NationStates Jolt Archive

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN

*pops popcorn*

hmm. could be fun. anyone want some popcorn?

:whispers:

Its really the Freemasons, the Illuminati and the Club of Rome

:vanishes into the darkness:

*pops popcorn*

hmm. could be fun. anyone want some popcorn?

I'll take some! *pops a bottle of texas pete and dumps it on the popcorn*

For the record, I agree that far left and right are destroying America.

Vote independent.

Vote independent.
Last election I pledged my vote (or if I was of age to) for a certain 3rd-party group that starts in 'l' and end in 'ibertarian'

I'll take some! *pops a bottle of texas pete and dumps it on the popcorn*

hot sauce on popcorn? eh, why not?

Last election I pledged my vote (or if I was of age to) for a certain 3rd-party group that starts in 'l' and end in 'ibertarian'
Not supporting makes Bush cry. :(

By ghod, I think he's got it.
It's too bad the Freemasons aren't the numero-Uno conspiracy anymore. (Hint: majority of the original Framers of the Constitution were Freemasons...)
Both the Far-Right, and the Far-Left have their own absolutist/Totatiltarian impulses, and are about as far apart as 2355 and 0105 on the political clock of 24 hours... and both are immune to reason, rationality, and the impact of facts, it's not inconceiveable that, like Stalin and Hitler in 1939, they're working together against the rest of us.

By ghod, I think he's got it.
It's too bad the Freemasons aren't the numero-Uno conspiracy anymore. (Hint: majority of the original Framers of the Constitution were Freemasons...)
Both the Far-Right, and the Far-Left have their own absolutist/Totatiltarian impulses, and are about as far apart as 2355 and 0105 on the political clock of 24 hours... and both are immune to reason, rationality, and the impact of facts, it's not inconceiveable that, like Stalin and Hitler in 1939, they're working together against the rest of us.Don't forget FDR!



/Yes, I know you probably don't agree with me that FDR belongs with Stalin and Hitler.

Don't know which far left you are on about, unless you mean those disgusting hippy tree hugger types,

Uncle Joe is my sort of left winger (although I am not as totalitarian, I suppose I am around the kim-il sung sort of level)... and he definately wouldn't have put up with that sort of jiggery pokery, besides your wrong it is all foriegn powers regardless of alignment aginst America...

It's just something to do at the moment we need a Alien invasion or something, or maybe a Kitten revolution. All Power stems from the litter box, Arise ye kittens Arise.

*Passes popcorn to the left*

=^..^=
*All Animals are created Equal*
*Some animals are more equal than others*

dthats why im a centrist. how could you honestly be a far right or far left. far rights are nazis and far lefts are the type of people who are straight pussies. not really good to be either.

<popcorn is passed to me i say no thanks i already ate passes to left>

dthats why im a centrist. how could you honestly be a far right or far left. far rights are nazis and far lefts are the type of people who are straight pussies. not really good to be either.

<popcorn is passed to me i say no thanks i already ate passes to left>
Same here but not because I don't like the extremes but because basically when you calculate all my views together I'm a centrist. Not necissarily because I choose to be but because it's my natural position on things.

Well, that's a loft assumption indeed, and one that is lacking in substantiation.

You want to know what's destroying America? Bad economists, an uneeded war and general apathy towards various issues on the homefront.

Thank God the Blame Canada crew hasn't found this thread yet.

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN
Agreed. Save the Gay Marriage thing. FYI Super, that's a libertarian position as well. Sure beats their bitching in favor of a welfare state. :D

Add this to your list:


Electronic voting machines
Unlimited private campaign contributions
CBS (Liberal) propaganda
Fox News (Conservative) propaganda

If you think that affirmative action, gay marriage, the UN and political correctness are FAR left, you have some severe problems. What you call centrist these days would have been considered mid-right-wing less than 20 years ago.

Why is state sovereignty such a good thing anyway? Surely we're all human, and it doesn't matter what state you were born in? As long as everyone gets a say in how we are governed through the democratic process, it doesn't matter what random groupings we are placed in. We should be moving away from the dated idea of state sovereignty to a more modern idea of a united humanity. (Support the EU and the UN!)

*pops popcorn*

hmm. could be fun. anyone want some popcorn?

Yes, please. Thank you.

*takes some popcorn, sprinkles some extra salt over it*

What an amusing little thread. Quite absurd, of course. As someone whose sympathies lie very much with the extreme left (more in terms of utopian ideals than of practical politics, though), I have to say the idea of the extreme left conspiring with those whose views are so antithetical to their own is so ridiculous as to be laughable.

As for the points the creator of this thread brings up:


*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage


Well, if you're bigoted and homophobic, not much we can agree on, is there. Plus, it's not just the extreme left that's asking for gays to be granted equal rights.

I'm curious... I've never been able to think of a single valid reason why gays should not be allowed to get married. Not one. Believe me, I've tried to think of some. I'd be interested to hear why you think they shouldn't be granted that right.


*Affirmative Action


That's a complex issue, and one I still haven't made up my mind on. Again, though, it's not just the extreme left. (Unless for you the scope of the extreme left is an extremely wide one?)


*Political Correctness


Nope. I despise the excesses of political correctness. It's come to be little more than a joke.


*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN


Destruction of sovereignty?! Aren't we being a little extreme ourselves here, hmm? You seem to be one of those people for whom might is justifiably greater than right, though.

If for you the values of your country include such niceties as virulent homophobia, though, no wonder you're capable of such silly threads.

*munches on some popcorn, sits back and watches*

As someone whose sympathies lie very much with the extreme left (more in terms of utopian ideals than of practical politics, though
:p This says it all...

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN
God damn you're agreeable today. I agree except for the gay marriage issue.
Also, I made a fresh bag of popcorn.

Thank God the Blame Canada crew hasn't found this thread yet.

I swear to god its all Canadas fault because of the mess were in.
BLAME CANADA!
jk

Blame Canada!Blame Canada! With all their beedy little eyes, their flapping heads full of lies. Blame Canada! Blame Canada! We need to form a full assault, its Canada's fault!

Add this to your list:


Electronic voting machines
Unlimited private campaign contributions
CBS (Liberal) propaganda
Fox News (Conservative) propaganda


There really arent any centrist TV stations except supposedly CNN. CNN just says their fair about what they say because they're liberal for one month and then conservative for another. not really centrist

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN

Far right also has ridiculous whining over Social Security and wanting to change it until it is gone.

Affirmative action isn't against what country stands for..how?
Being PC isn't bad, just strange.

Nothing qwrong with UN if our country is acting badly, do you bash Un because it gets in the way of us acting badly? Something about that is just wrong.

Well I'll give you gay marriage since in Canada gay marriage has eroded many laws involving marriage and widows (and their benefits). If America is anything like canada that will be bad.
So what about Civil Unions? Give CVs full benefits marriage is awarded. Make it truly equal.

Far right:
Yeah, lately they are for violtatng sepereation of powers
They say debts are good...what ever happened to fiscially conservative?
They are increasing size of Govt...what ever happened to small govt.
Well, I think that the Seperation violation is just a Bush administration thing.

Yes, please. Thank you.

*takes some popcorn, sprinkles some extra salt over it*

What an amusing little thread. Quite absurd, of course. As someone whose sympathies lie very much with the extreme left (more in terms of utopian ideals than of practical politics, though), I have to say the idea of the extreme left conspiring with those whose views are so antithetical to their own is so ridiculous as to be laughable.

As for the points the creator of this thread brings up:



Well, if you're bigoted and homophobic, not much we can agree on, is there. Plus, it's not just the extreme left that's asking for gays to be granted equal rights.

I'm curious... I've never been able to think of a single valid reason why gays should not be allowed to get married. Not one. Believe me, I've tried to think of some. I'd be interested to hear why you think they shouldn't be granted that right.



That's a complex issue, and one I still haven't made up my mind on. Again, though, it's not just the extreme left. (Unless for you the scope of the extreme left is an extremely wide one?)



Nope. I despise the excesses of political correctness. It's come to be little more than a joke.



Destruction of sovereignty?! Aren't we being a little extreme ourselves here, hmm? You seem to be one of those people for whom might is justifiably greater than right, though.

If for you the values of your country include such niceties as virulent homophobia, though, no wonder you're capable of such silly threads.

*munches on some popcorn, sits back and watches*

Just for that, you dont get any popcorn *swipes bag from Ariddia*

Just for that, you dont get any popcorn *swipes bag from Ariddia*
Do you have butter?

You're starting to lose your edge, SP. Take it from someone who was on the far right and is now on the far left. They aren't working together. Neither side is really interested in destroying the US. The far right wants to remake it in its own image and the far left wants to abolish capitalism, and in many cases, government. Destroying the US (whatever that means) would accomplish nothing.

In addition, the two sides hate each other. Anarchists and Marxists often won't even work with eachother, let alone non-socialists. And of course, no anarchist would ever work with a fascist. The fascists hate socialism as well and most associate it with the Jews, who they hate, as well. An alliance between the far left and far right is out of the question.

Since they want to form America by their own views, whether they realize it or not, are harming it because of their war of ideologies.- thats one theory.

They aren't working together. Neither side is really interested in destroying the US.
I know; I was in a really bad mood when I wrote this thread.....

Well I'll give you gay marriage since in Canada gay marriage has eroded many laws involving marriage and widows (and their benefits). If America is anything like canada that will be bad.


Just a correction of facts ... I live in a Canadian province where gay marriage has been made legal by the courts (it has not been introduced either federally or provincially buy any government) and in no way has gay marriage "eroded" anything, and certainly not benefits for widows (or widowers). Without making any judgement on gay marriage (like you, I prefer civil unions), this statement sounds like a typical far-right scare tactic; just like the lie we are now hearing in Canada about how gay marriage will lead to paedophilia.


You know, talking about this whole far-left vs far-right thing ... the only difference I can tell between the two is how they tell their lies. The far-right comes out with real whoppers, but repeats and repeats them until you believe. (The BIG Lie technique) The far-left tells more subtle lies which they "prove" with distorted statistics and very very selective evidence. And the very worst part about this is that these two extremes are what the media present to us as news.

No wonder Western Civilization is going to Hell in a handbasket.

I know; I was in a really bad mood when I wrote this thread.....

well in theory, they dont want to destroy america, they want to make it better in their views, but in trying to do so, its making the country worse

I'm curious... I've never been able to think of a single valid reason why gays should not be allowed to get married. Not one. Believe me, I've tried to think of some. I'd be interested to hear why you think they shouldn't be granted that right.


I could think of one: They can't get children.
(Though I don't think it is a good reason.)

It's because Canada hates freedom, didn't you know silly?

There really arent any centrist TV stations except supposedly CNN. CNN just says their fair about what they say because they're liberal for one month and then conservative for another. not really centrist
CNN is like a liberal that's ashamed of itself. Very rarely, they'll have liberally-slanted articles (not many, but they're there), but at the same time, they've pretty much ignored a lot of important news, like prison torture and especially vote fraud. The latter was a major issue that should've been focused on more often. There was a huge outrage over it with the NAACP, independent political parties, bloggers, liberals, and many minorities. People who believed that minorities were discriminated against and that electronic voting machines were flawed were no longer labeled "conspiracy theorists" (at least, not by most members of the left, as it was, originally). They should've dropped the bomb on that, but they didn't. It seems to me that CNN is run by mostly liberals, but they're so worried about objectivity and about appearing liberally biased (in this age of constant accusations of it), that they don't report any original news, which might anger Conservatives.

Blame Canada!Blame Canada! With all their beedy little eyes, their flapping heads full of lies. Blame Canada! Blame Canada! We need to form a full assault, its Canada's fault!

I agree!!! Blame Canada for all the problems in the world!!! And and by the way....if you are to invade Canada could you include Norway or Sweden in that invasion?? I'd like Norway or Sweden to take over Québec (I'm a guy so guess why :eek: ) !
*Asks for the popcorn by saying " can I have some please" and then "thank you" when he receives it (gimme a break i'm almost canadian anywayz what did you expect!?! :p ) Eats a lot of popcorn and brings out of nowhere some salsa and nachos and some more pocorn and says passes it all to the left by saying "anyone in the mood for mexican?" And I keep eating my !!!poutine!!! :D *

dthats why im a centrist. how could you honestly be a far right or far left. far rights are nazis and far lefts are the type of people who are straight pussies.
Wrong. Some libertarians are rather extremely far right, and they certainly aren't authoritarian. Some far-lefters are revolutionary socialists, and I somehow doubt that they are 'straight pussies'.

You know, talking about this whole far-left vs far-right thing ... the only difference I can tell between the two is how they tell their lies.I'm gonna replace "far" with "congressional" and insist that distance is related to how strongly sheeple hold the positions they're told to. Since all evidence makes it pretty clear that all positions are arbitrary, I've realized that party leaders just flip a coin at the start of an argument and assign members a position accordingly.

This removes a need for guiding morals and values- and explains why people seem to flip-flop on an issue while holding strong on individual cases. It also explains why, randomly, one or two people from a party will "take a stand" on an issue and we'll never hear anything about it/them again- clerical error. They're all just playing debate & blackmail team, for hundreds of thousands a year. A dream job.

The best part about this conspiracy theory is that the "my party can do no wrong, the other party can do no right" have no excuse except "I'm purely a partisan hack." They also don't seem to have any internal consistency with their opinions except "it came down from on high." Wonnerful, ain't it?

Wrong. Some libertarians are rather extremely far right, and they certainly aren't authoritarian. Some far-lefters are revolutionary socialists, and I somehow doubt that they are 'straight pussies'.(You're right on the main issue here- a single exception disproves a general rule, and you've given several thousand exceptions. This is a comment on the definition of who is Libertarian.)
Have you ever heard of "The 'No True Scotsman' Fallacy?"
1: No True Scotsman has sugar with his porridge!
2: Bull. My cousin Hagar has sugar with his porridge.
1: Then he is not a True Scotsman, for no True Scotsman has sugar with his porridge.Most who call themselves Libertarian end up deciding the government has to regulate just about everything, including (in some cases) forcible psychological repositioning if they want to stay in the country, so that society can work without government interference. The Anarchist-Libertarian minority insist that they're not True Libertarians because they trust some higher authority to watch out for trouble. I sit back and waver between laughing and feeling sick.

No wonder Western Civilization is going to Hell in a handbasket.


You've got your terms confused.

Western civilization is doing just fine, western barbarism is going to hell in a handbasket.

CNN is like a liberal that's ashamed of itself. Very rarely, they'll have liberally-slanted articles (not many, but they're there), but at the same time, they've pretty much ignored a lot of important news, like prison torture and especially vote fraud. The latter was a major issue that should've been focused on more often. There was a huge outrage over it with the NAACP, independent political parties, bloggers, liberals, and many minorities. People who believed that minorities were discriminated against and that electronic voting machines were flawed were no longer labeled "conspiracy theorists" (at least, not by most members of the left, as it was, originally). They should've dropped the bomb on that, but they didn't. It seems to me that CNN is run by mostly liberals, but they're so worried about objectivity and about appearing liberally biased (in this age of constant accusations of it), that they don't report any original news, which might anger Conservatives.

You must remember that CNN is only as liberal as the corporation which owns and controls it and gains enormously financially by the fiscal policies of conservative governments.

My suspicious is that the supposed "fox is conservative" "cnn is liberal" perception is a willful act of branding by the two networks in order to maintain certain market segments.

Why is state sovereignty such a good thing anyway? Surely we're all human, and it doesn't matter what state you were born in? As long as everyone gets a say in how we are governed through the democratic process, it doesn't matter what random groupings we are placed in. We should be moving away from the dated idea of state sovereignty to a more modern idea of a united humanity. (Support the EU and the UN!)When you get one vote in 100, you have a say. When you get one vote in 6 billion, you don't.

Fuck the fucking UN anyway. When's the last time the UN collected votes from the citizens of it's member nations? And you should be wary of the EU, it's only a matter of time before it's as powerful as the US relative to it's member states.

Add this to your list:


CBS (Liberal) propaganda
Fox News (Conservative) propaganda


We need a Libertarian propaganda news station. It would only be fair

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal government
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN

I've gotta agree completely about the Far Right. However, I don't think that the "whining" over things like gay marriage is the least bit ridiculous. Whatever you can do to increase civil liberties, do it.

Affirmative Action? Please... Read up about it and get back to me. It's not even close to "minorities, no matter what grades they get, can go to college, and no matter what grades they get there, can graduate".

Political Correctness? The only people I know who try to shove political correctness down my throat are the far right wingers.

The UN has its problems, but it's not the evil "hellhole" you make it out to be.

I've gotta agree completely about the Far Right. However, I don't think that the "whining" over things like gay marriage is the least bit ridiculous. Whatever you can do to increase civil liberties, do it.

Wetting your panties over gay marriage is ridiculous in my opinion. Both sides. Just legalize it or get government out of marriage.

Political Correctness? The only people I know who try to shove political corectness down my throat are the far right wingers.

What the HELL are you talking about? Political correctness materialized from the left.

The UN has its problems, but it's not the evil "hellhole" you make it out to be.

The UN seems to have its priorities fucked up. They adamantly criticize US invasion of iraq, but are doing shit about Sudan (and did SHIT about Rwanda)

Wetting your panties over gay marriage is ridiculous in my opinion. Both sides. Just legalize it or get government out of marriage.

It's more of an oppression thing than a political thing. It's been going on for too long, and people are fed up with it.

What the HELL are you talking about? Political correctness materialized from the left.

While that may be so, my point still stands.

The UN seems to have its priorities fucked up. They adamantly criticize US invasion of iraq, but are doing shit about Sudan (and did SHIT about Rwanda)

This is one of my problems with the UN.

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN
Where here are we supposed to surmise that they are working together?

Also, to be fair, it was the far right that started the whining over gay marriage.

*Points to self*
I will gladly take any blame you wish to kindly bestow on my Canadian shoulders!!
.....*Collapses*

EDIT: swimmingpool, who/what exactly is Pedro? He is rather haunting.

EDIT: swimmingpool, who/what exactly is Pedro? He is rather haunting.
I assume that you've been looking at my art site? Thanks for that.

Pedro is a large pink toy hippo that I found in my house.

You read right; I'm convinced that the far left and right are working together to destroy America. seriously, the masterminds are plotting toghether to screw us over.

No more of 'Side A or Side B wants to destroy America;' it's a group effort by which both are violating what our country stands for:

Far Right
*Violation of Separation of Powers
*Creating a massive deficit
*Increase in size of Federal gov't
*Issues over violation of Separation of Church/State

Far left
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage
*Affirmative Action
*Political Correctness
*Destruction of sovereignty by forcing us to continue in that hellhole that is the UN

Finally someone who notices the truth...

I assume that you've been looking at my art site? Thanks for that.

Pedro is a large pink toy hippo that I found in my house.
Yes, I enjoy your work greatly. Can I have a yellow rose?

Originally posted by Super-power
*Ridiculous amount of whining from them over things like gay marriage

If gay marriage is anyones problem it's the far right's. If they weren't blind by their "morals" there'd be know problem.

The UN is messed up only because the Permanent Security Council Members (including the United States, China, Russia, Britain and France I believe) use it as their personal agenda fuck toys, often blocking the enforcement of resolutions as they see fit (like in Sudan.)

Wrong. Some libertarians are rather extremely far right, and they certainly aren't authoritarian. Some far-lefters are revolutionary socialists, and I somehow doubt that they are 'straight pussies'.

umm, i diddnt say anything about libertarians and authoritarians...

whoever has the popcorn and nachos can you please pass it to me?

Originally posted by New Genoa
We need a Libertarian propaganda news station. It would only be fair.


I wouldn't fret, you probably got houndreds of Libertarian propagandist websites out there.

Last election I pledged my vote (or if I was of age to) for a certain 3rd-party group that starts in 'l' and end in 'ibertarian'

I voted Libertarian myself. If everyone who identifies with Libertarian ideals would do the same, we might even make a difference one day! :)