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Weed smokers unite!!

Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:24
if Gataway_Driver is doing a thread for booze-hounds, i'm doing a thread for the potheads of NS :D . come one, come all! talk all things green and pure :)

i'm pretty sad at the mo... i've got 3 weeks of holiday and no smoke for the whole time :( :(
Jamil
29-03-2005, 22:26
I smoked it once. Not gonna do it again.
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:27
Hooray all you who enjoy that wonderful healing herb! I wish you guys could come to Portland Oregon, best ganja in America! Just a little while ago I made a 3 1/2 foot bong that we could smoke out of, it gets me so ripped, and it tastes great! Anyone who lives in the Pac Northwest here?
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:27
I smoked it once. Not gonna do it again.
aw :(
may i inquire why not?



edit: the best bongs are homemade :)
the things you can do with an HP BBQ sauce bottle and a biro... ;)
The Internet Tough Guy
29-03-2005, 22:29
I smoked it once. Not gonna do it again.

You should, it only gets better.
The Tribes Of Longton
29-03-2005, 22:29
I was a nu-hippie, therefore I have earned the privilege, nay right, to post in this thread!

BTW, I saw that (UK) banned Simpsons where Homer becomes a stoner. I wanna spend my life singing 'Smoke on the Water' :D

Here's a question: what do you prefer - skunk or rocky? I know my version of an obvious answer, but I'd like to see general consensus...
Corisan
29-03-2005, 22:30
I just did a wake and bake. I am happy. :fluffle:
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:33
I was a nu-hippie, therefore I have earned the privilege, nay right, to post in this thread!

BTW, I saw that (UK) banned Simpsons where Homer becomes a stoner. I wanna spend my life singing 'Smoke on the Water' :D

Here's a question: what do you prefer - skunk or rocky? I know my version of an obvious answer, but I'd like to see general consensus...


skunk is nice, but give me white and crystally anytime
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:34
I was a nu-hippie, therefore I have earned the privilege, nay right, to post in this thread!

BTW, I saw that (UK) banned Simpsons where Homer becomes a stoner. I wanna spend my life singing 'Smoke on the Water' :D

Here's a question: what do you prefer - skunk or rocky? I know my version of an obvious answer, but I'd like to see general consensus...
lmao i love that simpsons ep! when Homer gets up in the morning, smokes a doob and rainbows come out of the cuts when he shaves.... fuckin hilarious :p then he gets in the car and flies to work :D

as a founder of the nu-hippie organisation (umm...thread ;) :p ) i can say i prefer skunk, no question. the only problem is it goes so fast :mad:
that said my flatmate and i do smoke faaar too much :p

then again, you can get decent solid. if its actual hash then it can be pretty good, but most of the stuff in the UK blows
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 22:34
Hooray all you who enjoy that wonderful healing herb! I wish you guys could come to Portland Oregon, best ganja in America! Just a little while ago I made a 3 1/2 foot bong that we could smoke out of, it gets me so ripped, and it tastes great! Anyone who lives in the Pac Northwest here?

Seattle, or just North of...
Jamil
29-03-2005, 22:35
aw :(
may i inquire why not?

I was never really sure if MJ was haram (forbidden) in Islam so just to be on the safe side... :D
The Tribes Of Longton
29-03-2005, 22:37
then again, you can get decent solid. if its actual hash then it can be pretty good, but most of the stuff in the UK blows
I got some when I was starting out that was awful - I swear they had mixed weed with diesel...

skunk is nice, but give me white and crystally anytime
You mean white widow?


As an extra, I got a baggy that had little crystals all inside as well as the leaf - someone tell me what this is, please? I've seen it before, but never so much.
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 22:39
I was never really sure if MJ was haram (forbidden) in Islam so just to be on the safe side... :D

You kidding me?

Where do you believe the word "assassin" comes from?

They used the "herb" to get their warriors "hyped" and would send them off to Battle...

And if you don't like the "smoke" you can always make brownies or cookies... :D

Regards,
Gaar
Ekland
29-03-2005, 22:40
This thread answers some questions I had about some of you.
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 22:42
This thread answers some questions I had about some of you.

Why?

Do you believe everyone who posts here uses marijuana? :p

Regards,
Gaar
The Tribes Of Longton
29-03-2005, 22:43
Why?

Do you believe everyone who posts here uses marijuana? :p

Regards,
Gaar
cheeky :p
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:43
I got some when I was starting out that was awful - I swear they had mixed weed with diesel...


You mean white widow?


As an extra, I got a baggy that had little crystals all inside as well as the leaf - someone tell me what this is, please? I've seen it before, but never so much.
crystals of THC (tetrahydracannabinol (SP?)), the main active ingredient in weed. good stuff :)
the crystals are produced when budding, and should really be all over all the buds you buy, but growers scrape em off (& keep em :mad: ) when they sell it... not fair. that's why homegrown is best :cool:

btw, get an electric grinder... they leave a deposit of this yellow powder (i foget the name) and a few crystals after grinding. let that build up then add it to a jay for one sweeet smoke ;)
Passive Cookies
29-03-2005, 22:44
...Oh the joys of being baked out of your skull.
Ekland
29-03-2005, 22:44
Why?

Do you believe everyone who posts here uses marijuana? :p

Regards,
Gaar

Nah, the true hippies are revealing themselves. :D
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:44
Seattle, or just North of...


I don't know, you are a libertarian, but hey, I've lost only one debate with you guys in person. If you ever get down to Portland, email me and I'll smoke you out. madison_dines@yahoo.com
The Tribes Of Longton
29-03-2005, 22:45
crystals of THC (tetrahydracannabinol (SP?)), the main active ingredient in weed. good stuff :)
the crystals are produced when budding, and should really be all over all the buds you buy, but growers scrape em off (& keep em :mad: ) when they sell it... not fair. that's why homegrown is best :cool:

btw, get an electric grinder... they leave a deposit of this yellow powder (i foget the name) and a few crystals after grinding. let that build up then add it to a jay for one sweeet smoke ;)
Yeah, my mate said it was THC, but then again he sold it to me, so...

And yes, I need a leccy grinder. I have this magnetic one but it's all plastic and therefore poor. Not that y'all can tell, but I'm fairly new to skunk.
Von Witzleben
29-03-2005, 22:46
I prefer hash over weed.
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:48
This thread answers some questions I had about some of you.
:confused: moi?


and fyi, a special guild/whatever of assasins used to get to get totally and utterly mashed before going on missions to slow down their movement and heightern awareness (like Urantia said). good idea.... i hate making noise when i'm toasted, but those assassins must have had amazing resolve not to wander off for snacks halfway through a mission :p

plus, how the fuck could they remember what they were supposed to be doing with that cheesewire and knife :confused:
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:49
crystals of THC (tetrahydracannabinol (SP?)), the main active ingredient in weed. good stuff :)
the crystals are produced when budding, and should really be all over all the buds you buy, but growers scrape em off (& keep em :mad: ) when they sell it... not fair. that's why homegrown is best :cool:

btw, get an electric grinder... they leave a deposit of this yellow powder (i foget the name) and a few crystals after grinding. let that build up then add it to a jay for one sweeet smoke ;)


It's called keef. No one here in Portland fucks with your weed. It is either filled with red hairs and super-dank, or crystalized up the wazoo. My dealer gets me Northern Lights and other stuff for the same price as regular ganja too. Definitely consider moving here. :cool:
Swimmingpool
29-03-2005, 22:49
Yeah I like it, maybe even prefer the effect to alcohol, but i hate smoking - alcohol is nicer to drink.
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 22:50
I don't know, you are a libertarian, but hey, I've lost only one debate with you guys in person. If you ever get down to Portland, email me and I'll smoke you out. madison_dines@yahoo.com

I am?

News to me...

Regards,
Gaar
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:50
Yeah, my mate said it was THC, but then again he sold it to me, so...

And yes, I need a leccy grinder. I have this magnetic one but it's all plastic and therefore poor. Not that y'all can tell, but I'm fairly new to skunk.
we had one for just a few hours till we had to give it to a mate as a birthday present... long enough to learn all the little nuances though :p
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:52
It's called keef. No one here in Portland fucks with your weed. It is either filled with red hairs and super-dank, or crystalized up the wazoo. My dealer gets me Northern Lights and other stuff for the same price as regular ganja too. Definitely consider moving here. :cool:
gah i would if i could :(
but then, i am moving to Amsterdam in 2 years! :D *drools at the thought*
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 22:54
:confused: moi?

and fyi, a special guild/whatever of assasins used to get to get totally and utterly mashed before going on missions to slow down their movement and heightern awareness (like Urantia said). good idea.... i hate making noise when i'm toasted, but those assassins must have had amazing resolve not to wander off for snacks halfway through a mission :p

plus, how the fuck could they remember what they were supposed to be doing with that cheesewire and knife :confused:

Actually, people believe it makes you stupid but...

It actually focuses your attention on one thing, not lessens it.

That's why people generally improve in tasks after having used it. They concentrate more on what they are doing. They may do it a bit slower but that is because they are concentrating on it more.

Regards,
Gaar
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:54
I am?

News to me...




Your positions in other threads led me to believe that you were. I could have smoked with you if you were a libertarian, but not if you're a conservative.


Sorry bro...
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 22:56
gah i would if i could :(
but then, i am moving to Amsterdam in 2 years! :D *drools at the thought*


Where do you live? Visit Portland and I'll smoke you out. :D
Pure Metal
29-03-2005, 22:57
Your positions in other threads led me to believe that you were. I could have smoked with you if you were a libertarian, but not if you're a conservative.


Sorry bro...
do you smoke with socialists, dude? :cool:
edit: i live in the UK :(


Actually, people believe it makes you stupid but...

It actually focuses your attention on one thing, not lessens it.

That's why people generally improve in tasks after having used it. They concentrate more on what they are doing. They may do it a bit slower but that is because they are concentrating on it more.

Regards,
Gaar
very true, but there are some things you still definatley shouldn't do when baked. driving and cooking spring to mind...
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 23:00
do you smoke with socialists, dude? :cool:
edit: i live in the UK :(






Hell yeah! I'm a Communist, of course I'd smoke with you!
Crap about living in the UK though. I've heard the weed is crap there. It definitely is if your bongs cost as much as they do.
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 23:02
Your positions in other threads led me to believe that you were. I could have smoked with you if you were a libertarian, but not if you're a conservative.

Sorry bro...

No problem, I understand...

I however do not carry such prejudices and am able to do such things with anyone who has an open mind.

Having your stances challenged is a good thing, it requires you to do a bit of "soul searching" as to why you support your stances.

And a good discussion based on the issues and not attacking your opponent is always a good thing!

:D :cool:

Besides, it isn't too long into these types of discussion that you forget what it was you were talking about and just start laughing at each other for how worked up you each got over it! :p

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 23:05
very true, but there are some things you still definatley shouldn't do when baked. driving and cooking spring to mind...

Understood and I agree with you, however...

There was a study done some years ago, I believe in the mid-'80's, that showed that driving DID improve after getting "stoned".

But again, I am not suggesting that anyone get stoned and drive, the people in the study were concentrating on the driving, there is no guarantee that everyone who does such would... :p

Regards,
Gaar
FairyTInkArisen
29-03-2005, 23:09
PM, please will you go on msn, i need a favour?
FairyTInkArisen
29-03-2005, 23:11
actualy nevermind
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 23:11
No problem, I understand...

I however do not carry such prejudices and am able to do such things with anyone who has an open mind.

Having your stances challenged is a good thing, it requires you to do a bit of "soul searching" as to why you support your stances.

And a good discussion based on the issues and not attacking your opponent is always a good thing!

:D :cool:

Besides, it isn't too long into these types of discussion that you forget what it was you were talking about and just start laughing at each other for how worked up you each got over it! :p

Regards,
Gaar



Of course I am open-minded enough to smoke with a conservative. My issue with you is with how you post. It seems condescending and elitist.


Er, why did you question me...

That's what I mean
You're probably a good guy in reality, just obnoxious in this forum.
The White Hats
29-03-2005, 23:12
Understood and I agree with you, however...

There was a study done some years ago, I believe in the mid-'80's, that showed that driving DID improve after getting "stoned".

But again, I am not suggesting that anyone get stoned and drive, the people in the study were concentrating on the driving, there is no guarantee that everyone who does such would... :p

Regards,
Gaar
I don't drive, so I can't talk to that, but I've cycled a lot when stoned and never had any problems. If anything it does make you safer, because you focus on the whole cycling/road environment thing that much more; and you tend to go slower, because you think you're going faster. Biker friends report similar effects on motorbikes. The drugs to avoid when on bikes of either type are the amphetemines or coke - they make you over-confident.

Oh, and Pure Metal, cooking is one of the best things you can do while stoned. Especially over an open fire under the stars, with beer ........
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 23:16
Of course I am open-minded enough to smoke with a conservative. My issue with you is with how you post. It seems condescending and elitist.

Er, why did you question me...

That's what I mean
You're probably a good guy in reality, just obnoxious in this forum.

I apologize if you take it that way, it is not the intent of the question.

Usually after making a statement, and not a question that I would like a response to, I ask a following question in order to let the person know I wouldn't mind having the statement addressed.

And I find that the more concise you can be in your writing in these types of Forums, the more likely you are to be clearly understood.

My want is for no one to question where I stand on a subject, I am hoping that I make myself very clear.

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
29-03-2005, 23:19
The drugs to avoid when on bikes of either type are the amphetemines or coke - they make you over-confident.

I would add Alcohol to that list, but that's just me.

Regards,
Gaar
Stop Banning Me Mods
29-03-2005, 23:22
I apologize if you take it that way, it is not the intent of the question.

Usually after making a statement, and not a question that I would like a response to, I ask a following question in order to let the person know I wouldn't mind having the statement addressed.

And I find that the more concise you can be in your writing in these types of Forums, the more likely you are to be clearly understood.

My want is for no one to question where I stand on a subject, I am hoping that I make myself very clear.

Regards,
Gaar

Don't worry, we know you're serious
The White Hats
29-03-2005, 23:26
I would add Alcohol to that list, but that's just me.

Regards,
Gaar
For sure.
Boonytopia
29-03-2005, 23:36
I don't mind the odd billy when I'm relaxing at home. I particularly like having a few cones, putting on some good music & going for a good long hoon on Gran Turismo (the endurance races are best).

The biggest problem I have, is that I don't smoke cigarettes because (amongst other things) I hate the taste. It's something I just have to put up with when having a choof.
Preebles
29-03-2005, 23:56
Hurrah!
*bounds into thread and hands out joints*
Jokobee
30-03-2005, 00:01
Duuuuuuude! Like...uh......what was the question?
International Terrans
30-03-2005, 00:02
*bounds into thread and hands out joints*
No thanks, man. I don't do any of it unless I have my bong. Joints are just nasty... expedience measures, nothing more.

I built my bong with a water bottle, a trumpet mouthpiece and a good deal of masking tape.

Also, I smoke up around twice a week. Usually by myself - true mark of a stoner.
Preebles
30-03-2005, 00:24
No thanks, man. I don't do any of it unless I have my bong. Joints are just nasty... expedience measures, nothing more.

I built my bong with a water bottle, a trumpet mouthpiece and a good deal of masking tape.

Also, I smoke up around twice a week. Usually by myself - true mark of a stoner.
Joints aren't so bad, as long as they're not rolled with tobacco, icky.

And you might want to reconsider your bong; plastic fumes are kinda toxic. Glass all the way!
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 00:29
I don't drive, so I can't talk to that, but I've cycled a lot when stoned and never had any problems. If anything it does make you safer, because you focus on the whole cycling/road environment thing that much more; and you tend to go slower, because you think you're going faster. Biker friends report similar effects on motorbikes. The drugs to avoid when on bikes of either type are the amphetemines or coke - they make you over-confident.

Oh, and Pure Metal, cooking is one of the best things you can do while stoned. Especially over an open fire under the stars, with beer ........
oh yeah that sounds great, just i keep putting things in the oven or on the hob & then totally forget about them :(
its not that one can't cook when stoned, its just better if you use a microwave :D

...or just eat cerial :p



Hurrah!
*bounds into thread and hands out joints*
wheeeeee!! w00t! *tokes liberally*




*forsees a possible repeat of the nu-hippie eventual-RP thread :D *
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:34
Joints aren't so bad, as long as they're not rolled with tobacco, icky.

I believe those are what is known as a "blunt" and not a joint.

And you might want to reconsider your bong; plastic fumes are kinda toxic. Glass all the way!

Hopefully he isn't "smoking" or even burning the plastic, that would be bad.

Otherwise, just using a device that is made from plastic should not have any ill affect.

Regards,
Gaar
Preebles
30-03-2005, 00:38
I believe those are what is known as a "blunt" and not a joint.
I've heard them called joints. I think people here use the terms interchangeably...



Hopefully he isn't "smoking" or even burning the plastic, that would be bad.

Otherwise, just using a device that is made from plastic should not have any ill affect.

Regards,
Gaar
Again, I've heard differently. I mean if there's heat near plastic it would give off fumes. It's probably not an issue unless you're smoking all the time, but yeah.
Potaria
30-03-2005, 00:41
*tears pages from a standard issue Mormon Bible*

*rolls blunts*

Free Bible Blunts for everyone!!
Red Sox Fanatics
30-03-2005, 00:45
*fights urge to start quoting Cypress Hill lyrics*
I've been smoking since college (18 years), and I've found there's nothing better than some killer skunk w/ a dual chamber bong, or maybe a good tasting wood pipe.
And yes, you guys are right about the NW ruling the "bud world". Best stuff I ever had came from near Seattle. Buds the size of golf balls that would stick to the wall!
Praise Jah for his wonderful gift!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:45
*Mormon Bible*

Isn't that an Oxymoron? :p

Just kidding Mormons! You know God loves you...

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:47
And yes, you guys are right about the NW ruling the "bud world". Best stuff I ever had came from near Seattle. Buds the size of golf balls that would stick to the wall!
Praise Jah for his wonderful gift!

Golf Balls?

Try Softballs... :D

And yes, it sticks to anything it touches!

Regards,
Gaar

EDIT: Not that I would have any first hand knowledge of any such thing... :p
Preebles
30-03-2005, 00:50
We should go down to Durban for a bit, the 'erb grows wild there. Durban Poison...

My aunt was growing some. :eek:
Potaria
30-03-2005, 00:52
Back in 2002, I took a road trip through Arkansas and Oklahoma. When we reached the hills of Arkansas, the unthinkable appeared --- MASSIVELY GIGANTIC MARIJUANA PLANTS!

These motherfuckers were at least fifteen feet tall. There were thousands lining the roads! The buds were full, too. It was... Something to behold!

If you don't believe me, just take the interstate to Hot Springs. You'll see them for yourself.
Potaria
30-03-2005, 00:52
We should go down to Durban for a bit, the 'erb grows wild there. Durban Poison...

My aunt was growing some. :eek:

Your aunt kicks ass.
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 00:54
I believe those are what is known as a "blunt" and not a joint.
in the UK & Europe, a joint is rolled with tobacco. a blunt is just weed rolled without tobacco in tobbacco rolling paper. a paper 'joint' without tobacco is unheard of. apparently thats how you lot do it over in the US :confused:
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:54
Back in 2002, I took a road trip through Arkansas and Oklahoma. When we reached the hills of Arkansas, the unthinkable appeared --- MASSIVELY GIGANTIC MARIJUANA PLANTS!

These motherfuckers were at least fifteen feet tall. There were thousands lining the roads! The buds were full, too. It was... Something to behold!

If you don't believe me, just take the interstate to Hot Springs. You'll see them for yourself.

It could be a Government controlled grow for doing testing...

Were they behind any type of fencing?

Regards,
Gaar
Potaria
30-03-2005, 00:55
It could be a Government controlled grow for doing testing...

Were they behind any type of fencing?

Regards,
Gaar

No. They were lining the sides of the road. There were also thousands of seeds. You could just pull your car over, cut down a few giants, harvest the buds, and drive off.
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:57
in the UK & Europe, a joint is rolled with tobacco. a blunt is just weed rolled without tobacco in tobbacco rolling paper. a paper 'joint' without tobacco is unheard of. apparently thats how you lot do it over in the US :confused:

That's what I heard...

I had a friend who visited Amsterdam, and the Europeans were quite taken aback that he would roll a joint with just marijuana.

I don't know any U.S. citizens who do such things, although some may.

Just sounds weird mixing the two.

I myself cannot smoke cigarettes, they actually make me sick to my stomache.

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 00:58
No. They were lining the sides of the road. There were also thousands of seeds. You could just pull your car over, cut down a few giants, harvest the buds, and drive off.

Wow, that would be a sight...

Just don't get caught taking it down or transporting it, they won't care where it came from.

Regards,
Gaar
Anarchic Conceptions
30-03-2005, 01:03
in the UK & Europe, a joint is rolled with tobacco. a blunt is just weed rolled without tobacco in tobbacco rolling paper. a paper 'joint' without tobacco is unheard of. apparently thats how you lot do it over in the US :confused:
Odd, I don't use tobacco except for about a centimetre next to the roach.

Meh, but I'm the only person I know that does that.
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 01:05
Again, I've heard differently. I mean if there's heat near plastic it would give off fumes. It's probably not an issue unless you're smoking all the time, but yeah.
ok the best bong is made from a small bottle of HP BBQ sauce:

http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/hp_sauce_plastic_bottle.jpg


burn holes a) on one of the sides approx 3 cm up from the base (small hole), and b) approx where one's thumb is when holding the bottle.

next take a biro (pen):

http://www.blinman.com/biro_1.jpg

take out the ink bit and open the ends. shove it through the lower hole as far as it will go, 'pointed' end first.

use:

http://candles.genwax.com/candle_mainimage_vendor/P0615494.jpg

to seal the hole with the tape and/or blu-tak

http://www.smspower.org/smsreader/blutack.jpg

fill with fresh, cold water up to just above the end of the pen or approx 2cm full, stick a jay in the end and, and, for some reason, this gives a really really nice & smooth smoke :)
plus it's one-handed! all my mates have been dead impressed with this little bong and we've all made our own personal versions :D

yes it's nothing new, but this just works really well :cool:
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 01:07
That's what I heard...

I had a friend who visited Amsterdam, and the Europeans were quite taken aback that he would roll a joint with just marijuana.

I don't know any U.S. citizens who do such things, although some may.

Just sounds weird mixing the two.

I myself cannot smoke cigarettes, they actually make me sick to my stomache.

Regards,
Gaar
yeah i read how you (crazy) americans roll in a book, and apparently you all hate to smoke our European joints :D
that said i would think smoking a just-weed joint would be a bit wierd... plus surely they don't burn very well and keep going out?
Preebles
30-03-2005, 01:08
ok the best bong is made from a small bottle of HP BBQ sauce:

http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/hp_sauce_plastic_bottle.jpg


burn holes a) on one of the sides approx 3 cm up from the base (small hole), and b) approx where one's thumb is when holding the bottle.

next take a biro (pen):

http://www.blinman.com/biro_1.jpg

take out the ink bit and open the ends. shove it through the lower hole as far as it will go, 'pointed' end first.

use:

http://candles.genwax.com/candle_mainimage_vendor/P0615494.jpg

to seal the hole with the tape and/or blu-tak

http://www.smspower.org/smsreader/blutack.jpg

fill with fresh, cold water up to just above the end of the pen or approx 2cm full, stick a jay in the end and, and, for some reason, this gives a really really nice & smooth smoke :)
plus it's one-handed! all my mates have been dead impressed with this little bong and we've all made our own personal versions :D

yes it's nothing new, but this just works really well :cool:

Does it have to be an HP sauce bottle? :p :D

Edit: Yeah, pure weed joints to just go out. Meh, it's about the same as smoking a pipe I guess. :p
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 01:10
Does it have to be an HP sauce bottle? :p :D
hehe no, but they work best ;)


edit: you smoke just-weed joints in australia too?
Preebles
30-03-2005, 01:12
edit: you smoke just-weed joints in australia too?
Indeed we do. Although most people seem to mix tobacco in.
Potaria
30-03-2005, 01:13
Indeed we do. Although most people seem to mix tobacco in.

Pure, long-cut weed is the only way to go. No Tobacco for me!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 01:13
yeah i read how you (crazy) americans roll in a book, and apparently you all hate to smoke our European joints :D
that said i would think smoking a just-weed joint would be a bit wierd... plus surely they don't burn very well and keep going out?

Sounds like someone’s not drying out their "stuff" very well...

:p

And I actually prefer a "water pipe", as many other have noted here.

The thing is... We here in the U.S. don't have to resort to making ours out of "other stuff" they sell "water pipes" (that's what you have to call them in the shops) by the gross here!

:D

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 01:18
How so many people can break the Law and yet no one is harmed?

Doesn't that beg the question: How can it be breaking a Law if no one else's Rights are harmed in any way?

You just gotta wonder why!?!?!

Regards,
Gaar
Potaria
30-03-2005, 01:20
How so many people can break the Law and yet no one is harmed?

Doesn't that beg the question: How can it be breaking a Law if no one else's Rights are harmed in any way?

You just gotta wonder why!?!?!

Regards,
Gaar

More thinking like this from you, and you'll be up for my Special Award!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 01:26
More thinking like this from you, and you'll be up for my Special Award!

I am not sure what you mean by "more"...

I would contend that I always espouse that as an ideal. The perfect sentence for describing how I apply any such Moral to my or anyone else's conduct is:

Your Right's end where my Right's begin and vice versa!

Regards,
Gaar

EDIT: So, just as I have no Right to tell someone what they may put in their Coffee to drink, they have no Right telling me what I can put in my Pipe and smoke! :D
Gnomish Republics
30-03-2005, 01:27
It's called mushrooms...
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 01:27
Sounds like someone’s not drying out their "stuff" very well...

:p

And I actually prefer a "water pipe", as many other have noted here.

The thing is... We here in the U.S. don't have to resort to making ours out of "other stuff" they sell "water pipes" (that's what you have to call them in the shops) by the gross here!

:D

Regards,
Gaar
lol it just never occurred to me (or most people over here) to smoke without the tobacco. its just how its done *shrugs*

and bongs are for sale over here (called 'bongs' too, but they're strictly "ornamental" :p ) and most towns have a shop for em. in cardiff we have a good 4 shops selling bongs n things. they also sell legal herbal highs... which includes salvia divinorum... love that stuff :)
Great Beer and Food
30-03-2005, 01:45
if Gataway_Driver is doing a thread for booze-hounds, i'm doing a thread for the potheads of NS :D . come one, come all! talk all things green and pure :)

i'm pretty sad at the mo... i've got 3 weeks of holiday and no smoke for the whole time :( :(

Woot! Sounds like a cue for a bong hit over here in Humboldt county, where I live...and you know what that means!! Got my 215 so the law can f right off :)
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 10:56
bump


no wake n bake today :(




...






no weed http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/traurig/sad-smiley-009.gif
Legless Pirates
30-03-2005, 11:03
bump


no wake n bake today :(




...






no weed http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/traurig/sad-smiley-009.gif
*Comforts PM* :fluffle:
Anger-land
30-03-2005, 11:05
And if you don't like the "smoke" you can always make brownies or cookies... :D

Regards,
Gaar

I gave up smoking - tobacco - and smoking anything else just gets me back on that stuff.

Please tell me how to make brownies or cookies - seriously I need a recipe.

Q-R Boudicca Maximus LXXVII
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 11:11
I gave up smoking - tobacco - and smoking anything else just gets me back on that stuff.

Please tell me how to make brownies or cookies - seriously I need a recipe.

Q-R Boudicca Maximus LXXVII

Just blend up about a quarter ounce until it has the consistency of a rough flour and add it to you favorite Brownie or Cookie recipe...

I like Cookies with butterscotch, chocolate chips and nuts. The more different stuff you add, the better you mask the "other" flavor.

Oh, and if you add a bit of cinnamon to whatever you make it even helps mask that "other" flavor!

Regards,
Gaar
Alexonium
30-03-2005, 11:14
I smoke once a week or so
Moleland
30-03-2005, 11:21
*Stares at thread with horror*
Killer Bud
30-03-2005, 11:35
I just find it hilarious that a drug like marijuana is illegal, people are charged and put in jail for simple possession. If you compared it to the dangers of alcohol, it makes you wonder how alcohol ever got legalized in the first place. People drink alcohol end up dying of alcohol poisoning, drunk driving or show signs of aggressive behaviour. While I've never heard of someone dying from weed poisoning, you hardly hear any real reports about marijuana users dying in a DUI, and people who get high would rather laugh and joke around than start a bar fight or beat their wives.
Boodicka
30-03-2005, 11:59
Please tell me how to make brownies or cookies - seriously I need a recipe.
THC is fat soluble, so you can immerse it in melted butter overnight, and then strain the herbs out. You can then use this butter for cooking in any recipe or spreading on your toast.

I've only smoked it once...I hate smoking and that mangoey smell. I loved the laughing that subsequently occured. The link with THC exacerbating psychotic symptoms in succeptible individuals was also a concern to me. The real clincher was having a flatmate who smoked heavily, dropped out of uni, and started stealing money from my wallet to score. Coming home to a house full of second hand smoke kinda took the shine off the whole dope thing...
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 12:23
*Stares at thread with horror*
:confused: :(
Moleland
30-03-2005, 12:32
That's right! looked confused!
Glinde Nessroe
30-03-2005, 12:33
if Gataway_Driver is doing a thread for booze-hounds, i'm doing a thread for the potheads of NS :D . come one, come all! talk all things green and pure :)

i'm pretty sad at the mo... i've got 3 weeks of holiday and no smoke for the whole time :( :(
Sure wish I was as cool as you that my life was so boring I depended on drugs to have fun.
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 12:38
Sure wish I was as cool as you that my life was so boring I depended on drugs to have fun.
mnyeah mnyeah mnyeah... aren't we clever? lighten up. i'm sure you feel really big right now. well done, small, closed minded.... *rants*


That's right! looked confused!
:confused: :confused: :cool:
Moleland
30-03-2005, 12:40
kEEP UP... PROVES HOW THE DRUGS HAVE DAMAGED YOUR BRAIN!
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 12:44
kEEP UP... PROVES HOW THE DRUGS HAVE DAMAGED YOUR BRAIN!
damaged wha? :confused:
Moleland
30-03-2005, 12:49
Told ya!

LOL
Atagea
30-03-2005, 12:54
How so many people can break the Law and yet no one is harmed?

Doesn't that beg the question: How can it be breaking a Law if no one else's Rights are harmed in any way?

You just gotta wonder why!?!?!

Regards,
Gaar

Not true - cannabis isn't without it's adverse effects. Clinical studies are starting to show that heavy use can trigger mental illness is susceptible people, cause problems with attention span, short term memory, decrease in IQ and a few other things. I personally know a couple of people who have had these problems after heavy use (i.e. regularly smoking cannabis over a couple of years) - their symptoms included paranoia, short term memory problems and generally 'dozyness'. This improved slowly after they gave up cannabis and they're pretty much back to normal after a couple of years.

I'm not saying it's worse than alcohol or saying you shouldn't take it, but you should be aware of the risks so you can make an informed choice - just like you do if you smoke cigarettes or get wrecked on whisky

:)
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 12:54
kEEP UP... PROVES HOW THE DRUGS HAVE DAMAGED YOUR BRAIN!

Yeah Mole, and it is your Right to care, why?

You have some Right to tell others what they should and should not do, how?

Where did you get this Right?

You may feel free to live by what ever Morals you choose to and be a shining example for you community, and no one is going to stop you.

How do you have some Right to force those Morals of yours on others, is what I would like to know?

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 12:55
Not true - cannabis isn't without it's adverse effects. Clinical studies are starting to show that heavy use can trigger mental illness is susceptible people, cause problems with attention span, short term memory, decrease in IQ and a few other things. I personally know a couple of people who have had these problems after heavy use (i.e. regularly smoking cannabis over a couple of years) - their symptoms included paranoia, short term memory problems and generally 'dozyness'. This improved slowly after they gave up cannabis and they're pretty much back to normal after a couple of years.

I'm not saying it's worse than alcohol or saying you shouldn't take it, but you should be aware of the risks so you can make an informed choice - just like you do if you smoke cigarettes or get wrecked on whisky

:)

I have an IQ of 152 and have used since I was 13, regularly...

Refute that.

Regards,
Gaar

EDIT: And it has increased throughout my life, my first test was when I was 10 and I registered a 133 at the time.
Moleland
30-03-2005, 12:56
*Loads Shotgun*

It was a joke

*Fires Shotgun*

But I have the right to my opinion

*Reloads shotgun*

I have expressed my opinion.

You don't have the right to tell me I don't have the right!!!!
Moleland
30-03-2005, 12:57
I have an IQ of 152 and have used since I was 13, regularly...

Refute that.

Regards,
Gaar

High IQ does not mean you are smart... Just shows your potentional...
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 12:59
*Loads Shotgun*

It was a joke

*Fires Shotgun*

But I have the right to my opinion

*Reloads shotgun*

I have expressed my opinion.

You don't have the right to tell me I don't have the right!!!!

I have never suggested you don't have a Right to an opinion...

I was just wondering where you thought you got these other Rights I was asking about.

Regards,
Gaar
Bakguava
30-03-2005, 13:03
Hooray all you who enjoy that wonderful healing herb! I wish you guys could come to Portland Oregon, best ganja in America! Just a little while ago I made a 3 1/2 foot bong that we could smoke out of, it gets me so ripped, and it tastes great! Anyone who lives in the Pac Northwest here?


Portland has good reefer, thats for sure, but im sorry friend. IF you want truely great canibis prime weed go to Ellensburg Washington, just a few hours from portland, its a small city with enough chronic to feast for months...

stickiest of the icky
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:04
I have never suggested you don't have a Right to an opinion...

I was just wondering where you thought you got these other Rights I was asking about.

Regards,
Gaar

The law, and freedom of speech...

Anyway, the laws in most countries don't allow you to commit this crime say ha!

*Awaits backlash*
Those that Bibble
30-03-2005, 13:07
damaged wha? :confused:

=)

Never thought my first post would be on _this_ topic.... =P

Have recently given up my precious precious weed, being very grown up and working too long days to put up with 'bong-brain' the next day....

But am amazingly impressed at the lack of after effects. I've been smoking for...(hmm adding up...) 10 years? about 6 of them every night. And my brain is ready and raring as ever. And still managed to get my Social Sciences degree and IT masters with Distinction average during that time. I love that. Weed is one of those drugs that is truely non-addictive in itself (so long as your personality dictacts that - hey _food_ can be addictive with the right (or rather wrong) personality...like mine!) and you return to your normal state after you give up. No side effects. Except maybe a very open mind.

There are those who can get psychosis from it (I know, my housemate/best friend was one of them, he is now a 'recovering' schizophrenic), but most people have the sense to stop when they are feeling bad effects from or just don't like the stuff. From my psych studies I seem to remember talk like 'it would be rare in the extreme to get psychotic from a 1 time smoke, it's an accumulative effect'.

Sorry, ranting now... (hands around virtual joints to chill with, grins through the smoke and ambient music) :cool:
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:11
High IQ does not mean you are smart... Just shows your potentional...

Understood...

I also scored in the 99% on the ASVAB in my senior year of High School.

I like to think I put these smarts to good use. You are welcome to test them if you like.

Shall we discuss a few of the thousands of studies that have been done with marijuana over the last 4 decades? Making it actually one of the most researched substances known to man?

You were aware of that, right?

If not, why would you suppose that most people don't know there has been reams of studies done on marijuana?

How about the study that shows marijuana does NO Brain damage what-so-ever?

Or shall we discuss that some of the Scientists behind the study you cite say that the levels they see are not far above the levels associated with what happens in the general Public? That they cannot definitively associate the increased mental illness with the use.

And that despite the signs of memory difficulties while under the influence, there are no long term affects on memory and that people who used regularly were far less likely to exhibit the short term affects.

Now, I am not advocating its use in any manner. Just, like you, want to make sure everyone is fully informed on the subject, and see both sides of the discussion.

And perhaps you can explain if you feel you have some Right to outlaw it in our Society?

Regards,
Gaar
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:15
Understood...

I also scored in the 99% on the ASVAB in my senior year of High School.

I like to think I put these smarts to good use. You are welcome to test them if you like.

Shall we discuss a few of the thousands of studies that have been done with marijuana over the last 4 decades? Making it actually one of the most researched substances known to man?

You were aware of that, right?

If not, why would you suppose that most people don't know there has been reams of studies done on marijuana?

How about the study that shows marijuana does NO Brain damage what-so-ever?

Or shall we discuss that some of the Scientists behind the study you cite say that the levels they see are not far above the levels associated with what happens in the general Public? That they cannot definitively associate the increased mental illness with the use.

And that despite the signs of memory difficulties while under the influence, there are no long term affects on memory and that people who used regularly were far less likely to exhibit the short term affects.

Now, I am not advocating its use in any manner. Just, like you, want to make sure everyone is fully informed on the subject, and see both sides of the discussion.

And perhaps you can explain if you feel you have some Right to outlaw it in our Society?

Regards,
Gaar

First of all may i thank you for not screaming at me..

Well done... You might be one of the lucky ones.

The fact remains that...

1. Smoking this stuff gets poisons into your body... what do you think a high is?

2. It is expensive..... Surely you could put the money to better use?
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:16
The law, and freedom of speech...

Anyway, the laws in most countries don't allow you to commit this crime say ha!

*Awaits backlash*

Yeah, I was wondering where you thought you got the Right to make such Laws?

You cannot "codify" the Law with the Law, can you? Isn't that circular-Reasoning?

Regards,
Gaar
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:17
Well, that's my bases... That is why people are allowed to have fioghts when drunk, but not be high...

I'm sure everything will be legal one day..
Harlesburg
30-03-2005, 13:22
You kidding me?

Where do you believe the word "assassin" comes from?

They used the "herb" to get their warriors "hyped" and would send them off to Battle...

And if you don't like the "smoke" you can always make brownies or cookies... :D

Regards,
Gaar
Yeah but guess what Violence is a NO NO!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:23
1. Smoking this stuff gets poisons into your body... what do you think a high is?

2. It is expensive..... Surely you could put the money to better use?

The "High" is the cannabanoids(sp) interacting with your Brain cells. They "block" your use of them for a while.

The study about Brain damage, completed in the late 80's or early 90's, as I recall, showed that cannabanoids had the perfect "receptor" in the Brain and that they did no damage to the cell what-so-ever. You just didn't get to use it for a while.

It is also the reason it is good at blocking pain. The synapses in the Brain are not able to transmit as many pain signals.

And it costs relatively nothing if you can produce it for yourself. Which I am not advocating, just refuting your statement.

And smoking is not the only way to "ingest" marijuana mind you.

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:24
Yeah but guess what Violence is a NO NO!

Never said it wasn't...

Just explaining there is History there. :D

Regards,
Gaar
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:26
Just saying... There are many things we don't know about drugs yet...

Anyhow... These studies can only Suggest this affect. Not Prove it.
Harlesburg
30-03-2005, 13:27
Never said it wasn't...

Just explaining there is History there. :D

Regards,
Gaar
Yeah tis true i would have used the same Statement too!
"Great Minds think alike lesser minds a few moments later?" :D
Ive never smoked it but have been in the same room as people who have so EH!?!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:31
Just saying... There are many things we don't know about drugs yet...

Anyhow... These studies can only Suggest this affect. Not Prove it.

Understood.

But that isn't my question to you, I am merely offering empirical data to back my position.

My question to you is, where does our Government have any Right to make Laws against things that have no "victim"? Where is a persons Right to face an accuser when we make such Laws?

In other words, I believe Drug Laws are Unconstitutional, and so I am asking you to explain where you believe Drug Laws have any Constitutional standing what-so-ever?

Regards,
Gaar
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:33
Ok..

Possibly.

I understand the problem here.

If everyone was stoned out of there skulls, nothing would happen. Everybody would be to Stoned to do anything.

It is to protect us from ourselves...
Chronic PotSmokers
30-03-2005, 13:35
Wake and Bake w/ skunk...It's nature's way of saying High!!
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 13:37
Ok..

Possibly.

I understand the problem here.

If everyone was stoned out of there skulls, nothing would happen. Everybody would be to Stoned to do anything.

It is to protect us from ourselves...

And that is written in our Constitution where?

Regards,
Gaar
Making Love and War
30-03-2005, 13:39
I was never really sure if MJ was haram (forbidden) in Islam so just to be on the safe side... :D

This might be TOTAL bullshit but i thought I heard it somewhere years ago

the north africa blond hash is produced in such a way that it is not haram, but the black hashes of Asia is produced in such a way that it is.

Just grass, dont know

Dont quote my on that, by the way
Moleland
30-03-2005, 13:40
Nowhere

I understand your argument...

But I still think drugs are foolish and will not touch them.

Frankly, I don't care. But they are illegal where I live, and therefore wrong.

Really, smoking cigerettes and alcohol should be banned as well...
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 14:07
Nowhere

I understand your argument...

But I still think drugs are foolish and will not touch them.

Frankly, I don't care. But they are illegal where I live, and therefore wrong.

Really, smoking cigarettes and alcohol should be banned as well...

How do you say you understand my argument in one breath, and then say you think we should outlaw Alcohol and Tobacco too?

May I ask if "you" have any vices yourself?

Do you like cream in your coffee or something like that?

Regards,
Gaar
See u Jimmy
30-03-2005, 14:38
How do you say you understand my argument in one breath, and then say you think we should outlaw Alcohol and Tobacco too?
May I ask if "you" have any vices yourself?
Do you like cream in your coffee or something like that?
Regards,
Gaar

Undersanding does not mean agreement

I have vice's. But Agree with Moleman on Banning all non-medical Drugs.

One reason, Cannabis stays in the blood for 14 days. Therefore you are to some degree under the influence for this time, Will you during the 14 days drive, etc?
Pure Metal
30-03-2005, 14:48
time for my two cents...

as far as i know weed does help trigger psycological problems such as schizophrenia in those pre-disposed to the condition. it does not kill brain cells or make you more stupid. it is one of the most researched illegal substances out there. it is around 6 times as carcinogenic than tobacco, but less of it is smoked gram-for-gram than baccy, so the net carcinogenic effect is roughly equal. it is physically non-addictive but highly psycologically addictive. it does damage some cells in the brain (not brain cells per se) - endorphin receptors. this is why it is often wrongly thought marijuana causes depression. the herb is one of the most vociferous wild growing plants on the planet and has been used for literally thousands of years, recreationally and in industry. there are 3 main types: cannabis sativa, cannabis indica and the other one (yeah it causes memory problems!). the first two contain high levels (between 5 and 20%) of tetrahydracannabinol (THC), the primary active ingredient. the third contains less than 2% THC and was used for thousands of years to make clothes, rope, paper, and all sorts of useful stuff. in the 1920s in the USA Harry Anslinger (http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm) of the newly formed Federal Beauro of Narcotics made it his personal mission to disrepute marijuana, spreading lies about how it made the user a drug-crazed maniac and addict. this, coupled with pressure from a number of major printing press firms to outlaw the weed lead to its current negative social stigma and legal position around the world. one of the most effective propoganda campaigns ever.

damn, had that half written & was called away for about an hour... probably not on topic anymore, but oh well...
Moleland
30-03-2005, 15:39
How do you say you understand my argument in one breath, and then say you think we should outlaw Alcohol and Tobacco too?

May I ask if "you" have any vices yourself?

Do you like cream in your coffee or something like that?

Regards,
Gaar

What I meant was, because weed is banned, so should they. I don't like coffee or tea...
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 16:35
One reason, Cannabis stays in the blood for 14 days. Therefore you are to some degree under the influence for this time, Will you during the 14 days drive, etc?

Yeah, and are you "drunk" with just trace levels of Alcohol in your system?

Intoxicant levels could be found and set for marijuana use...

Again, you are Legislating Morals and I want to know where you get the Right.

It isn't good enough to just say it "does the community harm" cause McDonald's Burgers do the community harm, but I can't outlaw them, can I?

I can understand you guys not wanting to address "your" vices specifically, cause then we can make the argument that your vice does harm and should be made illegal, right?

So where would such Laws end?

The only reason such things can be done is because people like yourself refuse to address other people Right's, why is that?

I keep bringing up the Constitution and my Rights in it, and you just keep dismissing it...

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 16:36
What I meant was, because weed is banned, so should they. I don't like coffee or tea...

Again, show me where you have ANY Right to do it, and we can talk...

Regards,
Gaar
The White Hats
30-03-2005, 22:39
.....

I keep bringing up the Constitution and my Rights in it, and you just keep dismissing it...

Regards,
Gaar
I think part of the problem may be that you were arguing with non-Americans on the basis of the American constitution. It's not so much they were dismissing it as the fact that your constitution don't apply to us in the UK. That, and we're not likely to know (or care) much about how it applies to you.
Squirrel Nuts
30-03-2005, 23:14
Wake and Bake w/ skunk...It's nature's way of saying High!!To wake and bake is one of the most beautiful things in the world. I'd be able to do it all the time if I didn't live with my parents still.

Someone mentioned the cost earlier and I want to say that as long as you have a job you can afford it. It's not that expensive.
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 23:19
I think part of the problem may be that you were arguing with non-Americans on the basis of the American constitution. It's not so much they were dismissing it as the fact that your constitution don't apply to us in the UK. That, and we're not likely to know (or care) much about how it applies to you.

Well, I guess you may be entitled to restrict others Rights in any way you choose in the UK...

That isn't how we are supposed to do things here in the U.S.

So, just as you have no regard for my Rights, I guess I should have no regard for yours?!?!

You see, I don't JUST believe in MY Constitution, I also believe in what is otherwise known as "Moral Absolutes".

Regards,
Gaar
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 23:21
Someone mentioned the cost earlier and I want to say that as long as you have a job you can afford it. It's not that expensive.

I agree.

Much less expensive than going out for a few drinks...

Regards,
Gaar
The White Hats
30-03-2005, 23:27
Well, I guess you may be entitled to restrict others Rights in any way you choose in the UK...

That isn't how we are supposed to do things here in the U.S.

So, just as you have no regard for my Rights, I guess I should have no regard for yours?!?!

You see, I don't JUST believe in MY Constitution, I also believe in what is otherwise known as "Moral Absolutes".

Regards,
Gaar
Lighten up. I was merely pointing out that you were couching your argument in terms of (American) constitutional rights, which is an argument that non-Americans are going to have some difficulty engaging with. Don't take everything as a personal attack on yourself.
Preebles
30-03-2005, 23:55
I agree.

Much less expensive than going out for a few drinks...

Regards,
Gaar
OMG, I AGREE with you on something!!! :eek: :D
Potaria
30-03-2005, 23:56
OMG, I AGREE with you on something!!! :eek: :D

It's a strange feeling, isn't it?
Urantia II
30-03-2005, 23:58
Lighten up. I was merely pointing out that you were couching your argument in terms of (American) constitutional rights, which is an argument that non-Americans are going to have some difficulty engaging with. Don't take everything as a personal attack on yourself.

And I merely pointed out that I also had other Rights that are not part of the American Constitution, and wanted to see if you recognized those Rights... So that having to "know (or care) much about" Rights I may have in the U.S. didn't need to be the reasoning behind my having the Right I was suggesting.

Why would you feel attacked for being challenged on other merits of the discussion?

Perhaps because instead of having to address the new point you wanted to divert the discussion to me?

Why would you need to do such a thing?

Regards,
Gaar
Legless Pirates
31-03-2005, 00:08
Gaar. That's the dutch word for stoned :fluffle:
Moonshine
31-03-2005, 01:12
I believe those are what is known as a "blunt" and not a joint.


A blunt is made from a tobacco leaf. A joint is made from several cigarette papers, joined. Usually three. Sometimes five or seven if you're feeling adventurous, sometimes an L-shaped two-paper concoction if you're feeling a little paupered. Hence "joint".
Moonshine
31-03-2005, 01:21
That's what I heard...

I had a friend who visited Amsterdam, and the Europeans were quite taken aback that he would roll a joint with just marijuana.


I know one or two Dutch people who would balk at introducing such impurities as tobacco into their smokes. Round here a pure-weed joint is sometimes called a "dealer's spliff". Sometimes laced with the rocky stuff to make sure you end up completely blitzed.
Legless Pirates
31-03-2005, 01:23
It's just to keep the damn thing lighted
Moonshine
31-03-2005, 01:32
The link with THC exacerbating psychotic symptoms in succeptible individuals was also a concern to me. The real clincher was having a flatmate who smoked heavily, dropped out of uni, and started stealing money from my wallet to score. Coming home to a house full of second hand smoke kinda took the shine off the whole dope thing...

Incidentally, all of the above also occur with alcohol. Of course no newspaper would mention that as well when "STONER KILLS FLATMATE WITH SAMURAI SWORD" makes for much better reading.

So never mind the drunken idiots beating each other up every day. Let's focus on the one time out of a billion when someone does something when high on something other than alcohol!

Not a jibe at you. Seriously, sorry to hear about your misfortune. I just also happen to have had simliar experiences with alcoholics.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 06:34
A blunt is made from a tobacco leaf. A joint is made from several cigarette papers, joined. Usually three. Sometimes five or seven if you're feeling adventurous, sometimes an L-shaped two-paper concoction if you're feeling a little paupered. Hence "joint".Dude what size papers do you use? With 1.5 inch ones you can make a good sized joint. I only attach them if they're the super small ones which suck. Except for last Friday. I rolled one hell of a fattie with several 1.5in papers.
Lascivious Maximus
31-03-2005, 07:08
Dude what size papers do you use? With 1.5 inch ones you can make a good sized joint. I only attach them if they're the super small ones which suck. Except for last Friday. I rolled one hell of a fattie with several 1.5in papers.
Maybe hes one of those that feels it proper to mix tobacco with his greens...

Speaking of which, how many of you commit this sinful deed?

For me, when I smoke, which these days is not at all... I roll only salad. ;)
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:11
Maybe hes one of those that feels it proper to mix tobacco with his greens...

Speaking of which, how many of you commit this sinful deed?

For me, when I smoke, which these days is not at all... I roll only salad. ;)Never done it. Never will. While I love tobacco, it has no place in my greens.
Occidio Multus
31-03-2005, 07:17
how the hell do weed smokers unite? they would forget about the meeting...or fall asleep. or, be to be busy using other illicit substances, because we all know its the gateway drug.........
New Sancrosanctia
31-03-2005, 07:19
how the hell do weed smokers unite? they would forget about the meeting...or fall asleep. or, be to be busy using other illicit substances, because we all know its the gateway drug.........
or if they're me, they would tweak off their ass, and mutter things about lizard men speaking in tongues. but that only happened once.
Urantia II
31-03-2005, 07:20
Never done it. Never will. While I love tobacco, it has no place in my greens.

What, are you Nuts! :p

Nevermind, I guess you are... ;)

Why would anyone mix them? :confused:

Regards,
Gaar
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:21
how the hell do weed smokers unite? they would forget about the meeting...or fall asleep. or, be to be busy using other illicit substances, because we all know its the gateway drug.........
LOL. We're not all that out of it. I might however be busy shooting heroin into my toes. If only I hadn't smoked that sweet sweet gateway drug. It's all pot's fault.
Urantia II
31-03-2005, 07:22
how the hell do weed smokers unite? they would forget about the meeting...or fall asleep. or, be to be busy using other illicit substances, because we all know its the gateway drug.........

Just tell them you will have one of those multi-hosed water pipes at the meeting...

They'll be there! :D

Regards,
Gaar
Domici
31-03-2005, 07:23
To wake and bake is one of the most beautiful things in the world. I'd be able to do it all the time if I didn't live with my parents still.

Someone mentioned the cost earlier and I want to say that as long as you have a job you can afford it. It's not that expensive.

Job!?

It's a friggin weed. That's why they call it that. All you need is a box of dirt and some sunshine and you can have all you want. In the back of the student union of my college a bunch of stoners used to hang out and smoke up. They'd throw their roaches on the ground and they weren't too picky about picking out the seeds.

After a few weeks there was a nice little weed garden getting started. Then management found it. The students were asked to quit their jobs at the student union, but no other disciplinary action was taken.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:25
Job!?

It's a friggin weed. That's why they call it that. All you need is a box of dirt and some sunshine and you can have all you want. In the back of the student union of my college a bunch of stoners used to hang out and smoke up. They'd throw their roaches on the ground and they weren't too picky about picking out the seeds.

After a few weeks there was a nice little weed garden getting started. Then management found it. The students were asked to quit their jobs at the student union, but no other disciplinary action was taken.Yeah see I live with my parents. I can't grow it at home and I am surely not growing it at school or anywhere else. I plan on growing it when I move out but I'm not stupid enough to do it now.
Potaria
31-03-2005, 07:28
I plan on growing it when I move out

That's the spirit!
Urantia II
31-03-2005, 07:28
They'd throw their roaches on the ground and they weren't too picky about picking out the seeds.

Seeds? What are seeds? :p

And even if there were some in it when you got it, why would you not get rid of them before you smoked it?

But again, we don't worry about such things up here...

We know those male plants aren't good for anything!

;)

Regards,
Gaar
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:32
That's the spirit!
Hell yes it is. Imma be the growin pimp one day.
Potaria
31-03-2005, 07:34
Hell yes it is. Imma be the growin pimp one day.

Ever seen the movie "Saving Grace"? It's about a widow who's about to lose her estate, so she has to grow and sell marijuana to save it. It's fucking brilliant.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:37
OMG I love that movie! I liked how the whole community helped her by looking the other way.
Potaria
31-03-2005, 07:39
OMG I love that movie! I liked how the whole community helped her by looking the other way.

My favorite scene was when the police arrived becasue they'd heard about it, so Grace and her handiman decided to burn all the weed. Then a cop opened the door, and... Poof! All the pot smoke flowed out, and everybody was high. Then it showed the two naked cops (who were still wearing their caps!) running in the field!
New Sancrosanctia
31-03-2005, 07:40
OMG I love that movie! I liked how the whole community helped her by looking the other way.
i just liked when her house got raided, and they burned all the weed, and everyone in town got baked.

edit: potaria, great minds think alike. though you apperantly type faster.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:41
My favorite scene was when the police arrived becasue they'd heard about it, so Grace and her handiman decided to burn all the weed. Then a cop opened the door, and... Poof! All the pot smoke flowed out, and everybody was high. Then it showed the two naked cops (who were still wearing their caps!) running in the field!
Oh yes. That was absolutely terrific.
Arbeiter
31-03-2005, 07:44
I'd like to thank you all for a nice forty-five minutes of reading material.
Living in Northern Mendocino County (in Northern California, just under Humboldt County), I see enormus amounts of this stuff around. 215 cards are in abundance, and there's quite a bit of it.
An ounce (in American scale) goes for about $22-24 here, at least it was the last time I checked. Pretty high quality stuff here too.
Of course, I can't speak at all for anyone outside of my living area.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 07:46
I'd like to thank you all for a nice forty-five minutes of reading material.
Living in Northern Mendocino County (in Norhtern California, just under Humboldt County), I see enormus amounts of this stuff around. 215 cards are in abundance, and there's quite a bit of it.
An ounce (in American scale) goes for about $22-24 here, at least it was the last time I checked. Pretty high quality stuff here too.
Of course, I can't speak at all for anyone outside of my living area.Holy effing hell. AN OUNCE FOR 22? I've NEVER seen that and I've been doin this for some time now. From what I've gathered talking to people around the country Oklahoma has dirt cheap prices and I still pay 55 for an O. If you want really sweet bud it's about 70-90 an ounce depending on who you know.
Arbeiter
31-03-2005, 07:51
This seems to be a huge thing that continues to shock everyone I tell.
Under the 215 card regulations for Mendocino country, a person with doctor's permission can grow up to 24 plants. This brought the price down signfigantly. The California legislature passed acts under Gov. Gray Davis that allowed counties to set a more liberal limit for plants off of the Medicinal Marijuana laws. The bare minimum standard was set at six plants, I believe.
Of course, the federal government hasn't been that happy about this ordeal, although I'm out of date as to their recent actions on the subject.
Arcadian Fields
31-03-2005, 08:27
Hooray all you who enjoy that wonderful healing herb! I wish you guys could come to Portland Oregon, best ganja in America! Just a little while ago I made a 3 1/2 foot bong that we could smoke out of, it gets me so ripped, and it tastes great! Anyone who lives in the Pac Northwest here?
ill be out there in a couple months to visit my friend. ive never been there before . ill be looking to score when i get out there.
Cannot think of a name
31-03-2005, 08:45
Hooray all you who enjoy that wonderful healing herb! I wish you guys could come to Portland Oregon, best ganja in America! Just a little while ago I made a 3 1/2 foot bong that we could smoke out of, it gets me so ripped, and it tastes great! Anyone who lives in the Pac Northwest here?
I live on the other end of that beautiful triangle, Santa Cruz, CA. Fantabulous.

I'd make the same offer you're making but I'm not consistant enough with the income so sometimes I just don't have any and won't for a bit. Like now. This halfbowl i'm sporting right now is going to be it for a while. Sucks. I need to live in one place long enough to start growing my own...just enough for my personal use and anyone who came over.
See u Jimmy
31-03-2005, 09:53
Yeah, and are you "drunk" with just trace levels of Alcohol in your system?
Intoxicant levels could be found and set for marijuana use...
Again, you are Legislating Morals and I want to know where you get the Right.
It isn't good enough to just say it "does the community harm" cause McDonald's Burgers do the community harm, but I can't outlaw them, can I?
I can understand you guys not wanting to address "your" vices specifically, cause then we can make the argument that your vice does harm and should be made illegal, right?
So where would such Laws end?
The only reason such things can be done is because people like yourself refuse to address other people Right's, why is that?
I keep bringing up the Constitution and my Rights in it, and you just keep dismissing it...
Regards,
Gaar

I'm Back, To refute point by point
If I get stopped by the police the day after drinking and am still above the limit, yes I will get arrested and charged.
I don't dissagree that levels could be found, but How many puffs does it take to get a high, 1-2? or does it take a couple of joints? I think you will find the limit would be set at under 1 joint, and who is going to stop there?
Burgers will harm the consumer, but if they then drive their reactions will not be impaired by eating it. If you smoke and then drive, you will be endagering others, that is why I dont think you should. Most smokers I know do 2-6 a time, this means that they keep quite a high level in their system so stay a danger.
As to rights and morals please read your own posts they make the case against you equally as well as for you.

I am not taking the moral high ground here, I think that non mecinal drug use is a method of not dealing with problems, the thing is most drugs bring you down which will make the problems look bigger.
If you really want to do it, fine. But I will object if you endanger others by your actions.
Pure Metal
31-03-2005, 11:16
Holy effing hell. AN OUNCE FOR 22? I've NEVER seen that and I've been doin this for some time now. From what I've gathered talking to people around the country Oklahoma has dirt cheap prices and I still pay 55 for an O. If you want really sweet bud it's about 70-90 an ounce depending on who you know.
think youselves lucky. over here in the UK its about 120 quid for an oz.... thats about 225 dollars :eek: :(

edit: and thats for any old quality bud :(


edit2: fuck that... i am sooo moving to Amsterdam :D
Pure Metal
31-03-2005, 11:29
Why would anyone mix them? :confused:

Regards,
Gaar
its just how its done over here - thats what a standard joint is here, weed & tobacco. however many skins as you want.


gah all this talk of growing your own is annoying... the UK is just too cold for all but a couple of (crappy) strains to survive outside. at least that's what i've heard, never tried myself. a mate tried but all the seeds died during germination :(
hehe however another mate used hydroponics and got one of the sweetest crops i've ever smoked :)
best part is, they're moving house and won't be able to grow anymore (aw :( )....so somebody's just gonna have to take their kit off their hands.... ;) :D
Xenazwolia
31-03-2005, 12:18
Can't be bothered reading the whole thread, but respect to my brothers in stone.

;)
Patra Caesar
31-03-2005, 12:31
This is a bloody disgrace. At a time when our farmers have crops that are failing because the enviroment does not suit them. I know what would grow good here, canabis. Of course they'll never replace the hundreds of thousands of acres of sugar cane plantations to make plantations that I would approve of! No, they'd rather we rot our teeth than our brains! :( I wanna rot them both! :(

[EDIT]I liked Saving Grace too! :)
Atagea
31-03-2005, 13:37
I have an IQ of 152 and have used since I was 13, regularly...

Refute that.

Regards,
Gaar

EDIT: And it has increased throughout my life, my first test was when I was 10 and I registered a 133 at the time.

I once ran across a busy road and didn't get run down - therefore it's fine for everyone to run across busy roads.

Come on mate, if you're that smart work out the problem with your statement.

Fact - studies have shown that cannabis can cause pyscological problems - I also gave the example of two people I personally know who have been affected by it. Refute that :)

Why are some people so against the possibility that taking cannabis may be harmful? Is anything else that humans enjoy not harmful at all, no matter the amount? Is cannabis the one exception - you can take as much as you want and never get any ill effects ? Chocolate can make you fat if you eat lots of it, alcohol can kill you if you drink too much, smoking can give you cancer - hell, eat enough oranges and you'll eventually get vitamin c poisoning. I suspect cannabis is no different

I have found that the people with the most adverse reactions to the possibility of cannabis being harmful are those who are the biggest supporters of legalisation - it's as though you're directly challenging their argument for legalisation and their lifestyle by suggesting it may cause problems.

If you are going to take cannabis, read up on it (from independant sources not mainstream media who generally couldn't find their arse with both hands and a mirror). Look at the risks and make a choice. Whatever you do, don't take it in the mistaken belief that it is entirely risk free - it is not.
The Imaginary Men
31-03-2005, 14:16
Hey, I don't suppose someone knows where I can get a list of countries where it is legal to grow hemp. I had an idea yesterday.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 16:23
think youselves lucky. over here in the UK its about 120 quid for an oz.... thats about 225 dollars :eek: :(

edit: and thats for any old quality bud :(


edit2: fuck that... i am sooo moving to Amsterdam :D
Wow. I'm sorry it's so expensive for you. I have some friends who now live in Chicago and they've said it's usually $100 a quarter ounce for good stuff. That's the most expensive I've heard. In regards to your 2nd edit, I'm with you. When I get my career going after I graduate I want to either move to British Columbia or Amsterdam. A friend of mine went to Europe to study and while in Vienna picked me up one of the sweetest wood pipes. We named it 'the foreigner'. :)
Tribal Ecology
31-03-2005, 17:16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis:_Health_issues
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 17:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis:_Health_issues

"Most studies that have taken these factors into account have concluded that cannabis' effect on driving ability is negligible, and may be more positive than negative, due to the tendency of intoxicated individuals to drive slower and more cautiously"

Hell yes. I always knew I was a better driver and it wasn't just in my head. I also don't get angry when I drive if I've been smokin.
Eichen
31-03-2005, 17:40
if Gataway_Driver is doing a thread for booze-hounds, i'm doing a thread for the potheads of NS :D . come one, come all! talk all things green and pure :)

i'm pretty sad at the mo... i've got 3 weeks of holiday and no smoke for the whole time :( :(
That can't be right. "Holiday" and "no smoke" should never, ever be used in the same sentence.

Is it dry where you live, or what PM?
Nasopotomia
31-03-2005, 17:47
I got some when I was starting out that was awful - I swear they had mixed weed with diesel...


Hash is smuggled in gas tanks. Drive over to the continent, fill your petrol tank up with fine-ass dutch hash, get it home, and then realise that the beautiful nine-bar of Armageddon you bought over there for £400 is now a horrible mass of yukness. Never buy resin in Britain.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 18:15
Random comment to keep the thread going(and I'm bored as hell). Mine comes from Mexico. Where does yours come from?
Nasopotomia
31-03-2005, 18:17
Random comment to keep the thread going(and I'm bored as hell). Mine comes from Mexico. Where does yours come from?

Directly? Cheetham Hill. Indirectly? probably smuggled into Britain through Ireland.
Squirrel Nuts
31-03-2005, 18:20
Directly? Cheetham Hill. Indirectly? probably smuggled into Britain through Ireland.
Good point. Directly I get it from a person who gets "crazy" added before their name by everyone they meet. And that crazy is definitely warranted.
Pure Metal
31-03-2005, 18:52
i get mine seemingly from Gibralta, from this scary house full of total (& very rich) stoners...