NationStates Jolt Archive

First off, let me say I have nothing against religious peoples, nor straight people. I think anyone can do anything they want, no matter how sickening and horribly wrong it is.

Basically, Marriage goes against the sanctity of the first amendment. The fact that Priests conduct marriages appauls me. This nation was founded on the ideals of the government respecting no establishment of religion, and yet, priests conduct religious marriages where the people eventually get tax kick-backs. This is horribly wrong, and goes against my atheist ideals. We must preserve the sanctity of the first amendment! And as atheists are a majority in america, im sure straight marriage will quickly be banned. This is not just because I hate religious peoples, I mean, I dont hate religious peoples! I just want to enforce the first amendment without any breathing room whatsoever, to manipulate it to further my causes which dont follow the spirit of the writing.

You can get married without the intervention of religion you know...

Cool! Let's get an amendment passed.

Anyone named Paul will likely be offended by your use of the derogatory term "appauled". The Politically Correct spelling is "appalled".

That said, I appreciate the joke, but not the point. Priests can and should perform marriage, and they should do that according to whatever tenets or religious rules they hold dear, provided this does not violate human rights or the laws of the nation in which they do it. The relevant bit comes in where the government does.

To summarize: I am against giving someone a tax cut for marrying his toaster, but I have no objection to a couple of consenting adults of whatever gender receiving such benefits.

However, I am perfectly fine with a religion devoting itself to marrying humans to their kitchen appliances, and probably also a religion that only marries people of the same gender, or only of different genders (as long as they don't try to infringe on the rights of people outside their membership, or restrain members from leaving). What a religion does within the privacy of its own church is of no concern to the state, but as soon as the consequences extend outside of the church (ie. recognition of married couples), the nation's laws apply.

I wonder if anyone realises that marriage was originally created way back in ancient times to confirm a mans ownership of the woman... another Ancient rite of the past corrupted.

I personally will not get married unless I was asked to instead. I don't want to ask to own someone. :D

Marriage is so silly. It's a good job I research a lot of history. You know in egypt women were counted along with cattle... And men would perform the ceromony of ownership with them too... :D

Marriage, bah...

In fact, StuckinFrance is right. Austrian law, for example, does not recognize a marriage held in a church as a marriage in front of the law (since Austria has a constitutional seperation of church and state). To have it legally confirmed it has to be done at a civil registry office. You can marry in a church all you want, but in case of troubles or anything that has to do with your legal rights as husband or wife, tough shit. If it hasn't been performed and "observed" by a government-paid civil servant, no chance.

Austrian law, for example, does not recognize a marriage held in a church as a marriage in front of the law (since Austria has a constitutional seperation of church and state).

Austria rocks. And I mean that.

I'm against straight marriage too because it takes perfectly decent women off the market.

And when I have an affair with a married woman, I'm the bad guy. It's just selfish.

After years of marriage, when the guys done with her, he just throws her out like a used condom. Wrinkles and stretch marks everywhere!

...and goes against my atheist ideals...

lol. someone was always going to point out this statement and it may as well be me. I didn't know atheism gave birth to "ideals".

lol. someone was always going to point out this statement and it may as well be me. I didn't know atheism gave birth to "ideals".

"Religion is by no means a prerequisite to ideals. In fact, nothing is more effective in putting a damper on a young person's idealism than regular church attendance."

-Louis Hobbs-

This nation was founded on the ideals of the government respecting no establishment of religion, and yet, priests conduct religious marriages where the people eventually get tax kick-backs.
What tax kick-backs are you talking about? Filing married is a tax penalty. You obviously are either not married, don't pay taxes, or both. Know what you are talking about before posting.

Marriage, bah...

In fact, StuckinFrance is right. Austrian law, for example, does not recognize a marriage held in a church as a marriage in front of the law (since Austria has a constitutional seperation of church and state). To have it legally confirmed it has to be done at a civil registry office. You can marry in a church all you want, but in case of troubles or anything that has to do with your legal rights as husband or wife, tough shit. If it hasn't been performed and "observed" by a government-paid civil servant, no chance.
If you get married only in church... you are married only in front of God. If you want to be married also in front of the society, you have to do it at the municipality.

I think you're being a little silly. Marriage has sociobiological bases. And it's not exclusive to humans, though I admitt he whole ceremony thing is. Albatrosses are probably the most faithful spouses ever seen, followed by canada geese. Plenty of sexual organisms marry.

lol. someone was always going to point out this statement and it may as well be me. I didn't know atheism gave birth to "ideals".
Apparently you don't know much, then.

I wonder if anyone realises that marriage was originally created way back in ancient times to confirm a mans ownership of the woman... another Ancient rite of the past corrupted.

I personally will not get married unless I was asked to instead. I don't want to ask to own someone. :D

Marriage is so silly. It's a good job I research a lot of history. You know in egypt women were counted along with cattle... And men would perform the ceromony of ownership with them too... :D
Its been tied the other way too ;) a way for the man to know that the offspring produced were in fact HIS therefore giving him a stronger biological drive to protect the offspring untill old enough to take care of itself :) survival trait

Marriage is strictly one item 50% off and another item 50% off!!!

So many posts, and only one or two seem to have realized this was an allegory...

So many posts, and only one or two seem to have realized this was an allegory...
Oh I think we all got it ... but what would you rather us do ... talk about the idea of marige our

or
Let the post die after 20 carbon copy posts all saying "heh sora funy" or "heh not funny" cause without discussion that is all this thread would be in another 10 min

lol. someone was always going to point out this statement and it may as well be me. I didn't know atheism gave birth to "ideals". Athiesm gives birth to as strong ideals as any religion. Just because they're different from religious ideals doesn't mean they don't count, or what have you.

So many posts, and only one or two seem to have realized this was an allegory...It's obvious what you meant. You don't need us to reinforce your point by saying things like "yeah, gay marraige should be legal," do you?

*I understand the point of the thread buuuuuut.....*


There is a solution to the issue.

make Religous marriges non official.

Sure you can HAVE the ceramony but take away it's power to legaly bind two people


Example: Two people have a marrige ceramony at a church. but since they aren't legal yet they go to a judge and become legaly married through the state.

Both sides happy
religous people can still have there ceramonys without being forced to have compromises made. however let the state do the actual Legal joining.

and let Same sex marriges be joined via a judge as well.



*I should have found a better way of putting it, I know*

My post wasn't a real opinion, it was making fun of religious peoples arguments(the wording of marriage arrangements, the majority christian population getting its way, etc). I dont oppose straight marriage, and while I am an atheist, I dont care if religious people marry, or have religious ceremonies; as long as all marriages are equal in government eyes.

I'm just surprised to see people arguing against my points(Thought me saying "as atheists are a majority in america..." would give it away that this wasnt a real argument/opinion).

And as atheists are a majority in america, im sure straight marriage will quickly be banned.
Actually, atheists are not the majority in america. The US is one of the most religious countries in the world. (I was shocked when I found that out, but if you think about it, I guess it makes sense) Anyway, I think as the divorce rates just keep climbing, most people will just forget about bothering to get married. although the tax incentive makes it worth it for people who would otherwise not get married. And here we have gays and lesbians who want to be able to get married too. Who knows?

My post wasn't a real opinion, it was making fun of religious peoples arguments(the wording of marriage arrangements, the majority christian population getting its way, etc). I dont oppose straight marriage, and while I am an atheist, I dont care if religious people marry, or have religious ceremonies; as long as all marriages are equal in government eyes.

I'm just surprised to see people arguing against my points(Thought me saying "as atheists are a majority in america..." would give it away that this wasnt a real argument/opinion).see what happens when you write so eloquently...

There is a solution to the issue.

make Religous marriges non official.

Sure you can HAVE the ceramony but take away it's power to legaly bind two people


Example: Two people have a marrige ceramony at a church. but since they aren't legal yet they go to a judge and become legaly married through the state.

Both sides happy
religous people can still have there ceramonys without being forced to have compromises made. however let the state do the actual Legal joining.

and let Same sex marriges be joined via a judge as well.
this is how it already works in America. you can get married in a dozen churches, but until you fill out the LEGAL paperwork and submit it to the SECULAR government you will not be married in the eyes of the law. marriage as a legal institution is secular, in America.

BAN SAME-MARRIAGE SEX!


What, someone had to shout it eventually. :p

I just say that we should all belong to my general philosphy: I do what I think is right, you do what you think is right, long as neither of us hurts the other, 'sall good.

I mean really. If you don't like gay marraige, don't marry another guy/gal. If you don't like abortions, don't have one. Who is any of us to tell anyone else how to live their life?

If feeling sexual attraction to my best friend is a sin, I'll go to hell. Don't you fret your pretty little heads about me. If marriage is just a way to own a woman, well, I wanna be owned (I'm bi). You have your beliefs, I have mine, and we're fucked up for even caring.

-snip-
My argument exactly