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So Harper and the Tories say they'll vote against the additions to the budget that Martin's Liberal's tacked on at the last minute. This may force an election. If so, who would you vote for and why?

I'd vote Tory, simply because I want a Tory minority government.

So it looks like we'll have the first ever Tory/NDP split. That should be stable.

I would definately vote NDP. If there is another minority government, I would want them to be able to shift the balance of power, unlike now, when they are tragically short a couple seats.

I just really want to see a non-Liberal prime minister. They must be the most complacent govt. in the western world. Look at sponsorship for example.

I want greens. They so far have never had a scandle or been corrupt.

I want greens. They so far have never had a scandle or been corrupt.

Yes. Also in that category is the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada. I think politics breeds corruption, and it's good to have alternating parties.

Personally, I pretty hate all of these chumps. Harper=crazed ultra right winger from Alberta(Alberta should build a firewall right stephen?). Martin=biggest flip flopper in a long time. Also, Martin is poor in negotiating with provinces, giving up far too much. Layton=when I hear him talk it's ok, but by the end, he gets goddamn annoying, and I'm not sure why. These are the only three guys that I can vote for out here in Saskatchewan. That being said, if I could vote for anyone, I'd pick Duceppe after seeing last year's english debate, I thought, damn, that Duceppe awesome. If he didn't want to leave, I'd run as a Bloc Quebecois member out here in Saskatchewan. How many votes I'd get is beyond me, but still, I really like Duceppe and none of the other bums.

I just really want to see a non-Liberal prime minister. They must be the most complacent govt. in the western world. Look at sponsorship for example.
I sympathise, but I simply cannot see myself voting for Harper and some of the more crackpot members of the All..sorry, Conservative party. Despite the Liberal's complacency and shorcommings, the truth is that they are a thouroughly competent government, and fall right into the Canadian mainstream. The minority gov'nmt has shaken the liberal complacency though, and its making for more careful desicions.

Plus, Kyoto is a #1 priority. Why are the Conservatives in denial???

So Harper and the Tories say they'll vote against the additions to the budget that Martin's Liberal's tacked on at the last minute. This may force an election. If so, who would you vote for and why?

I'd vote Tory, simply because I want a Tory minority government.
No!

Can't they hold off until the summer? I could use some full time hours at elections canada like for the last election. That is the sweetest job ever. (If you want to work for them just give them a call shortly after an election is announced and they'll direct you to the proper training sessions and all that, I got $12 an hour for doing fuck all last summer)

At any rate, I'll vote the same way I did last time most likely: NDP.

Duceppe was awesome in the English language debate. It's just too bad he's a seperatist.

I miss the old Joe Clark Tories. Right now the party has too many Reform extremists in it. Still, I think Harper is trying to move it towards he political centre, as seen at the recent policy convention, because he knows it's his only hope of getting elected.

No!

Can't they hold off until the summer? I could use some full time hours at elections canada like for the last election. That is the sweetest job ever. (If you want to work for them just give them a call shortly after an election is announced and they'll direct you to the proper training sessions and all that, I got $12 an hour for doing fuck all last summer)

At any rate, I'll vote the same way I did last time most likely: NDP.
REALLY!? That's freaking awesome! *prays that they wait until exams are over*

REALLY!? That's freaking awesome! *prays that they wait until exams are over*
My thoughts exactly.

Plus they basically let me schedule myself to work whenever I wanted, I got paid lunch breaks and made backgrounds for the computers for half the office. (The computer only had intranet so I had to amuse myself with Paint) Hell, the office manager got paid more than me and did so much less.

I would vote for martin. For he is a smart man and most of his polical view are akin to mine. And with Martin we know he is not in it for the money or the power because he the money he gets from being PM is nothing compared to what he made as prez. of his shipping lines witch he gave to his sons in order to become PM (becuase of confilts of interest issuses). This man truely and unquestionbly cares about Canada and her peoples. And as for the sonpership scandel, compared to the overall cash flow he was dealing with as Finance Minister, the money going into it was rather puny, and the details of witch was probly assigned to one of his underlings.

The Right Honorable Priem Minister Paul Martin is a very succesful business man and will be able to lead are nation in the right dicection to get out of are debt.

My thoughts exactly.

Plus they basically let me schedule myself to work whenever I wanted, I got paid lunch breaks and made backgrounds for the computers for half the office. (The computer only had intranet so I had to amuse myself with Paint) Hell, the office manager got paid more than me and did so much less.
*thinks*....so THIS is what all our taxes are going to. Instills such confidence and trust in our public institutions that are running year-round. (Of course, If they hire me I'm not complainin')

WOW, who would have thought 19 year old internet users would be for the NDPs and say crap like the "liberals are a great government"

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I would vote for martin. For he is a smart man and most of his polical view are akin to mine. And with Martin we know he is not in it for the money or the power because he the money he gets from being PM is nothing compared to what he made as prez. of his shipping lines witch he gave to his sons in order to become PM (becuase of confilts of interest issuses). This man truely and unquestionbly cares about Canada and her peoples. And as for the sonpership scandel, compared to the overall cash flow he was dealing with as Finance Minister, the money going into it was rather puny, and the details of witch was probly assigned to one of his underlings.

The Right Honorable Priem Minister Paul Martin is a very succesful business man and will be able to lead are nation in the right dicection to get out of are debt.

"witch" would you rather have the corrupt liberals or ANY other party that is not rotten to the core?

WOW, who would have thought 19 year old internet users would be for the NDPs and say crap like the "liberals are a great government"
Up untill now... you could not vote for both the NDP or the Liberals.

has that changed?

"witch" would you rather have the corrupt liberals or ANY other party that is not rotten to the core?
If I could vote in those election...I would not vote for the Cons or the Liberals...they are rotten.

WOW, who would have thought 19 year old internet users would be for the NDPs and say crap like the "liberals are a great government"

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And who would have thought that an Albertan would support a conservative..


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And who would have thought that an Albertan would support a conservative..


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Actually i did vote liberals before i learned of all the corruption. Now that the C's are a little more centralist, no excuse not to vote for them. Of course we could vote NDP, they have done such a great job in all provinces that they have been voted into, why wouldnt you vote for them?

If I could vote in those election...I would not vote for the Cons or the Liberals...they are rotten.


The cons are rotten as per what example? :rolleyes:

We know that a NDP at provincal level has been caught drunk driving and another is a thief.

Actually i did vote liberals before i learned of all the corruption. Now that the C's are a little more centralist, no excuse not to vote for them. Of course we could vote NDP, they have done such a great job in all provinces that they have been voted into, why wouldnt you vote for them?
Those are different parties.

The cons are rotten as per what example? :rolleyes:

We know that a NDP at provincal level has been caught drunk driving and another is a thief.
That was a LIBERAL. Thanks for paying attention to the west coast.

That was a LIBERAL. Thanks for paying attention to the west coast.
Zing!

The provincial parties don't have much to do with the federal ones anyhow. The BC Liberals resemble the federal conservatives far more than the federal liberals

Ya. BC Libs are more right than the Fed. Liberals. Same with the NDP - more R than thier fed counterparts.

Back on topic, SHarper freaks me out. He looks... creepy.

I would vote for martin. For he is a smart man and most of his polical view are akin to mine. And with Martin we know he is not in it for the money or the power because he the money he gets from being PM is nothing compared to what he made as prez. of his shipping lines witch he gave to his sons in order to become PM (becuase of confilts of interest issuses). This man truely and unquestionbly cares about Canada and her peoples. And as for the sonpership scandel, compared to the overall cash flow he was dealing with as Finance Minister, the money going into it was rather puny, and the details of witch was probly assigned to one of his underlings.

The Right Honorable Priem Minister Paul Martin is a very succesful business man and will be able to lead are nation in the right dicection to get out of are debt.

Sure Martin is smart. But he isn't decisive. He wanted missile defense, but he hemmed and hawed about it, allowing public opinion to mobilize and force him to reject it. If Manley ever got chosen as leader, than I'd support the Liberals, and that'll only happen if Martin doesn't get a mjority next election.

The cons are rotten as per what example? .

as in my good friend Brian.

Manley is in this for the long haul. He will be around when Martin retires, and will have his chance at the top job, count on it.

SHarper freaks me out. He looks... creepy.
Harper looks like a robot or a zombie..

Manley is in this for the long haul. He will be around when Martin retires, and will have his chance at the top job, count on it.

I agree, but I hope that comes sooner rather than later. I can't think of any other serious leadership contenders in the Liberal party- Cauchon isn't popular (or well known enough), and Joe Volpe always struck me as an idiot. Maybe Brian Tobin, if he learned French.

Harper looks like a robot or a zombie..
To me he's an ass who tries to get religious institutions involved in governmental affairs (with regards to same sex marriage) and bad mouths Canada on fox news.

I know this will make me look like a stupid and lazy American (which I sort of am sometimes), but what does NDP stand for? And if I were Canadian I would vote for either the Liberals or the Greens. My cousins live in Ottawa so at least I have a source in Canada about politics.

Shake up the status quo and vote green. Over 600,000 canadians did the last election. Christ, I'm sick of the Axis of Incompetence. Liberals, Conservatives and the NDP seem to think the voters are beholden to them. Bring some new ideas to the table guys.

I know this will make me look like a stupid and lazy American (which I sort of am sometimes), but what does NDP stand for? And if I were Canadian I would vote for either the Liberals or the Greens. My cousins live in Ottawa so at least I have a source in Canada about politics.
The New Democratic Party- they are the left-wing socialist-ish mainstream party in Canada.

I know this will make me look like a stupid and lazy American (which I sort of am sometimes), but what does NDP stand for? And if I were Canadian I would vote for either the Liberals or the Greens. My cousins live in Ottawa so at least I have a source in Canada about politics.

NDP- New Democratic Party- sort of the radical left cousins of the Liberals. This will make me unpopular, but as much as I like their ideals, I live in BC, and the NDP have yet to show me they can do anything other than tax-and-spend.
These are the same guys who wanted to declare war on transfats.

I know this will make me look like a stupid and lazy American (which I sort of am sometimes), but what does NDP stand for? And if I were Canadian I would vote for either the Liberals or the Greens. My cousins live in Ottawa so at least I have a source in Canada about politics.
New Democratic Party.

(I'm pretty sure on that)

Shake up the status quo and vote green. Over 600,000 canadians did the last election. Christ, I'm sick of the Axis of Incompetence. Liberals, Conservatives and the NDP seem to think the voters are beholden to them. Bring some new ideas to the table guys.

Sorry, but I might as well spoil my ballot as vote green. Their support is too low, because it isn't concentrated enough to land an MP (while, maybe one in BC, someday)

NDP- New Democratic Party- sort of the radical left cousins of the Liberals. This will make me unpopular, but as much as I like their ideals, I live in BC, and the NDP have yet to show me they can do anything other than tax-and-spend.
These are the same guys who wanted to declare war on transfats.
They're the guys who want to eliminate GST on feminine hygene products. Which I think is a damn good idea. I have to buy this shit every month unless I want to get my uterus cut out or bleed everywhere. I shouldn't have to pay sales tax on it. Fuck that.

Sorry, but I might as well spoil my ballot as vote green. Their support is too low, because it isn't concentrated enough to land an MP (while, maybe one in BC, someday)
but with the new funding laws, at least every vote gets them however much for the next election, thus allowing them to campaign a little more.

I know this will make me look like a stupid and lazy American (which I sort of am sometimes), but what does NDP stand for? And if I were Canadian I would vote for either the Liberals or the Greens. My cousins live in Ottawa so at least I have a source in Canada about politics.
translation Canadian to American Political Language

the NDP are the "Liberals".

the Liberals are the "Democrats"

but with the new funding laws, at least every vote gets them however much for the next election, thus allowing them to campaign a little more.

I suppose. Where I live, though, I guess it doesn't matter how I vote, because Jay Hill is going to be our MP untill he keels over and dies. Doesn't the green party have a more right-wing economic platform? And does anyone know who their leader is these days?

Personally, I pretty hate all of these chumps. Harper=crazed ultra right winger from Alberta(Alberta should build a firewall right stephen?). Martin=biggest flip flopper in a long time. Also, Martin is poor in negotiating with provinces, giving up far too much. Layton=when I hear him talk it's ok, but by the end, he gets goddamn annoying, and I'm not sure why. These are the only three guys that I can vote for out here in Saskatchewan. That being said, if I could vote for anyone, I'd pick Duceppe after seeing last year's english debate, I thought, damn, that Duceppe awesome. If he didn't want to leave, I'd run as a Bloc Quebecois member out here in Saskatchewan. How many votes I'd get is beyond me, but still, I really like Duceppe and none of the other bums.

I hate to admit it, mostly because I live in Quebec, but I agree with SS. I am not a separatist, but he was the only one that didn't make me shudder.

I suppose. Where I live, though, I guess it doesn't matter how I vote, because Jay Hill is going to be our MP untill he keels over and dies. Doesn't the green party have a more right-wing economic platform? And does anyone know who their leader is these days?
I wasnt' even aware that the green party had an economic platform...

I thought they were kind of like the marijuana party in the respect of only having one goal....

I wasnt' even aware that the green party had an economic platform...

I thought they were kind of like the marijuana party in the respect of only having one goal....

No, I'm pretty sure they do, and that they're leader is actually a former conservative MP- Jim Harris, maybe? Something like that- but I don't know any of the details.

No, I'm pretty sure they do, and that they're leader is actually a former conservative MP- Jim Harris, maybe? Something like that- but I don't know any of the details.
I think the leader was running in the same riding as Jack Layton in the last election...
I only know that because everyone was saying how he really stood no chance due to that.

They need to fix up the way people win seats though...

Jim Harris (I think) is the head of the Greens, and I would definatly vote for them. It's not a waste of ballet, it makes a statement, and if everyone shys away form the greens due to thier lack of power, than they'll never grow. Socially left wing, fiscally right wing, I don't think you can do much better than that.

I hate to admit it, mostly because I live in Quebec, but I agree with SS. I am not a separatist, but he was the only one that didn't make me shudder.
I have to agree that Gilles Duceppe is an amazing politician, he was the ONLY amazing politician I saw in the last election. Martin is so utterly uncompelling and indecisive. Harper is a right-wing nut who is so out of touch with voters it's sad, and Layton came across as such an asshole in the debates. If only Duceppe wasn't a seperatist...

Jim Harris (I think) is the head of the Greens, and I would definatly vote for them. It's not a waste of ballet, it makes a statement, and if everyone shys away form the greens due to thier lack of power, than they'll never grow. Socially left wing, fiscally right wing, I don't think you can do much better than that.

I think the Green party just gets the fringe vote because of its name. Not a lot of people really know what they stand for, I don't think. (Actually, not a lot of people know what Martin stands for either, but that's a seperate point)

I have to agree that Gilles Duceppe is an amazing politician, he was the ONLY amazing politician I saw in the last election. Martin is so utterly uncompelling and indecisive. Harper is a right-wing nut who is so out of touch with voters it's sad, and Layton came across as such an asshole in the debates. If only Duceppe wasn't a seperatist...

Agreed. Still, I miss Joe Clark. He was pretty good (actually, he made everyone else look bad) at debating back in the Chretien days. I think Chretien even called him the leader of the opposition a few times (porbably just to irritate Stockwell)

That was a LIBERAL. Thanks for paying attention to the west coast.

umm i thought the drunk was liberal and the thief was ndp...

umm i thought the drunk was liberal and the thief was ndp...

That's correct. Welcome to BC, where are premiers are either crazy or Mike Harcourt!

They're the guys who want to eliminate GST on feminine hygene products. Which I think is a damn good idea. I have to buy this shit every month unless I want to get my uterus cut out or bleed everywhere. I shouldn't have to pay sales tax on it. Fuck that.

ooookkkk.

1) Unfunny joke
2) if you arent joking. :rolleyes:

translation Canadian to American Political Language

the NDP are the "Liberals".

the Liberals are the "Democrats"


umm no not even close

NDP = nader
liberals = left leaning democrats
conservatives = right learning democrats, left leaning republicans

Shake up the status quo and vote green. Over 600,000 canadians did the last election. Christ, I'm sick of the Axis of Incompetence. Liberals, Conservatives and the NDP seem to think the voters are beholden to them. Bring some new ideas to the table guys.

I hope the greens get a few votes in BC and alberta, seems to be the only places they have a chance in.

The are not fringe anymore you know, they did get 5% + of the vote last time which = official funding.

I hope the greens get a few votes in BC and alberta, seems to be the only places they have a chance in.

The are not fringe anymore you know, they did get 5% + of the vote last time which = official funding.

Oh I don't know I still view the NDP as almost being a fringe party, by which I mean they stand no chance of forming a government.

I voted NDP, because the liberals need their guidance on enviromental and social issues. For everyone who voted Green they are Canada's second right wing party, primarily because they advocate fiscal conservatism.

Oh I don't know I still view the NDP as almost being a fringe party, by which I mean they stand no chance of forming a government.


I agree, however if we replace the NDP with the greens, we get a party with a valid platform of environmentalism instead of the old NDP bs.

The greesn BTW are more right wing than the NDP by a fair margin. ;)

the NDP have never and will never form a government. Layton is just too much of a buffoon.
The only party that actually has a chance with the whole sponsorship scandal and such is the tories, because most of their faults are long forgotten.
As for Paul Martin, I just don't trust him. He seems to be loyal to himself and not Canada on the whole. A real pig, that one.

I worry about the future of my country.

the NDP have never and will never form a government. Layton is just too much of a buffoon.
The only party that actually has a chance with the whole sponsorship scandal and such is the tories, because most of their faults are long forgotten.
As for Paul Martin, I just don't trust him. He seems to be loyal to himself and not Canada on the whole. A real pig, that one.

I worry about the future of my country.

Enter . . . John Manley! I wish he were a Conservative leader- then I'd definitely vote Tory. Right now though, I think they're a safe bet, because not enough people will vote for them for them to get a majority- and I think a tory minority government would be left leaning enough for me.

On a previous thread large number would like to have either Peter MacKay or Belinda Stronach (who I prefer) as Prime Minister. It might be tough for me to vote for MacKay, because of the way he backstabbed David Orchard, concerning the merging of the PC and the Alliance. I would have either MacKay or Stronach as my prime minister.

On a previous thread large number would like to have either Peter MacKay or Belinda Stronach (who I prefer) as Prime Minister. It might be tough for me to vote for MacKay, because of the way he backstabbed David Orchard, concerning the merging of the PC and the Alliance. I would have either MacKay or Stronach as my prime minister.

I like Mackay, but I think he needs a little time to consolidate his support before running for leadership. As for Stronach, she reminds me eerily of Kim Campbell- initially popular, but her defects will show through in not too long a time. I hope I'm wrong about her, because I liked the majority of her platform.

ooookkkk.

1) Unfunny joke
2) if you arent joking. :rolleyes:
No, they actually had gettign rid of GST on feminine hygene products as part one of their ideas for the last election. I wholly support such an idea.

I like Mackay, but I think he needs a little time to consolidate his support before running for leadership. As for Stronach, she reminds me eerily of Kim Campbell- initially popular, but her defects will show through in not too long a time. I hope I'm wrong about her, because I liked the majority of her platform.

I thought what did her in, was the smear campaign that her party directed at Jean Chretien, concerning his mouth disfigurement.
(I apologize for not knowing the exact name of the malady)

The NDP need control. They need a small majority, with the Bloc as Her Majesty's Official Opposition. Then second to them the Liberals followed by a small rabble of Harper's neo-cons.

I thought what did her in, was the smear campaign that her party directed at Jean Chretien, concerning his mouth disfigurement.
(I apologize for not knowing the exact name of the malady)

Yes- Campbell thought that was an effective campaign strategy. Stronach, in her bid for the Tory leadership, also looked like she needed a bit more experience to get the polish needed for a PM candidate. For instance, her stand on marijuana alienated all of the Alliance members coming over, though it may have helped her in the longterm, it wrecked her shot at leadership that time around.
I wouldn't worry, though. Harper won't be around forever, and then the time will come for a more moderate Tory leader.

I really don't like the Fiberals, but I find they are the only suitable choice. Harper is too extremist to be reliable. I think if he took a more moderate approach, the Conservatives would have won the last election. Layton has some good points, but the NDP is a wasted vote. The Bloc is only in Quebec. The Green have some good environment points, but their platform is flawd and they have no strategy on many key issues like foreign policy.

Harper is a right-wing hard-liner trying to dress like a moderate. Layton is a tax-and-spend lefty. Martin needs to conduct three polls before deciding whether or not to blow his nose. Gilles duceppe hates Canada.
Ahhhh, the choices.

The Conservatives are starting to act - (i think purposely trying to mimic) the republicans in the US - talking about family values all the time - very much against recognizing that gay people actually exist - and pretending theres a christian right in canada - i think it should - and will cost them votes in the next election - further more in canada i think its a one party system right now... Conservatives (or any kinda name or teaming up with another party they do) ... seldom reflect canadian values - and often dont have enough good people to run in every riding - NDP simple dont have enough intelligent people to run or form a government even if they did get in - Liberals are the only party with enough people and its hard to argue that they've done a bad job - sponsorship scandal pisses everyone off - and maybe thats why the Liberals only won a minority government last election - i voted conservative party because of that and party because my member "Gar knutson" was a tool - and the Liberals lost that seat to the conservatives - the new Gun legislation is incredably wasteful too - but half the people that cried out over the sponsorship scandal where infavor of the gun registry - which is a bigger waste - and - basically i think gay rights and laws concerning marriage are more important to me - so if the conservatives vote no confidence - the Liberals will win back a majority - which i would consider a good thing

side note - i disagree that martin himmed and hawwed or anything like that on the missle defence program - i think it was his way of being diplomatic and not giving bush a big public NO! - i think its always been crystal clear you will never get canada to spend money on something like that - agreeing to use NORAD resources for it (which we pay for) is the closest you could argue

- things are good here - i dont understand how you can be "worried for our future"

Yes- Campbell thought that was an effective campaign strategy. Stronach, in her bid for the Tory leadership, also looked like she needed a bit more experience to get the polish needed for a PM candidate. For instance, her stand on marijuana alienated all of the Alliance members coming over, though it may have helped her in the longterm, it wrecked her shot at leadership that time around.
I wouldn't worry, though. Harper won't be around forever, and then the time will come for a more moderate Tory leader.

That's why I like her, more moderate views and fiscal conservatism.

It isn't about the Liberals doing a bad job- but they could do a much, much better won if they weren't so complacent and arrogant. As for gay marriage, it doesn't matter what they do, because marriage is a provincial jurisdiction.
The Liberals have blown money on sponsorship, the gun registry, and God knows whatelse. They need to get kicked out of power, so that they come back efficient, trim and energized.
The only party with a chance of doing that is the Conservatives, and in a minority situation they would need to lean left, to get the support of one of the Liberals, NDP or Bloc, all of whom are more left-wing than they are.
And there is a "Christian right" in Canada. It's called Alberta.

I thought what did her in, was the smear campaign that her party directed at Jean Chretien, concerning his mouth disfigurement.
(I apologize for not knowing the exact name of the malady)
I think what did her in was being Brain's sucessor.

I think what did her in was being Brain's sucessor.

Yeah, but she still could have won more than two seats. Jean Charest and Elsie Wayne. I mean, that was pathetic.

Agreed. Still, I miss Joe Clark. He was pretty good (actually, he made everyone else look bad) at debating back in the Chretien days. I think Chretien even called him the leader of the opposition a few times (porbably just to irritate Stockwell)

I liked Joe too, he was always the best to watch in debates. He never got sneery and always hit the issue. Good for Chretien to irritate Stockwell, that man was an ass.

Yeah, but she still could have won more than two seats. Jean Charest and Elsie Wayne. I mean, that was pathetic.
Than what do you think was her downfall?

I liked Joe too, he was always the best to watch in debates. He never got sneery and always hit the issue. Good for Chretien to irritate Stockwell, that man was an ass.

Remember when he showed up for a press conference on a jetski, in a wetsuit? What a clown.

Than what do you think was her downfall?

1) Being Mulroney's successor.
2) Negative campaign adds attacking Chretien's paralysis
3) The whole ditzy blonde act*

*her whole campaign message seemed to be "vote for me cuz I'm cute" She never much talked about the issues.

Remember when he showed up for a press conference on a jetski, in a wetsuit? What a clown.

The funniest thing that I saw, during the debates, he made a hand made sign that said no two tier health system, he held it up to the camera while he was being criticized.

The funniest thing that I saw, during the debates, he made a hand made sign that said no two tier health system, he held it up to the camera while he was being criticized.

Oh, yeah- and because props weren't allowed he said it was his notes.

Oh, yeah- and because props weren't allowed he said it was his notes.

It was so amature...lol.

Here's a question- if the leaders of the individual parties were all to step down at once, who do you think would replace them? Who do you like the most?
Liberal- John Manley
Conservative- Peter Mackay
NDP- No idea.
Bloc- again, no idea.

I'm just a little bit of a John Manley fan, if nobody picked up on that yet.

Here's a question- if the leaders of the individual parties were all to step down at once, who do you think would replace them? Who do you like the most?
Liberal- John Manley
Conservative- Peter Mackay
NDP- No idea.
Bloc- again, no idea.

I'm just a little bit of a John Manley fan, if nobody picked up on that yet.

For the NDP i'd say Bill Blaikie, mostly because he has the longest tenure as an MP over any other sitting MP. I believie

Here's a question- if the leaders of the individual parties were all to step down at once, who do you think would replace them? Who do you like the most?
Liberal- John Manley
Conservative- Peter Mackay
NDP- No idea.
Bloc- again, no idea.

I'm just a little bit of a John Manley fan, if nobody picked up on that yet.

Manley I use to like but, now i'm not so sure.

If I were doing a list it'd be like this

Liberal-Cauchon
Consevative-Stronach
NDP-Lorne Nystrom
Bloc-I don't really support these guys as, they want to leave but, I'd say Duceppe still.

Ah Stockwell Day, the man that believes dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I loved it when protesters would show up at his rallies with Barney dolls. However, he made the campaign interesting. Yet,until that element is exocercised from the conservatives they will never form a government. As a person who will vote green, I still would like to have an effective opposition. The conservative/reform crew have not provided it in the last two governments.

Im not old enough to vote right now, although I will be after the summer.

If I could vote, I would have to go for the liberal party. They are just right it seems. The Conservatives are to extremeist when it comes to some of the issues, like missile defence, gay marriage, abortion, etc. The NDP would be great, but I don't like their policies on military spending, and they dont have nearly enough support to actually run the government. The liberals however, do alot of things that the NDP does, and they also have good military spending. Basically they are the best from both worlds.

I would definately vote NDP. If there is another minority government, I would want them to be able to shift the balance of power, unlike now, when they are tragically short a couple seats.

Why would you vote for the new deficit party? The mess they left in BC and Ontario is bad enough (they doubled the debt in Ontario in five years). Plus Jack Layton sounded like a used car salesman during the last election debate. Hate to see him and Bush in a debate, I think even toddlers could state their points with more knowledge.

With shifting the balance of power, what do you want it shifted too? I believe 100% that changes are needed but voted for something worse than the current situation is not the answer (any party that is out a couple of billion in relation to their numbers adding up should not be in government - and before you rip me, I do not support the Liberals either).

:)

PS: ...and I support medicare :)

The liberals however, do alot of things that the NDP does, and they also have good military spending. Basically they are the best from both worlds.

The Liberals 'have good military spending'? :) They wasted $4 billion on submarines from the Brits that do not work :headbang: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3738280.stm) not to mention still keeping our Seaking helicopters around :headbang: (hey they might be effective in wartime if they ever crashed on the enemy, :gundge: besides that, they belong in a museum).

Needless to say I am not a fan of the Liberals (or the Tories for that matter) though you are correct in your assessment that we live in a 'dictatorship' that makes it so that we truly only have a choice between two crummy parties that no one wants. :gundge:


PS: Oh wait and how could I forget about our lovely Iltis jeep, though thankfully they have replaced those.

Ah Stockwell Day, the man that believes dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time. I loved it when protesters would show up at his rallies with Barney dolls. However, he made the campaign interesting. Yet,until that element is exocercised from the conservatives they will never form a government. As a person who will vote green, I still would like to have an effective opposition. The conservative/reform crew have not provided it in the last two governments.


I think you especially will enjoy the following cartoon based on what you have just said...

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/politicalcartoons/PCcartoons/deadder.asp

use the drop down browser to choose the cartoon from 2003-December-08. Enjoy. :)

Here's a question- if the leaders of the individual parties were all to step down at once, who do you think would replace them? Who do you like the most?
Liberal- John Manley
Conservative- Peter Mackay
NDP- No idea.
Bloc- again, no idea.

I'm just a little bit of a John Manley fan, if nobody picked up on that yet.

Liberals-Anne McLellan (she says a lot, is sorta in the middle so that both Chretien Liberals and Martin Liberals will like her, and most importantly does nothing and gets away with it making her the perfect choice)
Conservatives-Hugh Segal, Stronach, or the tall guy (6 foot 7) from Manitoba (forget his name)
NDP-Broadbent
Bloc-No clue
Green-ME

Of all the ones listed I do not like any of them cept me, though I cannot see myself joining the green party

If you're enjoying any of the benefits of social services, thank an NDP. If not for them, we'd be more American.

Tommy Douglas, a man voted Best Canadian, was an early socialist/NDP.

Because of him we have many social benefits, including universal health.

It's time we invested ourselves again and vote NDP.

If you're enjoying any of the benefits of social services, thank an NDP. If not for them, we'd be more American.

Tommy Douglas, a man voted Best Canadian, was an early socialist/NDP.

Because of him we have many social benefits, including universal health.

It's time we invested ourselves again and vote NDP.

And worker's injury compensation......

And worker's injury compensation......
Exactly. People insult the NDP, but, if not for their socialist policies, we wouldn't have the benefits we do.

Why would you vote for the new deficit party? The mess they left in BC and Ontario is bad enough (they doubled the debt in Ontario in five years). Plus Jack Layton sounded like a used car salesman during the last election debate. Hate to see him and Bush in a debate, I think even toddlers could state their points with more knowledge.

With shifting the balance of power, what do you want it shifted too? I believe 100% that changes are needed but voted for something worse than the current situation is not the answer (any party that is out a couple of billion in relation to their numbers adding up should not be in government - and before you rip me, I do not support the Liberals either).

Fan of Jack that I am, I'll agree with you that he could work on his debating style a bit. I've seen at other forums and venues and he wasn't like that at all. I'll put it down to nerves. Speaking of bad performances, Martin was acting half drunk and lost and Harper was kinda creepy.

Seriously though, you can't take the NDP to task about deficit spending. I mean, you'd have to condemn every political party in the nation since provinces were run by each party at the time, deficit spending was endemic in the Mulrooney, Reagan and Thatcher gov'ts. Rae inheritted a $4G deficit from Peterson(Lib), and after Rae, Harris(PC) TRIPLED the deficit.

I hope you don't think I'm a patronizing American, but I want to move to Canada. I love how the politics are so...civilized. I think the reason why your military is crap is that you can't attack people like Americans can.

I would vote for the Liberal party, because the Conservative party is far too right-wing now. They need a less radical approach to issues that won't alienate so many people. The NDP isn't a bad choice either, but considering I need to vote to keep the Conservatives out of power....

I would vote for the Liberal party, because the Conservative party is far too right-wing now. They need a less radical approach to issues that won't alienate so many people. The NDP isn't a bad choice either, but considering I need to vote to keep the Conservatives out of power....

Good news then, it's been pretty well established that at least two Tory MP's have their seats in parliament due to a panicked run to the Liberals by NDP voters in the last election. Can't remember the other but I know for sure that one Tory who benefitted was that guy from Winnipeg, the quadraplegic guy. Don't mean to be offensive when I refer to his disability to identify him, I've forgetten his name and don't mean to imply anything about his ability to carry out his functions as a representative of his constituency.

If you're enjoying any of the benefits of social services, thank an NDP. If not for them, we'd be more American.

Tommy Douglas, a man voted Best Canadian, was an early socialist/NDP.

Because of him we have many social benefits, including universal health.

It's time we invested ourselves again and vote NDP.

Funny you should bring him up and suggest that he is in fact, the father of medicare. While the idea may have been his(and I disagree with that) the actually workings of our modern medicare system which started in Saskatchewan didn't happen until after Tommy left for the federal NDP. Instead, a man named Woodrow Stanely Lloyd oversaw the application of medicare here in Saskatchewan. So, after bringing in medicare, what did the people of Saskatchewan do in the next election? They gave him the boot and voted in Thatcher the Liberal.

My point is essentially, that Douglas had little to do with the workings of medicare both in Saskatchewan and federally. He never paid the price that Lloyd did so, his record was never stained by any defeat provincially. Instead, give props to Lloyd for paying the political price of bringing in Medicare.

Jack gets my vote because he's willing to talk about Senate reform, and about porportional representation, two issues that could appease both the disenfranchised Western provinces, as well as give more of a political voice to such traditionally disenfranchised groups like the Greens, who have had no Federal voice 'til this point.

What amazed me was that Mr. Layton came to the same conclusion I did - rather than abolish the Senate, re-organize it along roughly these lines:

Establish it as a porportional elected body. However many seats there are in total in the Lower House is irrelevant; Give the Senate one hundred seats. Political parties winning just 1% of the popular vote can hold a seat in the Senate, even if none of their candidates win their constituencies.

So, the Senators would still be appointed positions from within their respective parties, but the makeup of the Senate would bear a strong similarity to the reality of the world outside, completely different from this 'House of Lords' deal we've been stuck with all this time.

Established parties wouldn't mind it, either - as they can continue to use it as a sort of 'golden handshake' for their cronies as it's always been used. Whatever it takes to get better representation for everybody, lefties, neo-tories and Greens alike, can't be a bad thing.

Although I know Ed Broadbent has some much more radical ideas for what should be done with the Senate...something about trampolines, if I'm not mistaken...!

I hope you don't think I'm a patronizing American, but I want to move to Canada. I love how the politics are so...civilized. I think the reason why your military is crap is that you can't attack people like Americans can.
It is not at all patronizing. It's nice to know that people think our political process is actually civil. And our military is crap because the Liberals didn't want to follow the agenda of the government before them.

It is not at all patronizing. It's nice to know that people think our political process is actually civil. And our military is crap because the Liberals didn't want to follow the agenda of the government before them.

Although it's sad that our military is underfunded, I think we can all be thankful that they didn't follow Mulroney's agenda.

All I can say is that I am grateful I live in the US and only have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils. I cannot justify supporting the liberals and Martin is just far too smarmy for my taste anyway, but Harper and Layton are both asswipes adn I couldn't justify voting for either of them adn far too many in the consrvative party scare me. I could possibly hold my nose and vote for the BQ, but that would only be because I know they are not going to be strong enough to be anything but deal makers/breakers. When it comes down to it, I couldn't base a vote solely on party alligence, I'd have to vote based on the actual canidate and look for the least offensive one regardless of their party, and pray they had some effect on moderating the worst excesses of thier party.

All I can say is that I am grateful I live in the US and only have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils.
How is it better to vote for the lesser of two evils than the lesser of five evils?

I wouldn't say better, just easier, very much easier.

... I couldn't base a vote solely on party alligence, I'd have to vote based on the actual canidate ...If you are looking just at the Candidate, Duccepe wins by a mile.

If you are looking just at the Candidate, Duccepe wins by a mile.
Ah, but unless I lived in Montreal I wouldn't be voting for Duceppe. I was speaking of the actual MP canidate I would be voting for, not the PM canidate which the party my choice happened to belong to was presenting. I know it is contrary to the way Canadians are taught to make thier choices, but since I have problems with all of the parties I would have to look for the MP who best represented my positions and pray that they could influence their party enough to suit me. The parties are not monolithic stagnant entities which are wedded to supporting a set piece of positions on and on until time ends, they are instead collections of factions united but still competing with each other to set the party agenda and change it.

If you're enjoying any of the benefits of social services, thank an NDP. If not for them, we'd be more American.

Tommy Douglas, a man voted Best Canadian, was an early socialist/NDP.

Because of him we have many social benefits, including universal health.

It's time we invested ourselves again and vote NDP.


How that guy outvoted Terry Fox is beyond me :rolleyes:

WOW medicare! No other countries have anything similar, hes the greatest canuck :rolleyes:

How that guy outvoted Terry Fox is beyond me :rolleyes:

WOW medicare! No other countries have anything similar, hes the greatest canuck :rolleyes:
Hey, I'm still wondering how Don Cherry made the top ten. I would have put him around position 421, myself.

Don Cherry is a moron.
The greatest canadian is Steve Smith. (AKA Red Green)

If were looking for heroes, I gotta say Fox and then Dallaire. But, if we're looking at greatness in terms of accomplishment, Pearson should have won.
6th place! I mean, he finished behind David Suzuki for god's sake!
At least he beat Don Cherry.

I'm going Conservative. I don't feel like supporting my decision.

As for the Greatest Canadian: I voted for Juan Mendez because my brother and him used to be friends and he's making it big on the basketball scene. My bro says he's gonna be drafted in the NBA maybe 10th overall.

I voted for Suzuki for greatest canadian

i just didn't want Trudeau to win... he's talked about so much... i've had enough of him already


Back to politics, I think Harper will lose seats in the next election... even George Bush said his platform was flawed.

What's the NDP?