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On this forum, Bush bashing has become an art form. So I want to know from you guys which cabinet member is the most popular?

Popular as in most attacked?

Probable Donald Rumsfeld. After all, he knew nothing about Abu Ghiraib.
Thanks Fox News!

BTW, sorry about the poll. Dick Cheneyo is supposed to be Dick Cheney.

I don't know, its kind of catchy. Sounds like some kind of weird greeting.

Colon Powell.

Personally, I'd have to say Donald Rumsfeld. I like his substance, but there's a whole group of like minded individuals out there. The sticking point is his style. He is a secretary of defense that takes crap from no one. He walks ten thousand steps every day, works standing up, and has a reputation as a hard and devout worker. His stamina is not bad for 72.
He is undoubtedly the man in charge of the military, something that no secretary of defense has done since Robert McNamarra. Also since McNamarra, he acts as secretary of state, and is probably the most influential defense secretary in foreign policy since Dick Cheney's tenure under Bush I. And unlike all of his predecessors, he has transformed a military that is traditionally hostile to civilian leadership. This guy is a political and administrative genius.

Colon Powell.
Yes, but he retired. Pick another one, please.

I've gotta say Bush himself.

True, he has done pretty well at that. Despite any flaws he has, I don't really have any problem with his leadership, despite being opposite him on the political spectrum.

True, he has done pretty well at that. Despite any flaws he has, I don't really have any problem with his leadership, despite being opposite him on the political spectrum.
I'm glad you can see past ideaological differences for that.

I try, since working together is the only way I think America can be kept great, and simply complaining solves nothing.

I try, since working together is the only way I think America can be kept great, and simply complaining solves nothing.
Good attitude. Lucky for me, I'm too young to remember the Clinton Administration, so I can't complain :p .

John Snow presents the news here, so he wins

Good attitude. Lucky for me, I'm too young to remember the Clinton Administration, so I can't complain :p .

...Too...young? Ah. Things become a little more clear now.

Colin Powell.

The man was the rational counterbalance to the Neo Conservative slanted Bush Administration and even endured having his reputation dragged through the mud because he was ordered to declare before the UN that Saddam did have nukes which was obviously proven false.

Now that he's gone, let Animal Farm: The Reality Show begin.

I voted for Rumsfeld. He seems intelligent in a twisted sort of way and I suspect that he would be interesting to talk to. Also, he has a sense of humor.
I'm too young to remember the Clinton Administration
Yikes! I remember the Nixon administration! I'm really getting too old for this.

Since Colin Powell resigned, I chose Condoleeza Rice. She's doing a great job as Secretary of State so far, and her ideology and way of doing things is MUCH BETTER than the neoconservative, hardline way of thinking. She has a direct line to the President, which has allowed her to rally the saner parts of Bush's administration while forcing the neocons out of positions of real power and influence [Bolton, Wolfowitz].

To sum things up, abroad she's respected and liked as a breath of fresh air, and in the Administration she's gaining sway.

...Too...young? Ah. Things become a little more clear now.
Well, I was a teen then. Not really interested in politics, and did not really care.

Since Colin Powell resigned, I chose Condoleeza Rice. She's doing a great job as Secretary of State so far, and her ideology and way of doing things is MUCH BETTER than the neoconservative, hardline way of thinking. She has a direct line to the President, which has allowed her to rally the saner parts of Bush's administration while forcing the neocons out of positions of real power and influence [Bolton, Wolfowitz].

To sum things up, abroad she's respected and liked as a breath of fresh air, and in the Administration she's gaining sway.
I have to give you that. Rice has been consolidating power left and right. But to be honests, both the neocons and the realists are close to Bush. I don't know how he could follow both. Maybe he just likes to have them around for certain positions. The neocons seem to do a good job with the military, for example. And the military is very hostile to change.

Yikes! I remember the Nixon administration! I'm really getting too old for this.
Nah. Several people on here remember the Kennedy Adm.

I would have gone for Powell but since he's gone I voted Condi. I mostly just think she looks like a squirrel and that's a quality I admire in a lady.

I'm too young to remember the Clinton Administration, so I can't complain.
I only remember the 2nd term, but I was born under the original Bush admin so that would make sense.

Colon Powell.
Colin Powell, that's why I voted other.

Mystic Mindinao, I just wanted to say one thing.... you are full of shit. This is a Bush BASHING Forum first of all and between the military and the sanctions put on Iraq we have slaughtered more innocents than in any conflict since WWII. We are talking over 350,000 children died via the U.S. and U.N. sanctions, and this was before the military ever got envolved. Military? Genius? The two do not go hand in hand, in fact I view them as oxymoronic. He is just another puppet of the facist Bush regime which is spreading the Empirical Power of the U.S. across the globe and trying to ensure the prosperity of the U.S. world dominance. There has been nothing good that the current president or his administration have done.

Mystic Mindinao, I just wanted to say one thing.... you are full of shit. This is a Bush BASHING Forum first of all and between the military and the sanctions put on Iraq we have slaughtered more innocents than in any conflict since WWII. We are talking over 350,000 children died via the U.S. and U.N. sanctions, and this was before the military ever got envolved. Military? Genius? The two do not go hand in hand, in fact I view them as oxymoronic. He is just another puppet of the facist Bush regime which is spreading the Empirical Power of the U.S. across the globe and trying to ensure the prosperity of the U.S. world dominance. There has been nothing good that the current president or his administration have done.
Wow! Another MKULTRA! Want to go a few rounds with me, you "full of shit" "puppet?" :D

It would be Colin Powell, but they forced him out for not doing exactly what they said... which is probably why I hated him the least.

I despise all of them.

I despise all of them.
That's ok. They probably despise you too. :)

Empirical Power of the U.S.

Doesn't "empirical" have to do with the scientific method? I don't think we spread that.

Rumsfeld's the King, no contest.

That Dier El Bahri guy is pretty funny, I have to say. :D

I chose Mr. Snow.













I'm not telling you why.

I have to give you that. Rice has been consolidating power left and right. But to be honests, both the neocons and the realists are close to Bush. I don't know how he could follow both. Maybe he just likes to have them around for certain positions. The neocons seem to do a good job with the military, for example. And the military is very hostile to change.Well, speaking realistically [and not ideologically], it seems to me as though our government simply can't afford to continue with the neocon hardline way of conducting foreign policy at this moment. We're over-committed abroad, what with Iraq AND the war on terrorism running parallel to each other. The massive amounts of money, the exercise of manpower and the exhausting of political and diplomatic resources have left this administration tapped. If you ask me, I think Bush realizes the necessity of Rice's realist and pragmatic way of dealing with things in the current situation. And I think if she scores enough successes abroad her influence over the President will grow.

...the facist Bush regime which is...Okay kids, it's time for a lesson in spelling! Here we have "facist." How would you pronouce this? Myself, I would pronounce this word "fak-ist". Now we all know that's not what the poster meant! He meant fascist. The "sc" creates a "sh" sound, so that we say it "fash-ist". So remember kids, it's fascist, not facist. Until next time!

Here we have "facist." How would you pronouce this? Myself, I would pronounce this word "fak-ist".

Apparently, these are the proponents of America's evil "empirical" policies.

Okay kids, it's time for a lesson in spelling! Here we have "facist." How would you pronouce this? Myself, I would pronounce this word "fak-ist". Now we all know that's not what the poster meant! He meant fascist. The "sc" creates a "sh" sound, so that we say it "fash-ist". So remember kids, it's fascist, not facist. Until next time!

Fascist.

I chose Bush. Where would all the cartoonists and satirists of the world be without him?

I would pick Powell, but he doesn't count apparently. I'll take Bush himself. Nothing to do with policy, just because he is, supposedly, a friendly man.

Since Colin Powell resigned, I chose Condoleeza Rice. She's doing a great job as Secretary of State so far, and her ideology and way of doing things is MUCH BETTER than the neoconservative, hardline way of thinking.
What? I consider Condi to be as much a neocon as any of them.

John Snow presents the news here, so he wins
Yes, Jon Snow (not John) of Channel 4 is the (news) man!

Oh, and Rumsfeld is the one I hate the most. Most offensive, undiplomatic person ever.

...Too...young? Ah. Things become a little more clear now.

Because age = wisdom!

Condi Rice. For me personally. Though I like 'em all.

What? I consider Condi to be as much a neocon as any of them.Really? A number of people, myself included, consider her part of the "realist" or pragmatic faction in the Administration, a group not DIAMETRICALLY opposed to the hardline neocons in ultimate goals but certainly in methods.

Take, for example, the fact that the U.S. - with Rice at the helm in the State Department - is now joining Europe when it comes to the Iran talks. Not exactly the move of a hardliner, is it?

Mystic Mindinao, I just wanted to say one thing.... you are full of shit. This is a Bush BASHING Forum first of all and between the military and the sanctions put on Iraq we have slaughtered more innocents than in any conflict since WWII. We are talking over 350,000 children died via the U.S. and U.N. sanctions, and this was before the military ever got envolved. Military? Genius? The two do not go hand in hand, in fact I view them as oxymoronic. He is just another puppet of the facist Bush regime which is spreading the Empirical Power of the U.S. across the globe and trying to ensure the prosperity of the U.S. world dominance. There has been nothing good that the current president or his administration have done.
I'm glad I make you happy. I make myself happy, too.

Well, speaking realistically [and not ideologically], it seems to me as though our government simply can't afford to continue with the neocon hardline way of conducting foreign policy at this moment. We're over-committed abroad, what with Iraq AND the war on terrorism running parallel to each other. The massive amounts of money, the exercise of manpower and the exhausting of political and diplomatic resources have left this administration tapped. If you ask me, I think Bush realizes the necessity of Rice's realist and pragmatic way of dealing with things in the current situation. And I think if she scores enough successes abroad her influence over the President will grow.
One can argue that, but I believe that our neo-Wilsonian stance as of late can't be afforded to be diminished. The Cold War is over, communism is dead, and democratic capitalism works whereever it is tried. The US is its ideaological linchpin, and we can't afford to back down from our committment.

Doesn't "empirical" have to do with the scientific method? I don't think we spread that.

He's right! Lmao! It is a scientific method! lol. I think you meant "Imperial"?

Bah. I despise them all too. Kill 'em all I say. Summarily execute them.

This is a Bush BASHING Forum first of all
Huh?
For some odd reason, I thought this was the general forum for the game NationStates. I guess I was mistaken.

I chose Mr. Snow.
I'm not telling you why.
I think I know why. Anyhow, John Snow may be possibly the worst guy that the adm. has. His economic policy virtually doesn't exist. That's fine now that we have Alan Greenspan, but once he retires, he'll be a liability. He's also a horrible public speaker. Think of him as a combination between Dan Quale and Junchiro Koizumi.

One can argue that, but I believe that our neo-Wilsonian stance as of late can't be afforded to be diminished. The Cold War is over, communism is dead, and democratic capitalism works whereever it is tried. The US is its ideaological linchpin, and we can't afford to back down from our committment.Well, like I mentioned earlier, I think the realists and the neocons differ in method, not goals. Bush's agenda is certainly neo-Wilsonian, and I think Rice belongs to that school of thinking as well. However, she uses a pragmatic, diplomatic approach to foreign policy, and I believe that is the President's desire as well; the hardliner way of conducting foreign policy has proven to be less-than-desirable in several instances, notably Europe, North Korea and arguably Iraq. It's also an exhausting method, and I think the President has had enough of it, at least for the moment, and is content to take Rice's more traditional approach to U.S. foreign policy [alliance-building, pragmatism, etc.].

Well, like I mentioned earlier, I think the realists and the neocons differ in method, not goals. Bush's agenda is certainly neo-Wilsonian, and I think Rice belongs to that school of thinking as well. However, she uses a pragmatic, diplomatic approach to foreign policy, and I believe that is the President's desire as well; the hardliner way of conducting foreign policy has proven to be less-than-desirable in several instances, notably Europe, North Korea and arguably Iraq. It's also an exhausting method, and I think the President has had enough of it, at least for the moment, and is content to take Rice's more traditional approach to U.S. foreign policy [alliance-building, pragmatism, etc.].
It''s fine for now, but it can't stay forever. What needs to happen is that we need to update our institutions, such as our spy agencies, military, and even our diplomatic apparatus. Then the neocon approach will seem less exhausting, and be more efficient to meet today's needs.

Condie cause she is such a babe! :fluffle:

Condie cause she is such a babe! :fluffle:
Unfortunatly, she has a face full of ugly freckles. But check out those legs! :D

Condie Rice Kicks butt! Condi for Prez!

Condie Rice Kicks butt! Condi for Prez!
She isn't running, though.

She isn't running, though.

Unfortunately :(

Unfortunately :(
Well, there are others.
Not, as a little asside, why doesn't anyone like Porter Goss? He's technically not part of the Bush Adm., but he was a fresh appointee of his. Is it because of how he ruthlessly purged the CIA when he came in? Or is it the fact that he is no longer considered the head of the intelligence community now that John Negroponte was appointed to the new NID post?

Well, there are others.
Not, as a little asside, why doesn't anyone like Porter Goss? He's technically not part of the Bush Adm., but he was a fresh appointee of his. Is it because of how he ruthlessly purged the CIA when he came in? Or is it the fact that he is no longer considered the head of the intelligence community now that John Negroponte was appointed to the new NID post?As I recall, he was notoriously partisan at some point in his political career, and that hurt his image as the head of the CIA; it was thought he would only appoint/promote people in the CIA who were ideologically comfy with him. While obviously this doesn't effect him as a GOP presidential nominee, it has effected his OVERALL political image, which is important.

As I recall, he was notoriously partisan at some point in his political career, and that hurt his image as the head of the CIA; it was thought he would only appoint/promote people in the CIA who were ideologically comfy with him. While obviously this doesn't effect him as a GOP presidential nominee, it has effected his OVERALL political image, which is important.
Well, it is now irrelevant who likes him or not. Congress and the public will have to deal with him, as he has remade the CIA into his own image. IIf he gets his way, the entire intelligence community will follow his lead (though I hope that doesn't happen unless he gets reappointed to NID).

Well, it is now irrelevant who likes him or not. Congress and the public will have to deal with him, as he has remade the CIA into his own image. IIf he gets his way, the entire intelligence community will follow his lead (though I hope that doesn't happen unless he gets reappointed to NID).Of course. But I'm just saying that in regards to a presidential nomination, he has some baggage that I think either party would rather do without.

So is Powell definitely not running? Ever?

Of course. But I'm just saying that in regards to a presidential nomination, he has some baggage that I think either party would rather do without.
Oh, I see. But he probably can't run for president because he doesn't have the exposure, and he probably doesn't want it, either.
So is Powell definitely not running? Ever?
Well, he is old.

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