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How great it was, the actor was perfect for the role. and the supporting was ok.
label your pros n cons. i had a few but it would ruin it

How great it was, the actor was perfect for the role. and the supporting was ok.
label your pros n cons. i had a few but it would ruin it


Pros:

The TARDIS' new look. Nice.

Perfect actor.

It was the BBC who did it!

They didn't make it too realistic, and it wasn't too stupid.

Cons:

I think it should be longer each episode :D

Those plastic monsters ruled, and when the nesting consciousness talked about constitutional rights...yeah. Nothing quite as good as The Doctor talking politics with a big plastic blob :D

i do think it could be longer, but they deliberatly kept the cheesy monsters, and some bad sets but the digital gave it a new angle

I think it was really good. The only fault I found was that the Doctor was a bit to 'goofy' if ya know what I mean. And I was wondering why the plastic men had guns ready built into their arms :s

I think it was really good. The only fault I found was that the Doctor was a bit to 'goofy' if ya know what I mean. And I was wondering why the plastic men had guns ready built into their arms :s

This was obviously a planned invasion of Earth by the molten plastic blob. And The Doctor is supposed to be goofy, just look at the classics and you'll see they were all goofy, in their special way. John Pertwee espescially, but I only think that because he kinda looks like a walking corpse.

I also can't figure out why the Autons had guns in their arms, but then I never did know that. The Nestene conciousness was pretty cool, too, just a good mix between excellent FX and cheesy FX. Should probably watch way loads of the old shows so I can actually understand stuff :p

Ecclestone is a great Doctor, I think. He's good for the role, as we saw already he could go between cheeky and friendly to rather angry in very little time. Indeed the Doctor was almost schizo it seemed :p

Could do with being longer, but that's only because it felt less like 45 minutes and more like 20...

Being attacked by a wheely bin might just be a bit too silly, though. :p

All in all, thumbs up, however! (Though I don't have any nostalgia regarding the old seasons figuring into my judgement.)

I also can't figure out why the Autons had guns in their arms, but then I never did know that. The Nestene conciousness was pretty cool, too, just a good mix between excellent FX and cheesy FX. Should probably watch way loads of the old shows so I can actually understand stuff :p

Ecclestone is a great Doctor, I think. He's good for the role, as we saw already he could go between cheeky and friendly to rather angry in very little time. Indeed the Doctor was almost schizo it seemed :p

Could do with being longer, but that's only because it felt less like 45 minutes and more like 20...

Being attacked by a wheely bin might just be a bit too silly, though. :p

All in all, thumbs up, however! (Though I don't have any nostalgia regarding the old seasons figuring into my judgement.)


The wheely bin was cool.....Not ridiculous at all! Especially when it burped :)

This was obviously a planned invasion of Earth by the molten plastic blob. And The Doctor is supposed to be goofy, just look at the classics and you'll see they were all goofy, in their special way. John Pertwee espescially, but I only think that because he kinda looks like a walking corpse.

I cant notice it that much in the old Doctors. How could they have replaced ALL of the plastic manikins(sp?) with guns? I suppose it was supposed to be unrealistic :D

wheely bin was cheesy, guns WTF. blob was good, i was worried they would have changed the TARDIS, and the next episode looks a bit more cheesy with those aliens.
also, that girl not noticing her boyfriends had been replaced by plastic was a bit corny.

and billy pipers lips were like wacko jacko's nose
and is it only shown in the UK, or have the americans got it.

I thought it was brilliant but it's a shame you don't see the events leading to his regeneration. And I think Billie Piper's crap at acting. Terrible thing to blight on the new series I know, but that's what I thought. Christopher Ecclestone's fantastic, they couldn't have picked someone better in my opinion.

I thought Billy Piper did well also

wheely bin was cheesy, guns WTF. blob was good, i was worried they would have changed the TARDIS, and the next episode looks a bit more cheesy with those aliens.
also, that girl not noticing her boyfriends had been replaced by plastic was a bit corny.

and is it only shown in the UK, or have the americans got it.

It'll probably be snapped up by them if it is succesful over here - and it probably will be.

I thought it was great fun. I was sure they were gonna mess it up but it was silly enough to be Dr Who but not ridiculous. Just good light entertainment but nively different from the others. I'll keep watching it.

Saw the ending during dinner.
A stupid Doctor. Oh dear.
Billie Piper...she's an ex-singer right? Well as long as she sticks to children's tv she'll be fine.

What is it with the cinematography? They had this stupid run over the bridge, and the filming looked amateurish pretty much throughout all I saw.
Couple that with good FX and you have nothing more than a weird combo.

I won't be leaving for the tv early to catch it.

darn it, only 14, i thought it would be a 25 pager, i supose it takes a while to sink into the american TV

That was the most ridiculous peice of sci-fi i've ever seen. Fantastic stuff! I hope they keep it up! :)

I'm not fan of Billie Piper, I can assure you, but I don't think she did too badly.

It was better than I expected. Billy Piper was wooden, but wtf? The Doctor's sidekick isn't there to act. They're there to run around, and engage with the enemy while looking good. The dummy's guns were random, but I suspect that was deliberate - there were a lot of nods to the logical disjuncts of the old series (Daleks can traverse the galaxy, but can't climb stairs anyone?).

Lots of running around, lots of quizzical moments from the Doctor. Rubbish background music.

Anyway, the acid test: Doctor Who isn't aimed at adults. I used to like the old series when I was a kid, but I wouldn't bother watching them now. I watched today's show with my eight-year old and she was impressed. She liked the characters, but thought the Doctor wierd and crazy. She was scared, but not so scared she couldn't stop watching (the cushion was gladly taken, but not used). All as it should be.

You know all these disabled ramps being put up. It's all just a plan preparing for the Daleks. They have our world leaders under control.

You know all these disabled ramps being put up. It's all just a plan preparing for the Daleks. They have our world leaders under control.
Don't forget the Stena stairlifts for those hard-to-reach nooks and crannies and Thora Hird's uncanny resemblance to Davros.

Pros:
Tasteful remix of the most perfect theme tune ever.
The new Doctor is fantastic, quirky, fun and funny.
The daft plots are back.
Doesn't take itself too seriously. That'd ruin the entire point of Dr. Who.

Cons:
Music during the actual program was so-so. Military marches when the TARDIS first disappears?
The burping bin.
Billie Piper's "common" accent.
Billie Piper's "wh-wh-what?" scared stutter.
Rose's mum.

I liked it, all in all. Not entirely convinced that the Doctor's occasional air of the village idiot is really appropriate - he sometimes seemed to be mildly retarded - but perhaps it'll grow on me.

Did anyone else get flashbacks to the Holy Grail charge scene during that interminable struggle at the end?

It'll probably be snapped up by them if it is succesful over here - and it probably will be.

The BBC owns it, the US companies can't do jack!

Apparently the Sci-Fi channel was offered American broadcast rights, and rejected them. Also, the new Daleks can fly.

Apparently the Sci-Fi channel was offered American broadcast rights, and rejected them. Also, the new Daleks can fly.

Lame.

How great it was, the actor was perfect for the role. and the supporting was ok.
label your pros n cons. i had a few but it would ruin it
Dude, WTF??? :confused:

Apparently the Sci-Fi channel was offered American broadcast rights, and rejected them. Also, the new Daleks can fly.

That was always the explanation of how Dalek's go up stairs. They have hover jet things.

Ooh, Doctor Who, I watched that tonight. I remember happy days being scared stiff at five years old or so…

…but the flying Dalek thing sounds very dodgy. I mean, surely their great weakness was that they couldn't get up stairs? Plus, they looked too clumsy to fly.

I enjoyed it (though I saw it 2-3 weeks ago :p ).
The new themes quite good, and the new TARDIS looks pretty.
The Autons always had guns in their hands, otherwise they're not very well armed. Can't take over a planet without arms!
Also, the Daleks have been shown to go up stairs in an earlier episode (Rememberance of the Daleks) so stairs aint a problem. Flying Daleks could be cool, as long as its done well.
Looking forward to later stories. Doctor Who 'til June, WOOHOO! :D

Dude, WTF??? :confused:
It's a (very) British thing. ;)

Wow. A bit (lot) off topic here. But Liskeinland and L-Rouge both joined at the same time and have exactly the same amount of posts. (At the time of my writing this)

I didn't like Billie much either. (Just to have some Doctor Who content in the post)

Dude, WTF??? :confused:

I don't know you terribly well, but I have a feeling you'd quite like Doctor Who :p

No idea why Sci-Fi would fail to have grabbed it. They have to know how awesome it had the possibility to be, so they should have at least kept their options open (Though maybe they did, I don't know the details.).

Don't forget the Stena stairlifts for those hard-to-reach nooks and crannies and Thora Hird's uncanny resemblance to Davros.

Ah - but you forget* the fact that Daleks can hover up stairs was firmly established in canon not only in Revelation Of The Daleks but also in Remembrance Of The Daleks.





* or aren't enough of a nerd to know these things, which seems more likely.

I cant notice it that much in the old Doctors. How could they have replaced ALL of the plastic manikins(sp?) with guns? I suppose it was supposed to be unrealistic :D

The thing is that we entered this story in mid-flow - notice how it was called 'Rose' and is shown from her perspective? Looking back at the Nestene Consciousness's earlier appearance in Spearhead From Space we can see that it has obviously taken over plastic moulding factories and equipped the Autons with their handguns: it isn't a case of replacing, its a case of making them that way from the start.

How great it was, the actor was perfect for the role. and the supporting was ok.
label your pros n cons. i had a few but it would ruin it

Overall I'm impressed: yeah, it had some problems but I definitely think it stands up very well against a random 45 mintues of any other Doctor's. I liked Eccleston in the role : he reminded me of McGann from some of the Big Finish Audios with his childish enthusiasm and flitting from the serious to the trivial moment by moment.

It's kind of weird in that it was trying to cover three different target markets at the same time: kids who hadn't experienced the series before, the established fans and also adults who had some passing knowledge of the series. As to whether it succeeds in holding onto the three only time will tell.

I liked it, all in all. Not entirely convinced that the Doctor's occasional air of the village idiot is really appropriate - he sometimes seemed to be mildly retarded - but perhaps it'll grow on me.


Unlike the village idiot moments experienced by Hartnell, Troughton, Baker and Baker?

Ah - but you forget* the fact that Daleks can hover up stairs was firmly established in canon not only in Revelation Of The Daleks but also in Remembrance Of The Daleks.





* or aren't enough of a nerd to know these things, which seems more likely.
Is it also established in the canon how many Daleks can dance* on the head of a pin, or must that be derived from first principles?



*Do Daleks dance? And if they do, do they tend to the line dance or mosh pit school?

"Lots of planets have a North!"

Pretty cool. Got to love that low-budget goodness, didn't really like the CG though. Simon Pegg's in a later episode though, so I'm definitely going to keep watching it.

That was always the explanation of how Dalek's go up stairs. They have hover jet things.
in the original series some of the daleks had hover things, they featured in the full black/white movie-lengh episode but the normal ones didn't. funnily enough a freinds-parents-friend was the head dalek on the original.

Is it also established in the canon how many Daleks can dance* on the head of a pin, or must that be derived from first principles?



*Do Daleks dance? And if they do, do they tend to the line dance or mosh pit school?

Ah, that would be an ecumenical matter.

Pros: I enjoyed it.

Cons: I happened to watch 28 days later afterwards. The doctor is an evil army loon!

Ah, that would be an ecumenical matter.

LOL!! :D
hmmm..... I don't think I've ever typed that before.

Is there any pop culture you're not well versed in BWO?
(that was from father ted, right?)

It was good, but some bits felt a bit cliched...I got the feeling that the scriptwriters were short on ideas more than once...Also, watching it now at the age of 17, instead of about 12 or whatever when I last saw it puts it in a whole new light.

"Lots of planets have a North!"

Pretty cool. Got to love that low-budget goodness, didn't really like the CG though. Simon Pegg's in a later episode though, so I'm definitely going to keep watching it.

It's the most expensive British TV series production to date, costing over £10 million.

I think the best dalek story is The Power of The Daleks (second doctor). In that one you really got to understand that the daleks aren't supposed to be just Davros' lackeys but intelligent and evil creatures by themselves - in this story, one dalek manages to destroy an entire planetary colony through manipulation of the authorities.

Thought it was pretty good.....I haven't held on to Doctor Who religiously since Colin Baker with Peter Davidson being my favourite (which i would have been around 9 year old I think), Certainly think that Ecclestone has the ability and has shown enough so far to suggest that he will be the best since Pete.

Longton, if you think Christopher was crazed in 28 days later go watch Shallow Grave (fantastic). He's always been an actor i've admired never seen him in anything and though that's rubbish....Shallow Grave, 28 days later, Cracker and anything else beyond that.....

I thought Billi was ok....was expecting worse so may have softened the blow....I liked the explaination of the northern accent....i've set the sky+ for it on series link anyhow and looking forward to more....

Who is your favourite doctor??

Didn't like the lack of re-generation but it was always going to be difficult (is mcgann an official doctor? or should it be sylester mccoy?)

Who is your favourite doctor??

Despite the fact that I grew up with the tail end of the Tom Baker and the start of the Davison era, I have to say Troughton for this one.

Didn't like the lack of re-generation but it was always going to be difficult (is mcgann an official doctor? or should it be sylester mccoy?)

Yes, McGann is still an official Doctor, but Richard E Grant who was announced as the 'official' ninth Doctor a few years ago by the BBC when they did a webcast with him has been relegated to an alternative reality

What about Peter Cushing? does he belong in that alternate reality?

I think the best dalek story is The Power of The Daleks (second doctor). In that one you really got to understand that the daleks aren't supposed to be just Davros' lackeys but intelligent and evil creatures by themselves - in this story, one dalek manages to destroy an entire planetary colony through manipulation of the authorities.
Power was good, but I preferred Evil of the Daleks, the Emperor has such a great voice. Shame they were both deleated...

Favourite Doctor would have to be Troughton, cosmic hobo's are great, followed by McCoy. I think he's under-rated, and his later stuff was good. Shame they cancelled the series just as it was getting interesting (Ghostlight any one!).

So, who's your favourite bad guy?

What about Peter Cushing? does he belong in that alternate reality?

He always was a somewhat alternate Doctor - after all he was a human being who invented the Tardis rather than an alien (or possibly half-alien) who 'borrowed'/stole one.

What about Peter Cushing? does he belong in that alternate reality?
Definately alternate. The films were just colour re-makes of the first two Dalek stories (The Mutants, or The Daleks and The Dalek Invasion of Earth). Also Cushings' Doctor was human, not Gallifreyan(sp)

(Ghostlight any one!).

Ghostlight indeed - one of the best first episodes to a serial in years there, shame the second episode doesn't quite fulfill its promise, and that the third just kind of tailed off. One of the few late period DWs that had me shouting 'what the fuck?' in a good way.

So, who's your favourite bad guy?

Yartek, leader of the Alien Voord.

He always was a somewhat alternate Doctor - after all he was a human being who invented the Tardis rather than an alien (or possibly half-alien) who 'borrowed'/stole one.

That cleared that up....kinda...

My fav bad guys were the cybermen!!

(The Mutants, or The Daleks...)

Or even, possibly, The Dead Planet.

Or even, possibly, The Dead Planet.
So...many...names...for...just...one...story...

Thats better. And yes, you're right (bugger missed that one :mad: ).

Yartek. Interesting choice. Guess you enjoyed Keys of Marinus (or at least I hope so :eek: ). So, why the Voord?

Yartek. Interesting choice. Guess you enjoyed Keys of Marinus (or at least I hope so :eek: ). So, why the Voord?

Wilfull obscurity - also the phrase 'Yartek, leader of the Alien Voord' has just stuck with me from my early childhood. Some more serious suggestions? How about: early (Tenth Planet/Wheel In Space) Cybermen, Ice Warriors, Yeti...

Worst Doctor: Pertwee. Colin Baker would have beaten him if it weren't for having heard him in the Big Finish Audios - stripped of the dreadful 80s visuals and JNT's bullshit, he actually makes a very good Doctor.

Wilfull obscurity - also the phrase 'Yartek, leader of the Alien Voord' has just stuck with me from my early childhood. Some more serious suggestions? How about: early (Tenth Planet/Wheel In Space) Cybermen, Ice Warriors, Yeti...
Tenth Planet Cybermen were quite good, shame the actors couldn't keep their mouths open for as long as it took Skelton to do the lines though...worked very well in Wheel and Tomb though. My sister used to have nightmares after she first saw Tomb, the Cyber-Controller at the end of ep2? "You belong to us. You shall be like us!", excellent.
The early Ice Warriors were fun too, shame they ruined in the Pertwee era :(
Can't say much on the Yeti, have only seen one episode of Abominable Snowmen (all thats left :( ) and clips from Web of Fear.
Have you heard the Big Finish Audio Spare Parts? If not I heartily recommend it, how the Cybermen began. The final words are haunting...

"You belong to us. You shall be like us!", excellent.

I guess I needn't point out how much ofa 'borrowing' the Borg were to you then?

Can't say much on the Yeti, have only seen one episode of Abominable Snowmen (all thats left :( ) and clips from Web of Fear.

I probably picked up a liking for them from reading the Target novelisations as a kid.

Have you heard the Big Finish Audio Spare Parts? If not I heartily recommend it, how the Cybermen began. The final words are haunting...

The scene with the daughter returning to visit her family after she had been 'equipped' for life topside had me quite literally on the edge of tears. For some reason the final words of the play escape me; stick them in with spoiler tags to remind me, would you?

The scene with the daughter returning to visit her family after she had been 'equipped' for life topside had me quite literally on the edge of tears. For some reason the final words of the play escape me; stick them in with spoiler tags to remind me, would you?
Spoiler...

So Doctor-Man, we begin again...

Spoiler...

Hope that works :p

Hope that works :p

Ah, yes.

Wilfull obscurity - also the phrase 'Yartek, leader of the Alien Voord' has just stuck with me from my early childhood. Some more serious suggestions? How about: early (Tenth Planet/Wheel In Space) Cybermen, Ice Warriors, Yeti...

Worst Doctor: Pertwee. Colin Baker would have beaten him if it weren't for having heard him in the Big Finish Audios - stripped of the dreadful 80s visuals and JNT's bullshit, he actually makes a very good Doctor.
The Cybermen and the Yeti were the only monsters that actually scared me. I would refuse to stay in the room if there was any likelihood of the Cybermen appearing on screen. It was something to do with them never making a sound and being completely expressionless.

My favourite monsters at the time were of course the Daleks, on the grounds that:
(a) I had a much prized toy Dalek that I had picked up at a jumble sale;
(b) me and my mates could both imitate their voice and their falling off cliffs (at the local quarry); and
(c) they killed their enemies in the most fantastic way: by using a primitive form of freeze-frame and negative black and white images. Talk about special FX!

(c) they killed their enemies in the most fantastic way: by using a primitive form of freeze-frame and negative black and white images. Talk about special FX!
The weird thing is, is that it worked so well! (or at least I thought so...).
I always thought the black and white Whos' were the scariest anyway, might just be the lack of colour but whatever, the wobbily sets never bothered me (though they weren't as bad as people say!). The only colour one that frightened me was Curse of Fenric with the Haemovores(sp?), couldn't sleep for a week! :D

The weird thing is, is that it worked so well! (or at least I thought so...).
I always thought the black and white Whos' were the scariest anyway, might just be the lack of colour but whatever, the wobbily sets never bothered me (though they weren't as bad as people say!). The only colour one that frightened me was Curse of Fenric with the Haemovores(sp?), couldn't sleep for a week! :D
I don't know about you, but I'm old enough (just) to recall the first season, and the thing about the Dalek deaths was that there was nothing else like them on TV at the time. They just conveyed the whole thing about being 'zapped by aliens' in a really convincing way.

I don't think I ever saw Doctor Who in colour until the new series. Our family only ever had black and white TVs, and those only intermitently.

I don't know about you, but I'm old enough (just) to recall the first season, and the thing about the Dalek deaths was that there was nothing else like them on TV at the time. They just conveyed the whole thing about being 'zapped by aliens' in a really convincing way.

I don't think I ever saw Doctor Who in colour until the new series. Our family only ever had black and white TVs, and those only intermitently.
Fair enough.

I'm an 80's kid (pity me :( ) so my first Doctor was the sixth, but only spotty memories. First one I remeber is McCoy, probably why I like him, hmmm.
My parents used to watch it as kids and they got me into it, I know more about now than they do, lol!
As I said tho, I think the b&w ones were great, its just a shame the beeb wiped so many of 'em :mad:

As I said tho, I think the b&w ones were great, its just a shame the beeb wiped so many of 'em :mad:

Technically burnt or binned them, however it is miraculous that they even now still keep reappearing, but I highly doubt that there are going to be many more returns, unless of course GWB's search for missing episodes in Iraq and Iran comes to fruition.