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Why do christians shun nakedness so much? If a man were to dance in church naked, I bet they would talk ill of it and never go back. If a man were to walk about naked, they would say he needs a better disipline, and if a man were to ask to die naked, they would say he doesn't know what he is talking about.

"naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will return there."

a person should die naked, and return to the earth, their mother, as such.

even king david was known to be naked in public, and when he was mocked for it, the person was struck barren.

I say this, if Adam and Eve were meant to be naked, then the world should be naked to this day. we may see things that we may never have wanted to, but there will be those that will see everything they wish to see.

also there would be less lust in the world. at first there would be more, but then people would get used to it, and they would value the individual instead of the body.

hole in the ozone layer

do i really need to type more?

now, i like nudity as much as the next guy, but it just so happens that the next guy only really really enjoys nudity in moderation. Whent hte situation calls for it. although i must admit that it's quite liberating to just walk about the house naked with my g/f when we're by ourselves.

hole in the ozone layer

do i really need to type more?

there was a recent study that showed that the more exposure to uv rays the increase of cancer, but beyond that the more exposure to the sun, the less likely to have a cancer that kills you.

maybe its not that the sun is bad for us, its just that we hide so much from it that we aren't used to it and it hurts us. kinda like when you stay in the dark for awhile and then come out into the light, your eyes hurt at first, but in the end, its nothing to hurt ya.

Ick you need to get out more. Have you seen people lately? They are like 90 percent butt ugly if not more. Your are much better off maintiaing an elite group of special naked friends rather than having to deal with a world of exposed flab and repulsivenesss.

Why do christians shun nakedness so much? If a man were to dance in church naked, I bet they would talk ill of it and never go back. If a man were to walk about naked, they would say he needs a better disipline, and if a man were to ask to die naked, they would say he doesn't know what he is talking about.

"naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will return there."

a person should die naked, and return to the earth, their mother, as such.

even king david was known to be naked in public, and when he was mocked for it, the person was struck barren.

I say this, if Adam and Eve were meant to be naked, then the world should be naked to this day. we may see things that we may never have wanted to, but there will be those that will see everything they wish to see.

also there would be less lust in the world. at first there would be more, but then people would get used to it, and they would value the individual instead of the body.
No more lust?

*plays taps for Lust(tm)*

*weeps*

I am sorry to say, but nudity is not for everyone... there are just some things that no one wants to see...

Ick you need to get out more. Have you seen people lately? They are like 90 percent butt ugly if not more. Your are much better off maintiaing an elite group of special naked friends rather than having to deal with a world of exposed flab and repulsivenesss.

its only repulsive because your eyes are conditioned to seeing only the good. the same as to oders, when you are used to only sweet smelling oils, everything else smells foul, but as you get used to it, you don't even notice.

also, I doubt people would be as likely to let themselves get fat if everybody and their mother were watching it happen. Kinda a new check in the balance of things.

There are some people who should not be naked ... in public or otherwise.

I go through 2/3rds my life mostly naked anyway, so I'm not concerned. Though I do throw on situation appropriate clothing when necessary. I mean ... I'm not one to impose my views on anyone - and that includes their right not to see me naked.

There are some people who should not be naked ... in public or otherwise.

I go through 2/3rds my life mostly naked anyway, so I'm not concerned. Though I do throw on situation appropriate clothing when necessary. I mean ... I'm not one to impose my views on anyone - and that includes their right not to see me naked.
ahh, but what about those that wish to see you naked, or those that don't want to see your clothes....aren't you forceing your views then?


I think there would be a general outcry about it at first, but everybody would be happier about it.

another note, who would want to go to war if you didn't have anything on, well the celts and picts did, but thats a different story.

so basicly what you just said is that is someone lets out a horrible fart, we should hug the person for giving us such a wonderful smell rather then run away from the stench?

ok then how about this?

i refuse to burn my nipples for your political agenda!

Maybe if everyone was naked, the repulsive flab and such would quickly disappear because it would be a shame to parade it around while naked? ;)

so basicly what you just said is that is someone lets out a horrible fart, we should hug the person for giving us such a wonderful smell rather then run away from the stench?

no, I expect someone to call a foul, and we all hit the person, in a light hearted yet effective manner, until the foul is atonted for by what ever rule is available, such as calling "doorknob" and hitting the person until they touch a door knob, or 'door handle on a 56 chevy' and hitting them until they find a 56 chevy.

also, in my world there would be areas marked off as 'foul oder zones' this would be where people would go to break wind, smoke, or any other act that would bring about smells that the general populace find foul.

Lets get drunk and naked.

ok then how about this?

i refuse to burn my nipples for your political agenda!

I wouldn't want to burn my nipples either, it sounds kinda painful.

I think if you happen to live any further north than the mediterranean, then the climate limits the scope of nudity to the point where you might as well not bother.

If you live in california, fair enough, but if you live in scotland, I'd give you about a month before you die of pneumonia or something.

I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO PASS THE GAS WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER I WANT TO! NOTHING GIVES THE THE RIGHT TO TAKE A WAY THAT! *Runs of screaming mad*

I think if you happen to live any further north than the mediterranean, then the climate limits the scope of nudity to the point where you might as well not bother.

If you live in california, fair enough, but if you live in scotland, I'd give you about a month before you die of pneumonia or something.

just build skywalks and the like. That way in weather that people can't handle, they have a way to stay away from it. Also, it would give the world a reason to start building great domed cities where clean air, and such would be abundant. Wonderful Gardens where people are free from the wastes that people have built themselves into.

I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO PASS THE GAS WHEN EVER AND WHERE EVER I WANT TO! NOTHING GIVES THE THE RIGHT TO TAKE A WAY THAT! *Runs of screaming mad*

you have the right to pass gas whenever and whereever you want. but if you get caught, we have the right to make you want to do it somewhere else. ;)

just build skywalks and the like. That way in weather that people can't handle, they have a way to stay away from it. Also, it would give the world a reason to start building great domed cities where clean air, and such would be abundant. Wonderful Gardens where people are free from the wastes that people have built themselves into.
Domed cities? This is EARTH, NOT MARS!

Why isolate cities from nature? It makes no sense.

Well, I love being nude and would love to go around naked throughout the summer, banning clothes wouldn't work. I would like to see you try and live through a winter with no clothes. :p However, I agree that the taboos placed on a naked human body is just silly.

Yeah man, you got to, like, embrace the nature man. Its the man that wants you to live in the dome cities. That man... always getting in the way of the good stuff...

Domed cities? This is EARTH, NOT MARS!

Why isolate cities from nature? It makes no sense.

I was talking about bringing nature and mankind closer together. in places where there are wastelands and such, where people still want to live, let them build up their gardens away from the dangers of the world.

Well, I love being nude and would love to go around naked throughout the summer, banning clothes wouldn't work. I would like to see you try and live through a winter with no clothes. :p However, I agree that the taboos placed on a naked human body is just silly.


well, then just get rid of clothes, but allow coats and the like to be worn to protect us from temps that we can't stand for long.

ahh, but what about those that wish to see you naked, or those that don't want to see your clothes....aren't you forceing your views then?


Well if they want to see me naked, I suppose they can.

If they're offended by my clothes, well, too bad! I paid for them. :p

Actually, I'm a fence rider on the nudity issue, so I'm mostly going to read and joke now and then. I see the merits of nudity and I also see the personal and religious rights involved in clothing.

But, then, I live in Texas where it gets to about 40F for 2 weeks and that's "winter". If I had to wear much more than the loin cloth and "do-rag" I wear when cultivating my tomatos and whatnot, I'd die of heat exhaustion in a matter of minutes!

Another point, if you live in anywhere that is a bit more northern, your at a severe risk of getting frostbite to an important extremitiy, if you know what I mean... nobody ever wishes that upon a guy, its just too... inhumane....

I was talking about bringing nature and mankind closer together. in places where there are wastelands and such, where people still want to live, let them build up their gardens away from the dangers of the world.
Ah. So basically, we rebuild wastelands while the rest of the world detereates? (fuck! can't spell!)

I must admit, while this seems a silly idea on the surface, it has value. Granted, enforcing nudity would be extreme, but it has its possiblities. A lot of good points have been made here.

However, think of the economy. How would that be affected? All the textile workers would lose their jobs. Massive industries would crumble. Not nessicarily a bad thing in all cases, but the U.S. is lacking jobs as it is...

I just realized I am taking this way too serioulsy. ;)

or maybe the world should unite and build a giant sphere around the earth, allowing for even lighting and allowing for protection from UV rays.

sure this may cause the ice caps to melt, and mass moving, but in the end we get a lush paradise free from all the crap that causes so much war.

though in many ways, I'm all for the removal of public nudity laws. It would be a hell of a time at first, but then people would get used to it. I think Adult Magizines and such would go out of business though, cause if you can see it when ever, you don't need to find it in a mag. no more guilt about buying dirty mags

well, then just get rid of clothes, but allow coats and the like to be worn to protect us from temps that we can't stand for long.

um... aren't coats considered to be clothing? They are something that you happen to wear to keep you warm and so that other people don't see whats underneath.

All the textile workers would lose their jobs.

People would probably still want bedlinens and towels. :D

Speaking of putting a sphere around the Earth, it sounds a bit like planet Drudia in the movie Spaceballs. Could this mean that at some point we too will be be invaded by the dreaded Dark Helmet?

um... aren't coats considered to be clothing? They are something that you happen to wear to keep you warm and so that other people don't see whats underneath.

coats are outter wear. temperary items that are used to protect us for specific causes. some could argue that its clothes, but its like calling a truck a car, doesn't really fit.

maybe people could make clear coats and such, that still protect from the elements, but still promote the idea of freeing the body from the confines of darkness.

Speaking of putting a sphere around the Earth, it sounds a bit like planet Drudia in the movie Spaceballs. Could this mean that at some point we too will be be invaded by the dreaded Dark Helmet?

perhaps, but if the Earth was a place of nudity, and the rest of the universe wasn't, then I think we would be protected from such poorly dressed villians as them. After all, look at all the people that stick up for the adult industry.

Speaking of putting a sphere around the Earth, it sounds a bit like planet Drudia in the movie Spaceballs. Could this mean that at some point we too will be be invaded by the dreaded Dark Helmet?
lol

I honestly have no idea whether to take this seriously or laugh my ass off.

MY BARE ASS! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA *ahem* he...

Speaking of putting a sphere around the Earth, it sounds a bit like planet Drudia in the movie Spaceballs. Could this mean that at some point we too will be be invaded by the dreaded Dark Helmet?
As long as our passcode isn't "12345", we should be fine. :)

Hail Scroob!

perhaps, but if the Earth was a place of nudity, and the rest of the universe wasn't, then I think we would be protected from such poorly dressed villians as them. After all, look at all the people that stick up for the adult industry.

I don't know man, those spherical helmets are pretty crazy... And besides, Dark Helmet has got that ring, and having the target out in the open can be pretty dangerous...

Nudism? Sure, go ahead, if you don't mind me and my super-soaker full of orange pop.

I don't know man, those spherical helmets are pretty crazy... And besides, Dark Helmet has got that ring, and having the target out in the open can be pretty dangerous...

ahh, but the swartz is within us, not just in the use of rings.

besides, if dark helmet showed up, all you'd have to do is not tell him the pass code, and not let our 'princesses' off planet.

and on the sphere we could build defensive weapons to protect the dome, and pay off the research by selling nude earth girl calanders to the martians.

Nudism? Sure, go ahead, if you don't mind me and my super-soaker full of orange pop.

as long as it isn't diet, we are all good here.

see... now were getting to something thats acually useful...

I don't know man, those spherical helmets are pretty crazy... And besides, Dark Helmet has got that ring, and having the target out in the open can be pretty dangerous...

I hadn't thought of that. :eek: Ow.

i disagree with banning clothing for a few reasons:
a) i'm the type of girl that won't even wear a bikini
b) banning stuff never works, have you noticed how much crime, drugs, and whatever else has been banned is still in this world?
c) what a person wears is their expression, and if everyone is made to go nude wouldn't that be the same as making everyone wear a uniform?
d) does that include jewellery?
e) i'm sure eventually everyone would get used to it, but that might take at least a generation
f) as has been said many times, there are some things that just shouldn't be seen... *shudders*
g) ... i don't think i had another point... *thinks* no, i didn't
h) i lied, i did have another point :D some people are very self-conscious and would just be wrecks if they couldn't cover themselves
i) i live in Canada... we would all die if we had to walk to and from school or wherever else wearing nothing... it just wouldn't work...

I hadn't thought of that. :eek: Ow.

well, in times of war, we can just make some heavy body armor for the no no special areas of the body.

or be like celtic and pict tribes that rubbed briars into their 'ah-hems' and ran screaming into battle, scaring the shite out of people.

i disagree with banning clothing for a few reasons:
a) i'm the type of girl that won't even wear a bikini
b) banning stuff never works, have you noticed how much crime, drugs, and whatever else has been banned is still in this world?
c) what a person wears is their expression, and if everyone is made to go nude wouldn't that be the same as making everyone wear a uniform?
d) does that include jewellery?
e) i'm sure eventually everyone would get used to it, but that might take at least a generation
f) as has been said many times, there are some things that just shouldn't be seen... *shudders*
g) ... i don't think i had another point... *thinks* no, i didn't
h) i lied, i did have another point :D some people are very self-conscious and would just be wrecks if they couldn't cover themselves
i) i live in Canada... we would all die if we had to walk to and from school or wherever else wearing nothing... it just wouldn't work...


jewelry would be optionary, as would body tattoos, body art and such. the self-conscious would be given the chance to be in selective groups at first, and work through their issues, and come to grips with it. they would also be taught ways to paint the body and such so they would see their bodies as beautiful rather then repulsive. People only feel down about themselves because the world around them worships 'perfect' bodies.

Psh. Whoever wants to go naked obviously does not have 6 months of winter.

Oh and also, I wouldn't want to go about without a bra.

I would really prefer my tits stay nice and perky rather than droop somewhere near my belly button.

Though this is more important for the women who have excessively large ones, as there are many who already have terrible back pain and taking away bras would only make that worse.

Oh and also, I wouldn't want to go about without a bra.

I would really prefer my tits stay nice and perky rather than droop somewhere near my belly button.

Though this is more important for the women who have excessively large ones, as there are many who already have terrible back pain and taking away bras would only make that worse.

ya know, when men have back pains, we are shown how to build the muscles that we need to address the pain, but when women get back pain, they look for a better bra.

maybe its just that people are just too used to the crutches the world gives us.

bra's aren't really that old compared to mankind.

hole in the ozone layer

do i really need to type more?

Meh, I'm brown, it doesn't affect me as much. *streaks*

Meh, I'm brown, it doesn't affect me as much. *streaks*

nothing trying to be mean, racist or anything, but

your post made me laugh, it says brown and then says *streaks*

nothing trying to be mean, racist or anything, but

your post made me laugh, it says brown and then says *streaks*
Bah, you know what I mean! :p *wipes off poo*

nothing trying to be mean, racist or anything, but

your post made me laugh, it says brown and then says *streaks*

You know, that's what I was thinking, too...

*shudder*

this thread is rather funny, everything from bras, coats, swartz, dark helmet, poop stains, and much much more.

I never expected so much in this thread. its fun.

another thing would be the pushing of sun tan lotions and the like to keep people from being too exposed to the harmfulness of the sun and such.

the clothing factories would shift to produce mainly bedding, rugs, and coats and such, and with the lessening of jobs in those fields, we could open up more in sun lotions and skin care items. make ups for the body rather then just for the face, it would be an interesting world.

I for one love my ultrabright skin. I'll go so far as to bet that I'm the whitest person here (barring makeup).

I for one love my ultrabright skin. I'll go so far as to bet that I'm the whitest person here (barring makeup).

but with special colored oils, you could be bright green! and be protected from the sun

I for one love my ultrabright skin. I'll go so far as to bet that I'm the whitest person here (barring makeup).
You sound like an ad for soap powder.

"Makes your whites whiter etc..." :D

You sound like an ad for soap powder.

"Makes your whites whiter etc..." :D

The strange thing is, my skin actually is whiter when I get out of the shower... That is, once the red-skin effect from the heat wears off.

The strange thing is, my skin actually is whiter when I get out of the shower... That is, once the red-skin effect from the heat wears off.
Haha, you white people with your colour changey skin. I like poking my boyfriend's hand when he's cold cos it's all bluish, then it goes white, then it goes red. I'm easily amused. :p

You should see my feet when they're cold. They turn purple!

...And then red when I heat them...

...And then they finally go back to normal when the temperature evens out.

I say this, if Adam and Eve were meant to be naked, then the world should be naked to this day. we may see things that we may never have wanted to, but there will be those that will see everything they wish to see.

also there would be less lust in the world. at first there would be more, but then people would get used to it, and they would value the individual instead of the body.

Actually it was God who clothed Adam and Eve. God Killed animals and clothed them in bloody skins. To hide their guilt, shame and their sin.

Actually If i'm correct, David danced in the nude (or some say in his underwear), he was despised for worshipping simply rather than his nakedness. He was a king, and for a King to act so simply as he may, that made the people criticise. (I have to readup again on this but exams now :()

And I honestly careless what you want to wear on the street or in the church, a church is just a building. But getting naked in church, now that would just turn some people off and distract them from worship. Well, it's something like my church, they have dancers in front anybody can go up and dance as you may, and that turned some people off. So they go to other churches. But really, it's up to the church, whether your Pastor agree's with it. Getting in the buff ain't for everybody.

Actually it was God who clothed Adam and Eve. God Killed animals and clothed them in bloody skins. To hide their guilt, shame and their sin.

Actually If i'm correct, David danced in the nude (or some say in his underwear), he was despised for worshipping simply rather than his nakedness. He was a king, and for a King to act so simply as he may, that made the people criticise. (I have to readup again on this but exams now :()

And I honestly careless what you want to wear on the street or in the church, a church is just a building. But getting naked in church, now that would just turn some people off and distract them from worship. Well, it's something like my church, they have dancers in front anybody can go up and dance as you may, and that turned some people off. So they go to other churches. But really, it's up to the church, whether your Pastor agree's with it. Getting in the buff ain't for everybody.


it only turns people off because they are taught that it should, not because it should be a turn off. G-d only clothed them because they were ashamed and it gave them more confidence and trust. Basically it wasn't wrong to be naked until they felt that it was, and then it was.

David danced naked, and even was told that he was too zealous in his worship and dancing for the lord, and the Lord's response was, its good, so shush.

Isaiah was even instructed to walk naked and without sandles, so its obviously not a sin in the Eyes of G-d.

"I'm naked and fearless...

And my fear is NAKED!"
-Tool

Nothing wrong with it as far as I can see, except it would be a bit chilly in this area, so people would wear coats most of the time anyway.

And what about shoes? I'd really prefer not to step on broken glass or sharp rocks and such.

"I'm naked and fearless...

And my fear is NAKED!"
-Tool

Nothing wrong with it as far as I can see, except it would be a bit chilly in this area, so people would wear coats most of the time anyway.

And what about shoes? I'd really prefer not to step on broken glass or sharp rocks and such.

sandles if you can, but not those damn flip flops, man I hate those.

but if needed shoes, would be ok, optionary though.

ya know, when men have back pains, we are shown how to build the muscles that we need to address the pain, but when women get back pain, they look for a better bra.

maybe its just that people are just too used to the crutches the world gives us.

bra's aren't really that old compared to mankind.
Uh.... the back pain results from a different cause. Men don't have 5-30 lbs sacks of fat hanging from their chests.

sandles if you can, but not those damn flip flops, man I hate those.

but if needed shoes, would be ok, optionary though.

Yeah, plus there's the issue of one's feet getting cold.

Uh.... the back pain results from a different cause. Men don't have 5-30 lbs sacks of fat hanging from their chests.

My sister had almost 100lbs of combined weight "hanging". She had to get major breast reduction, and things have turned out for the better. It actually looks better, too.

Uh.... the back pain results from a different cause. Men don't have 5-30 lbs sacks of fat hanging from their chests.

No, we luckily don't. However, women had breasts long before they had bras.

No, we luckily don't. However, women had breasts long before they had bras.
Yeah, and they got all saggy before bras came about. I woudl really rather not have that happening.

Uh.... the back pain results from a different cause. Men don't have 5-30 lbs sacks of fat hanging from their chests.

and the extra lbs that women have is supported by the bra, something that has only been in human's life for a short time period. what did they do before then? Why don't we have texts on how painful it was, and if there was so much pain from not having them, then they would have been invented long ago.

maybe its just the use of bras weakens the back and its muscles, and causes its own pain. much like they are finding out with glasses making eyes weaker and causing the need for stronger perscriptions to keep up with the weakening eye muscles.

My sister had almost 100lbs of combined weight "hanging". She had to get major breast reduction, and things have turned out for the better. It actually looks better, too.
Can every woman afford to do that?

And what about the scars? Do you think your sister who now has surgical scars on her breasts would want to walk around bareing them for all to see?

If I recall, breast reductions involve cutting around the nipple and down to the underside of the breast. I know the scars are supposed to be more noticible than for augmentation.

Can every woman afford to do that?

And what about the scars? Do you think your sister who now has surgical scars on her breasts would want to walk around bareing them for all to see?

If I recall, breast reductions involve cutting around the nipple and down to the underside of the breast. I know the scars are supposed to be more noticible than for augmentation.

Well, of course she wouldn't go around like that, and no, not everyone could afford it. But, not even bras were helping, so it had to be done.

Yeah...I sometimes go out naked. It's legal here in Alexonium!

-Emir Alex I

and the extra lbs that women have is supported by the bra, something that has only been in human's life for a short time period. what did they do before then? Why don't we have texts on how painful it was, and if there was so much pain from not having them, then they would have been invented long ago.

maybe its just the use of bras weakens the back and its muscles, and causes its own pain. much like they are finding out with glasses making eyes weaker and causing the need for stronger perscriptions to keep up with the weakening eye muscles.
For one thing, at puberty for some girls breasts develop quite rapidly and even with the support of a bra, there is severe back pain. One of my good friends in highschool would always complain about how she couldn't buy cute bras because she needed straps three inches thick so they wouldn't hurt her shoulders and how she had 7 hooks in the back and all this and that.

Personally, I don't have that problem, I'm a comfortable B, it is quite annoying when I say go up and down stairs without a bra and I couldn't imagine what physical activity like running would be like without a bra. I mean, really, there's nothing like having your skin pulled by breasts with every stride... Though considering that when I'm in a good mood, I tend to bounce when I walk, that would probably be an issue without running.

For another, the need for glasses has nothign to do with having them in the first place... it's genetic. Poor eyesight is dominant, perfect eyesight is recessive.

Well, of course she wouldn't go around like that, and no, not everyone could afford it. But, not even bras were helping, so it had to be done.
Well, the topic of dicsussion here is going completely without any clothing, bras and all...

Does she wear a bra now? I'm presuming so, just a much smaller size than before...

For one thing, at puberty for some girls breasts develop quite rapidly and even with the support of a bra, there is severe back pain. One of my good friends in highschool would always complain about how she couldn't buy cute bras because she needed straps three inches thick so they wouldn't hurt her shoulders and how she had 7 hooks in the back and all this and that.

Personally, I don't have that problem, I'm a comfortable B, it is quite annoying when I say go up and down stairs without a bra and I couldn't imagine what physical activity like running would be like without a bra. I mean, really, there's nothing like having your skin pulled by breasts with every stride... Though considering that when I'm in a good mood, I tend to bounce when I walk, that would probably be an issue without running.

For another, the need for glasses has nothign to do with having them in the first place... it's genetic. Poor eyesight is dominant, perfect eyesight is recessive.

Care to give an illustration?

-Emir Alex I

Also, to add to the cold issue. I suggest you try moving somewhere that has real winters, complete with windchill before you suggest that a coat (let alone a clear coat...) would keep you warm at all.

My coat goes to the back of my shins and is about 2 inches thick and I still won't wear skirts in the winter. Hell, I won't even go out without a sweater or two + t-shirt under my coat most days. Furthermore, the heating bills for every public building would be disgusting. Clothing is much more practical than going without. I'm sorry to burst your bubble of everyone living in the amazon...

Well, the topic of dicsussion here is going completely without any clothing, bras and all...

Does she wear a bra now? I'm presuming so, just a much smaller size than before...

Yes. And yes, they are much smaller. See, she's only about 5' tall, and having almost 100lbs hanging put her in severe pain.

bra's aren't really that old compared to mankind.

you know, I was actually JUST discussing this topic with my boyfriend..


The theory I've read once (and this is a theory, mind, I'm not trying to turn this inot another "Bible Bashers" or anything) was that origionally, females had flat chests except when nursing and were always fertile except when nursing. But when we moved to being fertile only a few days a month, we evolved to have big boobs all the time, so that men couldn't tell when we were fertile. That way, instead of fucking us for those few days and abandoning us, men would stick around for sex all month long to ensure we got knocked up. Coupled with using sex as a reward for bringing food, creating shelter, taking care of us, this became a handy survival tactic. Breasts have been getting bigger over the years, though. Small-chested women don't have too much of a problem with it, I'm told.

And as long as we've had big boobs, we've been trying to find ways to be more comfortable. Corsets predated bras, and likely some sort of vine rigging predated those. It's downright uncomfortable to frigging WALK without my trusty 36-D, and if it wasn't painful to my chest, I'd sleep in it too. Boobs, in addition to being heavy and causing back pain, bounce around and it's almost painful. As a dancer, I run about and leap a lot, and bras are a necessity.

The bra is a very recent invention, historically speaking. It was invented in the early 20th century, the 1920's if I recall correctly.

Anyway, where I live, it's too cold to go round with no clothes at all on except maybe in a heat wave during the summer. We don't have a cold winter, but it's chilly and wet, and in the summer it rarely gets more than 75 degrees fahrenheit. So, even if public nudity was legal, there probably wouldn't actually be much of it. And even if only coats were allowed, most people would probably be wearing a coat most of the time. Plus, one's ankles and calves would get cold. Hell, I never ever even wear shorts outside, it's pretty much not hot enough.

The bra is a very recent invention, historically speaking. It was invented in the early 20th century, the 1920's if I recall correctly.
There were other things that served the same purpose though...

Corsets took care of that before someone came up with the brilliant idea of making it less confining and smaller. I'm sure there was something before then too... you can't be bouncing about when you're busy doing things and I'm sure at least in the lower classes, women have done plenty of work throughout the ages...

Also, to add to the cold issue. I suggest you try moving somewhere that has real winters, complete with windchill before you suggest that a coat (let alone a clear coat...) would keep you warm at all.

......

I do live in a place with cold winters and negitive wind chills. I have taken hot coffee outside and tossed it in the air, just to have it never hit the ground due to it turning to steam and ice in the air.

I am sorry to say, but nudity is not for everyone... there are just some things that no one wants to see...
Like me....

*streaks*

Like me....
I wouldn't mind ;)

If clothing was abolished, there would be nothing left to the imagination (which would be very bad in some cases, and awful in others, but "not a good thing" across the board).

Seriously 60-70% of libido/sexual tension/whatever is in NOT seeing beautiful people naked. Kind of kills that 60-70% of the build up/anticipation etc.

Leaves nothing to the imagination.

On the other hand if a person is "hideous" Who would want to see them nude?

As a third+fourth point, there are the enormous cases of warmth and hygiene to look at...

you know, I was actually JUST discussing this topic with my boyfriend..


The theory I've read once (and this is a theory, mind, I'm not trying to turn this inot another "Bible Bashers" or anything) was that origionally, females had flat chests except when nursing and were always fertile except when nursing. But when we moved to being fertile only a few days a month, we evolved to have big boobs all the time, so that men couldn't tell when we were fertile. That way, instead of fucking us for those few days and abandoning us, men would stick around for sex all month long to ensure we got knocked up. Coupled with using sex as a reward for bringing food, creating shelter, taking care of us, this became a handy survival tactic. Breasts have been getting bigger over the years, though. Small-chested women don't have too much of a problem with it, I'm told.

And as long as we've had big boobs, we've been trying to find ways to be more comfortable. Corsets predated bras, and likely some sort of vine rigging predated those. It's downright uncomfortable to frigging WALK without my trusty 36-D, and if it wasn't painful to my chest, I'd sleep in it too. Boobs, in addition to being heavy and causing back pain, bounce around and it's almost painful. As a dancer, I run about and leap a lot, and bras are a necessity.

WTF?? Where the fork did that story come from :p

I wouldn't mind ;)
o.O

I think that nudity should be allowed.

Just what is so bad about a naked person? OK some (like me) aren't so great to look at, but others are fabulous. If nudity was allowed, I would try harder to get this old body back into shape.

As for the prudes who think it should remain banned :p :D

Meh, I'm brown, it doesn't affect me as much. *streaks*

*takes pictures*

I say this, if Adam and Eve were meant to be naked, then the world should be naked to this day. we may see things that we may never have wanted to, but there will be those that will see everything they wish to see.


Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. When they ate it they became aware of things such as the fact that nakedness was wrong. With that knowledge comes the responsablilty of being good.

Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. When they ate it they became aware of things such as the fact that nakedness was wrong. With that knowledge comes the responsablilty of being good.

ahh, but was it the nakedness that was wrong, or was it the shame they felt about being that way?

anyways, if you follow Christian understandings, we are free and restored to the time before the fall of Gan'Eden. Christ restored the understanding of rightouness not by deeds but by faith and serveitude.

*streaks*

I"m not saying public nudity should be banned.

I'm saying there should be a choice in the matter.

Hell, I don't even know what I'd do without pockets.

"its only repulsive because your eyes are conditioned to seeing only the good. the same as to oders, when you are used to only sweet smelling oils, everything else smells foul, but as you get used to it, you don't even notice."

I don't really want to be desensitized to seeing ugly naked people.

"its only repulsive because your eyes are conditioned to seeing only the good. the same as to oders, when you are used to only sweet smelling oils, everything else smells foul, but as you get used to it, you don't even notice."

I don't really want to be desensitized to seeing ugly naked people.
Get over it. I'm a med student. I see ugly naked people, both alive and dead, all the time.

I have a feeling women who walk around naked in public would provable be more likley to be raped. I can think of plenty of other problems but I don't see the need to mention them since legalizing public nudity dosen't seem to be on the agenda of anyone who has any chance of making it happen.

Well, if you're hot, ok. If you're normal, ok.

But if you're ugly, please, think of the children.

I, personally, would never be caught dead in public. I'm also one of the most non-christian people here. I just, y'know, like my clothes.

I have a feeling women who walk around naked in public would provable be more likley to be raped. I can think of plenty of other problems but I don't see the need to mention them since legalizing public nudity dosen't seem to be on the agenda of anyone who has any chance of making it happen.
That's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped. Never ever blame the victim. The problems are all the rapists, not the victims.

That's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped. Never ever blame the victim. The problems are all the rapists, not the victims.

That's absolutely right. I mean, saying what he said is like me saying that if I taped a bag to my ass, it'd make me more likely to take a dump.

"Get over it. I'm a med student. I see ugly naked people, both alive and dead, all the time."

Good for you.
However I don't want to " get over it"

"That's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped. Never ever blame the victim. The problems are all the rapists, not the victims."

I'm not trying to blame anybody for anything, I'm just saying making nudity legal would be dumb and make more work for police so why do it?

"Get over it. I'm a med student. I see ugly naked people, both alive and dead, all the time."

Good for you.
However I don't want to " get over it"
Chill, it was tongue in cheek. Although I do think people are way too hung up about nakedness.

Edit: And on the other comment: Maybe we should focus on fixing society's problems, rather than throwing our hands up and giving in. Also I have my doubts as to whether public nudity would actually increase levels of rape, seeing as it's not really about physical attraction at all.

"That's absolutely right. I mean, saying what he said is like me saying that if I taped a bag to my ass, it'd make me more likely to take a dump"

How do you figure that?

Chill, it was tongue in cheek. Although I do think people are way too hung up about nakedness.

That gave me one freaky mental image...

That gave me one freaky mental image...
You're just full of disturbing images aren't you?
:p :D

You're just full of disturbing images aren't you?
:p :D

Only at certain times. And when somebody posts something like you did :D.

"That's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped. Never ever blame the victim. The problems are all the rapists, not the victims."

I'm not trying to blame anybody for anything, I'm just saying making nudity legal would be dumb and make more work for police so why do it?

right, and legalizing drinking would make people drunk and more work for the cops, oh wait, it decreased the police, and the drunk level never really changed.

Get over it. I'm a med student. I see ugly naked people, both alive and dead, all the time.
Geez Pri... you'd never think that you weren't normal :p

Tee-hee... I wouldn't mind... Provided nubile teenage females walked about like that, and I could stay fully clothed. :D

That's like saying women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped. Never ever blame the victim. The problems are all the rapists, not the victims.

Saying that a behavior increases the likelihood of another behavior is not victim blaming. If they'd have said "you deserve to be raped if you walk around naked in public", that would be victim blaming. The other is an observation on a likely reality that is not necessarily a value judgment.

hole in the ozone layer

do i really need to type more?
I think Ashmoria has a point here. Let's completely abolish CFC's and everything else that thins the ozone layer first, then get rid of clothes later. ^_^

Geez Pri... you'd never think that you weren't normal :p
Shutup Mr. Maths!!! :p :D