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Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq


Democracynow.org/would/rather_not/report.this (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11198193.htm)

...Since it would pretty much destroy their tin-foil hat/conspiracy theory models. Sadly, many people here continue to digest that liberal porn as if it actually had some sort of meaning. Ah but it is so much more fun to look for the elephants in the cuppboard. Childish pursuits for childish minds...

Meanwhile other media are actually reporting the truth, as you can see if you click above.

how many people are in fallujah now?

American forces say Fallujah now is "the safest city in Iraq."

Who are these American forces, that say this is the safest city in Iraq, pretty flimsy quotation if you ask me. I believe it is now more safe than before the destruction, to say it is now the safest city, I'd prefer proof.

Who are these American forces, that say this is the safest city in Iraq, pretty flimsy quotation if you ask me. I believe it is now more safe than before the destruction, to say it is now the safest city, I'd prefer proof.
Ah, denial. Nice. You miss the whole point of the article.

Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq

Good, then you should be moving there soon, right?

Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq


Democracynow.org/would/rather_not/report.this (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11198193.htm)

...Since it would pretty much destroy their tin-foil hat/conspiracy theory models. Sadly, many people here continue to digest that liberal porn as if it actually had some sort of meaning. Ah but it is so much more fun to look for the elephants in the cuppboard. Childish pursuits for childish minds...

Meanwhile other media are actually reporting the truth, as you can see if you click above.

Your right a real utopia
The southern half of the city still is without electricity. Water service, though now extended to almost all areas, is limited because residents can't power the pumps that bring the water into their homes, said Navy Lt. Chris Lankford. Only 1,000 of the 13,000 telephone subscribers before the war have had their service restored.

Good, then you should be moving there soon, right?
Many Iraqis are. That is who it is for.

Since this seemed to have made so much progress. Why don't they evacuate all
Iraqi cities and bomb the terrorists senseless?

B0zzy, you're a fool. A flamebaiter, who couldn't even wait until the going got tough to start name-calling. You're no more educated than the Ann Coulter you sound so much like. You lost the mutual respect I had for you as a human being, now earning as much respect as a well-groomed Chimpanzee. I pity you.

Since this seemed to have made so much progress. Why don't they evacuate all
Iraqi cities and bomb the terrorists senseless?
Why bother, the Iraqis are killing the terrorists themselves now.

Of course it's now the safest city in Iraq. I have no trouble at all believing that.

Why? Because dead people are very unlikely to kill anyone. Well, aside from the risk of disease.

Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq
Why don't you go there?

It would be a fun vacation. Their economy needs the tourism. I could make you a brochure if you want?

B0zzy, you're a fool. A flamebaiter, who couldn't even wait until the going got tough to start name-calling. You're no more educated than the Ann Coulter you sound so much like. You lost the mutual respect I had for you as a human being, now earning as much respect as a well-groomed Chimpanzee. I pity you.

I can't imagine why they keep banning you.

B0zzy, you're a fool. A flamebaiter, who couldn't even wait until the going got tough to start name-calling. You're no more educated than the Ann Coulter you sound so much like. You lost the mutual respect I had for you as a human being, now earning as much respect as a well-groomed Chimpanzee. I pity you.
Dang, I alread had ONE good submission for my sig, now you too? But post 11, awww. I didn't even make it into the top ten!

This is a news quote from Pink Flamingo Beach (I.E. White Trash Heaven)... Where they post an Article on 3/22, mention people being killed on 3/31, and fail to mention the year, that's just sloppy. Therefore...

I'll point out that, if the government of NY fell apart, and the U.S. Government began a Universal Pogrom, then NY would, by default, be the safest U.S. State, even though it's worse than it is now, because they lack the capacity to participate in the killings.

Why bother, the Iraqis are killing the terrorists themselves now.

You're no fun :p

The main reason, why liberals objected to the invasion of Fallujah, especially in my case, is because civilians are going to be killed, homes are going to get destroyed. This is a fact of war, liberals are generally vocal at opposing wars, and if they continued the same tactics in other cities, the killings would escalate.

Like you say it is Iraqi's fighting mostly Iraqi's. This saves American lives and keeps people at home warm and happy that their sons and daughter's are not getting killed, while they watch what might turn out to be a civil war, in the making.

Why don't you go there?

It would be a fun vacation. Their economy needs the tourism. I could make you a brochure if you want?
You have a brochure!?
I would SO love to have one. Got a link? I've already decided to join the golf club in Baghdad... $60 for 1 year AND you get a membership card! If I could only find the link now.

Meanwhile there is also a free golf course in Mosul!
http://www.golfweb.com/story/6850234

I wouldn't mind going there right now. Except, a city full of dead people would be a bit boring, and lonely.

Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq


Democracynow.org/would/rather_not/report.this (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11198193.htm)

...Since it would pretty much destroy their tin-foil hat/conspiracy theory models. Sadly, many people here continue to digest that liberal porn as if it actually had some sort of meaning. Ah but it is so much more fun to look for the elephants in the cuppboard. Childish pursuits for childish minds...

Meanwhile other media are actually reporting the truth, as you can see if you click above.


Yaaaa, how much safer is bagdad, fucknuts? :rolleyes:

You're no fun :p

The main reason, why liberals objected to the invasion of Fallujah, especially in my case, is because civilians are going to be killed, homes are going to get destroyed. This is a fact of war, liberals are generally vocal at opposing wars, and if they continued the same tactics in other cities, the killings would escalate.

Like you say it is Iraqi's fighting mostly Iraqi's. This saves American lives and keeps people at home warm and happy that their sons and daughter's are not getting killed, while they watch what might turn out to be a civil war, in the making.
Two have a civil war you need two competing sides. The terrorists are mostly foreign. The Iraq forces are nearing the point where they can enforce the rule of law. Then we can move on. You are right, civilians get killed in war - it is a regrettable incident when it happens, regardless of what side does it (though the terrorist tactic of targeting civilians for expressing the right to vote is particularly despicable) Unfortunately, when diplomacy breaks down then the only options are fight or surrender... After over ten years the circumstances and the options were clear - and the US is not about to set a diplomatic precedent and surrender. It would end up costing far more lives in the long run.


BTW - some people here will be shocked that I didn't flame or insult you. Sorry to disappoint - but when I am addressed with civility I respond in kind. Something my critics have been unable to do. It is a pleasure to speak with a liberal like you, Planners. Thank you.

Yaaaa, how much safer is bagdad, fucknuts? :rolleyes:

is it a full moon in liberal-land?

So hold on, not only did the US storm Fallujah at the risk to many of their own men to destroy the insurgency killing many Iraqis, they're even paying compensation?

And the US is still evil?

Actually, Bozzy, you are mistaken. Most of the "terrorists," really more accurately called "insurgents" are not foreign. There are actually multiple factions of insurgents, some are religious nutcases, some are simply anti-US occupation. Many of the very religious ones are foriegn, but most of the others are Iraqis, who view the government as full of US puppets (may or may not be the case). They are united by their common hatred of the US.

Anyway, it basically IS a civil war. Those in charge of the insurgents in Fallujah, at least before we destroyed the place, were two Iraqi.

The best thing for the situation would be for the new Iraqi constitution to be written and put in effect as quickly as possible. That will make the government there more stable, and more people will see it as legit. This will make it easier to raise a new Iraqi army. Eventually, the Iraqi army will be large enough so that the US forces are no longer needed.

We can't simply pull out now, that would be irresponsible. We have to leave the place better than we found it.

Two have a civil war you need two competing sides. The terrorists are mostly foreign. The Iraq forces are nearing the point where they can enforce the rule of law. Then we can move on. You are right, civilians get killed in war - it is a regrettable incident when it happens, regardless of what side does it (though the terrorist tactic of targeting civilians for expressing the right to vote is particularly despicable)




First of all, if a civil war does happen it will be the minority shiites, against the majority sunnis. I have no idea if it will happen, but it is a possibilty and it does not concern the Iraqi police. The rule of all depends on how well politicaly and ethnically the country can stay together. This is why you argue for Americans to not have a quick withdrawal, this is also when I think there should be UN peacekeepers.

Unfortunately, when diplomacy breaks down then the only options are fight or surrender... After over ten years the circumstances and the options were clear - and the US is not about to set a diplomatic precedent and surrender. It would end up costing far more lives in the long run.

I disagree with the majority of the above statement, but I will not argue it since I'd be rehashing the same predictable response.


BTW - some people here will be shocked that I didn't flame or insult you. Sorry to disappoint - but when I am addressed with civility I respond in kind. Something my critics have been unable to do. It is a pleasure to speak with a liberal like you, Planners. Thank you.


I am responding in a matter in which I feel my argument can be most effective.

Two have a civil war you need two competing sides. The terrorists are mostly foreign. The Iraq forces are nearing the point where they can enforce the rule of law. Then we can move on. You are right, civilians get killed in war - it is a regrettable incident when it happens, regardless of what side does it (though the terrorist tactic of targeting civilians for expressing the right to vote is particularly despicable) Unfortunately, when diplomacy breaks down then the only options are fight or surrender... After over ten years the circumstances and the options were clear - and the US is not about to set a diplomatic precedent and surrender. It would end up costing far more lives in the long run.


BTW - some people here will be shocked that I didn't flame or insult you. Sorry to disappoint - but when I am addressed with civility I respond in kind. Something my critics have been unable to do. It is a pleasure to speak with a liberal like you, Planners. Thank you.
You know, it all sounds so nice and rosy out the mouths of conservative babes, but you will pardon the 110% decible "I told you so" when Bush refuses to leave the middle east and bring the troops home, even when this war is for all accounts, over....

PNAC, the doctrine for all things neo-con, has stated that Iraq is nothing more than a "key" nation, a foot in the middle eastern geopolitical door. This is far from over...

is it a full moon in liberal-land?

Right or someone who thinks knuckleheads who liken that war ravaged city to being "safe" as crazies.. :rolleyes:

Right or someone who thinks knuckleheads who liken that war ravaged city to being "safe" as crazies.. :rolleyes:

although i don't agree with bozzy i gotta say that he claims its the "safest" city in Iraq no one is claiming its safe by any stretch of the imagination

What I like are the asshats who believe that Fallujah was "utterly destroyed" or "leveled by carpet bombing".

You can go see the satellite photos of the city online and note that it's not "utterly destroyed" nor is it "leveled by carpet bombing". In fact, it would appear in comparison to previous photos, that most of the buildings are still there.

Of course, I posted the entire After Action Report here previously, which is an official account of what happened - it includes things you would think people would leave out for public relations reasons.

It was a meticulous house by house clearing, trying to damage as little as possible and kill as many insurgents as possible while allowing non-combatants to leave the area - preferably in advance.

It seems to have worked. Saying the place was leveled will only confirm a complete lack of credibility and a gross misconception about how US forces clear an urban area.

Actually, Bozzy, you are mistaken. Most of the "terrorists," really more accurately called "insurgents" are not foreign. There are actually multiple factions of insurgents, some are religious nutcases, some are simply anti-US occupation. Many of the very religious ones are foriegn, but most of the others are Iraqis, who view the government as full of US puppets (may or may not be the case). They are united by their common hatred of the US.

And you can proove this with....

The terrorists (which they are based on their methods and targets, insurgents everywhere would be insulted to be lumped with the terrorist in Iraq) have been actively recruiting across two continents. Syria and Iran have both been accused by the Iraqis of offering clandestine support to the terorists. Punches a rather large hole in your 'homegrown' argument.


Anyway, it basically IS a civil war. Those in charge of the insurgents in Fallujah, at least before we destroyed the place, were two Iraqi.
Zarkawi is an Iraqi? Better tell him! Actually we are there to prevent a civil war, which we are doing with considerable success considering the power vacuum which was left after the removal of Saddam.

The best thing for the situation would be for the new Iraqi constitution to be written and put in effect as quickly as possible. That will make the government there more stable, and more people will see it as legit. This will make it easier to raise a new Iraqi army. Eventually, the Iraqi army will be large enough so that the US forces are no longer needed.

We can't simply pull out now, that would be irresponsible. We have to leave the place better than we found it.
Agreed.

This is a news quote from Pink Flamingo Beach (I.E. White Trash Heaven)... Where they post an Article on 3/22, mention people being killed on 3/31, and fail to mention the year, that's just sloppy. Therefore...


Yet oddly they still have more credibility in their 'white trash' pinkies than the oh-so-enlightened Democracy Now folks could ever hope to have.

And you can proove this with....

The terrorists (which they are based on their methods and targets, insurgents everywhere would be insulted to be lumped with the terrorist in Iraq) have been actively recruiting across two continents. Syria and Iran have both been accused by the Iraqis of offering clandestine support to the terorists. Punches a rather large hole in your 'homegrown' argument.


Zarkawi is an Iraqi? Better tell him! Actually we are there to prevent a civil war, which we are doing with considerable success considering the power vacuum which was left after the removal of Saddam.

Agreed.

Zarqawi leads one faction, not all factions. He's not some sort of islamic bogeyman behind everything that goes wrong. My source? An article shortly before the US reconquered Fallujah, in the San Francisco Chronicle, owned by the Hearst Corporation.

Just because many of the "terrorists" are foreign, does not mean that MOST of them are.

Well, if our job is to PREVENT a civil war, we're doing a pretty bad job of it, considering that there's one going on.

Yet oddly they still have more credibility in their 'white trash' pinkies than the oh-so-enlightened Democracy Now folks could ever hope to have.Would this qualify as an ad hominem that doesn't discuss the point (deleted from the quote) or a tu quoquo that doesn't discuss the point?

Fallujah now is the safest city in Iraq


Democracynow.org/would/rather_not/report.this (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/nation/11198193.htm)

...Since it would pretty much destroy their tin-foil hat/conspiracy theory models. Sadly, many people here continue to digest that liberal porn as if it actually had some sort of meaning. Ah but it is so much more fun to look for the elephants in the cuppboard. Childish pursuits for childish minds...

Meanwhile other media are actually reporting the truth, as you can see if you click above.
Roflmao, of course it's the safest city. There's like practically noone left!

Well, at least the trains run on time, right guys?

Roflmao, of course it's the safest city. There's like practically noone left!

Not true. Most of the original residents have returned. There were very few civilian casualties.

Now, on the other hand, the insurgents lost 2000 men killed and several hundred captured.

Several hundred tons of explosives were captured. And more were destroyed.

There was one insurgent stronghold in the city that was hit with a single 105mm shell - and the explosion went on for 45 minutes as their stockpile detonated.

Still want to repeat lies you wish happened?

You have a brochure!?
I would SO love to have one. Got a link? I've already decided to join the golf club in Baghdad... $60 for 1 year AND you get a membership card! If I could only find the link now.

Meanwhile there is also a free golf course in Mosul!
http://www.golfweb.com/story/6850234
You can "study with the Taliban." ;)

"Study with the Taliban' sounds like a rock song.

how many people are in fallujah now?
It's estimated that it is between 80,000 and 90,000, which is more than double what it was in January.

For the record, I really don't care at all about this subject; I just hate being called a domgat simply because I'm a liberal libertarian.