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http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.
Bush as President?

:p

ok, ok...sorry


yea, thats an incredibely stupid thing...why cant you sue for being taught creationism?

Bush as President?

:p

ok, ok...sorry


yea, thats an incredibely stupid thing...why cant you sue for being taught creationism?

Heh, good idea! If the teacher decides to teach creationism...SUE! :D

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?

Cr-ap...

Not only will this result in shameless lawsuits...but will aid in the dumbing down of society. And here I was thinking that Mississippi was the most backwards state in the union.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?

i don't believe this.

my lawyer will be contacting you shortly.

Could I sue if I believed the teacher had no brain?

Pretty soon, you can be sued solely for trying to educate.

Edit: I'll stop playing with this, I promise.

Could I sue if I believed the teacher had no brain?

Don't quote me on this but I think it's about the curriculum. Any cranial defects the instructor may have do not apply because that would be discrimination, and hence, illegal. :)

So Republicans are all for friviolus law suits again? Phew! As a law student I thought they were going to put me out of a job.

I believe the idea behind the bill was to be able to file lawsuits for teachers that refused to acknowledge other beliefs as plausable and would tell students they are wrong and/or publicly humiliate them.

Sure, they are going overboard, but yes, teachers do single people out, especially when it comes to the concept of evolutionism vs creationism.

yea, thats an incredibely stupid thing...why cant you sue for being taught creationism?

Actually, you can (and have) sue for being taught "creationism". Or for teachers mentioning the Judeo-Christian God in class. Or even the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, for gosh sake. Why NOT add "evolution" to the list?

Actually, you can (and have) sue for being taught "creationism". Or for teachers mentioning the Judeo-Christian God in class. Or even the PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, for gosh sake. Why NOT add "evolution" to the list?
im glad i live in a relatively sane country

I believe the idea behind the bill was to be able to file lawsuits for teachers that refused to acknowledge other beliefs as plausable and would tell students they are wrong and/or publicly humiliate them.

Sure, they are going overboard, but yes, teachers do single people out, especially when it comes to the concept of evolutionism vs creationism.

Worse is when a evolutionist teacher decides to give poor grades to a student in a science course simply because he/she cannot force that student to believe exactly what his/her teacher believes. A daily occurrence in our great nation.

not quite as bumb as the warning labels science textbooks in alabama are required to have.

a bigger waste of money, but not as dumb

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1995/dec95/biology.html



"warning, this book may cause you to become more intelligent, and cause you to question the beliefs imposed on you by your parents" :p

Worse is when a evolutionist teacher decides to give poor grades to a student in a science course simply because he/she cannot force that student to believe exactly what his/her teacher believes. A daily occurrence in our great nation.

I agree, and have seen it happen.

While this FL law may not be the BEST thing to happen, it's rather an interesting thing to see all the uproar it causes - when it's been going on, behind the scenes, from the OTHER side of the line for some time, now.

This is insane. This is saying that in Flordia, people who think that they are being showen things that go against their beliefs can sue you. Immagine if you were never shown anything but what you already beleaved in? Immagine! you'd never learn anything new. EVER. The U.S. is already considered by most of the 1st world countries to be the most backword. Up till now, I was content to say that those who were called "Elitists" for this view were getting more or less what they deserved. But this is insane. If the U.S. citizens wern't considered backwords and unworldy in their view now, and this thing was passed in the country, think in 10 years. No one would know anything except what they wanted to believe.

I believe the idea behind the bill was to be able to file lawsuits for teachers that refused to acknowledge other beliefs as plausable and would tell students they are wrong and/or publicly humiliate them.

Sure, they are going overboard, but yes, teachers do single people out, especially when it comes to the concept of evolutionism vs creationism.

Well, if the Socratic method says they must defend their beliefs. If they can't defend their beliefs the fault lies with them and their beliefs, not their educators whose only fault is presenting the facts.

They will feel 'singled out' if they stand up in class to defend their beliefs. They will become 'embarrassed' and 'angry' when they are ultimately unable to do so. Rather than modify their beliefs and face reality, they bitch about 'fascist professors' and sue.

If you can't be right, be angry.

i don't believe this.

my lawyer will be contacting you shortly.
Hey, i was really getting into reading that, and now you've gone and fluffed it all up with your sensitivity. I'm offended!
My lawyers will contact your lawyers.

The thing is, Science teachers teach science. And since science is always changing and expanding, they have no choice but to teach what the current scientific community belives is true. Which is evolution.

can I sue a sunday school teacher for teaching Creationism? A sunday school teacher teaches what the religious community belives is true.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?
Hahaha. They want to sue because professors use the Socratic method, hahahahaha.

If you can be damaged by the Socratic method, then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That's the point of it.

Professors are there to teach. It's funny how liberal ideals are looked at like Communism in that their 'indoctrination' is such a large problem. If you're idiotic enough to accept professors' opinions as absolutely true, then you're not paying attention to what college professors have been teaching. One important idea that most professors teach is that you go out, do the research, and discover the truth for yourself. This "indoctrination" crap is bullshit.

I know what they mean, to feel ridiculed by professors for debating. I've had debates with professors before where they were clearly wrong, in my opinion, but would not concede, out of arrogance. A large number of professors are arrogant. That's definitely true, even at my community college. But "indoctrination"? No. The professor doesn't test you on their opinions. When the professors say something that's total bullshit that I'm not being tested on, it's not a big deal. I just tune it out and give it no regard.

But I don't want to see colleges get sued and have tuition go up even higher. For example, in my philosophy classes, I've seen my philosophy professor get two different students proclaim rather sharply that his interpretations of Ayn Rand are incorrect and biased. He deals with it rather well, as he's usually facetious and uses hyperboles, conceding that some of her ideas were good, that he's obviously biased, and that we should all research things for ourselves. That's how MOST professors have been, in my experience. But I don't want to see guys like my philosophy professor get sued.

Conservatives use religion for indoctrination as well (not even promoting open-mindedness) and religious schools do this. Should we be able to sue them, too? No. Of course not. Just the liberals. Only the liberals.

Worse is when a evolutionist teacher decides to give poor grades to a student in a science course simply because he/she cannot force that student to believe exactly what his/her teacher believes. A daily occurrence in our great nation.
Worse than THAT is when some person assumes that when things are presented IN A SCIENTIFIC ENVIRONMENT they are an affront to their sensitivities, and that it must be a personal attack on them and that they should be sued so the offended person's incorruptible little mindset can get some vitriolic vindictiveness, while completely ignoring what can be weighed scientifically and what should be left in the same judicial arena as santa claus and the easter bunny.
Keep your creationism in the realm it belongs, not based on fact but superstition and assumption, and keep evolution where it belongs, where evidence is supplementing it and a person can interpret REALITY with it as well as be able to make sound judgments and predictions. Creationism is great if you like to have an unsound argument where "it is because it is, it says so" and then you supplement that with the "tastes great, less filling" argument to show you really do believe that it's worthy of weighted debate.
I've already posted a couple of times, but here, try the Avida project and try typing up anopheles (last year) and ambulocetus natans. Or better yet, LOOK the whole topic up and do some comparison. Oh wait, is that what a teacher tries to do, teach? Show you how to do for yourself? Is that offensive or something? Gonna sue me?
Maybe the grade thing is simply an indicator that the student doesn't pay attention to the curriculum or simply cannot grasp the subject matter. Or won't.

i have a question. everybody here agrees that its outrageous that something that isnt scientific is being presented as science. so why do u keep posting?

admittedly ranting is fun. please disregard my comment and continue talking to brick walls.

Worse is when a evolutionist teacher decides to give poor grades to a student in a science course simply because he/she cannot force that student to believe exactly what his/her teacher believes. A daily occurrence in our great nation.
I'm sorry, but does a kid get a bad grade in a science class (where you can't really be subjective at all with marking) because they refuse to learn the material? Or because they refuse to believe it?

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean you can't learn it and regurgitate it for testing purposes. You don't have to believe everything you're taught. You do have to learn it though.

Dammit, and I went and looked for a thread on this before starting a new one.

oh well.

Am I alone in thinking that people should start signing up at Christian colleges and suing for being criticized for believing in secular humanism and evolution?

To quote Asimov, creationists make it seem like a "theory" is something you dreamt up one night during a drunken stupor. "I disagree, teacher, I don't think 2+2=4. I'm suing."

NO other non-theocracy country has their government treat evolutionism as if it were a simple "hypothesis". NO OTHER. It's high time the US people grow up and STOP TRYING TO GET RELIGIOUS FILTH IN THE SCIENCE CLASS! If they don't like the fact that science disproves what an old book said, TOUGH. I hope teachers sue the churches for spewing the creationism crap as well, to get back the cash that these idiots will be LEGALLY ROBBING them of.

edit: And Domici, no you're not alone. Let the ACTUAL teachers get every penny the creationist scum have.

So Republicans are all for friviolus law suits again? Phew! As a law student I thought they were going to put me out of a job.It's a frivilous lawsuit in a way that supports big government. Double negative cancels itself out.Worse is when a evolutionist teacher decides to give poor grades to a student in a science course simply because he/she cannot force that student to believe exactly what his/her teacher believes. A daily occurrence in our great nation.ERm... is it that the kid doesn't believe it, or that they don't understand it? I mean, I can probably recite the first couple chapters of Genesis, so I "understand" the Christian creation myths, but I don't believe them. If you can't explain the mechanisms of evolution, then it doesn't matter if you're willing to fellatiate Charles Darwin, or have an altar to him in your closet. You still deserve a bad grade.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

“Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

Yeah... and if we take this as representative of when a student should sue you should also drag that prof who had the nerve to insist the earth circles the sun into a courtroom just because he didn't respect your "the earth is the absolute center of the universe" views.

If idiocy like this keeps making progress in the states the U.S. is completely doomed.

don't you realize? you are already doomed

- but yeah seriously - why is a law going through that includes the language "leftist" even... let alone "leftist totalitarianism" - thats pretty scary no matter who you voted for - and on the topic of voted for - how did a guy like this baxley get in?

This is insane. This is saying that in Flordia, people who think that they are being showen things that go against their beliefs can sue you. Immagine if you were never shown anything but what you already beleaved in? Immagine! you'd never learn anything new. EVER. The U.S. is already considered by most of the 1st world countries to be the most backword. Up till now, I was content to say that those who were called "Elitists" for this view were getting more or less what they deserved. But this is insane. If the U.S. citizens wern't considered backwords and unworldy in their view now, and this thing was passed in the country, think in 10 years. No one would know anything except what they wanted to believe.

That is not what this article is saying in the slightest..
Its saying that if a student is penialized by public redicule or failing grades for the sole purpose that the student does not simply "BUY" what the teacher is selling... there are grounds for legal action.. obviously there are much about grading which is far from subjective.. mainly tests.. in science classes and courses most are quantitiative focusing around a mulitple choice examation. This is largely objective (as are mathmatics)... however other classes such as women studies classes, political science classes, Psychology classes, history classes all of whom reference and propagate evolution as the sole answer are by far more subjective in grading requiring essays and the expression of ideas. It is in THIS issue which the legislation is targeting. Ive long swollowed much of my professors backward ideas simply to recieve a grade and long watched determine students to express a differeing viewpoint go down in flames simply for voicing opposition without consideration or debate. To this note I applaude this legislation, professors are largely dictators and our education system is largely controled by liberal teachers/professors (by the findings of most studies done on our education system).
Obviously this bill is still in its early stages and stands much more scrutiny.. i suspect it will not survive.. let alone unchanged.. however, it is obviouse that this leglislation has no proper appliation when speaking of science classes as science itself is based on the idea of evolution.. to argue evolution here would be inaprorpaite..

and backwards by whose terms ?? Europe ? Western Civilization.. are you saying CHINA is more forward then the US when it comes to society and belifs ?? maybe the middle east.. surely Africa.... >.> Just whose dribble are you spewing here.

you all are looking at evolution solely through scientific terms, HOWEVER this bill is meant to target universities and colleges, and in these acedemic environments ideas such as evolution often wander from the realm of Science.. Many women studies classes will reference evolution (And if you disagree on a paper or with the teacher in class) you may expect a big fat F! ive seen it happen .. its not uncommon. These topics also wander into realms of history, and social sciences, in psychology and so forth.. Evolution in a university context is not kept in the realms of which it was meant.. namely science. As a political scientists I only took 1 science class being Chemistry and I would have to estimate I confronted the study of evoultion and its propgation in approximatly 30% of my classes at MINIMUM.

Cool. America sounds likes a great place for lawyers.

another article http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/08/m1a_freespeech_0308.html

and does anyone know much about Baxley's education? - it seems he went to 3 different schools over the course of 4 years Central Florida Community College; Florida State University, B.A., Sociology/Psychology; Miami-Dade Community College -

but its kinda unclear as to what kind of degrees he has earned if any - does anyone know more about this - maybe why he seems to have only spend 2 years at Florida State?

another article http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/08/m1a_freespeech_0308.html

and does anyone know much about Baxley's education? - it seems he went to 3 different schools over the course of 4 years Central Florida Community College; Florida State University, B.A., Sociology/Psychology; Miami-Dade Community College -

but its kinda unclear as to what kind of degrees he has earned if any - does anyone know more about this - maybe why he seems to have only spend 2 years at Florida State?

After reading this I only re-affirm my position even greater with far more approval for the legislation... this qoute alone sets the circumstances

" Although the bill states that professors have the right to academic freedom, it also says students should not "be infringed upon by instructors who persistently introduce controversial matter into the classroom that has no relation to the subject of study and serves no (teaching) purpose."

Obviously then evolution cannot be argued in a scientific setting, however, if a psychology professor, or a woman studies professor, or even a history/political science professor were to be promoting this ideology clearly taking evolution out of its biological context to relate to social aspects of our life... they cannot discrimantly target students voicing opposition!!

Its clear people are simply reading the headlines and not looking at the context of the story/legislation. Your reading what you want to read, not what is actually there.. Students cannot now run to their bio teachers claiming lawsuites because they dont belive in evolution... but they can sue if they are failed or publically ostricised because some woman studies teacher is pushing science as the end all answer over any other theory of human creation.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?

What retards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inebri-Nation
another article http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c...peech_0308.html

and does anyone know much about Baxley's education? - it seems he went to 3 different schools over the course of 4 years Central Florida Community College; Florida State University, B.A., Sociology/Psychology; Miami-Dade Community College -

but its kinda unclear as to what kind of degrees he has earned if any - does anyone know more about this - maybe why he seems to have only spend 2 years at Florida State?



After reading this I only re-affirm my position even greater with far more approval for the legislation... this qoute alone sets the circumstances

Why? - i just want to know what formal education he's received? - how does that prove your point?

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?
Oh Christ. My state's done it again. :rolleyes: How fucking embarrasing.

Its clear people are simply reading the headlines and not looking at the context of the story/legislation. Your reading what you want to read, not what is actually there.. Students cannot now run to their bio teachers claiming lawsuites because they dont belive in evolution... but they can sue if they are failed or publically ostricised because some woman studies teacher is pushing science as the end all answer over any other theory of human creation.

Actually this is a veiled attempt to force creationism in the classroom. Now the teacher can't say "I don't want to hear it"

I have been in lecture hall with these people and they disrupted the class with arugments. Now if the teacher says shutup they can sue because they were "humiliated" for speaking their beliefs.

Obviously then evolution cannot be argued in a scientific setting, however, if a psychology professor, or a woman studies professor, or even a history/political science professor were to be promoting this ideology clearly taking evolution out of its biological context to relate to social aspects of our life... they cannot discrimantly target students voicing opposition!!

Sounds like a strawman to me.

Such instances are rare at best. This bill is about the science classroom.

Obviously then evolution cannot be argued in a scientific setting, however, if a psychology professor, or a woman studies professor, or even a history/political science professor were to be promoting this ideology clearly taking evolution out of its biological context to relate to social aspects of our life... they cannot discrimantly target students voicing opposition!!Evolution is relevant to psychology and several other sciences; biology isn't the only discipline that uses the science that has come from Evolution.

In addition, the study of mankind prior to recorded history has quite a bit to do with Evolution.

It's pervasive, Invidentia.

Once again, there is Christian persecution in America. And, as always, the Christians are the ones doing the persecuting.

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?
*sues* :D

*sues* :D
I don't believe you should sue, I'm suing!


“Some professors say, ‘Evolution is a fact. I don’t want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don’t like it, there’s the door,’” Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

Yeah... and if we take this as representative of when a student should sue you should also drag that prof who had the nerve to insist the earth circles the sun into a courtroom just because he didn't respect your "the earth is the absolute center of the universe" views.

If idiocy like this keeps making progress in the states the U.S. is completely doomed.

Creationist theory !=Intelligent Design!
They do not equal. They are very similar, but are not the same.

So in a science class when we speaking about the origen of life: I can say what about Intelligent Design, Aliens, or Creationism (different from Id because it directly states God did it).
Cool, can I also believe that that dragons came from demons experiments on dinosuars?

Just came on to the board and saw this...wow. How can anyone sue if they don't like what they are hearing? This is ridiculous, and sets a lot of unfortunate precedents. Will this mean that the curriculum will have to be "edited" to fit the viewpoint of a particular person for fear of a lawsuit? This flies directy in the face of all of the intellectual freedoms that should exist in the classroom. Evolution is a vital part of modern biology because it works, not because it is an alternative to creationism. Acts like these are the first step towards another scientific dark age.

Wow... you yankees can sue for almost anything these days.

It's true that some teachers are stupid and will target a student solely for their political or religious beliefs. It's also true that some students are stupid and prefer not trying to learn the material citing religious or political grounds. Both sould be flayed.

However, this bill doesn't really worry me that much. It says that mention should be given to "other serious scholastic positions." Creationism can't stand serious scientific scrutiny.

I think religious nuts are trying to bite more than they can chew, and withoug any need, since religion and science have their own very well delimited realms that would allow for happy coexistance if it weren't for the thought police.

Wow... you yankees can sue for almost anything these days.
Careful, Inbreedia, you could get sued for saying that.

“Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don’t want to hear" -Baxley

It's not just evolution. And that quote above almost makes me cry. Apparently, we have to make sure that everyone is in their own little insulated bubble, so that they never have to have their beliefs questioned. Personally, I like it when I have to argue my beliefs in class.

Oh, and has anyone noticed that evolution is called 'just a theory' by it's opponents? I think they're getting theories and hypothesises mixed up here.

Wow... you yankees can sue for almost anything these days.

Hey, our republican politicians are foremost in preventing people from suing for medical malpractice. Especially those who have a legitimate grievance. :rolleyes:

So let me get this straight...according to the article:

"I believe that the world is flat"

"Why do you think that?"

"I'm not going to tell you. Now give me some money for asking me to explain myself."

This bill wouldn't even require a serious objection to sue. It would just require them to disagree with the material. Then it contradicst itself by suggesting professors should teach "serious alternate theories" even if it challenges the students beliefs. Wow, brilliant idea that is. Create a bill that allows students to sure professors and universities for teaching things they disagree with and THEN suggest the professors teach things that professors should teach things their students disagree with.

FFS, as though Americans needed another reason to bring frivolous lawsuits against each other, now Florida's okaying even more retarded lawsuits? Man that country needs sorting out. I'm studying American politics at the moment and I'm enjoying it. The political system appears to work ... but it's engulfed in this crap, that can only be described as pure idiocy.

For some reason, there appears to be striking resemblance between the US government and the Catholic Church during the time of Galileo Galilei. At least, they are getting there.

Poor America. :(

That bill is perhaps the most damaging piece of paper in the free world.

For some reason, there appears to be striking resemblance between the US government and the Catholic Church during the time of Galileo Galilei. At least, they are getting there.

Poor America. :(

Well, the prospect of being sued for all your worth isn't quite as bad as the Spanish Inquisition. But you're right, they are getting there.

(Second time I've posted this today):

http://www.geocities.com/zatapatiqueflysheep/nobody.jpg

Well. Fuck 'em.

I'm getting tired about worrying about other states. Let them do whatever stupid shit they like in Florida. I'm not going to sweat this until it goes national.

That is not what this article is saying in the slightest..
Its saying that if a student is penialized by public redicule or failing grades for the sole purpose that the student does not simply "BUY" what the teacher is selling... there are grounds for legal action.. obviously there are much about grading which is far from subjective.. mainly tests.. in science classes and courses most are quantitiative focusing around a mulitple choice examation. This is largely objective (as are mathmatics)... however other classes such as women studies classes, political science classes, Psychology classes, history classes all of whom reference and propagate evolution as the sole answer are by far more subjective in grading requiring essays and the expression of ideas. It is in THIS issue which the legislation is targeting. Ive long swollowed much of my professors backward ideas simply to recieve a grade and long watched determine students to express a differeing viewpoint go down in flames simply for voicing opposition without consideration or debate. To this note I applaude this legislation, professors are largely dictators and our education system is largely controled by liberal teachers/professors (by the findings of most studies done on our education system).
Obviously this bill is still in its early stages and stands much more scrutiny.. i suspect it will not survive.. let alone unchanged.. however, it is obviouse that this leglislation has no proper appliation when speaking of science classes as science itself is based on the idea of evolution.. to argue evolution here would be inaprorpaite..

and backwards by whose terms ?? Europe ? Western Civilization.. are you saying CHINA is more forward then the US when it comes to society and belifs ?? maybe the middle east.. surely Africa.... >.> Just whose dribble are you spewing here.

you all are looking at evolution solely through scientific terms, HOWEVER this bill is meant to target universities and colleges, and in these acedemic environments ideas such as evolution often wander from the realm of Science.. Many women studies classes will reference evolution (And if you disagree on a paper or with the teacher in class) you may expect a big fat F! ive seen it happen .. its not uncommon. These topics also wander into realms of history, and social sciences, in psychology and so forth.. Evolution in a university context is not kept in the realms of which it was meant.. namely science. As a political scientists I only took 1 science class being Chemistry and I would have to estimate I confronted the study of evoultion and its propgation in approximatly 30% of my classes at MINIMUM.


Belief is not figured into the grade ... knoledge is ... just because he did not beleive is NO reason not to study for a class

There are PLENTY of topics in ethnic studies/philosophy courses ... so on and so forth that I did not AGREE WITH but I still knew them for the test anyways! (in fact I probably knew them better because I knew the parts of what the teacher said that I did not buy)

florida is F'd up and has been since the 2000 election circus. i think they get too much sun.

Florida's always struck me as being the dangling, impotent penis of the United States.

This just proves it.

Is this really true? USA is truly a difficult country to understand.

FFS, as though Americans needed another reason to bring frivolous lawsuits against each other, now Florida's okaying even more retarded lawsuits? Man that country needs sorting out. I'm studying American politics at the moment and I'm enjoying it. The political system appears to work ... but it's engulfed in this crap, that can only be described as pure idiocy.

What! I'm aghast! "only described as pure idiocy indeed."

I'll have you know it can also be described as sheer lunacy.

Is this really true? USA is truly a difficult country to understand.
It just passed a committee it hasn't passed either house of the Florida legislature yet. Most bills just die somewhere along the process, very few actually become law, and this one is no exception.

Is this really true? USA is truly a difficult country to understand.

You said a mouthful.
I have been here all my life (and that's quite a few years) and I still don't understand half the things that go on.

Has anybody yet said anything about what this might do to higher ed. in Florida? It's quite possible that, if this thing actually gets put into practice, it might substantially reduce the appeal of teaching in Florida. More to the point, it might reduce the room for debate in the classroom. And I've always thought that one of the major points of any school is to introduce new perspectives and viewpoints. Now students could sue for being introduced to new perspectives and views?

man, 2010 cannot come soon enough.

what's in 2010, you ask?

i graduate college (probably a five year comp sci. program at RIT, RPI, or IIT) and can finally move out of this damn country.

ahahahhaha, jesus tapdancaing christ, america needs another revolution fast.
People with sense vs. religous wack jobs

I think i read a chick track like this, a professor was teaching natural science or something giving a lecture on evolution, needless to there was a fundamentalist evangelical in the class who claimed evolution was wrong because their where sea shells on mountains, long story short the professor quit because he looses all faith in science or something.

So Republicans are all for friviolus law suits again? Phew! As a law student I thought they were going to put me out of a job.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll be able to chase some ambulances and help to drive the increase of health insurance prices/cost...

THINK HEFTY PUNITIVE DAMAGES!

lmao

http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php

Most retarded thing to come out of Florida since the last retarded thing to come out of Florida.

If you don't believe evolution is real, you can sue...

If you don't believe the Holocaust happened, you can sue...

Don't believe we landed on the moon? SUE!

Need I even mention that this Bill should not be made into law?

Maybe professors...and all other smart people for that matter...should go where they are more welcome, like California or any other blue state. Although I'm from NC, I'm smart enough to know where I am and am not welcome.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll be able to chase some ambulances and help to drive the increase of health insurance prices/cost...

THINK HEFTY PUNITIVE DAMAGES!

lmao
send me a telegram if you ever slip on a bannana peel.

Its clear people are simply reading the headlines and not looking at the context of the story/legislation. Your reading what you want to read, not what is actually there.. Students cannot now run to their bio teachers claiming lawsuites because they dont belive in evolution... but they can sue if they are failed or publically ostricised because some woman studies teacher is pushing science as the end all answer over any other theory of human creation."As per the teachings of my religion, I believe that women were created by God from distilled star-light and placed upon the planet to rid the earth of the Devil's X chromosome. Naturally, I will be writing all of my essays in this Women's Studies course from that perspective.

"Mark me down, bitch! I dare you!"

Maybe professors...and all other smart people for that matter...should go where they are more welcome, like California or any other blue state. Although I'm from NC, I'm smart enough to know where I am and am not welcome.

I was waiting for the baseless "Liberals are smarter..." comment and WE HAVE A WINNER!

You know, it is possible to have convictions AND be highly intelligent!

Do NOT fall into the pit of believing that open-mindedness equals (necessarily) intelligence...

intelligence has to do with such concepts as memory, creativity, ability to solve problems using logic, ability to add as if you were a calculator, etc.

In fact, I would imagine that libs and conservatives' average IQ scores would be pretty much equal. (most business people/bankers -- or anyone who has to handle money -- are republicans, while most lawyers are democrats. Many poor people are democrats because they believe that the Democrats will give them what they want (although I'm sure there are poor republicans, probably many of whom live in the South).

well these are just a few random ramblings from one who is growing tired at work and wants to go home immediately. hehe

I was waiting for the baseless "Liberals are smarter..." comment and WE HAVE A WINNER!

You know, it is possible to have convictions AND be highly intelligent!

Do NOT fall into the pit of believing that open-mindedness equals (necessarily) intelligence...
You can't have been looking too hard for those pits: you missed the one labelled "only conversatives have convictions".

I was waiting for the baseless "Liberals are smarter..." comment and WE HAVE A WINNER!

You know, it is possible to have convictions AND be highly intelligent!

Hey, buddy, this law most directly fucks precisely those people. If an intelligent professor stands by their convictions, they're the ones who will butt heads with the students. It's the clash of strongly-held beliefs that's the problem. Spineless, moral-relativist liberals can flip-flop their way into agreeing with the student, no prob.

This bill is retarded from either side of the aisle.

I was waiting for the baseless "Liberals are smarter..." comment and WE HAVE A WINNER!

You know, it is possible to have convictions AND be highly intelligent!

Do NOT fall into the pit of believing that open-mindedness equals (necessarily) intelligence...

intelligence has to do with such concepts as memory, creativity, ability to solve problems using logic, ability to add as if you were a calculator, etc.

In fact, I would imagine that libs and conservatives' average IQ scores would be pretty much equal. (most business people/bankers -- or anyone who has to handle money -- are republicans, while most lawyers are democrats. Many poor people are democrats because they believe that the Democrats will give them what they want (although I'm sure there are poor republicans, probably many of whom live in the South).

well these are just a few random ramblings from one who is growing tired at work and wants to go home immediately. hehe
The conservatives arn't doing much to show their intelligent when saying they hate frivolous lawsutis then empowering and encouraging students to sue professors and universities who teach ideas tehy agree with assuming some great fight against "the left." Woo, who would ever think the liberals are smarter

You know, it is possible to have convictions AND be highly intelligent!

I was waiting for the baseless "Liberals have no convictions..." comment and WE HAVE A WINNER!

Guess your point about liberals and conservatives being pretty much the same is right, though.

Once again, there is Christian persecution in America. And, as always, the Christians are the ones doing the persecuting.
Hear, hear!
*clangs his cracked bell*

Hear, hear!
*clangs his cracked bell*


would that be the liberty bell?

you know it's illegal to vandalize historical relics, don't you?

we're going to have to cart you away for that




anyway

i agree with you completely

Florida's always struck me as being the dangling, impotent penis of the United States.

This just proves it.
I agree with you on SO MANY levels.
*nods*

would that be the liberty bell?

you know it's illegal to vandalize historical relics, don't you?

we're going to have to cart you away for that




anyway

i agree with you completely
Thank you
Actually it's my replica of the liberty bell ... it seems there's a strong case of deterioration and oxidation from the hell-kiln breath of too many f*cking fundamentalist psychos with too much power, these days, as had been stated earlier, "pervasive"
Even though mine isn't made of some of the finer materials, in my hands it may last longer than the original *sigh*
How hollow indeed ....

The universities involved should lose their accreditation if this becomes law, they cant be regarded as serious institutions of higher education.