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I came across this story (http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php) from Bush's brother's state. Florida wants to pass a law encouraging students to sue for professors not taking them seriously.

The Socratic method is now seen as a vehichle by which to humiliate students? Time was it was the best way to help people learn the material. Doesn't the fact that you've signed up to learn from a professor mean that you're already acknowleging that they know stuff that you don't?

Your biology professor says that a cast will fix a bone better than prayer?
Sue 'em.

Your astronomy professor thinks that the world is more than 6,000 years old?
Sue 'em.

Your economics professor thinks that Regan's economic policy of borrowing money, increasing spending and not collecting taxes was a bad idea?
Sue 'em, and charge him with blasphemy.

I know that conservatives have taken to calling anyone who knows more about the world than they do an elitist, but frankly their wallowing at the intellectual trough is really starting to make me sick.

And people wonder why I say conservatives praise ignorance and intolerance.

see - a professor is a professor cause he/she knows something - a students a student cause they are learning - you should get bad marks if you just go into a class and keep your own ideas you had before and not learn anything - if you did know something you would be the professor - and not the student

I can just see where this is going :headbang:. first I can have empathy for you and, any that would hold this accute fear that there is a wave form the right coming and that no one sees it or is going to stop them. Take heart my friend(s) I still hold out hope that such poorly written laws will never see the the floor without the :gundge: taken out of them. And, hey look on the bright side if these *&^^^**& ever do manage to pass a meaningful piece of *&^^ law we can look forward to the bash oops Bush brothers to fall on if face first with their be loved tort reform :headbang: .
have a good night. :D

There is already another thread on this topic here... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407165)

And people wonder why I say conservatives praise ignorance and intolerance.

People probably wonder why you would call Bush, or in this case Jeb Bush, a conservative. More "conservative" than the Democrats, yes. But not a conservative.

As to the larger issue posed by the "Bushian politics of small government" schpiel, I don't think anyone but someone with something to gain from dishonesty would claim that Bush's style of Republicanism is in keeping with the federalist, conservative-style governing that Republicans were renowned for and which I could respect them for. My personal opinion on the matter is that Bush is simply the culmination of the Republican Party coming to terms with the authoritarian nature of the welfare state that FDR created and using it to their advantage.

Really, nobody claims the Republicans are the party of small government anymore. Anyone who does is trying to sell something.

Really, nobody claims the Republicans are the party of small government anymore. Anyone who does is trying to sell something.Agreed, and they usually are.

I came across this story (http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php) from Bush's brother's state. Florida wants to pass a law encouraging students to sue for professors not taking them seriously.

The Socratic method is now seen as a vehichle by which to humiliate students? Time was it was the best way to help people learn the material. Doesn't the fact that you've signed up to learn from a professor mean that you're already acknowleging that they know stuff that you don't?

Your biology professor says that a cast will fix a bone better than prayer?
Sue 'em.

Your astronomy professor thinks that the world is more than 6,000 years old?
Sue 'em.

Your economics professor thinks that Regan's economic policy of borrowing money, increasing spending and not collecting taxes was a bad idea?
Sue 'em, and charge him with blasphemy.

I know that conservatives have taken to calling anyone who knows more about the world than they do an elitist, but frankly their wallowing at the intellectual trough is really starting to make me sick.

And people wonder why I say conservatives praise ignorance and intolerance.

Funny thing is..(ha-ha-ha!) We conservatives say it about those liberals too. Isn't that crazy..and funny at the same time??

OK seriously, after reading most of that paper, I think it is a little over the top. Actually..completely over the top. Whether you are being singled out, disrespected, not taught what you want, or whatever, so what. You do not need a law that gives you permission to sue. Plus, I look forward to being made fun of and tested on my beliefs when I go to college.

I'm sorry, but Carbon Dating disproves the whole shebam with the Creationist theory. They're just so desperate to not be swallowed up with the modern world...

Creationist theory - sometimes doesnt date the earth back as physical evidence (in the form of large temples) - of the egyptians - let alone all the millions of years of fossil evidence of the earths existence before that - but yeah - any creationist that go back only 4000 years before chirst - is still before recorded human history

I came across this story (http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php) from Bush's brother's state. Florida wants to pass a law encouraging students to sue for professors not taking them seriously.

The Socratic method is now seen as a vehichle by which to humiliate students? Time was it was the best way to help people learn the material. Doesn't the fact that you've signed up to learn from a professor mean that you're already acknowleging that they know stuff that you don't?

Your biology professor says that a cast will fix a bone better than prayer?
Sue 'em.

Your astronomy professor thinks that the world is more than 6,000 years old?
Sue 'em.

Your economics professor thinks that Regan's economic policy of borrowing money, increasing spending and not collecting taxes was a bad idea?
Sue 'em, and charge him with blasphemy.

I know that conservatives have taken to calling anyone who knows more about the world than they do an elitist, but frankly their wallowing at the intellectual trough is really starting to make me sick.

And people wonder why I say conservatives praise ignorance and intolerance.
Bush's Patriot Act proved that Bush isn't for small government. Bush is not just a Conservative. He's an Evangelical, Neoconservative. They're fascists who feel it's their duty to turn America into a police state, where they can enforce Judeo-Christian ethics, by banning gay marriage, banning abortion, banning evolution from schools, banning pornography, banning rap music, removing secular humanism from colleges, and getting rid of civil liberties by putting forth the most unconstitutional bill in history.

What I find funny about that story is that people using the Socratic method are being charged with:
#1. Not believing in God.
#2. Using the weaker argument to defeat the stronger.
#3. Corrupting the youth.

Those are the same meaningless charges which were brought against Socrates, in Rome. If you're intimidated, go whine about it at ChristianScience.com or something. Just because you can't defend yourself in an argument with a professor is no reason to sue.