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Okay, in The Incredibles (Phenominal movie) there's one scene where Mr. Incredible and Frozone are in a jewelry store and the police think they're robbing it. A cop runs in, gun drawn, and commands them to Freeze. Now, they've just left a fire so Frozone is out of water to use to freeze stuff and he sees a water cooler next to him, he reaches out, picks up a cup, and gets a drink. The cop keeps yelling for him to freeze but doesn't really do anything to stop Frozone from drinking. Now, if this was real life, what could the cop have done?

Now, he would need to stop the guy drinking. There could be a gun behind the water cooler that the criminal is reaching for, the criminal might be planning on throwing the water at the cop and then making a run for it, etc. letting him reach out and drink isn't a smart thing. But what could you do? Shooting him is out, I don't think drinking is a shooting-worthy offence. It was just one cop (and two people) so he couldn't handcuff him since to do so would let the other guy just run off, etc.

What could have been done?

shoot the faucet of the water cooler.

that way, you have removed the means of getting the drink, and the robber has no alternative but to put his hands back up (he can't even pretend to be reaching for a drink if the faucet handle has been shot off)

taser him? actually I have no idea how tasers work, and if they can be shot from long range or need diract contact, but they aren't lethal.

Tasers are short range, and fire an electricaly charged dart. It hurt like hell, but it doesn't kill. Paralyes for a while. Doubt the officer would be carrying one around with him, unless he knew he would need it.

Nope, cop didn't have a taser.

Shoot the guy.

As I said in the opening post, I'm pretty sure that somebody getting a drink of water isn't enough of a reason to shoot somebody.

I like the idea behind this thread.

And to answer the question.... I don't know.

Well, remember in the movie he was a black man. So that would probably give the cop all the reason he needs for justifiable force in shooting him.
Especially if they're in LA. Or any of the Southern states.

He should have shot him with an uzi!!!! :mp5:

As I said in the opening post, I'm pretty sure that somebody getting a drink of water isn't enough of a reason to shoot somebody.

He moved after the "freeze". Any movement after that could be construed as hostile. (I'm sure he could wait for the drink).

A lone cop confronted by two men, one of whom is acting against direct calls to stop? Probably start praying a little; move away from the pair to get a safe distance away in case the big guy moves suddenly, brace the gun and attempt to reassert control verbally. You'd have to be very prepared to shoot in that situation, because things were obviously moving to a head quickly.

If I remember the movie correctly, Frozone spits out the water and freezes the cop shortly after/as he fires the gun. The bullet freezes in mid-air. The cop made the right call; waiting to use force until the last possible second, and since people don't typically have Frozone's unique abilities, the cop in real life would have been reaonsably safe.

He doesn't spit, he shoots it out of his hands and the cop shoots after Frozone starts icing (probably as a result of the icing). Just FYI (I've watched that movie like 20 times in the past three days so I can't stop thinking about everything in the tiniest detail)

He doesn't spit, he shoots it out of his hands and the cop shoots after Frozone starts icing (probably as a result of the icing). Just FYI (I've watched that movie like 20 times in the past three days so I can't stop thinking about everything in the tiniest detail)

Cool. Well, my point stands. Cop did the right thing given his circumstances. Frozone did the right thing, considering his circumstances. Jailarity ensues ;)

I think the real question here is how the hell did ice stop a bullet? Even super powered ice would likely be shattered by gunfire.

nothing. it was a cartoon.

But what could you do? Shooting him is out, I don't think drinking is a shooting-worthy offence.
Are we talking about AMERICAN cops?

He should have...um... Maybe Shot in the arm or something...
I know I would be in panic if I saw two cartoon figures...

Cops are given the right to shoot if they feel theres or someone elses life is in immediate danger. A cop might construe someone not answering there calls to keep there hands up as dangerous for them (especially if there reaching for something). I think he could shoot, though it would be somewhere were not as much damage could happen.

I'm not a cop but in that situation I'm retreat and call for backup. There's nothing that I can do in that situation that a SWAT team and survailiance hellicopters can't do better.

Shoot them in the arm?

Nope, cop didn't have a taser.
Um why dident he? you are asking for a real world response to said situation ... tasering and or pepper spray would be a real world response

Now you are limiting what equipment a cop normaly carries? if so how do you expect a response that makes any sence

Um why dident he? you are asking for a real world response to said situation ... tasering and or pepper spray would be a real world response

Now you are limiting what equipment a cop normaly carries? if so how do you expect a response that makes any sence
You're so cruel to the poor boy.

I'm not a cop but in that situation I'm retreat and call for backup. There's nothing that I can do in that situation that a SWAT team and survailiance hellicopters can't do better.
But why he has no knoldege of their super powers ... you have two criminals (the backup being called in I can see) but as far as he knows they do not have any wepons in site ... he has the only wepon

You are giving him the ability to call in a swat team but not something as simple as a taser?

You're so cruel to the poor boy.
I am trying to figure out what he wants not trying to be cruel but he is adding wierd rull sets to this that would not be present in real world

So he cant want to know what a REAL cop would do

I am trying to figure out what he wants not trying to be cruel but he is adding wierd rull sets to this that would not be present in real world

So he cant want to know what a REAL cop would do
Maybe he's looking for a specific answer that he already knows of.

Maybe he's looking for a specific answer that he already knows of.
I guess so lol

Originally posted by Passive Cookies
I think the real question here is how the hell did ice stop a bullet? Even super powered ice would likely be shattered by gunfire.

Welcome to the world of superhero animation.

Since Frozone is black the cop would shoot him, sprinkle some crack on him and leave.

Of course this is if Mr. Incredible didn't step between the two. After all, he is bulletproof.

Depends, on if the cop was on COPS or was on Simon and Simon. There's a big difference, you know.

Are we talking about AMERICAN cops?
I think I'm the only one who laughed his ass off at that post.
You know they were American. If you twitch... :D

Really, The Incredibles is my favorite movie I've seen in the past year, by far.

Point the gun at the person, if they move suddenly to take anything but the glass of water, shoot them a few times.

It doesn't matter because 80% of all shots fired by cops in that situation misss their targets.

But I'd shoot him in the shoulder.

shoot the faucet of the water cooler.

that way, you have removed the means of getting the drink, and the robber has no alternative but to put his hands back up (he can't even pretend to be reaching for a drink if the faucet handle has been shot off)
Why not shoot behind him, bounce the bullet off a passing car, have it ricochet back into a light, and then hitting Frozone with just enough force to knock him out rather than kill him? As long as we're talking about incredibly unlikely and silly things to do. The cop should have shot him, who knows what the guy was reaching for?

You are giving him the ability to call in a swat team but not something as simple as a taser?
Cops don't generally have Taser's on their person. At least no where I live. They have access to them, but they are not generally on them. A radio however, is always on them. Makes sense to me....

You're all wrong.
The cop should have found a flithy hippie and beaten his flithy hippie ass. Everybody wins!

Cops don't generally have Taser's on their person. At least no where I live. They have access to them, but they are not generally on them. A radio however, is always on them. Makes sense to me....
The cops around Salem do, but I think we're talking specifically about the Incredibles.

Cops don't generally have Taser's on their person. At least no where I live. They have access to them, but they are not generally on them. A radio however, is always on them. Makes sense to me....
They do in minnesota ... it is a requirement along with most states

Usulaly located between gun and cuffs

Police can shoot if you continue to move and they believe you pose a threat by continuing your course of action.

You don't have to have a lethal weapon in your hands, either. Since something as non-lethal as pepper spray could result in your ability to disarm the policeman, holding something with the potential to disable the policeman is grounds in most states for the policeman to shoot you.

It doesn't matter if the policeman misses a lot - that's why he needs a 15-round magazine. He will continue to pull the trigger until you either drop or he has to change magazines.

A sudden move, after ignoring an order to freeze, would give the cop all the reason he needs to shoot , especially ( sad but true ) if the suspect were black. :(

The incredibles promotes élitism.

The incredibles promotes élitism.
"The Incredibles" denies the supposition that everyone is equally talented. You might call this elitism, if you like.