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Be honest....

No, I stopped being afraid of death at around 13.

Yes and no. It would have to be on my own terms and painless, otherwise I fear it.

im not too scared of my own death. now and then i get a little jolt of fear but by and large im not.

i am terrified at the thought of the death of my loved ones though. does that count?

Not terribly.
If I were an atheist, though, it might be a different story.

No.
As a Christian, I believe my existence will improve immeasurably in many ways when this body I'm currently inhabiting dies.
I'm not in a hurry, but it'll be good when it comes.
:D

I don't wanna die!!! I enjoy life, I never want it to end. Even at the loss of everyone around me, I think I would go on and start over.

I hope Terry Schiavo dies and soon. The fact that that woman is on her deathbed makes me ill.

(Sorry for the hijack.)

Not really. It's inevitable, but when you think you're dying it's a stressfull event. I've been there, and it's not pleasant.

i have this issue with mot being afraid of anything but crickets. death certainly doesnt scare me though.i work with dead people every day. ita all the same.

Death itself doesn't frighten me, but there are a lot of ways to die that do.

I'm obsessed with death and my worst fear is being killed or worse....mangled in a car accident. I always think someone is going to die-those I love. Its awful.

Depends. A peaceful or quick death I could handle. A long, drawn out, painful, degrading death would make me want to end it on my terms.

I'm obsessed with death and my worst fear is being killed or worse....mangled in a car accident. I always think someone is going to die-those I love. Its awful.

That's interesting. I always thought a car accident would be one of the more preferable ways. At least compared to being frozen, burned, or vaporized.

I think everyone fears death to an extent. While you may not fear death all the time, when faced with your possible imminent death, by whatever means, most people feel some fear.

That's interesting. I always thought a car accident would be one of the more preferable ways. At least compared to being frozen, burned, or vaporized.
Frozen's not so bad. When you get passed the shiverring, which sucks, you just feel sleepy and numb.

I can safely say that I don't fear it. I fear what might happen to those who are close to me when I'm gone, but I'll be dead, so it won't be a big deal...

It sounds like most people are afraid of the pain associated with death, not death itself.

I personally am terrified by death. Not to the point that I think about it all of the time, but the idea of nothingness and the end of existence rattles me.

That's interesting. I always thought a car accident would be one of the more preferable ways. At least compared to being frozen, burned, or vaporized.


not me.....car wrecks freak me out. Anytime someone is late arriving somewhere theyre supposed to be, I immediately think theyve had a wreck. Its the only thing I'm afraid of I believe. I'm starting to sound mental now arent i? *shuts up*

That's interesting. I always thought a car accident would be one of the more preferable ways. At least compared to being frozen, burned, or vaporized.


Actually they say being frozen is very peaceful. After a while you stop feeling cold, a feeling of warmth and relaxation comes over you and you just drift to sleep.

Burning on the other hand, is far too gruesome to describe.

being an atheist, i have no fear of death, as thats like being afraid of unconsciousness, and screaming at the thought of sleep isnt something i want to be doing. death is nothing, so what is their to be afraid of? its not like thiers gonna be some bloke in a red suit with a pitchfork waiting for me when im dead. and if their is, well, ill just say "sorry mate, no nerve ends. im dead you see, so i have no body. cant feel any pain, so your torturing mes a little pointless. fancy a drink?"

Are you afraid of death?

Not if I manage to finish a few things I planned to do in this life... like write a book, etc.

Heck, life goes on for the rest of the world. And it doesn't matter one bit to me if I go anywhere after death or just disappear. As long as I didn't waste my life entirely, it's going to be worth it. And I've felt like that since I was 14 (three years ago).

As for the way I want to die...

Well, I want it to be either quick and relatively painless (heart attack is most likely in fact; and it's unpleasant for a while but you lose consciousness rather quickly), or after some sort of accident. Sufficient time to talk to someone in a dramatic way. :p

I heard that in a state of shock, the pain is mostly blocked out, and you can think quite clearly.

being an atheist, i have no fear of death, as thats like being afraid of unconsciousness, and screaming at the thought of sleep isnt something i want to be doing. death is nothing, so what is their to be afraid of? its not like thiers gonna be some bloke in a red suit with a pitchfork waiting for me when im dead. and if their is, well, ill just say "sorry mate, no nerve ends. im dead you see, so i have no body. cant feel any pain, so your torturing mes a little pointless. fancy a drink?"

My thoughts exactly!

Some have already died, but keep breathing
Others breath but thier lives have finished......................

if their is, well, ill just say "sorry mate, no nerve ends. im dead you see, so i have no body. cant feel any pain, so your torturing mes a little pointless. fancy a drink?"
Ever heard of emotional pain? Mental anguish? Psychological torture?

Some have already died, but keep breathing
Others breath but thier lives have finished......................

You said the same thing twice, I believe.

Ever heard of emotional pain? Mental anguish? Psychological torture?

If you wanna get technical, you won't have a brain, or any bodily organs, for that matter...

I dont want to die, but I dont fear death. I respect it and I'm wary of it. I'm more concerned for those I would leave behind. Before I was married with kids I had two really close calls, but now those would make a much different impact

How can I question what you believe ??
Only you can see the difference............

Death, no. Dying, yes. Specifically of it being excruciatingly painful

Ever heard of emotional pain? Mental anguish? Psychological torture?

oh, so in hell the devil calls you smelly does he? if he locks me in a room i will take advantage of my discorporeal state to drift through the walls. or, i could even say "sorry mate, no hormones, so no feelings of any kind. and dont say im smelly when your domain is full of sulpher and i have no sweat glands. fancy going to frighten some mediums on earth with me?". id have thought religions would have thought of this....

anyway, if as religions have claimed, alcohol is evil, as is corruption (despite them all engaging in this as a matter of course, but anyway....) then the devil wont be able to resisit it. so their. yep, when i find their is no after life, then ill be unable to be smug, but if common bloody sense has betrayed me, then im gonna be living the easy life in hell with Mr lucifer, simply by virtue of bribeing him with something we can both enjoy. such as alcohol.

It sounds like most people are afraid of the pain associated with death, not death itself.

I personally am terrified by death. Not to the point that I think about it all of the time, but the idea of nothingness and the end of existence rattles me.


I feel exactly the same way as you do. The idea of nothingness, the complete obliteration of myself, and nonexistence, causes me a lot of trouble.
I just find my possible complete obliteration difficult to deal with.

If you wanna get technical, you won't have a brain, or any bodily organs, for that matter...
But Socialist-anarchists is imagining a conversation between himself/herself and a rather crude representation of the Devil, in which S-a states that he/she no longer has a body, thus implying the existence of consciousness, perception, and interaction after the death of the physical body.

As long as the death isn't painful I don't care. I have no worries about what will happen after my death.

oh, so in hell the devil calls you smelly does he? if he locks me in a room i will take advantage of my discorporeal state to drift through the walls. or, i could even say "sorry mate, no hormones, so no feelings of any kind. and dont say im smelly when your domain is full of sulpher and i have no sweat glands. fancy going to frighten some mediums on earth with me?". id have thought religions would have thought of this....

anyway, if as religions have claimed, alcohol is evil, as is corruption (despite them all engaging in this as a matter of course, but anyway....) then the devil wont be able to resisit it. so their. yep, when i find their is no after life, then ill be unable to be smug, but if common bloody sense has betrayed me, then im gonna be living the easy life in hell with Mr lucifer, simply by virtue of bribeing him with something we can both enjoy. such as alcohol.

You're the fourth person to be up for my special award, which sadly, I cannot make, because I have no metalworking skill.

I feel exactly the same way as you do. The idea of nothingness, the complete obliteration of myself, and nonexistence, causes me a lot of trouble.
I just find my possible complete obliteration difficult to deal with.
Really? I find it comforting. No more worries, no cares, no desires. Just eternal dreamless sleep.

But Socialist-anarchists is imagining a conversation between himself/herself and a rather crude representation of the Devil, in which S-a states that he/she no longer has a body, thus implying the existence of consciousness, perception, and interaction after the death of the physical body.

See kids, this is what happens when you can't see a joke if it hits you in the face.

Really? I find it comforting. No more worries, no cares, no desires. Just eternal dreamless sleep.

For me, it is the worries, cares, and desires that make existence so enjoyable.

You're the fourth person to be up for my special award, which sadly, I cannot make, because I have no metalworking skill.

cheers, man. never mind though, maybe if i believe in it enough it might turn out to be real. in the mean time ill just act like its on my mantlepiece and get angry at folk who cant see it.

(note for idiots: that was me mocking religion)

oh, so in hell the devil calls you smelly does he? if he locks me in a room i will take advantage of my discorporeal state to drift through the walls. or, i could even say "sorry mate, no hormones, so no feelings of any kind. and dont say im smelly when your domain is full of sulpher and i have no sweat glands. fancy going to frighten some mediums on earth with me?". id have thought religions would have thought of this....

anyway, if as religions have claimed, alcohol is evil, as is corruption (despite them all engaging in this as a matter of course, but anyway....) then the devil wont be able to resisit it. so their. yep, when i find their is no after life, then ill be unable to be smug, but if common bloody sense has betrayed me, then im gonna be living the easy life in hell with Mr lucifer, simply by virtue of bribeing him with something we can both enjoy. such as alcohol.
For the sake of this discussion, I'm going to assume you're being serious.
:rolleyes:
The Devil can torment people by telling them a subtle mixture of truths, half-truths, and lies. The Devil could tell you that you're not good enough, that no-one likes you, that you will never achieve anything of value, that your existence will never improve. He could do that forever.
Emotions are not solely hormonal, as they vary based on visual, auditory, sensory, and other data. You've already admitted the existence of visual and auditory data in the hypothetical situation you suggested, as you have given a visual description of the Devil, and have spoken to him.
Alcohol isn't evil; at least, Jesus didn't think so (100+ gallons of water turned into wine at a wedding party). Why do you think you would have possession of anything in Hell, that you could bribe anyone there?

For the sake of this discussion, I'm going to assume you're being serious.

No, you mean for the sake of your argument. Don't put a spin on things that you know nothing about, man. It's not a very smart idea.

See kids, this is what happens when you can't see a joke if it hits you in the face.
Hey, no need to get unpleasant. I enjoy hypothetical discussions.

I have been close to death and it doesn't 'frighten' me but I hope when it happens...it's as sudden as my close call just closer. My hope is that it be like dreamless sleep...I can accept that. But I do fear the prolonged, painful death. But I guess I'll not get to chose. Ah,well!

That's a flame, is it not?

Yeah, I got ahead of myself. I fixed it now.

I do not fear death.

Right now, I do not welcome it and I hope it pases me by. But, when I am old, I shall welcome it because eternal life is mundane. Sure, seeing the world change would be wonderful, but, to live a meaningless existance would suck.

Death is a way of keeping the cycle of life turning. The old are old for a reason. They have lived life and they have imparted their wisdom unto the young, and then they are needed elsewhere. They can't keep living.

not since i became a buddhist :)

I have no fear of death, im not scared of dying or anything death related. Thus being because I am a Christian and I know that because i am saved and believe in GOD, that I shall have eternal life, and when i leave this earth, my soul will go to a better place.

_OFF TOPIC_
The case dealing with terry shiavo is a so horrible, how can people allow another human being just to die? it is wrong and her so called "husband" should be the one going to death for doing what he is, it is inhumane, how would u feel if i just decided to kill because i didnt think u could think or could have any feeling, LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT FORM

Really? I find it comforting. No more worries, no cares, no desires. Just eternal dreamless sleep.
Amen. I find it comforting as well.

For the sake of this discussion, I'm going to assume you're being serious.
:rolleyes:
The Devil can torment people by telling them a subtle mixture of truths, half-truths, and lies. The Devil could tell you that you're not good enough, that no-one likes you, that you will never achieve anything of value, that your existence will never improve. He could do that forever.
Emotions are not solely hormonal, as they vary based on visual, auditory, sensory, and other data. You've already admitted the existence of visual and auditory data in the hypothetical situation you suggested, as you have given a visual description of the Devil, and have spoken to him.
Alcohol isn't evil; at least, Jesus didn't think so (100+ gallons of water turned into wine at a wedding party). Why do you think you would have possession of anything in Hell, that you could bribe anyone there?

firstly, im obviously not being serious. their is no afterlife, its a silly idea. secondly, i get told noone likes me all the time, and that no one likes me by my own (very slight) paranoia. as im a left winger, im always being told that im worthless, cant change anything and nothing can ever improve by the right wing anyway, so i thats no change. and if it were happening forever, that would be no change, as for me my life is forever, ie nothing before or after, so im going to be told this a lot anyway. the visual stimulation etc is what causes the release of hormones, therefore the emotion, so without the hormones their would be no emotion. i was under the impression that prohibition in america was partially due to the religious people claim it was wrong to get wasted, the spoilsports. and if i didnt have stuff in hell, surely satan would be at least slightly impressesed someone had tried to cut a deal with him, rather than scream or cry or whatever.

the entire situation was nonsense anyway, so the parts of it that didnt make sense dont really matter, do they?

_OFF TOPIC_
The case dealing with terry shiavo is a so horrible, how can people allow another human being just to die? it is wrong and her so called "husband" should be the one going to death for doing what he is, it is inhumane, how would u feel if i just decided to kill because i didnt think u could think or could have any feeling, LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT FORM

There are threads for that topic, post your ideas on Shiavo there.

I don't fear death. Death is freedom. Death frees you from the darkness, despair, and greedy world. How is that bad?

how can people allow another human being just to die? it is wrong and her so called "husband" should be the one going to death for doing what he is,

If you can't see the fallacy in your own arguement, beat yourself against a wall until you can't see anything anymore. You're pro-life yet advocating capital punishment.

-On Topic-

I've got no problem with death, not since I finished some courses of study in Japanese martial arts. Yeah, that sounds a little odd, but I liked Kenji's explanation of what he saw the afterlife to be and what a Shingami is. Liked that enough to actually start believing in it. Now I've no problem with death.

Unless it involves fire. I'd prefer to die on my own terms, and those don't involve my flesh melting off my charred bones.

Hmm, there are different types of fear!

I'm not worried about it, and rarely think about it, so I'm not really afraid. But if I ever have a close-call, then I do get ruffled.

Amen. I find it comforting as well.

What do you enjoy about life. Without the desires and worries, life would be excruciatingly boring.

their is no afterlife, its a silly idea.

I agree.

Short version. - No!

Long version.
Death itself isn't frightening or even mysterious. You die and then is nothing...
The way I die is more of an issue to me (don't want to end up like Schiavo).
But there are means to that (just gotta remember to put it in writing).

I'm afraid of a painful death, does that count? Other than that, i'm in good health and look both ways before crossing the street and i live in rural england, i don't live in constant fear of death. When i die i hope to be old, whereupon death will be most welcome.

I have no fear of death, im not scared of dying or anything death related. Thus being because I am a Christian and I know that because i am saved and believe in GOD, that I shall have eternal life, and when i leave this earth, my soul will go to a better place.

_OFF TOPIC_
The case dealing with terry shiavo is a so horrible, how can people allow another human being just to die? it is wrong and her so called "husband" should be the one going to death for doing what he is, it is inhumane, how would u feel if i just decided to kill because i didnt think u could think or could have any feeling, LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT FORM

ever taken an antibiotic? bacteria murderer! ever eaten meat? swatted a fly? not eaten a bacteria (because that would be to deprive it of the conditions it needs to live)? you murderous swine! remember LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT FORM. condemned by his/her own testimony.... god wouldnt be too happy would he, not after all that effort making those billions of bacteria you will SENSELESSLY murder during your lifetime.

No.

ever taken an antibiotic? bacteria murderer! ever eaten meat? swatted a fly? not eaten a bacteria (because that would be to deprive it of the conditions it needs to live)? you murderous swine! remember LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER WHAT FORM. condemned by his/her own testimony.... god wouldnt be too happy would he, not after all that effort making those billions of bacteria you will SENSELESSLY murder during your lifetime.

not that im comparing the humans life with a bacterias by the way. before the torrent of hatred bursts its damns and overwhelms me.

Short version. - No!

Long version.
Death itself isn't frightening or even mysterious. You die and then is nothing...
The way I die is more of an issue to me (don't want to end up like Schiavo).
But there are means to that (just gotta remember to put it in writing).

The thought of no longer existing doesn't bother you at all?

No I am not afraid of death. The reason is that I know when I die that I will live for eternity in Heaven. Through the glory of Jesus Christ and his death and resurection I and every person who accepts Him as their Savior will live too.


Death--------> :mad: :sniper: <--------Jesus

I dont fear death. The dying part may be a bit of a concern in time.

For now I am more concerned with living life to the fullest.

-snip-
*sees a fight coming*

*runs*
their is no afterlife, its a silly idea.



I agree.
This is why I have fear of death - never seeing my loved ones again, never sensing emotion, never thinking; I can't help but want that to be as far off as possible... (also an atheist)

firstly, im obviously not being serious. their is no afterlife, its a silly idea. secondly, i get told noone likes me all the time, and that no one likes me by my own (very slight) paranoia. as im a left winger, im always being told that im worthless, cant change anything and nothing can ever improve by the right wing anyway, so i thats no change. and if it were happening forever, that would be no change, as for me my life is forever, ie nothing before or after, so im going to be told this a lot anyway. the visual stimulation etc is what causes the release of hormones, therefore the emotion, so without the hormones their would be no emotion. i was under the impression that prohibition in america was partially due to the religious people claim it was wrong to get wasted, the spoilsports. and if i didnt have stuff in hell, surely satan would be at least slightly impressesed someone had tried to cut a deal with him, rather than scream or cry or whatever.

the entire situation was nonsense anyway, so the parts of it that didnt make sense dont really matter, do they?
Sorry, false assumption on my part.
Some Christians were very strong voices in favour of Prohibition. It doesn't mean we all think that way.
I still don't understand, though. Do you want to have a discussion based on your hypothetical meeting with the Devil, or not?

Originally Posted by Socialist-anarchists
-snip-

when did i post the word snip?

if your worried about never being alive again, get buried under a tree. all the matter that is you then gets turned into the tree, so in a sense you are alive again. perhaps not much comfort, but still. i could have suggested "get eaten by something", so look on the bright side.

God said that man has dominion over everything, so i can kill a bacteria...its only intent is to kill you so kill it first...too much of social darwinism there but oh well. And about Shiavo's husband, he shouldn't die but he should at least let her live and he should be out of the picture, he should see all the people who actually care for her and want her to stay alive.

What do you enjoy about life. Without the desires and worries, life would be excruciatingly boring.
I love tons of things about life and have plenty of desires and worries. I just don't worry about death. The fact that I know it will be all over one day is nice. I have goals in my life because I know it will be over soon and I want to get in certain things first.

No, I'm not afraid of death. Well, maybe afraid in a meaning that I still have too much to do in life to die just yet. As for death itself I'm more curious than afraid or anything else. I'll either get to know the answer for the "eternal question" or I won't know anything at all ever again. Or maybe not. Exciting anyway :)

Originally Posted by Socialist-anarchists
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when did i post the word snip?

if your worried about never being alive again, get buried under a tree. all the matter that is you then gets turned into the tree, so in a sense you are alive again. perhaps not much comfort, but still. i could have suggested "get eaten by something", so look on the bright side.

Life isn't the same as existence. Death doesn't necessarily stop life, it stops existence. So when I ask about death, I am referring to the end of existence.

Apparently the insurgents are afraid of death...
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f37f03d2-9d9d-11d9-a227-00000e2511c8.html

Sorry, false assumption on my part.
Some Christians were very strong voices in favour of Prohibition. It doesn't mean we all think that way.
I still don't understand, though. Do you want to have a discussion based on your hypothetical meeting with the Devil, or not?

we can if you want, though if i actually met him id say "wow, thats really strong, man", before collapsing, because he is in no sense real.

ha, just thought about where i might meet him. in the supermarket for example. probably buying febreeze or whatever to get the smell of sulpher out of his clothes.

God said that man has dominion over everything, so i can kill a bacteria...its only intent is to kill you so kill it first...too much of social darwinism there but oh well. And about Shiavo's husband, he shouldn't die but he should at least let her live and he should be out of the picture, he should see all the people who actually care for her and want her to stay alive.

Quit hijacking this thread.

As I said before, there are multiple threads concerning Terry Shiavo, so post your opinions on that topic in those designated threads.

Life isn't the same as existence. Death doesn't necessarily stop life, it stops existence. So when I ask about death, I am referring to the end of existence.

slightly confused. how can something live yet not exist? equally how can i not exist, yet live? i get your general idea though, i think...

we can if you want, though if i actually met him id say "wow, thats really strong, man", before collapsing, because he is in no sense real.

Ahhh, but what if he DOES exist? Objectively exist?

Wow, "Internet Tough Guy" chill, it's not going to kill anyone by doing that, plus it's related, ur making a matter out of nothing, plus ur the only one doin it so just go about ur business

The thought of no longer existing doesn't bother you at all?


Nope, I mean why should it. I am no longer... so It really doesn't concern me anymore.
Hopefully I live a happy life :fluffle:

I know it's hard to say until you've been in a situation where death is imminent, but at this moment I would say that I fear the manner of death, but not death in itself. Having said this, there's a basic instinct in every living thing to preserve itself, so to say I don't fear death itself at all would clearly be a lie.
So, in conclusion... I don't know.

And, on a death-related matter, I hope Internet Tough Guy doesn't kill me, because I live to thread-jack!

slightly confused. how can something live yet not exist? equally how can i not exist, yet live? i get your general idea though, i think...

I mean consciously exist.

Someone in a terminal coma, for example, lives, but the actual person inside body does not truly exist anymore.

Ahhh, but what if he DOES exist? Objectively exist?

yeah, but he doesnt though, does he? rhetorical question.

if by some ridiculously improbable series of events which are negligible in terms of probability he did exist,i would deduce god existed too, and bow down and worship satan, partially to piss god off, and partially becasue we only have gods side of the story as to what satans like. after all the crap god puts us through i doubt he is good, and if he isnt good, he must be evil, so he would lie about his opponent, satan, and call him evil to try and get support against him. i had a more articulate and bulletproof way of saying that, but is has slipped my mind because "thats really strong man"

Wow, "Internet Tough Guy" chill, it's not going to kill anyone by doing that, plus it's related, ur making a matter out of nothing, plus ur the only one doin it so just go about ur business

I am sick of hearing about Terry Schiavo and would rather close this thread down than watch it become another one of those idiotic, knee-jerk political threads.

And it is not related. I asked if you were afraid to die, and you said that Schiavo deserved to live. It does not address the original topic.

Nope ... not in the slightest.

I am sick of hearing about Terry Schiavo and would rather close this thread down than watch it become another one of those idiotic, knee-jerk political threads.

And it is not related. I asked if you were afraid to die, and you said that Schiavo deserved to live. It does not address the original topic.

to be fair, my arguement about afterlife and what i would say to satan isnt really linked either..... i suppsoe the afterlife is, but yeah...

There is no need for an afterlife. Death in and of its self is peaceful without having to continue living. Unfortunately for me, I believe our spirits live on but that's okay because I already feel dead. :)

yeah, but he doesnt though, does he? rhetorical question.

if by some ridiculously improbable series of events which are negligible in terms of probability he did exist,i would deduce god existed too, and bow down and worship satan, partially to piss god off, and partially becasue we only have gods side of the story as to what satans like. after all the crap god puts us through i doubt he is good, and if he isnt good, he must be evil, so he would lie about his opponent, satan, and call him evil to try and get support against him. i had a more articulate and bulletproof way of saying that, but is has slipped my mind because "thats really strong man"
I make no comment on the inherent probability of the Devil's existence, as I don't think you can apply probability theory to such a question. He either is there, or he isn't.
Why do you think it's God that puts you through crap? What if some/most of it is from the Devil, the one you want to worship?

to be fair, my arguement about afterlife and what i would say to satan isnt really linked either..... i suppsoe the afterlife is, but yeah...

I can't stand religious threads either, so I guess the same goes for you.

And after reading through both your and FE's posts, I have to say that your conversation seems a little absurd. It seems that you are more or less flamebaiting FE by insulting his religion.

I make no comment on the inherent probability of the Devil's existence, as I don't think you can apply probability theory to such a question. He either is there, or he isn't.
Why do you think it's God that puts you through crap? What if some/most of it is from the Devil, the one you want to worship?

first i dont want to worship anythig or anyone (yes, i said i would, but as that situation wont happen, im free to say i would do stuff that i would never do) and he isnt there. i think its must be god as he is apparently all powerful, so he could stop it. admittedly hes not directly causing it, but hes choosing not to end it. like if i set up an intricate torture device (calling it the "world") and threw you in it. i could let you out at any time, or stop it hurting you, but chose not to. i would be responsible for it would i not?

I can't stand religious threads either, so I guess the same goes for you.

And after reading through both your and FE's posts, I have to say that your conversation seems a little absurd. It seems that you are more or less flamebaiting FE by insulting his religion.

dont know what flamebaiting means. and please, no one type n00b or whatever. you wouldnt like it if you rang a pc repair hotline or whatever, and they told you to alter the transperambulater of psuedo-cosmic antimatter, you asked what that was and they laughed at you and insulted you. secondly, i believe im allowed to insult religions, just as they can insult my atheism and say im immoral and am going to hell. but if you want ill stop. just one more reply....

first i dont want to worship anythig or anyone (yes, i said i would, but as that situation wont happen, im free to say i would do stuff that i would never do) and he isnt there. i think its must be god as he is apparently all powerful, so he could stop it. admittedly hes not directly causing it, but hes choosing not to end it. like if i set up an intricate torture device (calling it the "world") and threw you in it. i could let you out at any time, or stop it hurting you, but chose not to. i would be responsible for it would i not?
Err... interesting theory. So you're saying that you'd rather be entirely controlled by a deity instead of having free will? If that happened, you know you'd just bitch about not being able to screw up the world and cause other people pain. If you were able to bitch. Which you probably wouldn't.

Yes, I am afraid of death. I believe in an afterlife with a loving God. Nevertheless, I think it may be that dying, like being born, might be pretty traumatic, and I am afraid of it.

don't laugh:

I'm not afraid of Death; Death, that spindly bastard, is afraid of me.

dont know what flamebaiting means. and please, no one type n00b or whatever. you wouldnt like it if you rang a pc repair hotline or whatever, and they told you to alter the transperambulater of psuedo-cosmic antimatter, you asked what that was and they laughed at you and insulted you. secondly, i believe im allowed to insult religions, just as they can insult my atheism and say im immoral and am going to hell. but if you want ill stop. just one more reply....

Flamebaiting is when you say something that you know the other person will find outrageous, just so you can get a reaction out of them. It seemed like saying that you would worship Satan was simply for that purpose. But go ahead, this thread isn't going anywhere anyways, and at least you aren't talking about Schiavo.

Err... interesting theory. So you're saying that you'd rather be entirely controlled by a deity instead of having free will? If that happened, you know you'd just bitch about not being able to screw up the world and cause other people pain. If you were able to bitch. Which you probably wouldn't.

no, im saying i would rather have free will (the existence of which is debatable). you know, thats what all the denying of gods and such i do a lot is about. i fail to see how what i said translates as "yes, make me a puppet". i was saying if their is a god, tsunamis, volcanos and the like are his responsibility, as he can stop them but doesnt. if i controlled electricity to your house, it went down, i didnt put it back on, you complained and i said "oh, so you would rather delegate your responsibility to me would you? lazy sod. build you own power plant" youd be pretty pissed off, yes?

Flamebaiting is when you say something that you know the other person will find outrageous, just so you can get a reaction out of them. It seemed like saying that you would worship Satan was simply for that purpose. But go ahead, this thread isn't going anywhere anyways, and at least you aren't talking about Schiavo.

cheers man. if their were a thumbs up smiley he would be here.

though i find people saying anything is because of god is outrageous, in both an insulting and unbelievable sense, though i expect someone going "god did it" isnt flamebaiting, is it? damn pro-religion social and legal systems.....

I don't fear death, but I do fear pain.

I don't fear death. I was close enough to it to appreciate living a whole lot more. A painful death. Pain is part of life and I can deal. As long as I don't regret anything when I am on my deathbead, all is good.

I don't fear death. I was close enough to it to appreciate living a whole lot more. A painful death. Pain is part of life and I can deal. As long as I don't regret anything when I am on my deathbead, all is good.

While reading your post, I realized that I don't fear the nothingness as much as I fear missing out on something (or everything, I guess).

Do you or anybody else feel that way?

I don't fear death, but I do fear pain.

As in the type of pain you would feel from somebody prodding you repeatedly with a red-hot bar of steel?

While reading your post, I realized that I don't fear the nothingness as much as I fear missing out on something (or everything, I guess).

Do you or anybody else feel that way?

Yes, I would agree that I feel the same in that way. That’s why I also dislike the idea that there is nothingness with death, as there are people, and very probably always will be, that will live unfulfilled lives, or lives that are dominated by suffering.

no, im saying i would rather have free will (the existence of which is debatable). you know, thats what all the denying of gods and such i do a lot is about. i fail to see how what i said translates as "yes, make me a puppet". i was saying if their is a god, tsunamis, volcanos and the like are his responsibility, as he can stop them but doesnt. if i controlled electricity to your house, it went down, i didnt put it back on, you complained and i said "oh, so you would rather delegate your responsibility to me would you? lazy sod. build you own power plant" youd be pretty pissed off, yes?
Lol, I just like debating. You're sweet :fluffle:

I can't stand religious threads either, so I guess the same goes for you.

And after reading through both your and FE's posts, I have to say that your conversation seems a little absurd. It seems that you are more or less flamebaiting FE by insulting his religion.
Sorry, ITG. Didn't mean to hijack.
I need sleep now anyway. S-a, I can't argue with you about God permitting natural disasters, I'm too tired, and I'm catching a train in the morning. See you around.

As in the type of pain you would feel from somebody prodding you repeatedly with a red-hot bar of steel?
Sure, or the type of pain you would feel if somebody decided to rummage about in your entrails with a white-hot poker, or the type of pain you'd feel if somebody skinned you alive.

Pain = No Fun.

Lol, I just like debating. You're sweet :fluffle:

thats a new response. :confused: got me worried now, man...

Sure, or the type of pain you would feel if somebody decided to rummage about in your entrails with a white-hot poker, or the type of pain you'd feel if somebody skinned you alive.

Pain = No Fun.

Much like the pain you would experience if somebody shoved pinecones up your ass?

Sorry, ITG. Didn't mean to hijack.
I need sleep now anyway. S-a, I can't argue with you about God permitting natural disasters, I'm too tired, and I'm catching a train in the morning. See you around.

ta ta then. if only god made people not need sleep.... bit of a design flaw their i feel....

I do fear death.

I strive for it, but when it comes right down to it, to that last moment, do or die... I panic and back out.

I'm ashamed and feel horrible about it, but it's the truth.

While reading your post, I realized that I don't fear the nothingness as much as I fear missing out on something (or everything, I guess).

Do you or anybody else feel that way?

That's why I learned early on that I should live my life to the fullest, and become the best I can possibly as a human. The little things don't matter to me, and the big things? Life is an incredible roller coaster and I am enjoying the ride. cliche? maybe, but true nonetheless.

Sometimes don't want to live, yet afraid to die? I hear that one... Thankfully for me it passes eventually... *whew*

That's why I learned early on that I should live my life to the fullest, and become the best I can possibly as a human. The little things don't matter to me, and the big things? Life is an incredible roller coaster and I am enjoying the ride. cliche? maybe, but true nonetheless.

Sadly, some people's roller coasters unexpectedly are missing a track, and you don't know till you get there... :( Man that was depressing... :rolleyes:

For example, theoretically say your life is going better than you could have hoped, you then get incurable cancer, live the rest of your short life in terrible pain... The End. It happens. I know people it's happened to and others in similar situations. Of course we all know that...

Sadly, some people's roller coasters unexpectedly are missing a track, and you don't know till you get there... :( Man that was depressing... :rolleyes:

For example, theoretically say your life is going better than you could have hoped, you then get incurable cancer, live the rest of your short life in terrible pain... The End. It happens. I know people it's happened to and others in similar situations. Of course we all know that...

People very close to me have died of cancer and other horrible diseases. Others have come close. I was even there when one of them died. That is why I live the way I live and believe what I believe. If I get struck down with a terminal illness, and only get a week to live, I don't want to say to myself I don't have enough time. I don't want to regret.

I don't want pain, I don't like it, but I don't fear it either - I've survived pain.

I'm not rushing towards death with arms wide open, but I'm not afraid of it either - why should I be?

it is just another doorway into another state of existance. And I know that I will come back. The 'I' that is, is eternal - may get frayed and tattered a bit but still remains, and will be rested and repaired by direct reunion with the Divine... then I shall venture forth again...

"One of those who choose to visit time, to don the rainments of mortal form"

I am 51 years old and although I have known, intellectually, for years that I would die one day, I never really knew it emotionally. This past year 2 cousins of mine died. One was a few years older than me and one was a few months younger then me. When this occured I knew, really knew that I would die one day. I think that I can honestly say that I don't fear death, but I won't volunteer for the next train out.

There are two ways to die that I do fear. I fear burning and drowning. When God decides that it is my time to go, I hope he sees fit to let me go quietly in my sleep.

People very close to me have died of cancer and other horrible diseases. Others have come close. I was even there when one of them died. That is why I live the way I live and believe what I believe. If I get struck down with a terminal illness, and only get a week to live, I don't want to say to myself I don't have enough time. I don't want to regret.


I hear that... You have to make the best of what you've got, whether it be perfect health or lifetime chronic illness... I've seen death myself, and had friends and family die... suddenly... also...

So someone smack me and tell me to destress because I have 2 days to do 1/3 semester of a class and take the exam!!! Lectures, reading and all! If I don't get an A in the class, I won't DIE OVER IT!!! :)

Be honest....
not death, just possibly the manner of my dying...for instance, i am afraid of the process of burning alive, drowning, or falling from a high building, but it's not the dying part that worries me so much as the brief and painful period immediately before death :P.

it's not death i fear...i reckon that's easy. One moment you're there, next moment you're gone

it's the way i might die which bugs me!

not death, just possibly the manner of my dying...for instance, i am afraid of the process of burning alive, drowning, or falling from a high building, but it's not the dying part that worries me so much as the brief and painful period immediately before death :P.

hey! great minds work alike ;)

only you put it much better than i did

Glad to help...

*SMACK*

There you go Hyperslackovicznia!

Hope that makes everything better

not death, just possibly the manner of my dying...for instance, i am afraid of the process of burning alive, drowning, or falling from a high building, but it's not the dying part that worries me so much as the brief and painful period immediately before death :P.

My father in law burned alive (to death) last fall...

My issue is not knowing EXACTLY what's on the other side... I think there's something, (other than becoming plant food... well, I intend to be cremated...), but I suppose the life you've lead, and how old you are really nails what your perspective is on this... (I guess that's obvious...)

thats a new response. :confused: got me worried now, man...
Well, at least you can't call me predictable. Now gimme a fluffle, or I'll cry...

Glad to help...

*SMACK*

There you go Hyperslackovicznia!

Hope that makes everything better

Thanks! Now I need a fluffle for the typo in my last post... or is it another smack? :confused: Probably both... either would be lovely to me! ;)

Thanks! Now I need a fluffle for the typo in my last post... or is it another smack? :confused: Probably both... either would be lovely to me! ;)
I give you fluffle! :fluffle:

I give you fluffle! :fluffle:
TY~! And backatcha!!! :fluffle:

I hear that... You have to make the best of what you've got, whether it be perfect health or lifetime chronic illness... I've seen death myself, and had friends and family die... suddenly... also...

So someone smack me and tell me to destress because I have 2 days to do 1/3 semester of a class and take the exam!!! Lectures, reading and all! If I don't get an A in the class, I won't DIE OVER IT!!! :)

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
I can send you good vibes... if you want. :)

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
I can send you good vibes... if you want. :)

TY and backatcha as well!!! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

No. I basically figured that once I die, the fact that I'm dead won't bother me. :p

It could be pretty intresting to die. (that is, if the belief that goes with one of my two world views or something similar turns out to be correct. Otherwise, it simply wouldn't be a problem once it happens) Most of the time, I wouldn't really have anything against dying, but I don't long for it either.

I do however have some goals that I want to fulfill before I die. Some pretty much sane, some quite weird, and some pretty much insane. :D If I don't get the chance to fulfill all of them before I die, I will probably be a bit pissed just before dying, assuming I manage to keep my self control during the last moments.

I don't want pain, I don't like it, but I don't fear it either - I've survived pain.

I'm not rushing towards death with arms wide open, but I'm not afraid of it either - why should I be?

it is just another doorway into another state of existance. And I know that I will come back. The 'I' that is, is eternal - may get frayed and tattered a bit but still remains, and will be rested and repaired by direct reunion with the Divine... then I shall venture forth again...

"One of those who choose to visit time, to don the rainments of mortal form"

I just saw this... "One of those who choose...". Where did that quote come from, because if it isn't a direct quote, I know I've dealt w/the philosophy and read about it. I think it's one of the closest I may actually subscribe to...

I am not really sure whether or not I fear death. I think that might be odd - generally, one either does or does not fear something (yes?) - but I truly do not know.

I know that I am quite happy being alive, and I don't want to give that up quite yet. But I think I may be more afraid of losing interest in life (I cannot imagine it, but the thought itself terrifies me) than actually dying.

I have been killed a few times. So I'm not scared. I'm living on borrowed time.

There is no reason to be afraid of death of you believe and know that your living your life to the fullest and know everything is ok when your time comes.

More afraid of clowns than death, really.

I'm uber-scared of death, thus is part of the reason I want to be immortal (with my wife, friends, and family, of course).

The other reason I want immortality for myself, family and friends, is to see all there is to see in the universe before the Big Rip. Once that occurs, nuke me. I'd like it instant, and painless. :p

Be honest....
Okay, then I would say NO, I'm not afraid to die. Just hope that when it happens it will be quick.

Certainly not. I welcome death when it comes; in fact, I have been having quite a lot of fun planning my own funeral. When I die my family is going to have quite the party, it will be great.

Not at all, I'm sure it will be a relaxing event.

Gosh, I feel real horrible now.

I mean, look at all you people who aren't afraid to die...

I feel even more cowardly than before.

Anyone else feeling like shit now, all cowardly, being afraid to take one step when here is a shitload of people unafraid of death?

Gosh, I feel real horrible now.

I mean, look at all you people who aren't afraid to die...

I feel even more cowardly than before.

Anyone else feeling like shit now, all cowardly, being afraid to take one step when here is a shitload of people unafraid of death?
its normal to be afraid of death. I'm catholic and its not like i'm looking forward to it ;)

Dead people don't care so why worry about it? When you are dead you won't care. What you do care about is your life and living it so why worry about death whem there are better things to worry about while you are alive? When you die, there is no stopping it, no matter what you do. It is inevitable. What happens after death is anyones guess. You do know you are here. Baring some catastrophic event like getting murdered, fatal accident, etc.... you have a general idea of the average life span so make the most of it and enjoy life as we know it while you're around.

I am not afraid of death itself but rather the circumstances around my death. We are all dead men and women. Death is the only the corporal end. The universe must remain in balance so for every death something minutely changes therefore we arent really dead in the grand scheme. Just hope you dont realize you died, this way it so easy to accept

No. Death itself isn't really the problem, since nobody can escape it, which makes death a lot more fair than life. The thing I'm afraid of is how I die and especially how the time before my death will be. I don't want to die slowly while being in some sort of vegetative status. Then again you can't really influence that, so... you gotta cope and accept it.

I can't say I'm afraid of my own death, as it will come sooner or later anyway. It's different with people I care for.

Dead people don't care so why worry about it? When you are dead you won't care. What you do care about is your life and living it so why worry about death whem there are better things to worry about while you are alive? When you die, there is no stopping it, no matter what you do. It is inevitable. What happens after death is anyones guess. You do know you are here. Baring some catastrophic event like getting murdered, fatal accident, etc.... you have a general idea of the average life span so make the most of it and enjoy life as we know it while you're around.

Face death sometime. Stare it right in the face, take a good long look. It's not being dead that's scary, it's not the afterlife... it's death itself. I'm a firm beliver in reincarnation. Even at times when I know, KNOW that being reincarnated, or even ceasing to EXIST would be better than my current state of affairs.... it's scary. Downright scary.

I love the thought of my own death, and only two reasons do I care about my life. On is a certain individual, the other is I see suicide as a weak thing to do, and I hate feeling weak. If I were to live forever I would hate every second of it.

I love the thought of my own death, and only two reasons do I care about my life. On is a certain individual, the other is I see suicide as a weak thing to do, and I hate feeling weak. If I were to live forever I would hate every second of it.

Right on.

I see death as beautiful, really, which scares the hell outta my boyfriend and beloved elder "brother". I've also made countless attempts to attain it (as recently as.... actually, today. shh don't tell.) But everytime I come face to face with death, I back down like the spineless coward I really am. For that I dispise myself. For that, I'll probably be around a while.

I'm heading to bed now, before you can all pounce on me with stupid misplaced sentiment. Got anything important to reply, drop me a line.

Yes, but only because I am not sure if there is an afterlife or not.

If there isn't, I'll be gone forever. Oblivion. I am frightened of that. So, so very frightened.

If there is, and let's say it's the traditional Christian afterlife, my best hope is that Dante's vision is correct and I make it to the first level of Hell.

So, yeah.. my prospects aren't good.

(as recently as.... actually, today. shh don't tell.)
:eek:

Right on.

I see death as beautiful, really, which scares the hell outta my boyfriend and beloved elder "brother". I've also made countless attempts to attain it (as recently as.... actually, today. shh don't tell.) But everytime I come face to face with death, I back down like the spineless coward I really am. For that I dispise myself. For that, I'll probably be around a while.

I'm heading to bed now, before you can all pounce on me with stupid misplaced sentiment. Got anything important to reply, drop me a line.
Yes, I really don't fear it, I just hate feeling weak. And unlike alot of people here I don't wanna go fast, I wan't my death to be painful, and slow. I want to feel what it's like to be suffering, and nothing can be done about it. That is one of the reasons I personally want to go to war, I horribly dissagree with the reasons for the Iraq blunder, but I want to go.

But then again I don't want to die yet, I wouldn't want to hurt certain individuals that I care too much about.

I've been around it, alot. I've even seen humans die. It happens. You assume I haven't exprienced. At no point did I say anyone is right or wrong with what they knowing. Knowing is a matter of believing. Just because you know it doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't mean it's untrue either. So don't act like I'm saying you are right or wrong. And the old saying goes assuming makes an @$$ out of u and me.

Yes, but only because I am not sure if there is an afterlife or not.

If there isn't, I'll be gone forever. Oblivion. I am frightened of that. So, so very frightened.

If there is, and let's say it's the traditional Christian afterlife, my best hope is that Dante's vision is correct and I make it to the first level of Hell.

So, yeah.. my prospects aren't good.


Reincarnation

okay, okay, really going to bed now. Goodnight.

Personally, I'm very tired and don't care how I get rest. Dealing with humans for the past 9,000 of your years has put me in the mood to die for a few million years. I'm going to take some time off as soon as this body expires.

Not terribly.
If I were an atheist, though, it might be a different story.

What would you be scared of, precisely, as an atheist?

I'm assuming you're implying you're a Christian. Which, I assume, means you believe in hell. A lot more scary than just ceasing to live, no?

BTW, I'm not scared of dying. Only not living.

My religious beliefs encompass both "dying = permanent cessation of conciousness" and "there is eternal soul"

I am a complete Athiest and I am not afraid to die. I am afarid of pain - I've have enough pain with having to learn to walk again - ;) but not of death itself.

I'm assuming you're implying you're a Christian. Which, I assume, means you believe in hell. A lot more scary than just ceasing to live, no?Depends. At least in Hell, you retain who you are; you're still you. You still exist. You don't in oblivion.

I am not afraid of death. I am however, afraid that death may involve me leaving this reality with unfinished business - and both myself and others with regret. There is nothing to fear in death itself, but to take great pride in dying as well as one should hope to have lived.

People say death is an uncertainty, filled with questions. We all live, we all die, the only question is when. People fear death. They say death is knocking at our doors. So, people metaphorically hide behind their couch, and death has to crash through the windows, very unpeaceful. I, personally, would answer the door, invite death in for a cup of coffee. Because then, you may talk with death itself, hear a few good stories ("And you wouldn't believe the look on his face"), and become wise to it's ways, and perhaps he won't take you right then. And if he still does decide to take you, you have stalled him.

Death catches us in our weakest emotions, sneaking up on us when we are blind. Blind loneliness, blind happiness, blind fury, blind love. To fear death is to be worried to be caught during these emotions, these good emotions, when our hearts pound, our spirits soar, and our taste becomes bitter from the adrenaline. And if we are afraid to be caught in these emotions, thus we are afraid to have these emotions. And then, without any of these emotions ever, are we even human...

...are we ever really alive?

i am afraid of death, i'm afraid of what happens afterward, and afraid of not being able to experience things, mostly, afraid of being forgotten and not leaving an imprint--as though it were pointless for me to have been alive because nothing matters

i am afraid of death, i'm afraid of what happens afterward, and afraid of not being able to experience things, mostly, afraid of being forgotten and not leaving an imprint--as though it were pointless for me to have been alive because nothing matters
But to be alive IS to matter. You have affected others, whose lives determine the shape of the world even if you do not directly. Less than one in a billion potential peole have the chance to exist. When you have that chance, it is not possible for you to waste it, regardless of how you feel.

No because there is nothing to fear. Death is just the end of all pain, all suffering and all fear. Who would fear that? What most people fear is the pain that comes with death.

Yes I am afraid of death.

sorry if this has been mentioned before but no i'm not afraid of death...
why be scared of the un-avoidable?

I'm not afraid of the process of death, particularly, except in cases where there will be extreme pain over a long-ish period of time (stabbed in the gut, nonfatal car accident, cancer..).

What frightens me is the finality of it. If it is really the end or not. I love living so much that I don't want to stop living, stop existing. That possibility frightens me to some degree. But I know there's nothing I could or would do to stop it, either.

If, by the time i'm an old bastard, there are organ replants and transplants available to keep people alive for a practical eternity, I would not get one unless it was a nonvital organ like a kidney or some such. It just seems wrong to live forever in one body.

Not terribly.
If I were an atheist, though, it might be a different story.

Wouldn't be. I'm an atheist, I'm not afraid of death. Why be afraid of nothing? There's nothing wrong with it. That's a bit like saying that one should be afraid of completely dreamless sleeps, you know, the ones in which you literally shut your eyes and wake up the next morning.

In my opinion, it would be the other way round. You can have too much of a good thing, and frankly, I'd get bored of eternal happiness after a while.

Anyway, death gets you over life's problems. You don't need to worry about becoming bankrupt, you don't have to be sad, you don't have to deal with the problems of old age, and as for happy things that might come, you're not going to be able to reflect upon them, are you?

As long as I don't die slowly and painfully, I'm OK with it.

Could someone stop stealing my thoughts?!!!

Afraid of Death NO!
Afraid of Dieing YES!

Heres 2 words about death.... BRING IT

I don't want to die, because there are so many things I want to see & do, but I'm not afraid of death. Death is a part of living, if we don't have death, we don't have life.

Wouldn't be. I'm an atheist, I'm not afraid of death. Why be afraid of nothing? There's nothing wrong with it. That's a bit like saying that one should be afraid of completely dreamless sleeps, you know, the ones in which you literally shut your eyes and wake up the next morning.

In my opinion, it would be the other way round. You can have too much of a good thing, and frankly, I'd get bored of eternal happiness after a while.

Anyway, death gets you over life's problems. You don't need to worry about becoming bankrupt, you don't have to be sad, you don't have to deal with the problems of old age, and as for happy things that might come, you're not going to be able to reflect upon them, are you?

As long as I don't die slowly and painfully, I'm OK with it.

I don't want nothingness... I want to continue my consciousness after death... That's the big issue for me... Some people LIVE with constant severe pain, so with a painful death, it has an end and you know it. That wouldn't bother me too too much. I just don't want to lose my conscious self...