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This is from Aljazeera english site. So you can all read it. There is a mirror story on it's Arabic site that pretty much says the exact same thing. This shows how far the mid-east peace process has come. Status Quo as usual. This time with Israeli concessions and Arabic non-movement. This is ridiculous to say the least. There has to be comprimise on this situation. What do you think?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8ADD4943-E6F3-4CD8-A921-2D4A20E913BD.htm

South of Cairo, about 3000 students demonstrated inside Asiut University and Al-Azhar University in the same city, demanding that Arab leaders wage war on Israel.



"Our leaders ... we need a summit that declares war," they chanted.
Clearly these guys aren't old enough to remember what happened last time, but all I have to say on the subject is.... BRING IT ON!

Well if some one came and stole your house away from you becose of the actions of others what the hell would you be doing?

Well if some one came and stole your house away from you because of the actions of others what the hell would you be doing?
*sighs*
Oh brudder, not again.

Let me try and explain this to you.
#1) Arab states declare war and attempt to invade.
#2) Israel retaliates.
#3) Arab states get their collective asses kicked. They get pushed back, and Israel gets the land.
#4) In exchange for peace, Israel leaves the Sinai, giving Egypt their land back.

What isn't clear in this?

you seem to forget that isreal kicked out the palisines (SP) IN THE FIRST PLACE. Creating hostile fealing right from the start.

you seem to forget that isreal kicked out the palisines (SP) IN THE FIRST PLACE. Creating hostile fealing right from the start.

I don't know enough about it all but have to agree with this one.

I watched a programme where the Israeli's were charging 'tourists' 12 thousand dollara for (anti-)terrorists training camps. They took them through Hebron and it was heart wrenching....I have to say from that evidence I have to say concessions would be the last thing on my mind if I was palestinian...

(why could the chosen land not have been some island in the caribbean?? surely god, if he does exist, was taking the piss out of the jewsish people by saying this bit of arrid war torn land is yours?? And you reckon your his chosen people.....i think looking through history he's pissed of with them all for some reason!!!)

Seriously, I'm about to just quit right now. I sometimes feel like Israel debates are like :headbang:


Israel was granted the area by the UN, there was a two state solution agreed, then the arabs got greedy and attacked, trying to get even more land. The Palestinians left the area to let the arab states attack, then afterwards Israel didn't let them back in. They shouldn't have left in the first place.

they shude not have goten the land in the FIRST place it was never thares to begin with!

they shude not have goten the land in the FIRST place it was never thares to begin with!
No, you are of course completely right.... it was UN land. The UN gave it to England, and England, with permission from the UN, gave it to Israel.

Seriously, I'm about to just quit right now. I sometimes feel like Israel debates are like :headbang:


Israel was granted the area by the UN, there was a two state solution agreed, then the arabs got greedy and attacked, trying to get even more land. The Palestinians left the area to let the arab states attack, then afterwards Israel didn't let them back in. They shouldn't have left in the first place.

Yeah, there's a war going on.....let's hang around and watch....iqbal....bring the kids over til they see this bomb flying over....oooohhh.....aaahhhh....look at that big tank son maybe in 10 years time when your 15 you can drive on o them.......Don't be so f*/king stupid!!!

With that argument the Jewish people shouldn't even be in palestine at all as the bulk of them left 2000-1500 years ago....(and I don't agree with that argument either)...

It was palistinen land. not UN or English land.

No, you are of course completely right.... it was UN land. The UN gave it to England, and England, with permission from the UN, gave it to Israel.


It was UN land??? There was me thinking it was gods land!!!

Tell me how the....well how can anyone own a country?? I can understand a house....even a country manor....but come on, a whole fekin country?? let me know where i can buy one.....i wanna own.....let me think....erm....greece.....who can sell me it.....or even better still give it to me??? again the statement bears out don''t be so stupid!!!

I'd like it noted that I don't debate to convince anyone of anything, I debate for fun. On that note, please stop insulting me. Thanks.

You clearly aren't aware then, that England once occupied a quarter of the globe? That Germany, occupied part of Europe?

The area there was British, there is no debate or dispute about that. Therefore, the choice is the Brits to make. They also involved the UN, who offered what was frankly, a very reasonable two state plan, and were it not for the imperialism shown by the arabs then, Israel and Palestine could be co-existing peacefully now.

let me ask you this


You got the X peaple. They need a home, they just got Horibly oprressed by Asshole H. where do you put? why of coures Right in the middle of Peaple Y who hate peaple X


Lets look at the formula


X + Y With a Catlist of asshole H = Confict and bloodshed!!

is that a winning formula?

People Y didn't hate People X though until after they were legally given the land there;)

It was palistinen land. not UN or English land.

er... that's utter bull. JORDAN is palestinian (learn to spell, man). Israel had palestinians living is squalor till the zionist movement began sending jews from europe to live there (on land which they bought legally, might i add). the israelis even shared some of the improvements they brought with them (i.e. irrigation, swamp clearing, etc) with the local populace... moving on...

Really now? so who was all those people that got booted off there land? Figments of my Imagination?

People Y didn't hate People X though until after they were legally given the land there;)


sorry man that Incorrect theres a long history of Jew-arab stife.

Really now? so who was all those people that got booted off there land? Figments of my Imagination?
I already addressed this point at the end of post 7.

sorry man that Incorrect theres a long history of Jew-arab stife.
I'm afraid I still don't see your point. The Inquisition was Christian, and against the Jews. America is still a big ally of Israel. At some point you have to put aside your old conflicts.

your missing my point they sude have never had to leave in the first place

Fellows not going to listen anyway..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

Read.

I'm afraid I still don't see your point. The Inquisition was Christian, and against the Jews. America is still a big ally of Israel. At some point you have to put aside your old conflicts.

What douse the Inquisition and the US have to do with Jew-arab strife?

What douse the Inquisition and the US have to do with Jew-arab strife?
I was pointing out that Christians and Jews have had problematic relations in the past as well, but thats no excuse to continue bad relations.

The people left willingly, so that Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and co could invade. They didn't have to leave, they chose to. They were convinced that they'd have all of Israel afterwards, and when they got beaten they started crying about oppression.

(Greedy Pig, who are you referring to?)

They did not leave willing they were forced out at the end of a rifle

(Greedy Pig, who are you referring to?)

Sllabecaps..

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Anyway.. people need to get a grip that Isreal isn't going to just pick up and leave. And the arabs won't be happy unless Isreal is pushed into the sea.

Isreal had tried with sharing, Palestine turn them down many times.

But hopefully this time it'll be different.

I read it. dont know what it was supost to prove

They did not leave willing they were forced out at the end of a rifle
:rolleyes:
No they weren't and even if they were, it was a Syrian rifle.

Really now? hehehe I dare you to go to a palestinian Refugey camp and say that.

Really now? hehehe I dare you to go to a palestinian Refugey camp and say that.
To put it nicely, I wouldn't go within ten miles of a Palestinian refugee camp, any closer and I'd be shot for being a "zionist".

The people left willingly, so that Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and co could invade. They didn't have to leave, they chose to. They were convinced that they'd have all of Israel afterwards, and when they got beaten they started crying about oppression.


I take it you don't have children and aren't married, but when you do have either then you will realise that when a war has styarted or is about to start you don't hang around so your family can be caught in the crossfire or worse.

Correct on both counts, I do however have family, and I know that we most probably would leave. However when the war is over, and our side lost, we would not go crying about how we were cruelly kicked out and oppressed.

Correct on both counts, I do however have family, and I know that we most probably would leave. However when the war is over, and our side lost, we would not go crying about how we were cruelly kicked out and oppressed.

ok....I was going to give a big speil on this one....but i suspect you are just perpetuating an arguement for the sake of it!!!

I am continuing this argument for the sake of it, its called debating. I already noted this in post 13.

I'd like it noted that I don't debate to convince anyone of anything, I debate for fun.

ok......but i can't really be bothered debating when the arguement makes no sense....

i.e. if there was a war in your street and you moved out....you wouldn't want your house back when the war was finished....you asked not to insult you earlier but when you 'debate' with stupidity of this nature it's hard to carry on...

sorry to bail out but nothing left to argue.....i'm not going to say white just because you say black!!

That wasn't what I said. I said if I chose to move out voluntarily, I wouldn't then later claim I was kicked out.

Last year, we sold our house and moved out here to Israel. It would be like me now going back to my house in England and saying to the new people "You kicked me out of my house, I demand it back."

That wasn't what I said. I said if I chose to move out voluntarily, I wouldn't then later claim I was kicked out.

Last year, we sold our house and moved out here to Israel. It would be like me now going back to my house in England and saying to the new people "You kicked me out of my house, I demand it back."

these people never sold their houses!!!! they left because there was a war going on.....they were displaced!!

these people never sold their houses!!!! they left because there was a war going on.....they were displaced!!
But the war wasn't going on in their territory, it was in a neighbours land. Its like Welsh people moving out because the British are being invaded by Welsh allies.

the israeli's started off as a terrorist group in the area, smuggling in jews (against a law set up). but yet again, i think we need to remember how the arab's got the land themselves in the first place, yes thats right... they stole it. both sides don't deserve any land.

Serdica, good point, except for the fact that there are already 22 different arab states in that area. In the whole world, there is not a single other Jewish state excepting Israel.

Palestine is a myth. It was mentioned in the bible and in the all knowing mental might of the british empire they let a bunch of lebanese, syrians and saudis and egyptians believe a fairie tale [ Palestine was a scapegoat sort of like a mythical nation that never existed to make the nation feel better about itself having defeated such a foe...fact is its not true] Palestine was created 100 years ago or so when a very anti jewish british governor decided to rename it from Judaea to Palestine. End of story. Palestinians want there land back..well go back to the countries you came from. By the way this isnt christian or jewish beliefs but a little thing called history, of which is one of my majours in college. Now as for anti israeli sentiment. Duh.


how else do you expect people to willingly let themselves be run by a fascistic church run state or a bunch of filthy greedy shaws. Simple blame the jews, blame the jews just like EVERYONE has done every 50 years for the last 1400 years. France germany britain, austria america you name the damn country and the leaders [or religious leaders] turned the people on to the jews to distract them from there own excesses. [ sort of like say the saudi government, the syrian baath party, the mullahs terrified that women will want rights] since jewish people are a small ethnic group and easy to pick on thanks to the fact there religion says its ok to be bankers, then they get the shaft. Sorry Islamic people...the jews didnt do it, you did it to yourselves. I mean what blame the british cause the east indians rose up and overthrew the foul and evil [ oh hell yeah its evil. If building a monument then killed all 23 000 people that worked on it isnt evil i dont know what is, and yes this was repeated over the whole course of the moghul empire everywhere it went till the jewel of islamic culture and learning was destroyed by its slaves who tasted the freedom, yes freedom of british and french rule] moghul empire. Now my koran thumping islamic friends. Take a lesson from Issa [ jesus to christians] and do un to others as you would have them do un to you. Now bombing military targets and hitting the odd civilians..you call that genocide...sorry you dont even know what war is let alone genocide, two busy hiding your heads in the sand in WW II to understand the concept. Leave the jews alone they arent the cause of the palestinian plight. The palestinians are the cause of there plight.

For instance lebanon was a wonderful modern peaceful islamic nation who accepted many palestinians to live there ^.^. Said palestinians then declared a jihad on the christian population and literally tore apart lebanon. Similar incidents have been repeated by these malcontent usurpers for a very long time. This is like germanies claim on say..russia sorry hitler russia wasnt yours.It was not some germanic homeland. What the palestinians are doing is the same. Of course its so easy to believe there was a palestine as after all there is no truth in the islamic world but what hte mullahs and sheiks state. Kind of like america actually...lol ok this is no flame but honestly i have seen ENOUGH of this. Fact is palestine doesnt exist and it only existed in a fable.
Stop it. Leave the jewish people alone they have been through enough. Show how wise and wonderful and good islamic society is and just f**k off and leave them alone. Palestine isnt yours the fact they are getting a palestine is too much for me personally i think that all of isreal should be returned to the jewish people not just the tiny state of judaea they were given. I love though how quick islamic's are to shout genocide when they would love nothing more then commiting it on the jewish people. Thats all i have to say...look in the mirror before you speak and tell me if you wouldnt overreact if there were more people attending a rally shouting death to every [ insert ethnic group you are here] then there were your people in your whole country every bloody day. Follow the damn koran, at least if your sect lets you read it and let the jews live in peace. Your lives will be much better after...that is unless you want to stay oppressed, uneducated, and without any future.

Now thats what I call a rant! *claps*



And on that note, I shall leave you all! Got a life to get back to.

lol thanks. I am so tired of hearing from both christians and islamics about this bull and i am just sick of it lol. honestly you cant find a better truth here then that lol. Where i live in canada there are alot of arabic kids in schools. And i have seen them threaten teachers with knives over this sort of thing and i am totally fed up seeing all this, Die Ehrzwig Jude [ the evil jew] crap over and over. How many millions died to stop hitler. oh and a side not. Arabs were considered Semitic peoples by the nazi's ^.^ oh... and no one but terrorists got booted off the land. And did you know literally units from WWII of gentiles...fought to save isreal from the arab alliance in 1947. yeah booted off the land. leaving cause your too racist to live near your neighbour doesnt mean kicked out thank you. Good god look at the real history where the hell does all this "oppression" come from. Ok they wanted to live that way cause there are to this day alot of palestinians living in isreal.

you seem to forget that isreal kicked out the palisines (SP) IN THE FIRST PLACE. Creating hostile fealing right from the start.

Well partially true. The states surrounding Israel are just as guilty of the Palestinian issue as Israel itself.

Yeah, its quite interesting that the Arab nations surrounding Isreal refuse to grant asylum to any of the Palestinians. The send very little help to there "Arab brothers" except for money for weapons (here yah go kid, just strap this bomb around your gut and blow yourself up on a city bus!). The truth is the other arab nations are quite content to let the Palestinians rot where they are as a festering wound in Isreal's side. If the Palestinians would reject violence and emulate Gandhi's methods they would gain a heck of a lot more support for their cause. Instead they send kids with bombs to kill themselves and other people.

The anti-semitism that resides in Europe was not killed when Hitler was defeated, it was simply put on the shelf for awhile. It is manifesting itself these days again as Isreal is demonized for any action it takes while Palestinian terrorists are given the green light and treated as victims.