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Does anyone else see the similarities between these two seemingle disparate styles of music?

What's outlaw country?

I don't really know what Outlaw country is... but Punk Rock is just... blah

What's outlaw country?

A style of/trend in country music popular in the late 60s and early 70s. It was a reaction to the "Nashville Sound". There are some big rock influances, but at the same time it harkens back to a rawer more "real" country music. Some of the big names include Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, and Merle Haggard, among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_country
http://www.roughstock.com/history/outlaw.html

For a bit I thought you wanted to outlaw country and punk rock :D

For a bit I thought you wanted to outlaw country and punk rock :D

Quite the oppoisite. In fact it's my liking of both styles that lead me to the question... ;)

The omnipresent other which I will have a lack of knowledge on either type to explain below.

Quite the oppoisite. In fact it's my liking of both styles that lead me to the question... ;)

So, explain the similarity of Johnny Cash's style to the style of the Sex Pistols...

For a bit I thought you wanted to outlaw country and punk rock :D
Me too! And I agree 50 %.

So, explain the similarity of Johnny Cash's style to the style of the Sex Pistols...

I see similarities in the development, style, and attiude.

As I (hopefully) implied above, both developed as a reaction to a staid establishment.

Stylistically, there was a similar sense of stripped down, smaller bands and a simpler, less artsy approach to the music. Also, both styles tended towards overt political, anti-establisment, and/or social messages that were unpopular. Cash was for notable political themes differing from mainstream C/W at the time (Man in Black, Folsom Prison Blues, The Ballad of Ira Hayes) and his anti-Vietnam war stance, for example.

The attiude is definately there. A notably anti-establismentarian streak. (The fullpage ad in Billboard "thanking" the C/W establishment for their support - w/ the accompanying pic of Cash flipping the bird.

And need I note the substance abuse problems that plagued both. (Cash was arrested on numerous occassions for drug possession.)

So then there must have been a similar parallel within the establishment of the time.

Hence the parallel between Disco and Hee Haw.

So then there must have been a similar parallel within the establishment of the time.

Hence the parallel between Disco and Hee Haw.

I won't argue with that. ;) Both were pretty obnoxious...

I see similarities in the development, style, and attiude.

As I (hopefully) implied above, both developed as a reaction to a staid establishment.

Stylistically, there was a similar sense of stripped down, smaller bands and a simpler, less artsy approach to the music. Also, both styles tended towards overt political, anti-establisment, and/or social messages that were unpopular. Cash was for notable political themes differing from mainstream C/W at the time (Man in Black, Folsom Prison Blues, The Ballad of Ira Hayes) and his anti-Vietnam war stance, for example.

The attiude is definately there. A notably anti-establismentarian streak. (The fullpage ad in Billboard "thanking" the C/W establishment for their support - w/ the accompanying pic of Cash flipping the bird.

And need I note the substance abuse problems that plagued both. (Cash was arrested on numerous occassions for drug possession.)
I think quite a few different music styles have done those things. Any style of music that promoted social revolution would be described that way. And drug problems plague EVERY musical genre so that's nothing special. Also them damn crazy hippie musicians of the 60s fit the exact same description you give so why aren't they included?

Well, according to the poll I'm no longer the only one who sees significant similarities... :D

(Who was it?)

I think quite a few different music styles have done those things. Any style of music that promoted social revolution would be described that way. And drug problems plague EVERY musical genre so that's nothing special. Also them damn crazy hippie musicians of the 60s fit the exact same description you give so why aren't they included?

Punk was in many ways a reaction to "them damn crazy hippie musicians of the 60s" and the overly orchestrated rock that resulted. Mainstream C/W had absorbed some of those musical influances (an overly "artistic" and soft sound, for example). As I said, both styles saw a radical (and in some respects reactionary) reaction musicaly to the prevailing styles in their respective genres, prefering a simpler but rawer sound in many respects.

Yes, of course they're the damned similar. Try to explain Joni Mitchell, Johnny Cash, Dixie Chicks, or REM any other way.

Personally I can't stand punk

Actually POP rock needs to be banned. Bands like Blink 182, Good Charlotte, etc. Every song in that genre from every band sounds EXACTLY the same. It never changes. Just that repetative fast drumming beat and fast guitar playing. Every song is about love too! I can't STAND pop rock and, but hey it's cool if other people like it I guess.

I think country is more like rap than punk.

I mean, rap (of the non-gangsta "i'm in it for the money" variety) is just a poor black man's version of a poor white man's song, minus the melody and guitar and moved from rural to urban environments.