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How do you insert a picture? was gonna put the poster of BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU - if you wanna see it its on my flag.

im 14, and I just Finished 1984. I dont fully understand the ending, but I think I comprehend most of it. Just wanted to show this pic and remind you guys who REALLY created the picture of a true Toltarian society - Orwell

I knew it. I just knew it. Through the computer right? The monitor is two-way.

Seriously, a true classic. Good for you for reading it. :cool:

I've been wanting to read that book since I was 10, and just never did. :headbang:

Good for you. :)

This board is my personal Room 101.

1984 was ther first book I cried at. The ending was sad.

I can admit that. I cry during good movies.

He can't see me.

If you want another Orwell book with a similar message that's easier to understand, try animal farm.

Same basic ideas, only written in the form of a children's book.

i've been meaning to read that as well.

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How do you insert a picture? was gonna put the poster of BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU - if you wanna see it its on my flag.

im 14, and I just Finished 1984. I dont fully understand the ending, but I think I comprehend most of it. Just wanted to show this pic and remind you guys who REALLY created the picture of a true Toltarian society - Orwell

Orwell was a genius, I recommend you read either homage to Catalonia, or animal farm next, probably his other two most brilliant works, then maybe Kafka and you’ll see how shit our society is getting and how it needs changed. (i was about your age when i read it to and it changed my life)

Any who the point of the end is that they finally broke him and got inside his mind, it did not matter if they killed him or not at that point (i think they did) because he was broken along with all hope of the party being ousted, just my outlook on the end but meh.

Orwell was a genius, I recommend you read either homage to Catalonia, or animal farm next, probably his other two most brilliant works, then maybe Kafka and you’ll see how shit our society is getting and how it needs changed. (i was about your age when i read it to and it changed my life)

Any who the point of the end is that they finally broke him and got inside his mind, it did not matter if they killed him or not at that point (i think they did) because he was broken along with all hope of the party being ousted, just my outlook on the end but meh.

I read that once! In about an hour (I was speed reading to find a certain reference), don't remember much of it now. As for 1984, never really cared for it that much...

I read that once! In about an hour (I was speed reading to find a certain reference), don't remember much of it now. As for 1984, never really cared for it that much...

It the book that turned him against communism and was allmost certainly the inspiration for 1984 and animal farm, it all about him going off to fight for the popular front in the spanish civil war, and all the adventures he has fighting the facists, he then gets wounded and gets out of hospital just in time for the communist coup the basically lot them the war, and manges to get out of the country before it all goes shits up.

There really is an man in that book who inspired me called Jorge Kopp, Dutch captain who deserts the army to fight in the Spanish civil war, and commits numerous acts of heroisms for what he believes in knowing he can never go home, and is finally betrayed during the coup and left in the prison to die. I’ve never heard of a more heroic man.

That’s the kind of socialist i strive to be.

I liked 1984 better than Animal Farm... but I'd also recommend Capek's "R.U.R". I just read it a few months ago, and even the translated version is very, very good. Deals with mankind in a utopian society, and the problems of being free of want and not having to work (due to the free labor of robots). And (get this!) it was written 100 years ago!

As others are recommending books similar to 1984 (which is a good idea), I join the endorsements of Animal Farm (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451526341/ref=pd_sim_b_3/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance).

Also:
Colson Whitehead, The Intuitionist (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385493002/qid=1111844005/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-7229765-1727302)
Aldous Huxley, Brave New World (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060929871/102-7229765-1727302)
Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age : Or, a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553380966/qid=1111844232/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-7229765-1727302)
Chinua Achebe, Things Fall Apart (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385474547/qid=1111844069/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7229765-1727302?v=glance&s=books)
Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0440180295/ref=pd_sim_b_5/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance), Player Piano (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385333781/qid=1111843234/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/102-7229765-1727302?v=glance&s=books), or Cat's Cradle (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/038533348X/ref=pd_sim_b_1/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)
Anthony Burgess, Clockwork Orange (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393312836/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)
Albert Camus, The Stranger (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679720200/qid=1111843871/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-7229765-1727302)
Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553211757/ref=pd_sim_b_6/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0451527097/qid=1111844158/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-7229765-1727302)

Sorry the list is long. I kept thinking of ones I couldn't leave out. These are all great books -- great literature -- with compelling messages.

Just wanted to show this pic and remind you guys who REALLY created the picture of a true Toltarian society - Orwell

I think you mean Yevgeny Zamyatin, no? The author of the book We, written in 1922, which served as the blueprint for 1984 - even Orwell admitted this influence.

I just finished 1984, Animal Farm, and Jennifer Government. I have We sitting right next to me and planning on reading it next then after that, A Brave New World.

As others are recommending books similar to 1984 (which is a good idea), I join the endorsements of Animal Farm (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451526341/ref=pd_sim_b_3/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance).


Anthony Burgess, Clockwork Orange (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393312836/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/102-7229765-1727302?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance)



Have you tried reading this is 99% made up words

How do you insert a picture? was gonna put the poster of BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU - if you wanna see it its on my flag.

im 14, and I just Finished 1984. I dont fully understand the ending, but I think I comprehend most of it. Just wanted to show this pic and remind you guys who REALLY created the picture of a true Toltarian society - Orwell
Congratulations on reading 1984 at your age.

In the ending, the two main characters have been successfullly brainwashed through a combination of psychological and physical torture. They finally surrender their wills and have come to "love" Big Brother.

Is that what you were having problems understanding about the ending? :)

Another great book to read: The Giver
Not sure of the author. My 12 year old nephew read it and loved it - said it was really sad and made him think. He gave me the book. It WAS sad - but also very moving. A great read for any age.

I just Finished 1984.

geez, talk about living in the past..

Orwell was a genius, I recommend you read either homage to Catalonia, or animal farm next, probably his other two most brilliant works, then maybe Kafka and you’ll see how shit our society is getting and how it needs changed. (i was about your age when i read it to and it changed my life)

Any who the point of the end is that they finally broke him and got inside his mind, it did not matter if they killed him or not at that point (i think they did) because he was broken along with all hope of the party being ousted, just my outlook on the end but meh.

This is solely my personal opinion, but I always interpreted the end to mean that the individual known as Winston Smith has been snuffed out, and that a fully "re-educated" shell that loves Big Brother is all that is left.

What destroyed him was threefold; the discovery that there was NEVER a Brotherhood, and that The Book was a construct by the Inner Party to entrap those who were not sufficiently programmed by the 24/7/365 propaganda fed them by the Telescreens, the discovery that he and Julia both sold each other out to save their skins, and that basically, he'd been programmed the whole time to rebel so that he could be made an example of. Object lessons keep the rest of society in line.

Another great book to read: The Giver
Not sure of the author. My 12 year old nephew read it and loved it - said it was really sad and made him think. He gave me the book. It WAS sad - but also very moving. A great read for any age.
Lowry, I thought....

Have you tried reading this is 99% made up words

I've read it. Many on the list are not easy reads. Some are.

Actually, I love Kafka, but I didn't put the The Trial on the list b/c its so difficult to digest.

Funny, I was recently passing through Dublin's north central city and I noticed a sign on a building informing me that the street was being watched by the Gardaí (police) on CCTV. Nice.

Have you tried reading this is 99% made up words
Don't get razdrez, me little droog, viddy this:
Perhaps Nadsat had a point?
It was rather interessovating, as it wasn't just chepooka, it had meaning. I'd go so far as to skazat that it became a dorogoy part of the raskazz in it's own right.

It was actually derived mostly from Russian, oddly enough.

http://soomka.com/nadsat.html

Don't get razdrez, me little droog, viddy this:
Perhaps Nadsat had a point?
It was rather interessovating, as it wasn't just chepooka, it had meaning. I'd go so far as to skazat that it became a dorogoy part of the raskazz in it's own right.

It was actually derived mostly from Russian, oddly enough.

http://soomka.com/nadsat.html

Cool. :cool:

Got a translator for James Joyce's Ulysses (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679722769/102-7229765-1727302). That's the one that always made my head hurt.

Got a translator for James Joyce's Ulysses (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679722769/102-7229765-1727302). That's the one that always made my head hurt.
Possibly (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0415138582/ref=cm_bg_d/103-4975779-8241460?v=glance).