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Now then...

Due to entropy, ten universes are pulling together.

Sitting in Terra, a scribe of the Emperor notices a blip on a screen. Looking closer, he discovers eight other blips. He picks up a comunication link and slowly says into it, "Get me the emperor, and inform Lord MacCragge to suit up for battle."

Somewhere in the Garactic Counsil, an ISSP member calls up Spiku Spiegur, for the same reason.

Cats is interupted in the middle of "All your base are belong to us" by an anouncement over the loudspeakers: "Plepare foru batter."

Hasn't this already been determined about 60 times? At least the fantasy version of this thread is different!

Yar, but this has 7 more options than the old one, which had Warhammer 40k, Star Trek, and Star Wars.

You forgot Buck Rogers...

According to the lectures on Sci-Fi that I have on CD, Buck Rodgers is actually identical to Flash Gordan, but due to copyright issues the name needed to be changed.

You forgot Buck Rogers...
And Duck Dodgers

I vote for Uplift, which isn't on there.

Iain M Banks' Culture would pwn them all

Iain M Banks' Culture would pwn them all
i voted star wars on account of they'd have the largest forces, but you're right. the culture certainly pwns starWars in war.

Aliens would work their way across planets until the planet either had to be destroyed or was overrun. So aliens.

Although Ripley would probably kill them and die giving birth to them a couple of thousand times over the millennia it would take.

It wouldn't be fair to compare those other ones to Star Trek. Star Trek has The Borg, Species 8472, The Dominion, The Q Continuum, etc. So Star Trek has my vote.

Sitting in Terra, a scribe of the Emperor notices a blip on a screen. Looking closer, he discovers eight other blips. He picks up a comunication link and slowly says into it, "Get me the emperor, and inform Lord MacCragge to suit up for battle."
Do you actually know anything about 40K?

Zero Wing - I mean, one little Zig knew what you doing, and took out all Cats' base and are belong to us!

40k, no contest.

Though ST has a shot with the borg and 8472

Flash Gordon, damnit!!

I'm going to go with Starcraft, Protoss would pwnz! That isn't even mentioning the Zerg.

Ender Wiggin would vape them all. *nod*

:sniper: STAR WARS all the way. Deathstar, Deathstar II, Galaxy Gun, World Devestators, Sun Crusher, Eclipse, ect. Duh! :headbang:

:sniper: STAR WARS all the way. Deathstar, Deathstar II, Galaxy Gun, World Devestators, Sun Crusher, Eclipse, ect. Duh! :headbang:

Starcraft wins.


ZERG RUSH!

Other:
Andromeda universe.
Nova bombs, 1 wipes out a solar system, 40 reverses a black hole.

What, no Orwellian version? Ass.

What the Hell is Warhammer 40K anyway? Who Is Cowboy Bebop? Starcaft - isn't that some video game?

Are you just trying to make me feel old or something?

Anyway, there's all manner of Universes that can outdo each other. If there's no common frame of reference, i.e. if you're going to mix media from literature to video games and leave people scratching their heads - you're not going to get much of a balanced response.

I've participated in earlier variations of this thread, and usually point out the absence of one of the more obvious Sci-Fi Universes - the Doctor Who Universe. The unstoppable Daleks would surely conquer and blah blah blah. I don't know why I bother repeating myself.

If you wanna talk literature, how about Vernor Vinge's post-Qeng Ho Universe, with the ancient Transcendent entity, 'The Blight' capable of bending and manipulating quadriilions of species throughout space to do its' malevolent bidding?

I think the Blight would pwn any video-game continuum, or badly-dubbed Japanese anime wankfest, any day of this, last, or next week. I even think the Daleks wouldn't hold up under the thumb of The Blight.

I even think the Daleks wouldn't hold up under the thumb of The Blight.

Unless they cheated... like, they went up stairs.... :)

Erm, Babyon 5, anyway? I mean ok, once the Vorlons and Shadows and First Ones sod off, it gets a bit trickier, but they still exist, just elsewhere. Then there's the Machine on Epsilon 3. And you know, NOBODY is ever going to be stronger than Garibaldi, Ivanova, and Delenn in a bad mood. Ever. At all.

40k, no contest.

Though ST has a shot with the borg and 8472

If by shot you mean "stomped into the ground" then yes.

Doctor Who wins.

With a *Police Box*, he can travel to any of these universes and prevent them from ever being! :D

IMO, of the ones on the list, Starship Troopers (as written in the book, as done in the movies, it goes to the end of the line), followed by Aliens, followed by a tie between W40K and Star Wars.
My logic? Starship Troopers and Aliens are the most accurately portray militaries, and neither relies on magic or (overly so) on fantasy tech. Starship Troopers beats aliens simply by advanced tech.
Both depict militaries that use proper tactics and combined arms.

Star Wars relies on unbelievable tech and magic (I don't care if they are now trying to rationalize the force, it's still magic). They almost have a proper military. Elements of combined arms are depicted. Proper ground tactics are sometimes used, but not always. Proper naval appear to be depicted fairly frequently.

The Federation (and other major powers in that universe) relies on unrealistic tech as well. Furthermore, no one appear to understand even elementary modern military tactics. Combined arms are not depicted at all. Ancient naval tactics are used.

If we go off list, Halderman's Forever War, Ender, Uplift, Hammer's Slammers, Falkenberg's Legion, or the Culture (and several others) would give Starship Troopers a damned good run.

Unless they cheated... like, they went up stairs.... :)

*rolls on the floor laughing*

Star Trek, because it's writers can come up with so many deus ex machina. Teh uberwank; even though StarWars is wanky, George Lucas has that sense of plot, development and causality which so limits the all-powerful deus ex machina.

Doctor Who would win. Come on, the Daleks would kill all. The Cybermen are the Borg, just introduced 20years earlier, and the Timelords would just make sure no-one else existed!


P.S. Daleks can go up stairs, they did it in their last TV story and are supposed to be able to fly in the new series (whether thats true or just rumour is yet to be seen!)

The lensmen would easily deal with the Daleks, so yea for E E Doc Smith.

Iain M Banks' Culture would pwn them all
Good to see it only took 7 posts before someone pointed this out. The culture ships would wipe them all out. Those things are 20km long! And they have nanotechnology, tiny robots that can become anything and get into anywhere.
Yep, the Culture over everything else.

WHERE IS DUNE?!?!?!

The greatest Sci-Fi series of all time isn't here! HOW IN GOD'S NAME IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!?!?

Which Starship Troopers? The book is quite different from the movies and the cartoon series and would kick their collective butts. However either way Starship Troopers uni would be one of the first slaughtered. You forgot the Babylon 5 universe! The fighters are some of the most realistic and most maneouverable in all uni's, their problem is the lack of shield but Vorlon adaptive armour makes up for that. I am not familiar enough with most of the rest to state an opinion.

Ooops... I fukked up 40k. I play Orks, and to me anyone else is just one uv dem bigg fokking pansies, so I didn't learn the SMurf backstory...

It'd be hard to call up the emperor, seeing as how he's been dead for millenia...

Amazingly enough, Star Trek, the ultimate wankfest, has pwned Star Wars by one vote. And 40k has lost to both..! Sad, sad world...

Which Starship Troopers? The book is quite different from the movies and the cartoon series and would kick their collective butts. However either way Starship Troopers uni would be one of the first slaughtered. You forgot the Babylon 5 universe! The fighters are some of the most realistic and most maneouverable in all uni's, their problem is the lack of shield but Vorlon adaptive armour makes up for that. I am not familiar enough with most of the rest to state an opinion.

If it came to ground warfare, j00 can't beat Dune. The Sardaukar, The Fremen, the Ixians, the Atreides, Harkonnen....

In space...well, they can defend themselves but not go on the Offensive.

How do y'all think Mobile Suits would fare outside the non-Gundam universe?

If by shot you mean "stomped into the ground" then yes.

Star Trek has a REALLY good chance of winning. For instance, a standard Federation Phaser Type II has 16 settings. Setting 8 can entirely vaporize a human being. Setting 16, maximum beam width can destroy several buildings, and that's JUST the handheld versions for ONE troop. The handheld phasers' power can't even be compared to the power of the shipmounted ones because of the difference sheer power.

The Federation alone could be enough to win, so when you bring in The Borg and Species 8472 which are two races that are SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful and have more abilties than the Federation, yes I think Star Trek can kick some fucking ass.

Also, let's not forget Reman Warbirds. Star Trek's version of The Death Star, except with a perfect cloaking device, warp capability, and a rediculous amount of weapons.

40K would win, without any trace of doubt. As long as you don't let the Tau or Duck... er... Dark Eldar do the fighting.

Fran

According to the lectures on Sci-Fi that I have on CD, Buck Rodgers is actually identical to Flash Gordan, but due to copyright issues the name needed to be changed.
Well, the serials both star action star Buster Crabbe (who later appeared as an old general I believe named "Gordon" in an episode of the TV series Buck Rogers).

Buck Rogers came first as the man who was frozen in modern times and awaken in the 25th Century (thus Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, and later Duck Dodgers in the 24 and 1/2 Century.)

Alex Raymond was asked, with writer Don Moore, to write a competing strip. Flash is in our time but thanks to a chance encounter with Dr. Zarkoff is enlisted to fight the evil Ming the Merciless (tons has been written on the 'oriental menace' at the time with Ming and Fu Manchu as villians at the time...). He's an all around athlete and mans man (that gets funnier when you see him in the costume for the serial...)

The two serials where shot in conjunction, but Flash Gordon was more popular.

Either way, niether universe has a chance. Warhammer 40K would just absorb all the others into the conflict and would almost go unnoticed...

If it came to ground warfare, j00 can't beat Dune. The Sardaukar, The Fremen, the Ixians, the Atreides, Harkonnen....

In space...well, they can defend themselves but not go on the Offensive.
Yeah. A bunch of guys with blades can withstand a Zergling rush.

That was sarcasm, for people who don't get it.

Zerglings were modeled after the Tyranids, which were more or less made after Giger's Alien and the Bugs from Starship Troopers. Every time I read about somebody saying that the 'Nids are so cool because they look Zerg-ish it gives me a terrible headache...

Fran

Zerglings were modeled after the Tyranids, which were more or less made after Giger's Alien and the Bugs from Starship Troopers. Every time I read about somebody saying that the 'Nids are so cool because they look Zerg-ish it gives me a terrible headache...

Fran
I was aware of that. I never said they were.

What about Dune? :mad:

i hadn't read the rest of the posts.

Go the Fremen!

I'd say, the question should be slightly different.

Under real phsyics, which of the sci-fi universes would still work to the degree that they can fight in a battle! :D

I'd say, the question should be slightly different.

Under real phsyics, which of the sci-fi universes would still work to the degree that they can fight in a battle! :D

It's science fiction... there isn't a single universe (mentioned or unmentioned)that doesn't take liberties with science.

It's science fiction... there isn't a single universe (mentioned or unmentioned)that doesn't take liberties with science.

Well, in that case, i'd say the universe that violates the law of energy conservation more than anybody else wins! :D

I'd say, the question should be slightly different.

Under real phsyics, which of the sci-fi universes would still work to the degree that they can fight in a battle! :D

If that were the case, my list (#28 above) would stand with slight mods: Forever War, Aliens, Falkenberg's Legion, Starship Troopers, Hammer's Slammers, and Uplift. (All depend on fantasy tech FTL, although the first two are more believable, but generally have their science down pretty good.)

Star Wars, Trek, W40K, and the video games rely to much on magical physics.

As far as tech goes, I think Star Trek would beat everyone on the list. Their tech is too high. Warhammer 40k is close, but too much magic and the human race's tech is pretty primitive in comparison. However, they do have numbers...

But as far as what's not on the list... i'd say Babylon 5 could kick Star Trek's ass. Their tech is more primitive, but their weapons are more destructive and their armour more effective. Also, there is the Battletech universe, which employs ships so freakin' huge, heavily armoured, and powerfully gunned that the Enterprise would only be able to scratch one. Luckily for them... there are not many of these dropships left.

But the one universe, the absolute one universe that could kick everyone's asses blindfolded would be...

RIFTS!

We have a saying about the RIFTS RPG in our gaming group. When it comes to anything encountered in the RIFTS universe, or any location therein, we have one phrase that explains it all...

"It's scary. Don't go there."

(BTW, it's a Palladium RPG.)

I'm sorry, but most ships in the 40K Imperial fleet would have any Star Trek ship blown to pieces before they could have even tried to open fire. The main guns of a decent ship shoot several thousand miles, not to forget the fact that the Imperial Navy has some other tactical advantages:

- They are not wussies.
- They actually have and use fighters and bombers.
- When in the Warp no scanner can find them (OK, they may also be lost forever in the Empyrium), they leave no traces.
- They are die-hard fanatics.
- A standard Imperial Cruiser is about the size of a Super Star Destroyer, and more heavily armed.
- They are not wussies.

Fran

I'm sorry, but most ships in the 40K Imperial fleet would have any Star Trek ship blown to pieces before they could have even tried to open fire. The main guns of a decent ship shoot several thousand miles, not to forget the fact that the Imperial Navy has some other tactical advantages:

- They are not wussies.
- They actually have and use fighters and bombers.
- When in the Warp no scanner can find them (OK, they may also be lost forever in the Empyrium), they leave no traces.
- They are die-hard fanatics.
- A standard Imperial Cruiser is about the size of a Super Star Destroyer, and more heavily armed.
- They are not wussies.

Fran

What makes you think they are wussies? Guess You've never seen Starfleet Marines or Klingons or Jem'Hadar or Species 8472.

Star Trek DOES have fighters. They are called Peregrine Class Fighters, and they have pulse phasers and low warp capability. Maybe if you actually watched Star Trek you would know.

Star Trek has the ability to beam over teams of highly trained Marines armed with the most powerful handheld weapons of any on the list. Phasers are fucking powerful. I don't think people understand that. 1 Marine with a Type II handheld phaser could take out several buildings by himself in one shot.

Also, does anyone remember that the Borg can do this one thing...hmm. what is it called again? Oh yeah it's called ADAPTING! Not only can individual Borg Drones adapt, an entire CUBE can. It's not even likely a Cube would be destroyed in the first place, so imagine your entire fleet sorrounded by hundreds Cubes and Tactical Cubes. Talk about a turkey shoot.

Let's not forget that the crews onboard these powerful starships are actually SMART. VERY smart. There's so many tactics they could use such as going in and out of warp, dropping out and firing, then going back to warp. Oh and let's not forgot Photon and Quantum Torpedos. Those are EXTREMELY EXTREMELY powerful weapons. People love to underestimate stuff they have no knowledge of.

A couple fleets of Reman Warbirds would dominate in this battle, I just can't see in my mind how Star Trek would lose. Their biggest threat would be Star Wars, but I can't see Star Wars winning.

Well, I've limited this to a somewhat Human against Human fight. If you take in all races/armies, 40K would still win.

And ground battles, well, if "40K" would loose, just launch an Exterminatus Device and the problem is solved. OK, the planet might be uninhabitable for the next few thousand years or forever, but that's not the problem - for the Imperium, anyway. As I said, they're fanatics.

The Borg might be able to pose a problem, granted, but definitely not the Starfleet, the Klingons or the Romulans. Most of them would be swayed away by the sheer mass of Imperial troops or the mercilessness of its attacks. Up until now I haven't seen a single incident in any Star Trek series that could compete with either of those.

IF the Borg are involved, I think the powers of the Warp would pose the biggest problem to them, seeing as they're very similar to Necrons. Or the big 'Nid ships would just eat the Cubes for breakfast, and I mean they really would eat them.

Fran

Well considering all thigns star wars, it would give the star trek universe a serious run for their money. In hand to hand, anyone with trained force power would destroy even the best trained klingon. In space there are these big ass ships. Star destroys and huge frigging cruisers in addition to dozens of smaller, extremely maneuverable craft. X-Wings and Tie Fighters, then there are Y-Wings and Tie Bombers and A-Wings, and that is to say nothing of pre-original universe ships and any ones seen in the games of books. If you have ever played homeworld, small maneuverable craft in great mass are the msot dangerous thing there is. All I have seen from star trek are huge ships, very few fighter class vessels and the ones that are fighter size arn't armed or maneuverable enough to counter star wars ships. Borgs? Those would probably be the only things posing real problems, but Borg ships CAN be destroyed and Star Trek has no lack of fire power


But about the poll, some of this stuff should have been left off in palce of other stuff: Bebop should have been replaced with the Battlerstar universe and the Stargate universe should have been included. They are pretty developed by this season: Asgard cruisers, Goa'uld pyramid ships and fighters and bombers, those Anubis zombie like soldiers, Goa'uld weapons and ancient weapons, human ships modified by the Asgard and Goa'uld architecture and technology, and that is to say nothing of the replicators or wraith and ancient vessels. They would give star trek and star wars a pretty good run for their money

Fran you certainly have a point about the ground combat, however this is the old argument of quality versus quantity. Star Trek has the quality side because of the MUCH MUCH better technology, Star Wars has the massive amounts of troops. I still think the Borg would stand a chance against 'Nid ships, they are just too advanced.

I Hate Cows, you too bring up good points however. Star Wars weapons and shields are pathetically weak compared Star Trek ones. These "turbo-lasers" wouldn't have an effect on a Star Trek ship with their shields down because it has been stated that laser can't even scratch the paint off the hull of Star Trek starship. So in theory a shuttlecraft could tear apart tie fighters and X Wings with it's shields down.

I think besides The Borg and Species 8472, another REALLY big threat would be Remans. A Reman Warbird has a PERFECT Cloak, high warp cabapility, and SOOOOOOO many weapons that's it's just rediculous. It also has the thaleron radiation emitter that can saturate an entire planet and kill everyone on it. One little microbe of it can kill over 800 people. Not to mention it's sheer size allows it to hold many many Reman shock troops. Remans are a race bred for war, so they would be pretty fearsome on the ground.

Tactics, people, think of the tactics! The best tech in the universe is useless if not utilized correctly.

As far as tech goes, I think Star Trek would beat everyone on the list. Their tech is too high.

Their tech may be advanced, but it is poorly utilized. Naval battles (in every major depiction of naval combat I've seen from Trek) are conducted using the ancient "line 'em up and go at it" tactics that went out around the time Nelson. Even the limited apperance of Peregrine Class (note this class was a courier/shuttlecraft adopted for combat by guerrillas, and later by thge Federation) was limited to harrassing. Ground combat is conducted with an even worse tactics. (Support weapons? Naw, we don't need them. Combined arms? Nope.)

Well shields don't hold up forever, they take energy and enough hits will do damage. And like I said, any force trained character, Jedi or Sith, will be more than formidible on the ground. Even the war trained races would probably be decimated with very little casualties, if any, to the Jedi or Sith

Well shields don't hold up forever, they take energy and enough hits will do damage. And like I said, any force trained character, Jedi or Sith, will be more than formidible on the ground. Even the war trained races would probably be decimated with very little casualties, if any, to the Jedi or Sith

Jedi are THE most powerful asset to Star Wars, that could be the edge they need to win, however. They would all most likely be destroyed in their ships before they can reach a ground battle. Dark Side Jedi would be THE biggest threat.

And what about the homeworld universe? I don't know about the ground battles, but in space they would be a threat between the original homeworld and the HW: cataclysm worlds. Excellent fighter class vessels with versatile and fairly powerful frigate class vessels in addition to overly armed heavy cruisers and capital class vessels. A Imperial heavy cruiser is scary and HW:C Sobani Dreadnaughts are nothing to laugh at

Jedi are THE most powerful asset to Star Wars, that could be the edge they need to win, however. They would all most likely be destroyed in their ships before they can reach a ground battle. Dark Side Jedi would be THE biggest threat.
Like I said, the Star Trek universe consists primarily of large vessels, star trek is loaded with tiny maneuverable things with plenty of weapons

And what about stargate universe, really, those guys would give anyone a good fight

Like I said, the Star Trek universe consists solely of large vessels, star trek is loaded with tiny maneuverable things.

Those tiny maneuverable things would be like a mosquito spitting on a bear. They would most likely ignore them. As for the humongous Star Destroyers, nothing but a bigger target area. Star Trek ships would probably just locate the power generation center with their sensors and launch 3 photon torpedos at it, and then blow the entire ship to hell.

The problem with Star Wars technology against Star Trek is the extreme limits on speed, weapon range, and weapon accuracy of their ships.
Sure a Star Destroyer is big, but the fastest it can go is to "jump to lightspeed" and it can't even fight while travelling through hyperspace.
Star Trek ships, by contrast, can fire photon torpedoes accurately while at warp, and at a range of thousands of kilometers, and their phasers can lock onto and very quickly destroy large numbers of small, fast-moving targets.
In space, ST beats SW hands down.
On the ground, the jedi could turn things around for Star wars, unless the trek folks finally wise up and start using the transporter as the deadly deadly tactical weapon it has the potential to be. Also, the jedi are few & far between.
Combined arms isn't really necessary with star trek technology, because a hand phasers is as powerful as artillery, can destroy tanks/buildings easily, and the transporter makes infantry more mobile than helicopters by far. Orbital phaser strikes can cause far more destruction than any aircraft bombardment, with much greater precision.
All that said, I still think Star Wars is cooler than Star Trek in general (or at least I did until these prequels came out) but they would definitely lose in a fight.

Exactly Alex. EXACTLY!

I would like to play devil's advocate here and point out that this rather pointless discussion has raged across the Internet since the dawn of the World Wide Web, and it has never gone anywhere. People have their favourites, and they stick to them without budging. That's in addition to the fact that most of these science fiction universes are just that -- separate universes, which seem to have entirely different laws of physics and are thus incompatible. And I think that at least one of those in the poll is a video game...

Those tiny maneuverable things would be like a mosquito spitting on a bear. They would most likely ignore them. As for the humongous Star Destroyers, nothing but a bigger target area. Star Trek ships would probably just locate the power generation center with their sensors and launch 3 photon torpedos at it, and then blow the entire ship to hell.
You have never played homeworld have you. The only thing more scary then having a couple heavy cruisers drop out of hyperspace on top of your mothership followed by a few ion cannon frigates decloaking is a couple HUNDRED acolytes flying at you

I would like to play devil's advocate here and point out that this rather pointless discussion has raged across the Internet since the dawn of the World Wide Web, and it has never gone anywhere. People have their favourites, and they stick to them without budging. That's in addition to the fact that most of these science fiction universes are just that -- separate universes, which seem to have entirely different laws of physics and are thus incompatible. And I think that at least one of those in the poll is a video game...

This isn't a serious debate lol. This is for FUN. Why can't people have fun they way they want to? It's the same thing as when people talk about who is going to win in sports. So chill out.

Also, if everyone is star trek is this fucking uber powerful, they would have already destroyed themselves and several hundred planets along with them

You have never played homeworld have you. The only thing more scary then having a couple heavy cruisers drop out of hyperspace on top of your mothership followed by a few ion cannon frigates decloaking is a couple HUNDRED acolytes flying at you

Yes I have played Homeworld a while back, however the technology in that game can't compare to Star Trek. Star Trek has better resistances and attacks. If there were too many of these small attack ships, the Star Trek vessels would just shoot em down in one hit from the phasers.

Also, if everyone is star trek is this fucking uber powerful, they would have already destroyed themselves and several hundred planets along with them

Actually, the races in Star Trek even each other out. They have territorial boundaries and laws to abide by, etc. That's why they haven't destroyed themselves. That's like asking why the governments of the world haven't destroyed themsleves just because we have nuclear weapons.

Yes I have played Homeworld a while back, however the technology in that game can't compare to Star Trek. Star Trek has better resistances and attacks. If there were too many of these small attack ships, the Star Trek vessels would just shoot em down in one hit from the phasers.
Better tactics my ass, I have watched Star Trek. Star Trek tactics involve ships fighting face to face just blasting each other to see who has the better weapons and shielding. When face with REAL tactics, the big uber capital ships like the enterpries get pwned by smaller harassment vessels who don't stand still and play blast each other. And the tech is homeworld is pretty good, its roughly the equivalent of Enterprise tech (the show, not the ship). Not uber omgwtfbbq we like sci-fi shit tech, but something that is actually realistic tech. Plus the AVCs have a EMP weapon, in mass they can stop a couple heavy cruisers dead in their tracks long enough to either escape or blow the living hell out of them. An emp blast from a few hundred AVCs would take down the weapons and shielding on any star cruiser from star trek long enough that a couple HW multibeam frigates or a few ion cannon frigates could tear it to shreds, and that is withotu bringing in the heavy cruisers who have turrets and ion cannons and missiles. Plus homeworld can build ships on the fly. Motherships can build capital ships and carriers can build up to frigate class vessels.

Better tactics my ass, I have watched Star Trek. Star Trek tactics involve ships fighting face to face just blasting each other to see who has the better weapons and shielding. And the tech is homeworld is pretty good, its roughly the equivalent of Enterprise tech (the show, not the ship). Not uber omgwtfbbq we like sci-fi shit tech, but something that is actually realistic tech. Plus the AVCs have a EMP weapon, in mass they can stop a couple heavy cruisers dead in their tracks long enough to either escape or blow the living hell out of them. An emp blast from a few hundred AVCs would take down the weapoins and shielding on any star cruiser from star trek long enough that a couple HW multibeam frigates or a few ion cannon frigates could tear it to shreds, and that is withotu bringing in the heavy cruisers who have turrets and ion cannons and missiles.

Well you obviously haven't watched enough. Go watch the movies (particularly TWOK) and various episodes of DS9 then come talk to me.

Well you obviously haven't watched enough. Go watch the movies (particularly TWOK) and various episodes of DS9 then come talk to me.
From what I have seen, any large vessel in the star trek universe get easily harassed by smaller manueverable vessels

This isn't a serious debate lol. This is for FUN. Why can't people have fun they way they want to? It's the same thing as when people talk about who is going to win in sports. So chill out.

That may be how it is at the moment, but I've seen them... change... into less pleasant affairs. One forum I frequent has actually permanently banned anybody from comparing sci-fi shows (namely, ST vs SW) just because of how 'heated' the last one became. And that forum isn't quite as hostile as this one at the best of times. Just a friendly warning, anyway. carry on.

(Oops, wrong account. Mykonians is me, to avoid any confusioness 0_o)

Does anyone on this godforsaken forum wat to speak up for the highly funny and bada** tv show Cowboy Bebop? Well I guess I'll have to...

Have any of you ever watched them when they faught against the mutant food? I didn't think so...That took curage my friends...that took curage

:sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

If my boyfriend decides to post here's what I say to him :fluffle: ;)

From what I have seen, any large vessel in the star trek universe get easily harassed by smaller manueverable vessels

Not likely. The Ships in Star Trek have HUGEEE databases of evasive, defensive and offensive manuever patterns, formations, etc. Ever hear of the Picard Manuever or the Riker Manuever? They also don't even need to rely on conventional weaponry. They can use other tricks with the nacelles, warp core, bussard collectors, and any other utility at their disposal. Star Trek ships do NOT move slow at ALL. Impluse speeds aren't slow at ALL. For instance, Full impluse is equal to 270 milllion KPH. That's 1/4 the speed of light.

Does anyone on this godforsaken forum wat to speak up for the highly funny and bada** tv show Cowboy Bebop? Well I guess I'll have to...

Have any of you ever watched them when they faught against the mutant food? I didn't think so...That took curage my friends...that took curage

:sniper: :gundge: :mp5:

If my boyfriend decides to post here's what I say to him :fluffle: ;)
Bebop is bad ass but its in the wrong comparison poll. Now if you wanted to combine anime universes...

Not likely. The Ships in Star Trek have HUGEEE databases of evasive, defensive and offensive manuever patterns, formations, etc. Ever hear of the Picard Manuever or the Riker Manuever? They also don't even need to rely on conventional weaponry. They can use other tricks with the nacelles, warp core, bussard collectors, and any other utility at their disposal. Star Trek ships do NOT move slow at ALL. Impluse speeds aren't slow at ALL. For instance, Full impluse is equal to 270 milllion KPH. That's 1/4 the speed of light.
Moving speed != maneuverability. And I have watched Star Trek and watched their vessels be harassed to hell by small maneuverable crafts

Moving speed != maneuverability. And I have watched Star Trek and watched their vessels be harassed to hell by small maneuverable crafts

I haven't seen the Federation get messed up by smaller vessels. The Cardassians and some Dominion ships maybe, but never the Federation unless it was some special circumstance.

What's funny is we are debating star trek universe vs one that isn't even on the poll.

And there is still those EMPs

What's funny is we are debating star trek universe vs one that isn't even on the poll.

And there is still those EMPs

lol, yes that is funny, I didn't even notice that. EMP would be rendered ineffective against the shields of the starships. However dampning fields have the same effect and can go through the shields of Star Trek vessels.

lol, yes that is funny, I didn't even notice that. EMP would be rendered ineffective against the shields of the starships. However dampning fields have the same effect and can go through the shields of Star Trek vessels.
I see star trek has magic non-logical shields. How would it make an emp charge ineffective? Its not so much a weapon as a huge released charge like an electric storm, which I have seen effect federation vessels

I think we should argue about star gate too

I see star trek has magic non-logical shields. How would it make an emp charge ineffective? Its not so much a weapon as a huge released charge like an electric storm, which I have seen effect federation vessels

I think we should argue about star gate too

That's because Star Trek technology isn't electrical. It's some form of Electro-Plasma, so that's why EMP doesn't work.

Stargate would be a good contender in all this. Especially Asguard ships and Replicators.

That's because Star Trek technology isn't electrical. It's some form of Electro-Plasma, so that's why EMP doesn't work.
Well their ships have been damaged by odd electrical space storms

Well their ships have been damaged by odd electrical space storms

Those storms weren't electrical, they are usually some weird long technobabbleish name like "Ionic Stream Pulse Storms" or somethin like that lol.

Stargate would be a good contender in all this. Especially Asguard ships and Replicators.
And there are species we don't know the exact capabilities of. Like that one group that tried to sterilize earth in the future then they sent back a warning and something something. They are advanced but we don't get to see the power of their ships. Then there is that huge ship the prometheus encounters in deep space

And there are species we don't know the exact capabilities of. Like that one group that tried to sterilize earth in the future then they sent back a warning and something something. They are advanced but we don't get to see the power of their ships. Then there is that huge ship the prometheus encounters in deep space

Also the Knox, they seem VERY powerful. I know that the SGC could probably defeat The Borg, as they have projectile weapons. But The Borg DID assimilate The Earth in 2063, but that is before the Enterprise went back and stopped them.

Also the Knox, they seem VERY powerful. I know that the SGC could probably defeat The Borg, as they have projectile weapons. But The Borg DID assimilate The Earth in 2063, but that is before the Enterprise went back and stopped them.
Well the SG team has allies in the Tokra and Asgard and Jaffa resistance, the Jaffa resistance with the Tokra have a small armada of Goa'uld ships and the asgard are crazy powerful. Then the SGC has those modified Goa'uld whatever fighters and the prometheus and another ship they hinted at thats more asgard than the prometheus. Plus they have all those modified weapons. The borg would have a hell of a fight

I'm going to have to side with Warhammer 40k in this one. The Imperium by itself might be able to take on the Borg at least since they have a large number of projectile weapons. Against the other Star Trek races I don't know how the Imperium would fare, but then you bring in all the other 40k races...

Hey, there's a new poll, with better options. Everyone please use that!

Hitchhikers.