NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.ambiguous.org/archive.php3/2005/03/24#robin2005324.1

The abstinence/creationist crowd in Texas already control what your child learn in ANY state. Devious way they did it too.

They already gotten rid of sex ed and evolution is on the way.

Psh. Only in America. I'm glad I'm English.

A while ago a friend of mine said he rather be dead than a student in America. I told him he was being extreme. Now, however, I am inclined to agree. If any religious school boards find their way into Britain and try to force their lies upon our kids, I'll personally beat them to death with their bibles, I swear it. If there's one thing I find it hard to tolerate, it's religion. Even worse than that is religion that finds a way to invade another part of society, i.e. education or politics etc.

WEll they do make jesus cry, and
jesus crying = flooding, so to extrapolate

We make jesus cry so much these days = the cause of global warming.

So we make jesus cry less by banning these nasty things, the water will dry up into space and make the oceans shrink and loads of new land will apear that we can live on

Psh. Only in America. I'm glad I'm English.

A while ago a friend of mine said he rather be dead than a student in America. I told him he was being extreme. Now, however, I am inclined to agree. If any religious school boards find their way into Britain and try to force their lies upon our kids, I'll personally beat them to death with their bibles, I swear it. If there's one thing I find it hard to tolerate, it's religion. Even worse than that is religion that finds a way to invade another part of society, i.e. education or politics etc.

Same here. As long as Canada doesn't become completely overrun, I'm happy.

The US has been like this since it was created. Look at who founded it!

Why do they cling to "abstinence only". It never worked, and never will work. They must be living in the 50's or something. Furthermore, abstinence-only doesn't help them learn about any of the real issues surrounding sex, such as pregnancy, STD, birth control, etc. But then again, what to expect from Texas (except maybe Austin. They're cool. That's where Office Space was filmed)

Why do they cling to "abstinence only". It never worked, and never will work. They must be living in the 50's or something. Furthermore, abstinence-only doesn't help them learn about any of the real issues surrounding sex, such as pregnancy, STD, birth control, etc. But then again, what to expect from Texas (except maybe Austin. They're cool. That's where Office Space was filmed)

They are living in the '50s, you're right..... the 1350s!!! :headbang:

And California sets automobile emissions standards. Big whoop.

They are living in the '50s, you're right..... the 1350s!!!

Well, that's Bush's slogan:
"Building a bridge to the 14th century"

Ugh. This really is disgusting...
Do they really think they're going to raise a group of Puritans in this day and age, who just want to read alloud from the Bible and never, ever have sex?
I'm actually physically ill over this, this is just sad. RELIGION IS NOT THE FACE OF THE COUNTRY!
Caught up in the 1500s... well, Hillary Clinton is a successful female politician - the least they could do is burn her at the stake for witchcraft.

First, Texas doesn't set the National standard for textbooks, only for a few states that elect to use their recommendations.

Second, Texas isn't exactly #1 in religiosity. Houston's #2 for homosexual population, I believe. Also, the texts approved by the Texas board have been criticized for being too liberal in a number of areas, specifically history and literature.. so whatever connection someone's trying to make between abstinence and creationism, I don't see it.

Also, citing a blog as a source? Not a good idea.

I'm very impressed with the professional journalistic nature of the site. :rolleyes:

By the way: BERT IS EVIL! http://www.bertisevil.tv/

Since he worked with Public TV, PBS are a bunch of whoring satanists.

Please. :p

Anyone else here actually take a "sex-ed" course since Bush has been elected? I did, and it wasn't "abstinence-only," unless you count the teacher reminding us that abstinence is the only guaranteed way to avoid pregnancy (no kidding).

Well, my sexual education teacher informed my class that condoms were only effective 50% of the time and didn't prevent HIV.

Yay!

Well, Americans, you voted for this.

Well, my sexual education teacher informed my class that condoms were only effective 50% of the time and didn't prevent HIV.

Yay!
What the hell? Abstinence-only education also includes lying about the alternatives?

The last time I took a sex-ed class was over ten years ago. There were no textbooks, just videos. There was a lot of laughing at the erecting cartoon penises and everyone was offered the chance to leave. I'm the only one that stayed. As a result I learned that the safest form of sex is lesbian sex.

Here's the story, linked in the blog, that covers the issue much more thoroughly. (http://www.metroland.net/back_issues/vol28_no12/features.html)

One...not all Americans are ignorant types who voted for Bush so carefull what you say.

Two...Yes, many textbooks are published in Texas. World History books, Algebra, Health, and yes I wonder what biases make their way into our classrooms.

Don't worry, the second I let ANYTHING from Texas change my perspective on life, I will personally bash myself in the head with an ouchy-stick.

Well, my sex-ed classes involved a lot of movies where pathetic teary-eyed people face the camera and sob, "I had unprotected sex and it ruined my life!", and only kicks I remember were trying to cage the teacher into explaining what protected sex was. I still carry fond memories of how her face colored up when one girl asked about oral sex. The only thing she would say about it was that if you had open sores in your mouth you would get AIDS, like the magical Abstinence Fairy comes down and makes your life miserable in inexplicable ways whenever you drop your pants.

If anyone thinks they're actually protecting their children from anything here, they deserve everything the Abstinence Fairy can dish out. Every year, more newly-weds do it up the ass because no one ever told them different and they didn't watch enough cable.

Sad, sad, sad.

Why do they cling to "abstinence only". It never worked, and never will work. They must be living in the 50's or something. Furthermore, abstinence-only doesn't help them learn about any of the real issues surrounding sex, such as pregnancy, STD, birth control, etc. But then again, what to expect from Texas (except maybe Austin. They're cool. That's where Office Space was filmed)

Top 40 things you'll never hear in Texas: (http://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum10/02-2001/012197.html)

'40. Oh, I just couldn't, she's only 16...'

The cousin of a friend of mine in Texas got pregnant at 13. The whole family was excited about it, even threw her a baby shower. And then they found out the baby was black...

If they'd just invest in a little real education and some genuine sex ed maybe they wouldn't have such a huge population of rural poor breeding like rabbits because no one will tell them how to use a condom.

One...not all Americans are ignorant types who voted for Bush so carefull what you say.

Two...Yes, many textbooks are published in Texas. World History books, Algebra, Health, and yes I wonder what biases make their way into our classrooms.

Don't worry, the second I let ANYTHING from Texas change my perspective on life, I will personally bash myself in the head with an ouchy-stick.

Take a look at the book History on Trial. It was written by the people who were commissioned to write the history standards and then had to face the politicians who were worried about teaching patriotism, market deregulation, and the glory of war. They complain briefly about liberal interest groups who try to use it to teach racial tolerance and environmentalism, but these groups weren't nearly as influential as the conservative brain launderers.

One of the biggest factors was the fact that Texas has a state wide school board so if they reject a textbook from a publishing company then the company won't bother printing it, so few books get published if Texas won't approve it because it's such a big market that buys in a block.

You need to wonder...Why are we letting Texas run the United States? Texas of all places? Wasn't this nation's capital in DC? And didn't the people of DC vote against Bush and abstinence-only sex-ed?

Wha?

What the hell? Abstinence-only education also includes lying about the alternatives?


yep

My parents didn't allow me to learn sex ed in school. They aren't religious or retarded, they just didn't want some person with eccentric views forcing their beliefs onto me.

Also, i learn enough about sex from the internet.(j/k)

My parents didn't allow me to learn sex ed in school. They aren't religious or retarded, they just didn't want some person with eccentric views forcing their beliefs onto me.

That I can understand.

Also, i learn enough about sex from the internet.(j/k)
With much better pictures too!

There is only one solution: bomb Texas

Psh. Only in America. I'm glad I'm English.

A while ago a friend of mine said he rather be dead than a student in America. I told him he was being extreme. Now, however, I am inclined to agree. If any religious school boards find their way into Britain and try to force their lies upon our kids, I'll personally beat them to death with their bibles, I swear it. If there's one thing I find it hard to tolerate, it's religion. Even worse than that is religion that finds a way to invade another part of society, i.e. education or politics etc. Er… there already are religious schools here in Britain.

Oh, and try tolerance, it's supposed to be us religious ones who are intolerant.

Most interesting comments by all. I happen to be a resident of Texas studying to become a teacher of 4th through 8th grade students. (10 - 14 year olds). The comments regarding Blacks above was stereotypical ignorance by the writer. His/her comments are more stereotypical of The South of which Texas has a tenuous link at best. Never-the-less they are stereotypical with little resemblence to an educated truth. Oh well... keep your pathetic generalizations as your truth.

The writer who commented on the power of Texas as a purchaser of text books seems most accurate. We do try to educate our youth here in the black hole of society regardless of the elitism of our fellow NationStates players. None the less. Amerika and Texas are in a stranglehold of Right Wing Republican induced Conservatism as the choice of my ignorant fellow citizens. We choose to be ignorant. Unfortunately we also choose to be arogant.

(And yet we bash the French for our sins). Silly.

What is missing in this whole conversation is the role and responsibility of our parents. We want to blame the Government vis a vis the School system for the lack of responsibility of our pathetic lazy parents. Whose role is it to teach our children?

I am a Radical Pacifist who will defend your right to bear arms. I am against Abortion but feel that it is not the role of my Government to regulate an ethical choice. I wear Cowboy boots because they are comfortable and compliment my Tye Dye shirts. And I like in the hill country where I am blocks from the nearest deer, possums, and racoons: wildlife many urbanites never get to see.

So it goes... I do not blame my government; teachers; parents; nor mates for that I find lacking. Rather I seek solutions to the topic at hand. Bashing the State of Texas with stereotypical tripe proves a lack of insight to the solutions of the perceived problem. Initiating a propsal of action to stimulate popular opinion and sway Governmental direction takes more work.

Mikeswill
Austin Texas

BA in Political Science & History
Minor in Economics

Pacifist ~ Hippy ~ Radical
And NASCAR Fan

Come to Texas and feel Loved

Toodles

Oh, and try tolerance, it's supposed to be us religious ones who are intolerant....supposed?

Only the religious put forth the "you're intolerant of us being intolerant" argument. It is not intolerance to oppose the insertion of religious beliefs into secular institutions, such as education. The nonreligious (irreligious? ;)) are quite happy to tolerate religion, as long as we're not forced to live according to its precepts.

Most interesting comments by all. I happen to be a resident of Texas studying to become a teacher of 4th through 8th grade students. (10 - 14 year olds). The comments regarding Blacks above was stereotypical ignorance by the writer. His/her comments are more stereotypical of The South of which Texas has a tenuous link at best. Never-the-less they are stereotypical with little resemblence to an educated truth. Oh well... keep your pathetic generalizations as your truth.

The writer who commented on the power of Texas as a purchaser of text books seems most accurate. We do try to educate our youth here in the black hole of society regardless of the elitism of our fellow NationStates players. None the less. Amerika and Texas are in a stranglehold of Right Wing Republican induced Conservatism as the choice of my ignorant fellow citizens. We choose to be ignorant. Unfortunately we also choose to be arogant.

(And yet we bash the French for our sins). Silly.

What is missing in this whole conversation is the role and responsibility of our parents. We want to blame the Government vis a vis the School system for the lack of responsibility of our pathetic lazy parents. Whose role is it to teach our children?

I am a Radical Pacifist who will defend your right to bear arms. I am against Abortion but feel that it is not the role of my Government to regulate an ethical choice. I wear Cowboy boots because they are comfortable and compliment my Tye Dye shirts. And I like in the hill country where I am blocks from the nearest deer, possums, and racoons: wildlife many urbanites never get to see.

So it goes... I do not blame my government; teachers; parents; nor mates for that I find lacking. Rather I seek solutions to the topic at hand. Bashing the State of Texas with stereotypical tripe proves a lack of insight to the solutions of the perceived problem. Initiating a propsal of action to stimulate popular opinion and sway Governmental direction takes more work.

Mikeswill
Austin Texas

BA in Political Science & History
Minor in Economics

Pacifist ~ Hippy ~ Radical
And NASCAR Fan

Come to Texas and feel Loved

Toodles

Well spoken.

Anyone else here actually take a "sex-ed" course since Bush has been elected? I did, and it wasn't "abstinence-only," unless you count the teacher reminding us that abstinence is the only guaranteed way to avoid pregnancy (no kidding).

Yep. It was spring, 1991. :D

Ha!
I've done a fair bit of research on this topic, and the only sure way to prevent STDs and pregnancy is abstainance!













But that's boring. Who wants to do that (other than me?)? Very few people is who. So guess what? It is the duty of the nation to best educate their children in a risky venture. Condoms are about 95% effective in stopping STDs, and since the HIV cells are of moderate size, they generally get stopped. Diaphrams, IUDs and other inter vaginal anti pregnancy measures work like dreams. Almost an 80% to 99% protection rate. When coupled with spermicidal gelly or birthcontrol...Neigh 100% the perfect pregnancy stopper.

But, I read a study recentely that people that take oaths of abstainance in the US are more likely to have sex than those that don't :P They seem to interpret anal and oral sex as something that is not sex. :eek:

that's funny

i must say, however, that i don't quite believe the entirity of this text except that bert is evil. this cannot be disputed past the evidence.

on a note of interest, i find it amusing that secularism does not acknowledge its own existence. (except in philosophy classes i've taken) I find it difficult to tell people that its ok to believe certain things only so long as they are not poliltically active enough to vote on thier basis. Unless they vote against their beliefs- something i cannot personally advocate.

under a democracy, either good will come out in the end (and change comes slowly because there are dissenting opinions- this is a good thing) or the people must have become so dispondant that they do not want nor deserve the greatest good.

But, dispite what i hear every day on BBC radio, America is still a democracy

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

If God is just, I tremble for my country.
Thomas Jefferson

In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Every generation needs a new revolution.
Thomas Jefferson

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson

TJ always seems to have a quote for situations like this :)