fear to struggle or say anything at all. She still hasn't reported it because she's afraid that there would be no conviction, and she's probably right. Most of the evidence is gone by now, and the attitude that the girl has to "fight back" before it's rape is too pervasive in our culture to expect a conviction of rape on the basis that the victim never offered their consent.

There's a difference between a human who's paralyzed with fear and an animal.

I've never seen an animal that doesn't show some kind of change in its posture, vocalization or other attributes if it's undergoing stress or fear. If you do something to an animal it dislikes, it'll make a sound,or back away, or attack you, depending on its personality.

Basically you have you choice of various primates and dolphins. Other than that, most couldn't really give consent.

http://www.zoophile.net/dolphins.php
I can't believe I googled that.

The problem with your argument is that it would make certain forms of rape equally okay. Not saying "no" is NOT the same as saying "yes".


Just remember...MOO means MOO.

There's a difference between a human who's paralyzed with fear and an animal.

I've never seen an animal that doesn't show some kind of change in its posture, vocalization or other attributes if it's undergoing stress or fear. If you do something to an animal it dislikes, it'll make a sound,or back away, or attack you, depending on its personality.

Is it ok for a man to have sex with a three-year old child because she doesn't run away or say no?

If the answer is yes, shame on you.
If the answer is no, then you have no argument, as having sex with an animal is the same thing - neither can give informed consent.

[QUOTE]WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.QUOTE]

Oh, dear God... this is without a doubt the foulest thing I have ever been forced to imagine.

[QUOTE]WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.QUOTE]

Oh, dear God... this is without a doubt the foulest thing I have ever been forced to imagine.

I've read (and seen) fouler things...

Call me a sick monkey, but it just made me laugh...

[QUOTE]WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.QUOTE]


Dang...I must be hangin' around the wrong bars.

Is it ok for a man to have sex with a three-year old child because she doesn't run away or say no?

If the answer is yes, shame on you.
If the answer is no, then you have no argument, as having sex with an animal is the same thing - neither can give informed consent.
Ok, but doesn't a child have more rights than an animal? They're in two different categories. Hell, as has been pointed out on this thread we eat animals. Why don't we eat children? Not because of a consent issue, because humans have rights.

Basically you have you choice of various primates and dolphins. Other than that, most couldn't really give consent.

http://www.zoophile.net/dolphins.php
I can't believe I googled that.

There are some small birds that will attempt to mate with their owners' fingers.

Here's one reason why bestiality should be illegal: what it does to the person. A human who goes so far as to gain sexual pleasure from animals loses all dignity, all value he/she may have ever had. They violate every natural law, and perform something that goes directly against nature.

Ok, but doesn't a child have more rights than an animal? They're in two different categories. Hell, as has been pointed out on this thread we eat animals. Why don't we eat children? Not because of a consent issue, because humans have rights.

Eating and sex are in two different categories as well.

Meanwhile, I was talking to someone who said that animals give consent because they don't run away. As such, *anything* that doesn't run away/fight back/say no is automatically consenting.

WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.

Oh, dear God... this is without a doubt the foulest thing I have ever been forced to imagine.

So how do you test this sort of thing??? :(

Here's one reason why bestiality should be illegal: what it does to the person. A human who goes so far as to gain sexual pleasure from animals loses all dignity, all value he/she may have ever had. They violate every natural law, and perform something that goes directly against nature.

Wait.

Natural law? What natural law? Law's are MAN-MADE.

*boinks a turtle*

There are some small birds that will attempt to mate with their owners' fingers.

Ok, that kind of bestiality I can be ok with. Hey, if the owner is putting their finger so close to the bird's genitalia, they're obviously asking for it...

So how do you test this sort of thing???

Perhaps the author of the page has "hand on" experience? ;)

Oh, dear God... this is without a doubt the foulest thing I have ever been forced to imagine.
Sooo, let me get this straight. You find that a human having sex with a pretty much sentient animal that can clearly show consent and is big enough that you'd get hurt if it didn't want you to have sex with it to be fouler than the thought of someone raping and killing a prepubescent child?

Wait.

Natural law? What natural law? Law's are MAN-MADE.

You're unaware of the concept of natural law? Christ on a crutch, read a book!

No. All I remember is that it was attached to a forum topic with someone saying "And liberals say that accepting homosexuality won't lead to pedophilia and bestiality", though perhaps not in so many words.
well ive mucked about in THAT cesspool long enough

peta is against the rape of livestock but seems to have at least members who are understanding of those who share a bit of loving "alone time" with their pets. *shudder*

Perhaps the author of the page has "hand on" experience? ;)

I laughed so hard puke entered my nostril. Thanks.

[QUOTE]WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.QUOTE]

Oh, dear God... this is without a doubt the foulest thing I have ever been forced to imagine.

That's not true, anyway. IIRC, it's just an urban myth.

There are basic, natural laws. Humans weren't made to reproduce with animals. Therefore, they shouldn't. We weren't born with wings, so we shouldn't try to jump off cliffs for example.

You're unaware of the concept of natural law? Christ on a crutch, read a book!

I have. Many more than you, child. Natural Law is a concept created by man, so really it should be Natural Law According to Man.

*fondles a swallow*

Here's one reason why bestiality should be illegal: what it does to the person. A human who goes so far as to gain sexual pleasure from animals loses all dignity, all value he/she may have ever had. They violate every natural law, and perform something that goes directly against nature.

"Natural Law" is survival of the fittest. Henceforth, if you want to argue using natural law as a basis, if you CAN have sex with an animal, you're allowed to.

You find that a human having sex with a pretty much sentient animal that can clearly show consent and is big enough that you'd get hurt if it didn't want you to have sex with it to be fouler that the thought of someone raping and killing a prepubescent child?

No, that transcends "foul" and goes in to a level of outright evil that is indescribable by words. I find preying on children outright despicable.

And:
Not the act, just the combined thought of the 14 inch "member", the "powerful thrusting" and the 14 foot ejaculation that can cause internal injuries is very disturbing.

There are basic, natural laws. Humans weren't made to reproduce with animals. Therefore, they shouldn't. We weren't born with wings, so we shouldn't try to jump off cliffs for example.

Who said they're trying to reproduce?

*gooses a goose*

There are basic, natural laws. Humans weren't made to reproduce with animals. Therefore, they shouldn't. We weren't born with wings, so we shouldn't try to jump off cliffs for example.

Having sex doesn't neccessarily equate to reproducing.

And apparently you've never heard of a hang glider..

I laughed so hard puke entered my nostril. Thanks.

No problem. :D

How can you have "consensual" sex with an animal? They can't say if they want to or not.


Emm. So eating an animal is fine by you, but f__ing is isn't?

For your information, the traditional slaughtering methods of both Jews and Muslims are way more painful than bestiality, that some animals, like dogs, for example, enjoy, in fact.

Do I intend to go out and f__k a dog? No, but I definitely support your right to do it, as long as it is your dog.

Eww. I feel sick at the thought of beastiality.

Eww. I feel sick at the thought of beastiality.

WE LOVE YOU, JAMIL!!

President, Jamil Fan Club

*buys a drink for a sheep*

Do I intend to go out and f__k a dog? No, but I definitely support your right to do it, as long as it is your dog.

*holds up sign and starts protesting* STOP RAPING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S DOG! AND DON'T EVEN THINK BOUT YOUR UNCLE'S HOG!

YOU CAN'T HAVE CONSEXUAL SEX WITH AN ANIMAL!

And you can't go by whether it's pleasured because any form of rape still pleasures the victim.


i think this is the dumbest sentence i've ever read online. what causes you to think that someone being raped gets pleasure out of it?

Humans weren't made to reproduce with animals.

And? I suspect greatly oral sex isn't too natural, and in fact Freud's Introduction to Psychoanalysis lists it as a perversion. Some people claim it is extremely degrading to people.

I love performing oral sex on women and am not ashamed on that fact, should I be put in prison in the Armandian Cheese universe?

Emm. So eating an animal is fine by you, but f__ing is isn't?

I really have no opinion on bestiality. I don't like it, but it isn't my place to legislate or restrict it. I was just asking, since animals can't really say anything about it.

Eww. I feel sick at the thought of beastiality.


As liberals say, "Against abortioion? Don't have one!"

As a conservative, I would like to comment:

"Against sheep? Don't f***k one!"

i think this is the dumbest sentence i've ever read online. what causes you to think that someone being raped gets pleasure out of it?

it took til page six for someone to pick up on this? i agree it's possibly the most stupid and wrong sentence ever

As liberals say, "Against abortioion? Don't have one!"

As a conservative, I would like to comment:

"Against sheep? Don't f***k one!"
Meh, if people like it, go for it. I won't stop ya but damn... *shudder*

It's definitely not right- animals have no voice to tell you they do or do not consent, and even if they did consent, I don't think they'd want someone of another species to mate with.

It's really weird to think that there are people out there turned on by the thought of screwing an animal. So weird I'm out of this thread because it's making me a little sick.

what causes you to think that someone being raped gets pleasure out of it?
Quite simple, if you stimulate certain parts of the body enough the sensations will become pleasurable even against the person in question's will.

it took til page six for someone to pick up on this? i agree it's possibly the most stupid and wrong sentence ever

i woulda posted sooner but i had to read through the rest of the pages ;) :headbang:

Quite simple, if you stimulate certain parts of the body enough the sensations will become pleasurable even against the person in question's will.
Fine, then who says the rape victim will like it?

Quite simple, if you stimulate certain parts of the body enough the sensations will become pleasurable even against the person in question's will.

While this may be partially true for most of us guys, since guys are all pretty much dogs, women are a little different. About 90% of sex for women is in their head. (not an actual percentage) It's not just about physical stimulation, like us guys.

Quite simple, if you stimulate certain parts of the body enough the sensations will become pleasurable even against the person in question's will.

ok, where are the facts to back up this statement?

IMO, (and yes, it's my opinion, some others may share it, some may not) a person who is being raped is not feeling pleasure when it is being done. However, i do agree that the body will react to.... for a lack of a better phrase, by releasing fluid to prevent friction, but just because someone becomes wet doesn't mean they're enjoying it.

edited
o, and if a guy/girl is being raped in the ass, does that mean they'll enjoy it?

Fine, then who says the rape victim will like it?
I don't, all I'm saying is that whatever the mind decides on a subject the body will react as it is designed to.


Heh, you know it's a controversial staement when it's quoted 3 times in a row.

While this may be partially true for most of us guys, since guys are all pretty much dogs

Would this mean that if a woman has sex with us she has "committed" bestiality? ;)

And? I suspect greatly oral sex isn't too natural, and in fact Freud's Introduction to Psychoanalysis lists it as a perversion. Some people claim it is extremely degrading to people.

I love performing oral sex on women and am not ashamed on that fact, should I be put in prison in the Armandian Cheese universe?
While I personally oppose all sex, I would not place someone in jail for oral sex. It doesn't violate natural law, since it is between two members of the same race. While it's not for reprodcution's sake, it is within that sphere. Which is why I wouldn't arrest gays, etc. But seriously: who would want to have sex with animals?

Erm.. this is turning from a debate about the morals of beastiality to a debate about sex. I don't like discussing sex so I'm out :p

who would want to have sex with animals?
These people (www.zoophile.net/dolphins.php)obviously.

I don't, all I'm saying is that whatever the mind decides on a subject the body will react as it is designed to.


And whatever the body is doing, if the mind isn't enjoying it, it isn't pleasure.


Heh, you know it's a controversial staement when it's quoted 3 times in a row.

*coff* yes.

While I personally oppose all sex,
ew you are twisted

These people (www.zoophile.net/dolphins.php)obviously.
AHHHHHH!! MY MIND! IT BURNNNNNNSSSS....

AHHHHHH!! MY MIND! IT BURNNNNNNSSSS....

You think that's bad, see my prior quote about the male dolphin's "aptitude":

WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death.

These people (www.zoophile.net/dolphins.php)obviously.

*changes name to Flipper*

*waits for a date*

You know what? Not only should bestiality be illegal, it should be punishable by death...

if the body automatically reacts to a knife wound by starting to clot, it doesn't mean that the person enjoyed being knifed. our body's natural reactions are designed to protect us from more harm sometimes.

also, how do you explain one of the most common ways of identifying that a woman has been forced to have sex is that her genitals are often torn from the friction, due to the fact that she's not wet enough for the sex, which is due to the fact that she's not enjoying it.

*SNIP* due to the fact that she's not wet enough for the sex, which is due to the fact that she's not enjoying it.

Not always...many women are just naturally dry. Take my grandma for example...

wow I went to that website and an add for bestiallity cartoons was there... (stops typing for a moment because hands are shaking)

that guy is just weird. He not only suggests that stimulating male dolphins is fun, but that mating with female dolphins is better than with female humans. Or at least thats the impression I get.

Damn dolphins and their being better at sex than humans...

Gahh! I just noticed that whole side bar!

(runs screaming)

Not always...many women are just naturally dry. Take my grandma for example...

*covers forehead with hand*

Not always...many women are just naturally dry. Take my grandma for example...
I don't like this whole 'wet' conversation going on here.

I don't like this whole 'wet' conversation going on here.

Then why are you still reading this!?

I don't like this whole 'wet' conversation going on here.

I noticed that there are lots of things you don't like, yet you keep coming back. Thats why...

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Then why are you still reading this!?
Bah, I flip through every thread.

...stimulate certain parts of the body enough the sensations will become pleasurable...
let's look up that word.... www.dictionary.com states that pleasurable is this:

pleas·ur·a·ble
adj.
Agreeable; gratifying.

even against the person in question's will.
and now for the 2nd part of that sentence. and part of the defintion of pleasurable...

a·gree·a·ble
adj.
To one's liking; pleasing: agreeable weather.
Suitable; conformable: a practice agreeable to the law.
Ready to consent or submit: I am agreeable to your plan.

con·sent
intr.v. con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents
To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree.
Archaic. To be of the same mind or opinion.

against their will means they don't consent to it, which means they're not of the same mind or opinion. Therefore, it's not agreeable, therefore it's not pleasurable. I hope this clarifies it for you.

edited
sorry it took so long to reply, i'm trying to work at the same time ;)

Why does it even matter for even a quarter of a second what the freaking animals think? Zoophiles care about it because believe it or not they love their animals, but why should we care about it for the purpose of this debate?

Animals are property ( http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle1996/le960302.html) and there’s absolutely no way you can justify having a law against having sex with animals. How come hunting is OK but bestiality is not?

I don't, all I'm saying is that whatever the mind decides on a subject the body will react as it is designed to.


Heh, you know it's a controversial staement when it's quoted 3 times in a row.
darlin, a woman doesnt always get pleasure out of sex with her HUSBAND let alone violent rape by a stranger.

Why does it even matter for even a quarter of a second what the freaking animals think? Zoophiles care about it because believe it or not they love their animals, but why should we care about it for the purpose of this debate?

Animals are property ( http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle1996/le960302.html) and there’s absolutely no way you can justify having a law against having sex with animals. How come hunting is OK but bestiality is not?
sure you could

you could have a law that bars sex with an animal that you dont OWN. just like its illegal to milk the neighbors cow.

you could have a law that bars sex that would hurt an animal, just like you have a law that says you cant beat your dog.

you could have a law that bars sex that would hurt an animal, just like you have a law that says you cant beat your dog. Note I disagree with such laws.

When I started this thread, I knew it was going to wind up far off topic, but honestly, people! Whether or not women get pleasure from rape?! One borderline-offensive issue at a time, please, people!
Anyway, I wasn't asking if you thought it was ok to rape animals. I specifically said consensual. Even if you don't think it's possible, that's not the issue.

Think about this: What if the animal is the one initiating the sexual contact. I think that would be safe to say that the animal is giving consent if it is the one initiating the action.

Either way, it depends on your presuppositions. I would personally wonder why one would want to do so, but I suppose 'humanity' never ceases to amaze me.