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Greg Palast finds out the REAL reason why Bush invaded Iraq

Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 02:27
PROTESTERS: No blood for oil!

PROTESTERS: Don’t attack! Don't attack Iraq!

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Do not destroy oil wells.

PROTESTERS: No blood for oil!

PROTESTERS: Don’t attack! Don’t attack Iraq!

ARI FLEISCHER: The ongoing aspects of Operation Iraqi Liberation.

PROTESTERS: No blood for oil!

PROTESTERS: Don’t attack Iraq!

TONY BLAIR: The action has nothing to do with oil or any of the other conspiracy theories put forward.

GREG PALAST: Some people believe George Bush had a secret plan for Iraq's oil. It's not that simple. In fact, we found two plans. While there was a hot war being fought in Iraq, here in Washington, there was a cold war being fought. On one side, the Pentagon and its neo-con friends, and on the other, the State Department and its allies in big oil.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: So help me God.

GREG PALAST: January 2001, George Bush waltzes into office on a gusher of oil money, swearing that the U.S. has no plans to remake any nation. Yet at the same time, on the other side of the U.S.A., a secret meeting was in the works to plan for the invasion of Iraq to overthrow Saddam and to decide what to do with Iraq's oil. Across the bridge from San Francisco, the State Department convened the meeting in this house, a bit of Baghdad in America. Falah Aljibury is an Iraqi exile who acted as Ronald Reagan's back channel to Saddam's regime. He hosted those early war councils for the Bush team.

FALAH ALJIBURY: It is an invasion, but it will act like a coup. The original plan was to liberate Iraq from the Saddamists and from the regime, to stabilize the country. A leader, an Iraqi leader known for his decency and ability to work with the allied forces, will step forward.

GREG PALAST: Aljibury, a key link between big oil, big finance and OPEC, interviewed the candidates for a strongman to replace Saddam in advance of the invasion.

FALAH ALJIBURY: This transitional leader that we have interviewed before will come in, head all of the government systems, and quickly bring the people back to work.

GREG PALAST: In other words, just topple Saddam. Most Baathists would stay in power. As for the oil fields, the state would keep ownership. But after September 11, Washington's power center shifted to the right. Paul Wolfowitz and his neo-cons were now in charge. "News Night" learned they junked plan A, the quick coup. The neo-cons wanted to use the invasion of Iraq to end the Arab stranglehold on oil. They aimed to bring down the criminal OPEC monopoly.

ARI COHEN: OPEC is a cartel. As a cartel, it regulates the output and it tries to get the price as high as possible for its members without destroying the goose that is laying the golden eggs. So, OPEC, the Organization for Petroleum Exporting Countries, would behave in a way that, at least in this country (in the United States), would be prosecutable.

GREG PALAST: At the heart of the “smash OPEC” scheme was a radical plan, which we discovered in this document, completed a month before the invasion, for the privatization of all Iraq's assets, especially in the oil and supporting industries.

ARI COHEN: By having massive oil holdings in private hands that are not marching to the drumbeat of OPEC, you weaken OPEC politically and you improve the lot of a consumer and of western economy, in general.

GREG PALAST: Chatter about the sell-off plan boosted accusations that the invasion was aimed at seizing Iraq's oil.

ROBERT EBEL: The thought was, “Why are you going into Iraq? It's about oil, isn't it?” And my response was, “No, it’s about getting rid of Saddam Hussein. The morning after, it's about oil.”

GREG PALAST: In the run-up to war, the administration sent Ebel to meet with Ahmed Chalabi, America's front man to take over Iraq. Chalabi embraced the sell-off of Iraq's oil.

ROBERT EBEL: These people had been out of Iraq for some time. Chalabi was the senior person. They felt that was the way to quick growth, to privatize, to get, you know, lots of companies in, get them spending money to develop production.

GREG PALAST: Resistance to the plan to sell off Iraq's oil bubbled up from a most unlikely source: U.S. oil chieftains. Former Shell C.E.O. Philip Carroll was called up long before the tanks rolled.

PHILIP CARROLL: I received a call from someone in the Pentagon saying that they were doing some contingency planning in association with the possibility of war in Iraq. They needed some help and assistance from someone who had spent time in that industry.

GREG PALAST: But the oil man refused to carry out the neo-con plan.

PHILIP CARROLL: There were models everywhere from the total privatization to partial privatization, etc., etc. There were all sorts of ideas floated about the economy of Iraq and what ought to be done. I was very clear that there was to be no privatization of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved. End of statement.

GREG PALAST: Even some of those who plotted Saddam's overthrow complained that privatization plans added fuel to the insurgency, costing American, British, and Iraqi lives.

FALAH ALJIBURY: Insurgents and those who wanted to destabilize a new Iraq have used this as means of saying, “Look, you're losing your country. You’re losing your leadership. You're losing all of your resources to a bunch of wealthy people. A bunch of billionaires in the world want to take you over and make your life miserable.” And we saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, of course, built on -- built on the premise that privatization is coming.

GREG PALAST: So, how is the State Department going to douse the flames? Here in Houston, the oil capital of America, the industry wasn't too happy about what was going on. “News Night" discovered that big oil chieftains in Iraq demanded a new policy. The job fell to the Texas think tank, founded by Jim Baker, one-time secretary of State, whose law firm now represents George W. Bush, the government of Saudi Arabia, and Exxon Oil.

AMY JAFFE: The bottom line is, we were very concerned about the perceptions that somehow we were doing this to steal the oil. You cannot use military means to impose privatization. It has to come from the society below; that has to be what the country wants to do. We were very concerned that there were going to be images on Al Jazeera TV, or in Western media that was very to the left, showing the Americans standing with military uniforms on in the oil fields.

GREG PALAST: The State Department reluctantly handed us the plan, confidential until now, drafted by Jaffe. There are seven options given to Iraq's future governments, not a single one privatization. The neo-con scheme was dead because taking on OPEC and forcing down the price of petroleum did not suit big oil.

AMY JAFFE: I'm not sure that if I were the chairman of an American company and you put me on a lie detector test that I would say that I thought high oil prices were bad for me or my company.

GREG PALAST: So I asked Shell's former boss if the neo-con's agenda matched that of the oil industry.

PHILIP CARROLL: They're absolutely poles apart. Many neo-conservatives are people who do have certain ideological beliefs about markets, about democracy, about this, that and the other. International oil companies, without exception, are very pragmatic, commercial organizations. They don't have a theology. They don't have a doctrine. They are going to do what is in the best interest of their shareholders.

GREG PALAST: Americans have never paid so much for gasoline. Big oil execs are grinning. They've never seen such big profits. The neo-cons say we missed the chance to stop this run-up in oil prices. All we had to do was sell off Iraq's oil fields. But big oil killed it.

PHILIP CARROLL: The question, both politically and economically, would be so complex and so difficult that I don't think anyone really serious would think about trying to privatize it.

FALAH ALJIBURY: In that case, let's go and nationalize Shell, to follow his logic. I think that in the late 20th century, early 21st century, to compare government-run industries with privately run industries, it's a no-brainer, as we say. The comparison is in favor of privately owned oil, privately owned assets.

PHILIP CARROLL: I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about someone -- by someone with no brain.

GREG PALAST: Headless or heartless, America has given Iraq a state-controlled oil monopoly, big oil and OPEC will have their $56-a-barrel oil, and Wolfowitz and the neo-cons are looking for new jobs.

AMY GOODMAN: An explosive report on these two plans. And tie them in now to the nomination of John Bolton to be U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and Paul Wolfowitz to head the World Bank.

GREG PALAST: Well, only in weird Bush world is nomination to the presidency of the World Bank considered a punishment job. Basically Wolfowitz is being tossed out head first out of the Pentagon because he decided to take on one enemy too big for his own teeth, which is big oil. And, see, the main spoils of the war in Iraq is a seat on OPEC. It's not just the fields; it is a seat on OPEC. What do we do with that seat? The neo-cons wanted to use our control of Iraq's oil to smash OPEC, to smash the power of what they see as an Arab-controlled monopoly and Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, that also meant smashing $56-a-barrel oil prices, and the oil industry was deeply unhappy. So, there was a neo-con plan put out. In fact, you broke the report here two years ago when we were on the air saying that there was a plan to privatize and sell off all of Iraq's oil fields. There was. Then Phil Carroll of Shell Oil was assigned by George Bush to baby-sit the situation in Iraq. The oil man went in and said there ain't going to be no privatization on my watch. We don't work that way. You have to understand, oil companies, when they privatize, the big oil companies never get it, it’s always the cronies of Chalabi and who’s ever in power in any country. So, the oil companies did not want to be locked out, so they weren't going to go along with it. Plus, they didn't like the neo-con idea that if there was privatization, and production would be ramped up, OPEC would be destroyed, oil prices would fall apart, and that would be the end of record profits for the oil companies. So, a new report was secretly ordered up by a guy named Rob McKee, who took the Shell man's place. McKee is from ConocoPhillips, paid $25 million by Conoco in his last year there, assigned by Bush to Iraq to the oil ministry there. And he ordered up a new study which was done by the Jim Baker Institute. Now Jim Baker represents Exxon and the Saudi government. And the Baker Institute people, and the people they worked with, came up with a report that said that there would be a state-controlled company, which would be very OPEC-friendly, very oil company-friendly and would establish profit sharing agreements with international oil companies. And that was their recommendation. Privatization was dead out, and they were just livid about Wolfowitz. The woman who is the chief guider on that project said, you know, here's Wolfowitz talking about democracy, yet he wants to do what 99% of Iraqis don't want. The oil companies don't want to own oil fields in flames. So, basically Wolfowitz came up against big oil and his cronies, Doug Fife and the others. So, their privatization plans, because they kept pushing them, just absolutely killed them off. And we also got, of course, a story that you saw at the beginning, that at the very beginning of the war, in fact, even before Bush was inaugurated, but within a couple of weeks, there was a meeting of oil industry people, associated with Iraq, planning the overthrow of Saddam. An invasion which would look like a coup d'etat. We would actually send in the 82nd Airborne and replace Saddam, just give a new dictator his mustache, the Baathists would stay in power, nothing would change. It was in and out. I think people got the wrong impression with Bob Woodward's book: Colin Powell did not oppose the invasion of Iraq. They were planning this from, like I say, the second week in office. Powell and the State Department people were opposing a long occupation and a remaking of Iraq. They just wanted to get rid of the top guy. They were quite happy with the Baathists, and they wanted to keep the oil flowing, and they didn't want this type of situation we have now with a bloody, brutal occupation, which is also, you know, jamming up the oil fields and creating a major problem. So that, again, it is the State department simply had a different plan for invasion than the neo-cons. But after September 11, the neo-cons kind of seized control of policy. Now we've had a new kind of policy coup d'etat by big oil and the -- and OPEC allies in the government. They're in charge now.

AMY GOODMAN: It's also hard to believe that John Bolton becoming U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations is any kind of step down.

GREG PALAST: For them, you know, it is pushing the Bush policy. But you have to understand that the real levers of power are not in these public jawboning jobs. The real levers of power are behind those closed walls. So Wolfowitz had his power. He now has to take his hands off the levers, and Bolton is now in a position where he is told what to say, and he is not a person setting policy. The neo-cons understand what's happening here, and they are screaming bloody murder. But they’re all being purged. This is a very big change in U.S. policy toward people like Negroponte, who are State Department establishment, oil-friendly, OPEC-friendly, Saudi-friendly.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, on that note, I want to thank you very much for being with us. The investigation, a joint BBC-Harper’s magazine investigation. Greg Palast’s latest piece out today in Harper's magazine, called "OPEC on the March: Why Iraq Still Sells Its Oil a la Cartel." Thank you, Greg.
Super-power
22-03-2005, 03:10
Welcome back, Skap!
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 03:17
Welcome back, Skap!
Thanks Super I missed fighting with you:D
Btw this is the FIRST time Im seeing your sig
Straughn
22-03-2005, 07:05
Hey Ska good to see you keeping up the good fight, again.
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:07
Hey Ska good to see you keeping up the good fight, again.
glad to see your still here too. America my homeland is now the evil empire because of the neoconazis in power now--why cant europe help the American people and as a group all cutoff diplomatic relations with the US?
TinFoilHat
22-03-2005, 07:08
Don't forget the neo-Illuminati and the shadow government
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:11
Don't forget the neo-Illuminati and the shadow government
you cant be an informed witness of whats happening under the Bush admin all these years and not know that the conspiracy is quite real--your either in total denial or you work for Fatherland Security spreading Foxnews misinformation. Which is it kid?
TinFoilHat
22-03-2005, 07:13
you cant be an informed witness of whats happening under the Bush admin all these years and not know that the conspiracy is quite real--your either in total denial or you work for Fatherland Security spreading Foxnews misinformation. Which is it kid?


Actually got a job offer from Al jazeera. But keep that under your hat.
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:15
glad to see your still here too. America my homeland is now the evil empire because of the neoconazis in power now--why cant europe help the American people and as a group all cutoff diplomatic relations with the US?

You will never be happy until you see another Clinton in office...get off your high horse...and where did you get this...democracynow? That's just as reliable as Al Jezeera.
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:19
you cant be an informed witness of whats happening under the Bush admin all these years and not know that the conspiracy is quite real--your either in total denial or you work for Fatherland Security spreading Foxnews misinformation. Which is it kid?

How can FoxNews be so utterly evil to you people. What have they put out that is blatent lies or misinformation. They have two special interst groups out there....they have hannity (and his liberal counterpart) and then they have o'reilley who i am convinced that noone seriously listens to.....but there are other media outlets that have diliberately tried to subvert the public....CBS comes to mind...
TinFoilHat
22-03-2005, 07:20
You will never be happy until you see another Clinton in office...get off your high horse...and where did you get this...democracynow? That's just as reliable as Al Jezeera.


Al-Jazeera means the truth in Arabic. Now how can they lie. --j/k Really they are just a puppet like the rest.
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:28
You will never be happy until you see another Clinton in office...get off your high horse...and where did you get this...democracynow? That's just as reliable as Al Jezeera.
Clinton was a corporate whore--that spineless waffle is to blame for GOP jackboots siezing the majority in congress. I never want another Clinton in the White House again
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:29
How can FoxNews be so utterly evil to you people. What have they put out that is blatent lies or misinformation. They have two special interst groups out there....they have hannity (and his liberal counterpart) and then they have o'reilley who i am convinced that noone seriously listens to.....but there are other media outlets that have diliberately tried to subvert the public....CBS comes to mind...
Foxnews is evil because its outright propaganda masquerading as fake journalism and Colmes is no liberal--hes a joke
Palauu
22-03-2005, 07:31
It's not a conspiracy. It's simple greed -- How much in war profiteering can I squeeze out of this situation.
Zahumlje
22-03-2005, 07:34
Skap, long post, I enjoyed it.
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:35
Foxnews is evil because its outright propaganda masquerading as fake journalism and Colmes is no liberal--hes a joke

show the propaganda....i find it to be just barely right of center......and more others a little left of center....
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:36
Skap, long post, I enjoyed it.
thanks but I think Im about to get deated
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:38
show the propaganda....i find it to be just barely right of center......and more others a little left of center....
we've done this over and over again in the past. If you didnt believe it then your not gonna believe the evidence now--just rent the movie OutFoxed and TRY to watch it with an open mind
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:42
we've done this over and over again in the past. If you didnt believe it then your not gonna believe the evidence now--just rent the movie OutFoxed and TRY to watch it with an open mind

I haven;t been here a terribly long time so i missed it perhaps. It is 1240AM here in the states. i usually don;t have time for anything during the day as i am either in a class of some sort or at work, so i don't have time to watch movies. if you are available on an instant messaging service i would enjoy having a lienghtly discourse with you however as long as youdon;t become a left-wing pundit.
Skapedroe
22-03-2005, 07:45
I haven;t been here a terribly long time so i missed it perhaps. It is 1240AM here in the states. i usually don;t have time for anything during the day as i am either in a class of some sort or at work, so i don't have time to watch movies. if you are available on an instant messaging service i would enjoy having a lienghtly discourse with you however as long as youdon;t become a left-wing pundit.
Im on AOL do you have that or AIM?
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:46
sure do wileet4fud gimme a jingle. I promise not to spew rhetoric if you don;t....lol...

that's AIM.....my S/n is wileet4fud
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 07:55
skap...i challenged you to a battle of wits.....are you afraid? you have the tools necessary to confront me....
Dobbs Town
22-03-2005, 08:00
skap...i challenged you to a battle of wits.....are you afraid? you have the tools necessary to confront me....

I think you'll find Skapedroe is not the sort to show fear. Perhaps there is some technical difficulty you are unaware of. Is your response/query not somewhat premature, Auto?
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 08:03
I think you'll find Skapedroe is not the sort to show fear. Perhaps there is some technical difficulty you are unaware of. Is your response/query not somewhat premature, Auto?

we were replying back and forth almost instantaneously, i would assume that he would be watching it as closely as i was. i did not think him as one to show fear either. i actually respect skapedrowe in the fact that he has the balls to say what he does. I would respect him more though if he didn;t use sources like democracynow.
Autocraticama
22-03-2005, 08:11
well dang....skap is offline now.....THIS ISN'T OVER...lol.....I seriously look forward to talking to you Skap. And i will be open-minded...as always....just promise you aren;t too close minded about being open minded. i have moral convictions that can;t be overturned by mere logic...that is not weakness....
Anikian
22-03-2005, 08:17
Welcome back, tr - err, Skape.
Chellis
22-03-2005, 08:25
I thought it was because bush has a small penor?
Skapedroe
23-03-2005, 05:59
sure do wileet4fud gimme a jingle. I promise not to spew rhetoric if you don;t....lol...

that's AIM.....my S/n is wileet4fud
Ok
Skapedroe
23-03-2005, 06:02
I think you'll find Skapedroe is not the sort to show fear. Perhaps there is some technical difficulty you are unaware of. Is your response/query not somewhat premature, Auto?
Dobbs would be correct as usual-I signed off last nite after making that post and this is the first time Im seeing it now. I wish there was some way we could all speak in a chat somehow tho
Skapedroe
23-03-2005, 06:04
we were replying back and forth almost instantaneously, i would assume that he would be watching it as closely as i was. i did not think him as one to show fear either. i actually respect skapedrowe in the fact that he has the balls to say what he does. I would respect him more though if he didn;t use sources like democracynow.
all the rest of the media uses democracynow for their breaking news why cant I?
Skapedroe
23-03-2005, 06:06
Welcome back, tr - err, Skape.
danke comrade
Imperial Dark Rome
23-03-2005, 06:12
How can FoxNews be so utterly evil to you people. What have they put out that is blatent lies or misinformation. They have two special interst groups out there....they have hannity (and his liberal counterpart) and then they have o'reilley who i am convinced that noone seriously listens to.....but there are other media outlets that have diliberately tried to subvert the public....CBS comes to mind...

How dare you. I'm a huge fan of O'Reilley and the FoxNews channel. They are the only news channel that is not always leaning to the far left. They give both sides of the story. They are fair and balanced.

I'm a Republican and I don't even like Hannity.

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh
Alien Born
23-03-2005, 06:57
For those too lazy to read the transcript, you can watch the item here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8332.htm

It appears to be a Newsnight special from the BBC.
Panhandlia
23-03-2005, 07:04
skap...i challenged you to a battle of wits.....are you afraid? you have the tools necessary to confront me....
Skapedroe's severely un-armed for such a battle.
Panhandlia
23-03-2005, 07:06
all the rest of the media uses democracynow for their breaking news why cant I?
No one in the mainstream uses demagoguerynow.
Greedy Pig
23-03-2005, 07:32
Welcome back Skape. Where have you been. I missed your funny stories.
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 01:40
How dare you. I'm a huge fan of O'Reilley and the FoxNews channel. They are the only news channel that is not always leaning to the far left. They give both sides of the story. They are fair and balanced.

I'm a Republican and I don't even like Hannity.

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh
thats a total lie. Foxnews only gives onesided propaganda that hurts the American people
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 01:42
Welcome back Skape. Where have you been. I missed your funny stories.
I get migraines but theyre gone now
ReePUBlick
24-03-2005, 01:45
Nice!
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 02:00
Nice!
marijuana helps ease the pain
Steel Butterfly
24-03-2005, 02:08
How about you go out on a limb and use a dignified source for once, Skap? Or maybe surprise us all and come up with an original thought? How 'bout you open your eyes and realize that all news is slanted, fox and every else included? Whoever says they respect you for having the balls to say what you do is kidding themselves. You're nothing, copy and pasting ridiculously biased garbage and flaunting it before us all like an attention whore while you hide in the safety of your computer room at home. Grow up.
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 02:45
How about you go out on a limb and use a dignified source for once, Skap? Or maybe surprise us all and come up with an original thought? How 'bout you open your eyes and realize that all news is slanted, fox and every else included? Whoever says they respect you for having the balls to say what you do is kidding themselves. You're nothing, copy and pasting ridiculously biased garbage and flaunting it before us all like an attention whore while you hide in the safety of your computer room at home. Grow up.
I go to some demonstrations too
Steel Butterfly
24-03-2005, 02:50
I go to some demonstrations too

That's your reply?

um...

well...

ya...

uh...

congradulations...?
Unistate
24-03-2005, 02:51
Wow, weird. A literate troll! I have to give him kudos, but... *Discards nonetheless*
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 03:20
trolls for social justice create faith in the future outta of the now
Steel Butterfly
24-03-2005, 04:54
trolls for social justice create faith in the future outta of the now

Regardless, trolls are illegal on this site.
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 04:57
Regardless, trolls are illegal on this site.
Jesus was a troll. Would Jesus be deated from NS?
Steel Butterfly
24-03-2005, 04:59
Jesus was a troll. Would Jesus be deated from NS?

lol...*jesus with horns hiding under a bridge*

I'm not looking for a DEAT here, Skape. But, if Jesus broke site rules, Jesus should be and would be punished. Laws apply to everyone, buddy. If they didn't, you'd actually have something to rant about.
Skapedroe
24-03-2005, 05:19
lol...*jesus with horns hiding under a bridge*

I'm not looking for a DEAT here, Skape. But, if Jesus broke site rules, Jesus should be and would be punished. Laws apply to everyone, buddy. If they didn't, you'd actually have something to rant about.
Jesus said only to obey the good rules
Autocraticama
24-03-2005, 05:33
What's wrong skap....afraid i may expose you to be nothing more than a talking head? Afraid your whole conspiracy-laden world may crash down on you. Message me on AIM: wileet4fud
Straughn
25-03-2005, 04:43
No one in the mainstream uses demagoguerynow.
Ya know you might have a smidge more respectability if you could prove yourself more mature than changing the name of something to suit a tepid wit. Seriously, a huge portion of rightwing f*ckheads seem to be very fond of this playground repartee. What next, challenge Ska to lick a frozen tetherball pole?
:rolleyes:
Boobeeland
25-03-2005, 16:42
Jesus said only to obey the good rules

You're so full of it. I suppose you've got a source for THIS one, too. Tell me again where Jesus says to only obey the good rules. :rolleyes:
Pablo The Squirrel
30-03-2005, 01:13
Good points well made skap...

To steel butterfly just because someone posts something that disagrees with you blinkered world view does not make them a troll.
ShadyFiend
30-03-2005, 02:50
Good points well made skap...

To steel butterfly just because someone posts something that disagrees with you blinkered world view does not make them a troll.
You see Pablo--on NS news is considered "spam" and having controversial political opinions is called "flaming"--its a whole other reality here :rolleyes:
Kholar
30-03-2005, 03:05
still blaming the iraq war on Oil ?
Come now, Surely you could think up something new.
How about Textiles or Vegitables?
or you could spice it up a little bit like maby "radioactive aztec gold' or "tyrannical finnish goblins"

Where is your imagination?
I'm afraid I'm going to have to give you a D- for lack of creativity.
Please see me in my office after class
Boobeeland
30-03-2005, 05:00
You see Pablo--on NS news is considered "spam" and having controversial political opinions is called "flaming"--its a whole other reality here :rolleyes:

The only "news" considered spam is the articles Skapedroe cuts and pastes from democracynow, and Skap doesn't post controversial political opinions, he posts mindless one line idiocies. We don't mind a good debate between opposing viewpoints, just posts with no point.
Kholar
30-03-2005, 05:08
So, who the hell is Greg Palast and why should I ( or anyone) beleive him?
Globes R Us
03-04-2005, 03:45
[QUOTE=Kholar]still blaming the iraq war on Oil ?

Why not? It's true. What's the point of this place if all people who don't like to read certain views, instead of not reading, go whining to mod? What a bunch of wankers.
Globes R Us
03-04-2005, 04:00
And what about this? An account of American attrocity by a serving soldier. Don't like this truth either?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8441.htm
Johnny Wadd
03-04-2005, 04:19
And what about this? An account of American attrocity by a serving soldier. Don't like this truth either?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8441.htm

You sir, are a fountain of misinformation.
The Burnsian Desert
03-04-2005, 04:45
You sir, are a fountain of misinformation.

More like a river. And anyways, has everyone forgotten all the unarmed civilians that were brutally killed a few years ago? Oh, sorry, those were rich Americans that deserved to die anyways because they were in the way of an aircraft. Not the terrorists' fault, oh no! The people should've gotten out of the way, or better yet, stayed where they were so they could be eliminated from the gene pool.

Apologetists disgust me.
Armandian Cheese
03-04-2005, 04:49
Skapedroe, are you pulling theories out of your ass again? Why won't people accept the simple truth? Dubya thought there were WMDs. The CIA said so, the French said so, Bill Clinton said so, Dick Gephardt said so, the Russians said so, the British said so, the list goes on and on. Use some facts before coming up with this convoluted wackjob theory.
Boobeeland
04-04-2005, 15:47
And don't forget John Kerry...he said there were WMD's in Iraq.

But Bush is a liar because he made a decision based on the best facts available at the time. :rolleyes: