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Evil Evil Microsoft - Which computers are the best, Microsoft run ones or Mac run ones?

Mac of course!!

All hail Macintosh!

They look cooler and are more reliable.

Plus, the iPod rules!

Linux!

Mac sucks, they crash too, at least I can crash them quickly. Their hardware is not really breathtaking, and you barely get any good games (and if? they're pretty expensive, about the same as US originals around here).

Sides... try running a server on Mac.

All hail Macintosh!

They look cooler and are more reliable.

Plus, the iPod rules!

Macs are far more reliable, my one has only crashed once in 6 months - my old microsoft computer crashed once a week. so do my parent's computers. I'm actually in love with my computer!! I need an ipod, but the price is the thing that's stopping me buying one.

I need an ipod, but the price is the thing that's stopping me buying one.

Yeah they are. I was lucky, I got it for Christmas.

Yes microsoft is evil.. but can y'all get off Mac's nuts!! Hi, Mac's have been marketed to you us by the uberest of uber-evil entities.. Hollywood!! So all of you podics need to stop being so blinded by the need to go against the grain.. You are now part of the status-quo!

they just need to make a reliable os and i will ignore the fact that they are evil :)

No. Microsoft is the reason so many people own a computer. Also, they make some fantastic peripheral hardware, and produce one of the best games series ever (Age of Empires). They also have some majorly great in-house developers, but sadly, they don't work on Windows, rather their other products such as Office etc.

You are now part of the status-quo!

Damn Hollywood. They know how to ruin a good thing. :(

Also, they make some fantastic peripheral hardware, and produce one of the best games series ever (Age of Empires

I love AoE and Age of Kings, and their office products are the best, but I don't like the OS. It's just too unreliable and vulnerable.

Yeah they are. I was lucky, I got it for Christmas.

Evil, Evil Vetalia!! I now hate ya!! Which one? Shuffle? or mini? Or original?

Mac sucks, they crash too, at least I can crash them quickly.

I've never been able to crash my mac on purpose, the only reason it did that one time, was because i was installing some microsoft software - you've probably been playing with one of the toy older ones and not a G5 IMac.

No. Microsoft is the reason so many people own a computer. Also, they make some fantastic peripheral hardware, and produce one of the best games series ever (Age of Empires). They also have some majorly great in-house developers, but sadly, they don't work on Windows, rather their other products such as Office etc.

Can you explain then why microsoft doesn't seem to understand the term "working"?

I love AoE and Age of Kings, and their office products are the best, but I don't like the OS. It's just too unreliable and vulnerable.

Only so vunarable as it has the most people trying to break it.

Microsoft is great, great, I tell you!
Now bow before Emperor Gates, everybody, bow . . . .. (whispers- what do you mean that comes after world domination . . . oh i see . . . so I should probably . . . gotcha)
Bill Gates is an excellent businessman and philanthropist. Microsoft is a reliable, industry-standard brand, and will continue to innovate to keep pace with the global marketplace. Thank you all.

Evil, Evil Vetalia!! I now hate ya!! Which one? Shuffle? or mini? Or original?

Original

Windows XP has literally not crashed since I got it, I keep wondering what the hell people who claim it is unstable are talking about.

Microsoft is great, great, I tell you!
Now bow before Emperor Gates, everybody, bow . . . .. (whispers- what do you mean that comes after world domination . . . oh i see . . . so I should probably . . . gotcha)
Bill Gates is an excellent businessman and philanthropist. Microsoft is a reliable, industry-standard brand, and will continue to innovate to keep pace with the global marketplace. Thank you all.

Then why is Mac getting far more popular whilst Microsoft is beginning to lose out? (finally - oh yeah, and why does Bill gates have a mac in his private office?)

Original

I stand by my "Evil" comment

Then why is Mac getting far more popular whilst Microsoft is beginning to lose out? (finally - oh yeah, and why does Bill gates have a mac in his private office?)

The pendulum effect at work in a free economy, I'm afraid. Monopolies become complacent, and now Apple is reaping the benefits of a complacent foe. As for Mr. Gates, assuming that what you said is true, he's a very smart man and probably just uses whichever model is superior.
PS- I wasn't actually making a point with my original post. I was trying to be humorous, but I seem to have lost the knack.

PS- I wasn't actually making a point with my original post. I was trying to be humorous, but I seem to have lost the knack.

Oh humour....isn't that that thing with the laughing and the funnies?

Oh, and how dare you say Bill Gates is clever! He is not!! He just copied thingy from that movie, what was it now.....?

Oh humour....isn't that that thing with the laughing and the funnies?

Oh, and how dare you say Bill Gates is clever! He is not!! He just copied thingy from that movie, what was it now.....?

I'm hoping he'll send me some of his money.

Windows XP has literally not crashed since I got it, I keep wondering what the hell people who claim it is unstable are talking about.

They are people who do not know how to properly use a computer.

I'm hoping he'll send me some of his money.

Yeah, I tried that once, it never works!!

Yeah, I tried that once, it never works!!

Hence your starting this particular thread? ;)

Hence your starting this particular thread? ;)

You read me like a book!! :p

All hail Macintosh!

They look cooler and are more reliable.

Plus, the iPod rules!

Great, another rabid consumer who will gladly spend 3 times more than they should for something that "looks cooler".

I've never been able to crash my mac on purpose, the only reason it did that one time, was because i was installing some microsoft software - you've probably been playing with one of the toy older ones and not a G5 IMac.


You do realize that as computer get newer, they tend to crash less often. Hence, old computers crash more often than new ones. It is a simple concept.

built my own computer and 8 months later the only time it's crashed is when I was "tweaking" it and overclocking. If you know how to look after a computer it's fine. Since I play alot of games I don't want a mac

Great, another rabid consumer who will gladly spend 3 times more than they should for something that "looks cooler".

I personally will spend 3 times more on something that will work more often, for longer and better - hence my IMac - the fact that it looks cool is merely a side effect - I don't care about that - if i did, i would be wearing combats, baseball caps, and everything that says Nike/Addidas etc - as it is, I avoid those things. You people with your Microsoft computers use them only for playing games, I use my Mac, for useful things like (an unknown concept to you maybe) "WORK".

Yes microsoft is evil.. but can y'all get off Mac's nuts!! Hi, Mac's have been marketed to you us by the uberest of uber-evil entities.. Hollywood!! So all of you podics need to stop being so blinded by the need to go against the grain.. You are now part of the status-quo!
No, Microsoft is NOT evil, Hollywood is NOT Evil, Iran, NK, Iraq, the Ayatollahs are NOT evil.

War is evil...Famine is evil...Torture is evil...

I personally will spend 3 times more on something that will work more often, for longer and better - hence my IMac - the fact that it looks cool is merely a side effect - I don't care about that - if i did, i would be wearing combats, baseball caps, and everything that says Nike/Addidas etc - as it is, I avoid those things. You people with your Microsoft computers use them only for playing games, I use my Mac, for useful things like (an unknown concept to you maybe) "WORK".

Get over yourself. You're not unique for using a Mac; it doesn't make you better.

No, Microsoft is NOT evil, Hollywood is NOT Evil, Iran, NK, Iraq, the Ayatollahs are NOT evil.

War is evil...Famine is evil...Torture is evil...

Oh God, this thread seems to have gained religion.

*sighs*

Its better that theres a common base to work from. I could only imagine the chaos if there was 40 odd operating system, each with thier own quirks and software incompatibilities. So evil but necessary

Windows XP has given me only one problem, and that was when an anti-virus program gave me the BSoD. I found that a bit ironic, but when the firewall wasn't installed, it was fine. Windows 2000 is about as good, but I find WinXP more usable.

Win98/ME, especially ME (short for Monkey Excrement) should be shot into the sun.

I'm on a PowerBook G4 right now, it works OK. But why can't I download anything? I try to download .wmv and divx files but they appear in some weird goddamn format and dont work.

I'm on a PowerBook G4 right now, it works OK. But why can't I download anything? I try to download .wmv and divx files but they appear in some weird goddamn format and dont work.in 6 words:
"you dont have what it takes".

in 5 words:
"its all about the codecs".

in 6 words:
"you dont have what it takes".

in 5 words:
"its all about the codecs".

No I downloaded Windows Media player and divx for Mac. When I try to download the new red vs blue movie in .wmv, nothing happens, when I try to download it in quicktime, nothing happens, when I try to download it in divx, i get this thing in .php format.

Microsoft is not bad in my view, because of Microsoft Research. Separate to the software retail divisions, MSR is dedicated to advancing the fields of computer science, working with academia to share information.

Apple do not do that. They patent and sue every time.

*sighs*

Its better that theres a common base to work from. I could only imagine the chaos if there was 40 odd operating system, each with thier own quirks and software incompatibilities. So evil but necessary

Actually, there are closer to 900 operating systems.

BeOS, UNIX, Linux - in about 700 flavours, Windows, MS-Dos, PC-Dos...

Such a great many are still in regular use today.

Actually, there are closer to 900 operating systems.

BeOS, UNIX, Linux - in about 700 flavours, Windows, MS-Dos, PC-Dos...

Such a great many are still in regular use today.
There are 900 MAIN distinct flavors ... there are closer to 2000 seperate sub operating systems

And if you are counting Kernal Configureations it can be in the hundreds of thousands

Microsoft is awesome, they made the uberest console ever.

Oh God, this thread seems to have gained religion.

That's because MacIntosh is a religion.

BTW, given this thread, where is the CmdrTaco option?
(www.slashdot.org, for those of you not in the know).

THE PENGUINS SHALL RULE THE WORLD!!!!!! (only not like Starbucks is trying to do)

Mac all the way. I am typing on a G5 dual processor right now.

I don't understand hw you can like Microsoft. There are viruses, they computes are slow, etc...

Sure, there is much more software, but so? More viruses and problems.

I don't find Microsoft to be evil. They make good products and make them widely available. I haven't seen anything Bill Gates has done that would make him or the company seem bad. I currently have a Dell PC with XP SP1 and it works very well. There are a few problems, but I attribute them to me being irresponsible.

However today I was looking around Apple's site and a few things impressed me. I have no experience owning Apple computers or iPods but they interest me. I heard the iPod basically beats all other competition as far as how well it works, but I don't know what truth there is to that. I do plan on getting an MP3 player soon though. I also looked at the Dell DJ and I'm wondering what's better.

The G5 PowerMacs seem to be really good. The thing that really caught my eye was the new Mini Mac that has just been introduced. It has a decent computer in a simple, small, and relatively cheap package. The only thing that worries me is some of the products seem expensive and incompatible. Again, all my thoughts on Apple are speculative so I don't know if it really is as good as it seems.

However today I was looking around Apple's site and a few things impressed me. I have no experience owning Apple computers or iPods but they interest me. I heard the iPod basically beats all other competition as far as how well it works, but I don't know what truth there is to that. I do plan on getting an MP3 player soon though. I also looked at the Dell DJ and I'm wondering what's better.
The iPod does beat competition. i bought my 20GB one Wednesday, and it works splendidly. It is fast, and gives you much control. Transfering music is easy and finding the songs on your iPod is easy as well.

The G5 PowerMacs seem to be really good.
Yes. They are the fastest home computers available, I believe.
The thing that really caught my eye was the new Mini Mac that has just been introduced. It has a decent computer in a simple, small, and relatively cheap package. The only thing that worries me is some of the products seem expensive and incompatible. Again, all my thoughts on Apple are speculative so I don't know if it really is as good as it seems.
The MiniMac is amazing. It has a G4 processor, which is relatively fast. For $500, I'd buy it.

Get over yourself. You're not unique for using a Mac; it doesn't make you better.

I never said i was, I was merely stating that in my, and most other people's experience, Macs rule, Microsoft Drools, simply.

well more people seem to perfer microsoft than macs!!

http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/sit3-shine.7.gif

well more people seem to perfer microsoft than macs!!

But they're fools

http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/sit3-shine.7.gif
Seconded.

They are people who do not know how to properly use a computer.Or, they are people:

1. Often running buggy programs that, thanks to the many vulnerabilities in Windows, manage to mess up Windows badly enough to cause a crash.
2. Who happens to be using hardware with crappy Windows drivers.
3. Whose Windows installation has grown too "old" and is dying - a Windows installation is pretty much guaranteed to die within half a year, as long as you install new programs, games and drivers once in a while and use them daily.

No operating system is perfect, but it's not too surprising that Windows is sometimes called "the biggest beta test in history". Sure, you can keep it in a fairly good state for quite a while if you use it very carefully, but the point is that a good OS should be able to withstand tough usage without slowly degenerating until the point of not being able to run at all.

Or, they are people:

1. Often running buggy programs that, thanks to the many vulnerabilities in Windows, manage to mess up Windows badly enough to cause a crash.
2. Who happens to be using hardware with crappy Windows drivers.
3. Whose Windows installation has grown too "old" and is dying - a Windows installation is pretty much guaranteed to die within half a year, as long as you install new programs, games and drivers once in a while and use them daily.

No operating system is perfect, but it's not too surprising that Windows is sometimes called "the biggest beta test in history". Sure, you can keep it in a fairly good state for quite a while if you use it very carefully, but the point is that a good OS should be able to withstand tough usage without slowly degenerating until the point of not being able to run at all.


Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!

And this is why we all hate microsoft!!

for people who like the ipod (http://www.ninjapirate.com/images/ipod1.gif)

Seconded.
thirded.

But I do not know how to properly use a computer. :( Linux surprises me from time to time. It took me a Looooooong time to copy material from a floppy to disc. (never use floppys, had to mount it first)

I also need Microsoft for 3d Max and PhotoShop.

Evil Evil Microsoft - Which computers are the best, Microsoft run ones or Mac run ones?

Mac of course!!

I use Windows. If I were ever going to switch, I'd install Linux. What is the benefit of switching from one megacorp to another?

http://www.isc.tamu.edu/~lewing/linux/sit3-shine.7.gif

Thirded.

I also need Microsoft for 3d Max and PhotoShop.

I don't know what 3d Max is, but why the hell do you need Microsoft for PhotoShop?

I'm reminded of a quote I read once; seems relevant to this thread:

"Mac OS X - because making UNIX user-friendly was easier than fixing Windows"

Meh.

And to the guy [Kevady] with the link about the iPod and Walkman...huh? I think I missed something...

Apple Macs rate a couple of places below Leprosy on the Pariah scale.

No operating system is perfect, but it's not too surprising that Windows is sometimes called "the biggest beta test in history". Sure, you can keep it in a fairly good state for quite a while if you use it very carefully, but the point is that a good OS should be able to withstand tough usage without slowly degenerating until the point of not being able to run at all.

You mean, like mine? The way I'm pretty much reckless in what websites I visit and such, and have only got two or three pieces of spam/spyware/popups ever? Because I tells ya, Firefox must be even more impressive than I thought, if it stops ALL THAT on it's own. Windows runs fine for me most of the time - and I sincerely doubt any other OS will make Morrowind CTD less often.

Damned nice username though. =P

I don't know what 3d Max is, but why the hell do you need Microsoft for PhotoShop?


3D studio Max, I think 3D says it all.
I wasn't precise. I need Microsoft (something else than Linux) to scan pictures because I have a bloody Canon. So I use both Linux and Microsoft at home. (Mac stays in the closet)

Micro$oft is a terrible company. Not only are they convicted monopolists but they also stifle innovation and produce an inferior product.

I thought Microsoft had finally released a good version of Windows with XP. I recently installed it so I could play some games. I installed Windows, went directly to the windowsupdate website and installed all available critical updates. I used a link from their site to download ad-aware. When I ran it, I found that my computer was already infected with multiple spyware programs, despite having just installed a fresh copy of Windows and not even going to any websites but Microsoft's (and the site it linked to for ad-aware). The spyware kept coming back despite ad-awares attempts at removing it. So, I am without Windows now until they send me a service pack 2 cd, at which time I will install Windows again but this time without being plugged into the internet until after I have installed service pack 2. To top it off, Windows was unable to detect my sound card properly, so I am left without any sound even if I find some way of removing the spyware.

I have come to the conclusion that Windows continues to be total crap. It is the worst operating system in the market and continues to exist only because of the monopoly Micro$oft has been able to maintain.

On the bright side, their incompetence keeps IT security analysts like myself employed.

Micro$oft is a terrible company. Not only are they convicted monopolists but they also stifle innovation and produce an inferior product.

I thought Microsoft had finally released a good version of Windows with XP. I recently installed it so I could play some games. I installed Windows, went directly to the windowsupdate website and installed all available critical updates. I used a link from their site to download ad-aware. When I ran it, I found that my computer was already infected with multiple spyware programs, despite having just installed a fresh copy of Windows and not even going to any websites but Microsoft's (and the site it linked to for ad-aware). The spyware kept coming back despite ad-awares attempts at removing it. So, I am without Windows now until they send me a service pack 2 cd, at which time I will install Windows again but this time without being plugged into the internet until after I have installed service pack 2. To top it off, Windows was unable to detect my sound card properly, so I am left without any sound even if I find some way of removing the spyware.

I have come to the conclusion that Windows continues to be total crap. It is the worst operating system in the market and continues to exist only because of the monopoly Micro$oft has been able to maintain.

On the bright side, their incompetence keeps IT security analysts like myself employed.

I have a theory that it's the amount of IT personnel in companies that keeps the sheer volume of Windows machines around. I mean, really, if you were an IT guy (no offence to you, Hippies, I'm just musing here) would you put yourself out of a job by recommending they change to a new OS? One that works? (I'm not suggesting what OS that would be, but seriously...)

Microsoft tried the copyright the letter 'N', in Europe. Of course, they're fucking trash.

I have a theory that it's the amount of IT personnel in companies that keeps the sheer volume of Windows machines around. I mean, really, if you were an IT guy (no offence to you, Hippies, I'm just musing here) would you put yourself out of a job by recommending they change to a new OS? One that works? (I'm not suggesting what OS that would be, but seriously...)

Depends on the size of the company. In a small company, no. You need things to go wrong so you can fix them. In a large company, yes, because the people who design a system are an entirely different group of people from the ones who have to fix it. The group that designs it wants to look good by having it work flawlessly.

I have a theory that it's the amount of IT personnel in companies that keeps the sheer volume of Windows machines around. I mean, really, if you were an IT guy (no offence to you, Hippies, I'm just musing here) would you put yourself out of a job by recommending they change to a new OS? One that works? (I'm not suggesting what OS that would be, but seriously...)
Security analysis does not end at the OS

Besides depending on your user base it may be impractical to change to an unfamiliar OS to the users.

I don't know what 3d Max is, but why the hell do you need Microsoft for PhotoShop?

I'm reminded of a quote I read once; seems relevant to this thread:

"Mac OS X - because making UNIX user-friendly was easier than fixing Windows"

Meh.

And to the guy [Kevady] with the link about the iPod and Walkman...huh? I think I missed something...
Lol too bad os-x is based off of a BSD kernal not a UNIX one :)

Lol too bad os-x is based off of a BSD kernal not a UNIX one :)

Bah! You know what it meant...

Bah! You know what it meant...
I know thats why I smiled :D

When I ran it, I found that my computer was already infected with multiple spyware programs, despite having just installed a fresh copy of Windows and not even going to any websites but Microsoft's (and the site it linked to for ad-aware).
Actuall many things ad-aware finds are not threats. Most are just cookies (as you probly know cookies are needed when you update to keep track of what updates you currently have and what you selected). So the "threats" you have are for the most part harmless. Other ones you got could be from adds on ad-aware's ad banners (sort of ironic but does happen).

And to the guy [Kevady] with the link about the iPod and Walkman...huh? I think I missed something...

yeah I thought providing the entire article was a bit much, but I'll dig it up

http://www.ninjapirate.com/ipod.html

yeah I thought providing the entire article was a bit much, but I'll dig it up

http://www.ninjapirate.com/ipod.html

Well, I'm not sure if the site was serious or just a bit of a rant, but here's my response to it:

Some people like to be able to have different songs available to them at different times of the day. Most people don't like to have to carry around dozens of CDs with them. They are an annoyance. The iPod doesn't "max out" at 10,000 songs; you can change them at any time, so, as with the Discman, the capacity for material is pretty much endless.

Basically, instead of wandering around with a (slightly bulkier) Discman and 200 CDs, you could carry an iPod. Or any other Hard-Drive Music Player. And listen to whatever song you want, whenever you want, without any fuss.

But hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Well, I'm not sure if the site was serious or just a bit of a rant, but here's my response to it:

Some people like to be able to have different songs available to them at different times of the day. Most people don't like to have to carry around dozens of CDs with them. They are an annoyance. The iPod doesn't "max out" at 10,000 songs; you can change them at any time, so, as with the Discman, the capacity for material is pretty much endless.

Basically, instead of wandering around with a (slightly bulkier) Discman and 200 CDs, you could carry an iPod. Or any other Hard-Drive Music Player. And listen to whatever song you want, whenever you want, without any fuss.

But hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion.

My response to the site is....."WHAT THE HELL??? IT'S SUCH AN UTTER PIECE OF CRAP!!"

And ding ding ding!!! Troon has just won a prize!!!!! Msn me on vengero @ hotmail . com to find out what! (lol). You are so right - and my other comment about the site is that, most other mp3 players are so crap quality (trust me i've had a few) and don't store much on them. Ipods are just much better quality and they're guarenteed to work with macs and pc's whereas most mp3 players only work with pc's....i could go on.