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Bobby Fischer flies free to Iceland
Bobby Fischer left Japan a free man Thursday after more than eight months of imprisonment, blasting Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, the ruling Liberal Democratic Party and U.S. President George Bush as he left.

This is downright pathetic:
The US said it was disappointed at the move. "Mr Fischer is a fugitive from justice," said a US state department spokesman.
From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4374811.stm

Give me a break! He played chess in Yugoslavia, at a time when Americans weren't allowed to go there.
What a dastardly criminal.

Good for him. Iceland is really beautiful. Small, but beautiful.

Oh, and "criminal, schmiminal". The criminal thing should be trying to stop people from going to whatever country they like, unless the receiving country objects, of course.

This is downright pathetic:

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4374811.stm

Give me a break! He played chess in Yugoslavia, at a time when Americans weren't allowed to go there.
What a dastardly criminal.

He's probably an Islamic terrorist.

He's probably an Islamic terrorist.
I think he's too much of a fruitloop for even them.

This is great news! Nobody should be arrested for playing chess, and Iceland is a pleasant place. Here's hoping he enjoys his life.

I think he's too much of a fruitloop for even them.


Aye, but if the US are intent on bringing him down you should expect "evidence" linking him to bombings in the near future. ;)

I welcome him to my country and hope he may now live in peace for the rest of his life. Velkomin til Íslands Róbert Fischer!


Here is something you did not know, He has a "master chess player" status here in Iceland so he will get a very nice Icelandic 401 K from the Icelandic Chess Federation. Good for him!

This is downright pathetic:
Give me a break! He played chess in Yugoslavia, at a time when Americans weren't allowed to go there.
What a dastardly criminal.

That was his crime!? That was his crime?!

That's what I thought it was --- I just oculdn't believe people would be THAT stupid... Oh man. How sad.

Good for him. Iceland is really beautiful. Small, but beautiful.

Oh, and "criminal, schmiminal". The criminal thing should be trying to stop people from going to whatever country they like, unless the receiving country objects, of course.

'Bout friggin' time.

So much for freedom in the US. Gah. I'd love to know what actual charge was leveled against him in the first place. "The President said no." Last I checked, he wasn't the ruler of the citizenry.

'Bout friggin' time.

So much for freedom in the US. Gah. I'd love to know what actual charge was leveled against him in the first place. "The President said no." Last I checked, he wasn't the ruler of the citizenry.
Not sure about the exact charges, but he broke 'economic sanctions' that the US had against Yugoslavia in 1992. I get the feeling that the US only cares now because it was under Dubya's daddy that the events happened.

Iceland is welcome to the nutcase that is Fischer. I am surprised he doesn't think the Jews rule Iceland as well.

It is a victory for international justice and a victory for morality.

Thank god for civilized europe.

He's probably an Islamic terrorist.


Then the World Champion Boston Red Sox should kidnap him and force him to play baseball!



Thank Skapedroe :D

He's probably an Islamic terrorist.

i've heard from reliable sources that him and the artist formerly known as cat stevens are plotting a massive radiological attack on kansas. they are being aided by those nuns on the government's no-fly list, who have been smuggling in plutonium in their habits.

i've heard from reliable sources that him and the artist formerly known as cat stevens are plotting a massive radiological attack on kansas. they are being aided by those nuns on the government's no-fly list, who have been smuggling in plutonium in their habits.

Michael Schiavo is the ringleader.

And John Kerry is helping to cover it all up

And not one of them knows where Kansas is!!!

because it doesn't really exist! It's a fantasy land made up by the liberal media to keep the poor poor anad discriminate against blacks.

Bobby Fischer is a criminal scumbag. He should be extradited to the US, and spend the rest of his worthless little life in Pueblo. Or better yet, Gitmo.

Choice Bobby Fischer quotations:

“You know they [Jews] invented the Holocaust story. There’s no such. There was no Holocaust of the Jews in World War II.”

“[My life is to] expose the Jews for the criminals they are, the parasites they are, the liars they are, the thieves they are, the niggers they are .... Jews were always bastards throughout history. They are liars, they are the worst pieces of shit in the world. They mutilate their own children.”

((LOL NIGGERS))

[The United States is] "a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards.”

“[P]eople don’t know this but it’s absolute fact Jews murder Christian children for their blood and they’re doing it even today they kill the kids ritually they drain the blood out of the children while they’re still alive ... just like they kill animals ... they do the most terrible tortures on like the boys they circumcise the boy’s they’ll put a crown of thorns on his head and then blindfold him slap him in the face all mocking the sufferings of Christ and after they take all the blood of the child and he dies they use this blood for their black magic ceremonies one of the things they do with his blood is they mix it into this Passover bread ... they eat it ... when they celebrate the Passover they’re eating the children’s human blood.”

((LAFFO))

yeah bobby is a few moves short of checkmate

i think that not being able to go back to the US is the appropriate punishment for playing chess in serbia.

I wish I could have gone and played chess in yugoslavia.

You never have to go back to the US *plus* you get free citizenship (and a substantial pension i've heard) from beautiful Iceland.

yeah bobby is a few moves short of checkmate

i think that not being able to go back to the US is the appropriate punishment for playing chess in serbia.
Surely you meant reward, not punishment?

He's probably an Islamic terrorist.
According to the comment he made after 9/11, he definately sympathizes with them.

Ok, so Fischer is a rabid hater of the Jewish people and definitely not a person I would care to associate with, no matter how good a chess player he might be.

Still, what's the statute of limitations on breaking a U.S. economic sanction, anyway? Seems to me that's a fairly victimless crime and there's a lot of stink being made over it for nothing. It's not like he was an American citizen in Baghdad sitting on rooftops of government buildings acting as a human shield...

According to the comment he made after 9/11, he definately sympathizes with them.

So he's wanted for thought-crime?

So he's wanted for thought-crime?
No, he's wanted for violating a travel ban to Yugoslavia. There's plenty of idiot Al Quaeda sympathizers in the USA who are walking around free. We don't punish thought or speech.

That was his crime!? That was his crime?!

That's what I thought it was --- I just oculdn't believe people would be THAT stupid... Oh man. How sad.

Well, dopey american politicians on both sides seem to have some sense that the American justice system is fair, honest, and better than that of any other nation. Look what happened when some Americans in germany tried to sue Dick Cheny via german courts. That wasnt pretty.

...
“[P]eople don’t know this but it’s absolute fact Jews murder Christian children for their blood and they’re doing it even today they kill the kids ritually they drain the blood out of the children while they’re still alive ... just like they kill animals ... they do the most terrible tortures on like the boys they circumcise the boy’s they’ll put a crown of thorns on his head and then blindfold him slap him in the face all mocking the sufferings of Christ and after they take all the blood of the child and he dies they use this blood for their black magic ceremonies one of the things they do with his blood is they mix it into this Passover bread ... they eat it ... when they celebrate the Passover they’re eating the children’s human blood.”
links?

links?
What do you need links for? It's common knowledge that Jews kidnap christian babies and use their blood in passover rituals. ;)

Choice Bobby Fischer quotations:
“You know they [Jews] invented the Holocaust story. There’s no such. There was no Holocaust of the Jews in World War II.”
...
[The United States is] "a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards.”
Any minute now...Katganistan is going to raid the thread and ask you to submit a satisfactory Link...

If you dont...she will send all this to SPAM...or lock your post...

According to the comment he made after 9/11, he definately sympathizes with them.
so?

so?
I was responding to a post that asked if he was a terrorist.

Unfortunately, Fishcer's chess game has been ruined from years of living on the "inside". On the plus side, he now knows how to make a shiv out of a rook.

He does seem like an unpleasant person.

I was responding to a post that asked if he was a terrorist.he is no terrorist.

you could be a "sympatizer" of satan...and still not be a terrorist.

Well, actually, I believe that he is also wanted for income tax evasion. Same thing they got Al Capone on. Certainly he is entitiled to his beliefs, bizarre and racist as they are. But, we are also responsible for our speech just as we are for our actions. Speech is free in this country within limits; the old hollering 'fire' in a crowded theater bit. Did he do the crimes alleged? Thats up to a court of law to decide. There was a warrant out for his arrest, and, on that basis, his extradition was sought so that the trial could be held. Should he have been charged with passport violations? Well, based on the stuff I can find, he did indeed violate travel laws in force at the time he was issued his passport. I am nto aware of any country that does not require that you observe various rules and regulations in return for being issued a passport. Were these requirements silly or unwarranted? That is a legitimate area of discussion. However, it does not alter the fact that the regulations were in force. Also, based on material in several chess sources, it is my understanding that he would have, at most, faced a small fine, had he been in court when the offense first occured and that paying the income tax owed on his Yugoslav winnings was one of the conditions. For whatever reason, he decided that this was not an option he wanted. So be it, but, as above, you are responsible for your own actions.

he is no terrorist.

you could be a "sympatizer" of satan...and still not be a terrorist.
I agree. I didn't say he was a terrorist, just a terrorist sympathizer. Why are you needlessly trying to start an argument?

Well, actually, I believe that he is also wanted for income tax evasion...
Al Capone made his revenues in US soil.

Bobby Fisher made his revenues in Yugoslavia, Iceland, Argentina, Japan, etc

I agree. I didn't say he was a terrorist, just a terrorist sympathizer. Why are you needlessly trying to start an argument?
my mistake.

*put knives away* :)

An article about Fischer's Anti-Semitic quotes

http://www.worldchessnetwork.com/English/chessNews/articles/2-3.php

I was responding to a post that asked if he was a terrorist.

No, I wasn't asking if he was a terrorist. It was a sarcastic remark. Notice the lack of a question mark.

...Fishcer's chess game has been ruined from years of living on the "inside".

Excellent. This increases my chances of pwning the bastard. :cool:

Yes, the income on which he was charged was earned in Yugoslavia. But, he wasn't out of the country for 18 months which is, I believe, still the time limit to avoid income tax on foreign earnings. At least that what it was the last time I spent any time outside the US. Could have changed, I suppose. And, he was sought originally because he violated the regulations regarding travel. Since the money was earned while he was in violation, I believe that the 18 limit does not apply. (Not a lawyer) However, he was charged, refused to appear in court, was held in contempt and then the gov't went after the earnings. Still hadn't been 18 months at that time, I don''t think. Still does nto obviate the point that he is responsible for his own actions. And, if he chooses to violate known regulations, he needs to be prepared to face possible consequences.

Yes, the income on which he was charged was earned in Yugoslavia. But, he wasn't out of the country for 18 months which is, I believe, still the time limit to avoid income tax on foreign earnings. why would anyone have to pay Income taxes to 2 different Countries?
:confused: :confused: :confused:

I mean Fuck...we pay already enough taxes as it is now...we pay more than our fair share already...

Yes, the income on which he was charged was earned in Yugoslavia. But, he wasn't out of the country for 18 months which is, I believe, still the time limit to avoid income tax on foreign earnings. At least that what it was the last time I spent any time outside the US. Could have changed, I suppose. And, he was sought originally because he violated the regulations regarding travel. Since the money was earned while he was in violation, I believe that the 18 limit does not apply. (Not a lawyer) However, he was charged, refused to appear in court, was held in contempt and then the gov't went after the earnings. Still hadn't been 18 months at that time, I don''t think. Still does nto obviate the point that he is responsible for his own actions. And, if he chooses to violate known regulations, he needs to be prepared to face possible consequences.

Known regulations? Since when is, "No, you can't go play chess in Yugoslavia," a regulation?

Oh yeah, since daddy Bush said so.

Economic sanctions....feh. A country can choose to not trade with another, however, the US government doesn't have the authority to "order" the citizenry to curtail their own business.

The whole picture is this: Bush told him not to go. He went. Since Bush was embarrassed, they went after Fisher illegally, abusing governmental power the entire way.

It doesn't matter what Fisher thinks of anyone--until he actually commits an ACTUAL crime other than "disobeying the king of America"--the US is wasting a great deal of MY money making the life of an individual miserable.

Actually, the gov't does have the authority to regulate business. Check the Constitution. And, I don't think that its just Bush (I or II) that is 'after' Bobby. Check out these links:

http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/92fs$$.htm

And

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200212/chun


And, if you work overseas, you usually do not pay taxes in the country where you are working. May not be always true for every job but is true for most. And, at least when I was overseas, your federal taxes were off-set by the amount you paid to the foreign gov't.

Two issues here: Do we pay too many taxes? Well, depends. Which of your federal/state/local taxes breaks are you willing to give up so that taxes can be lower? Is gov't inefficient? No more so than any other large agglomeration of folks with varying goals and levels of motivation trying to work together. Could we do better? Duh! Will we? Not based on my readings in history; we never have and I doubt we ever will. This is the species you are born in to.

Second, Can we disregard the laws we don't like or think are unfair. Of course! But, there is always a risk attendant to this policy. If I think that a safe speed is 75 but my state of residence thinks that it is 65, I am free to drive 75 but I should expect to pay the fine if I am pulled over. And, the facts that I have 'always driven at that speed and never, ever been pulled over before' or 'it wasn't fair! Plenty of others were speeding too' are totally irrelevant. Separate the two issues; guilt or innocence and factors of extenuation or mitigation. The latter may affect punishment but do NOT affect guilt or innocence.

BTW, if it makes a difference, he was also violating UN sanctions which is why the federal rules attendant to possessing a passport forbade travel to Yugoslavia. The sanctions in place were there because of human rights violations and were promoted by the EU.

Yes, the income on which he was charged was earned in Yugoslavia. But, he wasn't out of the country for 18 months which is, I believe, still the time limit to avoid income tax on foreign earnings. why would anyone have to pay Income taxes to 2 different Countries?
:confused: :confused: :confused:

I mean Fuck...we pay already enough taxes as it is now...we pay more than our fair share already...

Anybody paying Income taxes twice is getting mugged...

Well, I saw Fischer the terrorist on the news the other day. He said that Pres. Bush would declare him an enemy combatant, just like Captain Marvel would morph into his superhuman state by saying "shzzam!" Gotta love this guy, even if he is a slimeball.

I dislike most of the stuff that comes out of Fischer's mouth, but:

1- By going above speed limit, you may harm someone. By playing chess you may harm an opponent's ROOK, and ONLY that. For crying out loud, it's more than obvious that it's unethical to screw someone over because he WENT SOMEWHERE TO PLAY A CHESS GAME.

2- It's quite obvious that the Bush administration want his ass to play scapegoat with. He's being prosecuted for "thoughtcrime", the sanctions are but an excuse.

3- One would find it pretty understandable that, after being prosecuted by a country over a CHESS MATCH, said chess player would develop a "slight" disliking for the country; Even assuming that he held his views before, I kinda thought the 1st Ammendment of the US Constitution actually meant something.

4- He may sympathize to whatever he wants: Look at that 1st ammendment thingie and you'll see I'm right.

5- If he chose not to go back to "explain himself" and pay a "small fine", the reason is simple: He knew he was right. He knew he was under NO OBLIGATION to be judged over playing a chess match. For that show of courage, I salute him, and, on that issue, and maybe that issue alone, I agree with him.

6- It's not that hard to humiliate Bush Sr. or Bush Jr., as mr. Fischer, along with Michael Schiavo, Hugo Chávez, Jacques Chirac and several others have proven. So, by that reasoning, one would assume that, the next time Michael Schiavo goes overseas to play, say, rugby, they'll try and screw him over as well. It doesn't happen because the Bushies know fully well how utterly baseless their attempt to screw Fischer over is.

Actually, the gov't does have the authority to regulate business. Check the Constitution.The Gov should NOT have the authority to regulate business in Yugoslavia...or Cuba...or even Iraq.

Carpet bombing Cities...and assasinating Foreign Leaders...just to Impose the Bushites will...should be a WarCrime.

I dislike most of the stuff that comes out of Fischer's mouth, but:

1- By going above speed limit, you may harm someone. By playing chess you may harm an opponent's ROOK, and ONLY that. For crying out loud, it's more than obvious that it's unethical to screw someone over because he WENT SOMEWHERE TO PLAY A CHESS GAME.

2- It's quite obvious that the Bush administration want his ass to play scapegoat with. He's being prosecuted for "thoughtcrime", the sanctions are but an excuse.

3- One would find it pretty understandable that, after being prosecuted by a country over a CHESS MATCH, said chess player would develop a "slight" disliking for the country; Even assuming that he held his views before, I kinda thought the 1st Ammendment of the US Constitution actually meant something.

4- He may sympathize to whatever he wants: Look at that 1st ammendment thingie and you'll see I'm right.

5- If he chose not to go back to "explain himself" and pay a "small fine", the reason is simple: He knew he was right. He knew he was under NO OBLIGATION to be judged over playing a chess match. For that show of courage, I salute him, and, on that issue, and maybe that issue alone, I agree with him.

6- It's not that hard to humiliate Bush Sr. or Bush Jr., as mr. Fischer, along with Michael Schiavo, Hugo Chávez, Jacques Chirac and several others have proven. So, by that reasoning, one would assume that, the next time Michael Schiavo goes overseas to play, say, rugby, they'll try and screw him over as well. It doesn't happen because the Bushies know fully well how utterly baseless their attempt to screw Fischer over is.

I love your strategy: tie everything to Bush, even though the Clinton Justice Department didn't give him room to breath, either.
Anyhow, as the biography Bobby Fischer Goes to War eloquently says, Bobby Fischer did indeed declare war, and committed acts of treason. For that, he deserves to die.

why would anyone have to pay Income taxes to 2 different Countries?
:confused: :confused: :confused:

I mean Fuck...we pay already enough taxes as it is now...we pay more than our fair share already...

Anybody paying Income taxes twice is getting mugged...

I know that non-resident US citizens are exempt from income taxes on any income under US$70,000 (I don't remember if that's the exact number, as I know it's way over my income).
I may be wrong, but it is also my understanding that neither Canadians nor Australians have an tax exemption on overseas income.

On a slightly different topic, who do you guys think is a better player, and who do you think would win (two different things) out of Kasparov and Fischer.

Personnally, I think Gary is a much more complete player, but I'm not sure who would win.

On a slightly different topic, who do you guys think is a better player, and who do you think would win (two different things) out of Kasparov and Fischer.

Personnally, I think Gary is a much more complete player, but I'm not sure who would win.

It has to be Kasparov.

I once had dinner with him and there was a chequered table cloth. It took the wily bastard 2 hours to pass the salt.

It has to be Kasparov.

I once had dinner with him and there was a chequered table cloth. It took the wily bastard 2 hours to pass the salt.

did he castle with the salad first, or just go on the attack?

did he castle with the salad first, or just go on the attack?

He pwned me with the fork offensive.

I love your strategy: tie everything to Bush, even though the Clinton Justice Department didn't give him room to breath, either.
Anyhow, as the biography Bobby Fischer Goes to War eloquently says, Bobby Fischer did indeed declare war, and committed acts of treason. For that, he deserves to die.

Then go kill him for PLAYING A CHESS MATCH, why don't you. This is sheer psychopathy.

Then go kill him for PLAYING A CHESS MATCH, why don't you. This is sheer psychopathy.
I'd love to if I could get to Iceland. I'd push him off a glacier and into a hotspring, there. He loved Iceland sooooooooooooo much in the 1970s, so I'll make sure that he gets to see the whole country.

I'd love to if I could get to Iceland. I'd push him off a glacier and into a hotspring, there. He loved Iceland sooooooooooooo much in the 1970s, so I'll make sure that he gets to see the whole country.

Then you'd get rightfully arrested and sentenced for something that MATTERS, namely killing a human being.

Who gives a rat's ass about Bobby Fischer?

Who gives a rat's ass about Bobby Fischer?

The chess world, numerous media outlets (this story made front page news several times both in the Japanese and international press) the US government, the Japanese immigration service, Iceland, and (to all apperances) at least some of the posters here, to name a few.

The chess world, numerous media outlets (this story made front page news several times both in the Japanese and international press) the US government, the Japanese immigration service, Iceland, and (to all apperances) at least some of the posters here, to name a few.

I know that much. I'm just saying, as a percentage of the world's total population, how many actually care?

Such a small percentage as to be irrelevant.

I know that much. I'm just saying, as a percentage of the world's total population, how many actually care?

Such a small percentage as to be irrelevant.

Most people here do not care, just a few chess players thats all.

Most people here do not care, just a few chess players thats all.
As chess players go, Bobby is a has-been.

I welcome him to my country and hope he may now live in peace for the rest of his life. Velkomin til Íslands Róbert Fischer!


Here is something you did not know, He has a "master chess player" status here in Iceland so he will get a very nice Icelandic 401 K from the Icelandic Chess Federation. Good for him!

Take good care of him, he deserves it. And maybe instead of knights, it would be fun to use longboats.

Take good care of him, he deserves it. And maybe instead of knights, it would be fun to use longboats.

Funny ha ha
He can work for pay just like every other person here.

As chess players go, Bobby is a has-been.
Like I said, a few chess players.

Bobby Fischer is still very crazy. Here's a section from a recent Times article about him, with a lot of his quotes:

The Jews, he said, were “filthy, lying, bastard people” bent on world domination, while the Holocaust was “a money-making invention”.

Such tirades were all the more surprising because his parents were Jewish. He felt the same paranoia about the Russians. He was reported to have had all his dental fillings removed because he feared the Russians were using them to transmit radio signals to his brain. Sometimes he travelled with a suitcase full of pills. “If the commies come to poison me, I don’t want to make it easy for them,” he declared.

Fischer became a devotee of the Worldwide Church of God, a California-based evangelical sect, only to claim later that it had taken hundreds of dollars from him. He switched his rabid attacks from commies to America, at one point adopting an e-mail address stating “US-is-shit”. He finally burnt his boats with his homeland after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. He told a radio station in the Philippines that Al-Qaeda’s action was “wonderful news . . . I applaud the act. F*** the US. I want to see the US wiped out”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1543033,00.html

He should really be getting some mental help. But he's rich and quite famous, so I guess he's just eccentric now instead! :rolleyes:

Funny ha ha
He can work for pay just like every other person here.

I never said to give him a free ride, I just make sure he has enough tourneys to play. Even at that, the guy's putting on years, it won't be long before he has to retire like everyone else.