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So an Imax film about volcanos that mentions evolution when it discusses the flora and fauna that live around deep sea volcano openings is being banned by Imax theaters in Texas, Georgia, and the Carolinas. The reason given is that it may offend the creationists in the area.

Apparently creationists get so angry at the mention of evolution that they will boycott any educational film that mentions it even in passing. We're doomed as a nation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4378541.stm

Yes, let's not talk about anything for fear it will offend others. Conversation is now banned.

Yes, let's not talk about anything for fear it will offend others. Conversation is now banned.
I'm offended by that and demand an appology.

Free speech? only when it doesn't offend the evangelists.

I'm offended by that and demand an appology.
I'd reply, but all conversations are banned.

Free speech? only when it doesn't offend the evangelists.
or drunken commies.

Ignorance is bliss.

Leave 'em to their blissful lives and get on with living yours. After all, you can always rent the DVD.

I'm a creationist but I wouldn't boycott a film unless it were directly flaming creationists or something. I'm all for freedom of speech.

I'll break my silence.

That doesn't sound like self-imposed ignorance actually, it sounds like ignorance being imposed on all for the sake of a few.

Ignorance is bliss.

Leave 'em to their blissful lives and get on with living yours. After all, you can always rent the DVD.
Rent the DVD? The whole frickin' point is the huge screen! :D

I'm a creationist but I wouldn't boycott a film unless it were directly flaming creationists or something. I'm all for freedom of speech.
Well yes...they could have just not gone themselves, but now it is being banned for others as well?

are volcanoes even mentioned in the bible? maybe THATS the problem

are volcanoes even mentioned in the bible? maybe THATS the problem
Yeah, it's in there...they whited out tower of babel and put in volcano a couple of years ago...at least that's what's in my version? :confused:

Willful ignorance is sort of an unbeatable foe. I mean, have you ever gotten into an argument with a flat earther?

If they wanna sue the profs in Florida, fuck 'em. They don't like science in Texas and Georgia? Fuck 'em. Let 'em stew in their own stupid sauce. Let 'em turn their public schools into moron factories. Let 'em screen "Dude, Where's My Car" at the Imax. Just so long as none of this stuff goes federal, I can't really see a problem.

Willful ignorance is sort of an unbeatable foe. I mean, have you ever gotten into an argument with a flat earther?

If they wanna sue the profs in Florida, fuck 'em. They don't like science in Texas and Georgia? Fuck 'em. Let 'em stew in their own stupid sauce. Let 'em turn their public schools into moron factories. Let 'em screen "Dude, Where's My Car" at the Imax. Just so long as none of this stuff goes federal, I can't really see a problem.
Well, I guess the problem is, they don't have their own colonies, so the rest of the people living there also have to stew in their 'stupid sauce' (a rather icky image, that). Perhaps an island nation for fanatics is needed? Australia is rather underpopulated.... :eek:

Well yes...they could have just not gone themselves, but now it is being banned for others as well?
Crazy American radicals. I suggest Canada should invade America and pwn all those radicals. Of course there will be casualties but that's a risk Canada must be willing to take.

Hey, you Drunk, why'd ya need to be reborn? You wouldn't be a born again atheist, would you? :p

Hey, you Drunk, why'd ya need to be reborn? You wouldn't be a born again atheist, would you? :p
He was rather messily executed last week. I wanted to beat his post count, and I guess now I do, but it doesn't feel like a victory :(

Rent the DVD? The whole frickin' point is the huge screen!

You'll just have to build a home cinema then and invite friends and family for banned screenings!! :D

A clockwork Orance has only been shown in the UK since Kubrick(sp?) died. it wasnt that great a film but the hype because it was banned made it something special here. I'll bet americans dont have the same view of it as the british do.

Banning something can sometimes be a good thing.

Willful ignorance is sort of an unbeatable foe. I mean, have you ever gotten into an argument with a flat earther?

If they wanna sue the profs in Florida, fuck 'em. They don't like science in Texas and Georgia? Fuck 'em. Let 'em stew in their own stupid sauce. Let 'em turn their public schools into moron factories. Let 'em screen "Dude, Where's My Car" at the Imax. Just so long as none of this stuff goes federal, I can't really see a problem.
Improves my job choices ... but think of all the people that WANT to learn that get caught under the trap of them ... all the other peoples in thoes schools and such

You'll just have to build a home cinema then and invite friends and family for banned screenings!! :D

A clockwork Orance has only been shown in the UK since Kubrick(sp?) died. it wasnt that great a film but the hype because it was banned made it something special here. I'll bet americans dont have the same view of it as the british do.

Banning something can sometimes be a good thing.
Hmmm...I suppose...though I doubt a volcano film banned for including evolutionary theories is going to get the kind of 'naughty' hype that A Clockwork Orange did...I mean, no killings with giant porcelain phalluses? Boring!

He was rather messily executed last week. I wanted to beat his post count, and I guess now I do, but it doesn't feel like a victory :(
For what!?

For what!?
For trolling with his puppet, Jesussaves.

Hey, you Drunk, why'd ya need to be reborn? You wouldn't be a born again atheist, would you? :p
The mods deleted my old nation.

For trolling with his puppet, Jesussaves.
I thought Jesus was gone awhile ago and no action taken

For what!?
Well, he was banned for Jesussaves....and my puppet HerPower was sentenced to death as well. Then he came back during his forum ban as a temporary nation and did a Jesussaves/Drunk Commie thread, and was then beheaded.

He was rather messily executed last week. I wanted to beat his post count, and I guess now I do, but it doesn't feel like a victory :(
Well you're a winner in my book. You managed to survive the brutal attacks on us trolls.

Well, I guess the problem is, they don't have their own colonies, so the rest of the people living there also have to stew in their 'stupid sauce' (a rather icky image, that). Perhaps an island nation for fanatics is needed? Australia is rather underpopulated.... :eek:

Well, they'll become colonies quick enough. The folks who love movies about volcanoes more than they hate evolution are apparently in the minority. They can either get on the evolution-hating bandwagon, or they can move. I'm sure the profs at FSU, once they get tired of getting sued, can find homes at other universities around the country. Florida can have the academic dregs.

I thought Jesus was gone awhile ago and no action taken
I fear my puppet HerPower may have forced the issue...I guess the mods were semi-okay with one troll, but not two. I think it was a gender bias :D

Well, he was banned for Jesussaves....and my puppet HerPower was sentenced to death as well. Then he came back during his forum ban as a temporary nation and did a Jesussaves/Drunk Commie thread, and was then beheaded.
Oh so YOU were HerPower ... your spelling was annoying :p LOL

Well you're a winner in my book. You managed to survive the brutal attacks on us trolls.
That's because I promised to be good. Yet my troll senses itch to be utilized to their full potential...:( I'm not sure I want to live on a forum that would kill off HerPower and all the wonderful things she had to say!

I fear my puppet HerPower may have forced the issue...I guess the mods were semi-okay with one troll, but not two. I think it was a gender bias :D
You should really sue. It's clearly unfair treatment on the part of the mods.

Ignorance is bliss.

Leave 'em to their blissful lives and get on with living yours. After all, you can always rent the DVD.

Cool! Drunk Commies has an IMAX at home! In the den! I'll bring the popcorn...

Oh so YOU were HerPower ... your spelling was annoying :p LOL
Well, there's a guy on the forum, Enlightened Humanity, who uses the spelling 'womyn' for real...got a warning from Cog for doing it, but I think he's serious.

A clockwork Orance has only been shown in the UK since Kubrick(sp?) died. it wasnt that great a film but the hype because it was banned made it something special here. I'll bet americans dont have the same view of it as the british do.

It wasn't actually banned, as such, instead it was withdrawn by Kubrick.

You should really sue. It's clearly unfair treatment on the part of the mods.
Well, like everyone keeps reminding me, this ain't no democracy, and the rules IZ the rules. I might just have to be Sinuhue/HerPower and let my man-hating/loving dichotomy fight it out for dominance.

Well, there's a guy on the forum, Enlightened Humanity, who uses the spelling 'womyn' for real...got a warning from Cog for doing it, but I think he's serious.
wow I though he was doing it to make fun of HerPower lol

wow I though he was doing it to make fun of HerPower lol
No, though I'm not clear why he thought he should spell it that way.

Improves my job choices ... but think of all the people that WANT to learn that get caught under the trap of them ... all the other peoples in thoes schools and such

By college, I don't care. By that age, students are growed-up enough to make their own dumb decisions. If they sign up for the Ezekiel Jeremiah Jones Institute of Theological Technology, they get what they deserve.

For younger kids, I don't care. If their parents are willing to go to great lengths to ban Imax flicks or put ID in science classes, there are countless other ways in which they're going to fuck up their kids. The kids will sink or swim on their own. Parents who don't sign on for this agenda need to recognize they're fighting the tide. They can move, find alternative schooling, or drive across state lines to watch volcano movies.

So frickin' funny....IT'S A VOLCANO MOVIE! I mean, what's next...ban movies about dust bunnies? because someone says god didn't make them?

Dust bunnies make the best pets...they never crap on your floor.

Dust bunnies make the best pets...they never crap on your floor.

I solved this problem with a cat I once had by relocating the floor to the top of the room, and the ceiling to where the floor had been. Yes, the cat would shit on the ceiling, but never on the floor.

I solved this problem with a cat I once had by relocating the floor to the top of the room, and the ceiling to where the floor had been. Yes, the cat would shit on the ceiling, but never on the floor.
Isn't it hard to clean the ceiling when there's cat crap on it?

I'll break my silence.

That doesn't sound like self-imposed ignorance actually, it sounds like ignorance being imposed on all for the sake of a few.

Agreed. Sence its causing such a stir I think I will go see this film.

Isn't it hard to clean the ceiling when there's cat crap on it?

How often do people clean ceilings?

Free speech? only when it doesn't offend the evangelists.

Hmm. I'm an evangelist, but I believe in evolution. Hmm.

How often do people clean ceilings?
I would think they'd do it quite often if there were cats crapping on them.

I really wish companies like Imax would just grow a set of balls and get on with business. So you offend some creationists, so what? I'm sure there are plenty of other people, even in the Bible Belt, who will pay for overpriced tickets to see documentaries on your oversized screens.

I really wish companies like Imax would just grow a set of balls and get on with business. So you offend some creationists, so what? I'm sure there are plenty of other people, even in the Bible Belt, who will pay for overpriced tickets to see documentaries on your oversized screens.
If there were plenty they wouldent fold like they do sometimes (companies)
Imax dont make money hand over fist and there are LOTS of creationists out there ... enough to hurt them bad

Well, he was banned for Jesussaves....and my puppet HerPower was sentenced to death as well. Then he came back during his forum ban as a temporary nation and did a Jesussaves/Drunk Commie thread, and was then beheaded.

Too bad, I really liked DC's alter personality Jesussaves. Oh well, I guess it's back to watching the penecostals.

Yeah, it's in there...they whited out tower of babel and put in volcano a couple of years ago...at least that's what's in my version? :confused:
im no biblical scholar so i put "volcano" and "volcanoes" into the search thing on bible.com and it said that there were NO references to volcanoes in the bible

so there you have it. no WONDER they wouldnt go see that movie. volcanoes are not in the bible so its heresy to suggest that they exist!

They havent banned anything, they are simply choosing not to carry that film. They are a business and businesses are in it to make money. A film that is expected not to sell very well will be passed up in favor of a movie that will. If you wanna complain about movies that Imax theaters chose not to carry, why not complain about Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: the Imax experience and Spiderman 2: the Imax experience. I care much more about the fact that so few Imax theaters carried those films than I do about a documentary on volcanos.

If there were plenty they wouldent fold like they do sometimes (companies)
Imax dont make money hand over fist and there are LOTS of creationists out there ... enough to hurt them bad

Depends on where the theatres are located, I suppose. Metropolitan areas tend to be a bit low on creationists, per capita, no matter where you are in the United States.

They havent banned anything, they are simply choosing not to carry that film. They are a business and businesses are in it to make money. A film that is expected not to sell very well will be passed up in favor of a movie that will. If you wanna complain about movies that Imax theaters chose not to carry, why not complain about Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: the Imax experience and Spiderman 2: the Imax experience. I care much more about the fact that so few Imax theaters carried those films than I do about a documentary on volcanos.
I'll grant that the term 'banned' is mis-applied, and that's frustrating when that happens. That happens a lot, when some group makes a voluntary choice based on what they anticipate might happen we often react as if what they anticipated had actually happened and say 'banned' when that is not actually the case.

That being said-this is still very reminiscent of early film codes that lead to the Hayes Commission that brought us couples sleeping in seperate beds, etc. Each state, led largely by the Catholic Decency League (or some such arrangement of those words) started censoring films that where to be shown. There had been a ruling that films where not protected speech. To restore that status they started a volunteer censorship that was the Hayes code and later evolved into the rating system we have now (after people became irratated that movies like The Bicycle Thief wouldn't be shown because a kid pees on a wall...)

Now, we've skipped a phase because film is regarded as protected speech. However, we've moved right into the self-censorship. The idea that in those areas creationists have such sway that they will drastically effect the movies success. That is disturbing. (Are creationists really part of the film documentary crowd? That seems a little jumpy to me...)

Now to be rude and demeaning-Why in the hell are we giving this much creedence to the flat-earthers? They want to believe a sky wizard waved a hand and "poof" there was earth, fine. (I've never seen them settle on which order of creation is correct, Gen Ch. 1 or 2, I mean, if they're going to be literalists....) If they want to believe that fairies flit about every morning and open the flowers, fantastic. The rest of us would like to get on with our damn lives with out having to believe that meat left out will create rats etc. Good Gravy-there is no part of the evolution theory that precludes the process from being set-up by the sky wizard (but thats a seperate non-science issue, don't conflate the two) if you really need him her them it then it's not my place to take that from you. BUT-damn. I'll just stop...

Hmm. I'm an evangelist, but I believe in evolution. Hmm.
Or fundamentalists, one of those -ists words

Or fundamentalists, one of those -ists words

Fundamentalist. Now there's a vague term. I'm a fundamentalist when it comes to Jesus. But I'm not going to toss science out.

The usual division I make is that religion is a good guide for my spiritual needs, and my personal life. And science is not good for spiritual needs, and no help at all with my personal life. It's good for other things.

I'm offended by that and demand an appology.
Dammit, i thought about it and now i'm having an intellectual conflict. I'm offended that one of you tried to get me to change my mind and i'm offended at the other for being offended and frankly i'm offended at you both for not having the "common decency" of keeping your heretical devil-slather to yourselves.
Pthbpt. *raspberry*

So an Imax film about volcanos that mentions evolution when it discusses the flora and fauna that live around deep sea volcano openings is being banned by Imax theaters in Texas, Georgia, and the Carolinas. The reason given is that it may offend the creationists in the area.

Apparently creationists get so angry at the mention of evolution that they will boycott any educational film that mentions it even in passing. We're doomed as a nation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4378541.stm
Hey! Wait just a cotton-pickin' minute! I'm not a creationist and I live in the Carolinas, and I know there are lots and lots of others just like me. I don't know if there are any Imax theatres in this area, but if there are they can consider themselves to have been boycotted! There! Take that! :)

Willful ignorance is sort of an unbeatable foe. I mean, have you ever gotten into an argument with a flat earther?

If they wanna sue the profs in Florida, fuck 'em. They don't like science in Texas and Georgia? Fuck 'em. Let 'em stew in their own stupid sauce. Let 'em turn their public schools into moron factories. Let 'em screen "Dude, Where's My Car" at the Imax. Just so long as none of this stuff goes federal, I can't really see a problem.
International Flat Earth Research Society
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What're you getting at, you circumference-biased antifederal goombah?
;)

All I can say is, Really religious people scare me...

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That being said-this is still very reminiscent of early film codes that lead to the Hayes Commission
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No, it isnt reminiscent of anything. Nobody has censored anything, they simply chose not to carry that particular movie because they dont feel its one that would appeal to their target audience. Thats all there is to it. Its a case of the most important principle of marketing being put into action, know your audience. They know what appeals to their audience and what doesnt and they make choices based on that, it would be stupid to do otherwise. There are plenty of Imax movies available and they didnt choose that one because other ones will sell better. Thats not a case of censorship, its a case of marketing. There is no similarity to any case of censorship. This was a simple every day marketing decision. Every time they are gonna change movies they choose from a list and there are movies that do not get selected. Frankly, I care more about the good movies that dont get selected (Star Wars episode 2, Matrix: reloaded, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Spider Man 2, and Apollo 13 are all available on Imax format) than I do about a documentary on volcanos.

No, it isnt reminiscent of anything. Nobody has censored anything, they simply chose not to carry that particular movie because they dont feel its one that would appeal to their target audience. Thats all there is to it. Its a case of the most important principle of marketing being put into action, know your audience. They know what appeals to their audience and what doesnt and they make choices based on that, it would be stupid to do otherwise. There are plenty of Imax movies available and they didnt choose that one because other ones will sell better. Thats not a case of censorship, its a case of marketing. There is no similarity to any case of censorship. This was a simple every day marketing decision. Every time they are gonna change movies they choose from a list and there are movies that do not get selected. Frankly, I care more about the good movies that dont get selected (Star Wars episode 2, Matrix: reloaded, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Spider Man 2, and Apollo 13 are all available on Imax format) than I do about a documentary on volcanos.
What lead to the Hayes Code is similar...it was also voluntary and it also had to do with audience reception and business. It is, in fact, almost exactly like...

Well, I guess the problem is, they don't have their own colonies, so the rest of the people living there also have to stew in their 'stupid sauce' (a rather icky image, that). Perhaps an island nation for fanatics is needed? Australia is rather underpopulated.... :eek:

Bloody hell, we don't need them, or want them here. Please.