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Can you say waste of money? (http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/mygeneration/ci_2499966)

Honestly, what a waste of money.

Wow, loser (http://mauro166.tripod.com/)

http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/06/30/0drive/dr030-soups_0604n.jpg
Wow.

Feel free to comment, I'd like to debate with people online more, since most losers at my school want cars like those above.

Also, online debates do not turn into the same thing as they do at school which turns into personal attacks against my choice of being patriotic, and driving an American car. (an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)

Also, online debates do not turn into the same thing as they do at school which turns into personal attacks against my choice of being patriotic, and driving an American car. (an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)

I think you'll find yourself mistaken.

"Buying a car that will do 12 miles to the gallon and pump noxious gases into the atmosphere is the AMERICAN thing to do!"

Sheesh. It would be funny if it weren't so scary.

(an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)
....and will come off worse than a smaller car in a collision with a tree....

Can you say waste of money? (http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/mygeneration/ci_2499966)

Honestly, what a waste of money.

Wow, loser (http://mauro166.tripod.com/)

http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/06/30/0drive/dr030-soups_0604n.jpg
Wow.

Feel free to comment, I'd like to debate with people online more, since most losers at my school want cars like those above.

Also, online debates do not turn into the same thing as they do at school which turns into personal attacks against my choice of being patriotic, and driving an American car. (an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)

Asian cars, at least here are generally cheaper, and are more fuel efficient thus saving a lot of money, they also perform well in crash tests. I don't have a car or want a car, but I don't have any affinity for souped up cars.

Do you want a SUV's to run smaller cars over?

That's a pretty crappy car, and I've always hated those "gangstas" who think it's cool to put neon lights and big wheels onto their car.

(an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)
Maybe, but only if it doesn't roll over and combust.

I think you'll find yourself mistaken.

"Buying a car that will do 12 miles to the gallon and pump noxious gases into the atmosphere is the AMERICAN thing to do!"

Sheesh. It would be funny if it weren't so scary.


No, it gets around 20 miles per gallon, and passed the emmisions test with full colors. I can post the results next time I'm at my dad's house.

um. What's wrong with custom cars?
What's wrong with spending your money on something you like?

Note that a debate requires you to make a statement and back it up.

you haven't done that. when you do, I'll be happy to debate you :D

I've always liked rims. Especially the ones that have the green lights on the side.

Man...Kahta you really don't have any sense of fun do you?

....and will come off worse than a smaller car in a collision with a tree....

Not really, there's more room for the car to crumple.

Maybe, but only if it doesn't roll over and combust.
an SUV has a hell of alot more momentum to shed when it hits the tree

Man...Kahta you really don't have any sense of fun do you?


Yes, I do. I just don't do normal "fun" things.

um. What's wrong with custom cars?
What's wrong with spending your money on something you like?

Note that a debate requires you to make a statement and back it up.

you haven't done that. when you do, I'll be happy to debate you :D


Custom cars are wrong because they provide a drain on the economy, there will be an entire generation with no retirement money because they "tricked out yo' sweet rims dude".

They are also wrong because its part of gangsterism.

That car makes my eyes bleed.

But I don't support SUVs. They hog up the road, guzzle too much gas (they sure don't help lower gas prices, and I'm sure the oil barons in Saudi Arabia are getting richer and richer and thus able to funnel more money to their terrorist buddies), and every soccer mom who can't drive goes around in them all over town like they are superior to you, they don't even engage them into 4-wheel drive!

Not really, there's more room for the car to crumple.

The smaller the car is, the more likely you are smashed.

Wow, loser (http://mauro166.tripod.com/)


I think it's a waste of cash myself, but each to his own.

EDIT: heh, just noticed the abysmal website design...

Custom cars are wrong because they provide a drain on the economy, there will be an entire generation with no retirement money because they "tricked out yo' sweet rims dude".

They are also wrong because its part of gangsterism.

Hmm... I don't think they'd have any retirement money anyways.

What has the United States done to deserve having my thousands of dollars spent on an american car rather than a european or japanese car?


Also, I can see no reason *other* than patriotism to buy an american car.

Not really, there's more room for the car to crumple.
a mid to largish saloon will always be safer than an SUV

That car makes my eyes bleed.

But I don't support SUVs. They hog up the road, guzzle too much gas (they sure don't help lower gas prices, and I'm sure the oil barons in Saudi Arabia are getting richer and richer and thus able to funnel more money to their terrorist buddies), and every soccer mom who can't drive goes around in them all over town like they are superior to you, they don't even engage them into 4-wheel drive!


I need an SUV because I live in New England, I will drive it to school, and I will need it for carrying my WWII re-enacting stuff in a safe spot.

I use 4WD in mine when there is snow on the road. And I don't drive faster, because it still takes time to stop on the snow.

I spend less by using public transportation than any car owner would spend on gas alone.

Honestly, what a waste of money.

Wow, loser (http://mauro166.tripod.com/)

http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/06/30/0drive/dr030-soups_0604n.jpg
Another LRC! ( Little Round Car )

I spend less by using public transportation than any car owner would spend on gas alone.


When i travel to civilized cities i use the public transport, but here it is trash.

That's a pretty crappy car, and I've always hated those "gangstas" who think it's cool to put neon lights and big wheels onto their car.



Could you possibly rephrase that to make it less inflamitory? I'd appreciate that. ;)


Urban culture (aka hip-hop culture or gangsta culture) is just as valid of a style as any other. This is the equivalent of me saying "I hate those guys who think it's cool to where kilts".

If what I'm doing isn't hurting you (which the practice in question definately does not)- why do you care what I think is cool?

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi
Wow can you say what a waste of time???

People are entitled to their choice of cars and what they choose to do with them. What about the hotrods of the 50s. Those were the products of many hours of time and talent and many are worth $1000 now. These are just people personalizing something that they depend on to live out their daily lives. What you spent on your SUV, is probably what these people spent buying the car and all the aftermarket body parts. Sorry i just don't see what is so wrong with someone making their car look the way they want it.
:confused:

Custom cars are wrong because they provide a drain on the economy, there will be an entire generation with no retirement money because they "tricked out yo' sweet rims dude".

They are also wrong because its part of gangsterism.


:headbang: Oh for the love of GAH!!

Generalization...Sensationalism...Stereotyping...White Ebonics...Moral Highgrounding...

Anything else I missed that I need to add to this list?

I need an SUV because I live in New England, I will drive it to school, and I will need it for carrying my WWII re-enacting stuff in a safe spot.

I use 4WD in mine when there is snow on the road. And I don't drive faster, because it still takes time to stop on the snow.

WWII reenacting stuff?

I spend less by using public transportation than any car owner would spend on gas alone.
There's no such thing as "public transportation" here. Either you drive a car, ride a bike, or walk! :(

The smaller the car is, the more likely you are smashed.

Yes, exactly, an SUV, any truck (except the poor ones, like S-10's), and any full size sedan is safe. (The cars listed below are safe)

I want the following cars:

http://www.icionline.ca/images/products/grilleguards/onki/onki-chevy-avalanche-1.jpg
Chevy Avalanche

http://newcars.globemegawheels.com/images/jato/photo400/LINCOLN/TOWN%20CAR/2005/4SA.JPG
Lincoln Town Car

http://www.moosejawfordsales.com/library/images/shared/foc/Expedition_1.jpg
Ford Expedition

Yes, exactly, an SUV, any truck (except the poor ones, like S-10's), and any full size sedan is safe. (The cars listed below are safe)

I want the following cars:

http://www.icionline.ca/images/products/grilleguards/onki/onki-chevy-avalanche-1.jpg
Chevy Avalanche

http://newcars.globemegawheels.com/images/jato/photo400/LINCOLN/TOWN%20CAR/2005/4SA.JPG
Lincoln Town Car

http://www.moosejawfordsales.com/library/images/shared/foc/Expedition_1.jpg
Ford Expedition

I still wouldn't buy one though.

The only SUVs worth driving are slightly old land rovers, dated toyota land cruisers and jeeps from certain years in the 1990s.


Ricers are only slightly less ugly than SUVs. I've shot out the windows of large SUVs (ford giant uglies, hummer #2s, cadillac trucks &c.) as a point of moral decency.

Also as a matter of course I honk at them when they obscure the view or dont come off a light as quickly as a car would. Thats really every day.

I also honk at them when they impede my driving on the freeways.

(an SUV, which will win in any accident against ANY "souped" car.)

WRONG! you see, what about the cars with full racing roll cage with full bucket racing seats and five point harness? that how a car should be done

WRONG! you see, what about the cars with full racing roll cage with full bucket racing seats and five point harness? that how a car should be done


I dont believe in aftermarket junk for cars.

Yes, exactly, an SUV, any truck (except the poor ones, like S-10's), and any full size sedan is safe. (The cars listed below are safe)

I want the following cars:

http://www.icionline.ca/images/products/grilleguards/onki/onki-chevy-avalanche-1.jpg
Chevy Avalanche

http://newcars.globemegawheels.com/images/jato/photo400/LINCOLN/TOWN%20CAR/2005/4SA.JPG
Lincoln Town Car

http://www.moosejawfordsales.com/library/images/shared/foc/Expedition_1.jpg
Ford Expedition

the Peugeot 1007 (http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6589.jpg) gets better crash test ratings than most SUVs

Custom cars are wrong because they provide a drain on the economy, there will be an entire generation with no retirement money because they "tricked out yo' sweet rims dude".


The % of people who customize their cars is probably less than 1% and definately less than 5%. This is not nearly enough to use to make assumptions about an entire generation. Also, this practice can be attributed to juvenile antics. I would assume that most people who practice this are (well) under 30 and have yet to really start their family/future planning. We all spend money on dumb stuff when we're young. The retirement cotastrophy that you seem to be predicting is not even a vague possibility.


They are also wrong because its part of gangsterism.


You're going to have to explain that more before I can respond to it. What is "gangsterism"? What is wrong with it?

There's no such thing as "public transportation" here. Either you drive a car, ride a bike, or walk! :(
Some places are better than others. My parents' house is about 15 miles from St. Paul, but I can still get all around the cities. I went to college 15 miles North of Chicago. There's plenty of transportation there. I spent one summer in San Luis Obispo, CA. The town has about 10,000 people (EDIT: upon closer inspection, it has ~44k, but I don't know where they are), and they have buses that go all over the town. There's also transit to nearby cities. I also spent a summer in Princeton, NJ. Philadelphia and New York are just a few dollars away.

the only SUV worth spending anymoney on would be something exotic, something unseen, something thats fast, something thats a Lambourghini.
That only leaves the LM002

http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/LM002/HLA12048b.jpg

Could you possibly rephrase that to make it less inflamitory? I'd appreciate that. ;)

Urban culture (aka hip-hop culture or gangsta culture) is just as valid of a style as any other. This is the equivalent of me saying "I hate those guys who think it's cool to where kilts".

If what I'm doing isn't hurting you (which the practice in question definately does not)- why do you care what I think is cool?
Sorry, but it just pisses me off when upper middle class white suburban males try to act all 'ghetto', while wearing $200 shoes and a $50 hat.

I have no problem with real 'gangstas', it's just that all we get around here are the former.

the Peugeot 1007 (http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6589.jpg) gets better crash test ratings than most SUVs


In its class.

the Peugeot 1007 (http://www.autoweek.nl/images/480/6589.jpg) gets better crash test ratings than most SUVs


In its class.

Accident ratings are only valid for cars within 500 lbs of eachother.

WRONG! you see, what about the cars with full racing roll cage with full bucket racing seats and five point harness? that how a car should be done


If I could afford it, I would, but I spend all my money on the gas. :)

Just kidding.

In its class.

Accident ratings are only valid for cars within 500 lbs of eachother.
no....theyre rated on occupant protection...for example when driven head on into a wall at 40mph

Eurp NCAP (http://www.euroncap.com/index.php)

WWII reenacting stuff?

Yes, like a cot, sleeping bag, tent, gun, etc.

The only SUVs worth driving are slightly old land rovers, dated toyota land cruisers and jeeps from certain years in the 1990s.


Ricers are only slightly less ugly than SUVs. I've shot out the windows of large SUVs (ford giant uglies, hummer #2s, cadillac trucks &c.) as a point of moral decency.

Also as a matter of course I honk at them when they obscure the view or dont come off a light as quickly as a car would. Thats really every day.

I also honk at them when they impede my driving on the freeways.


You're a jerk.

Asian cars, at least here are generally cheaper, and are more fuel efficient thus saving a lot of money, they also perform well in crash tests. I don't have a car or want a car, but I don't have any affinity for souped up cars.

Do you want a SUV's to run smaller cars over?
Nah I think that Kahta is one of those trade protectionists.

You're going to have to explain that more before I can respond to it. What is "gangsterism"? What is wrong with it?

Gangsterism is the culture promoted in rap music, its a culture of decadence, destruction, drugs, sex, sinning, and violence.

Nah I think that Kahta is one of those trade protectionists.

Yep. :)

If it's not American, there's no reason for it to be here.

Yep. :)

If it's not American, there's no reason for it to be here.
you are a pure native, yes?

Asian cars, at least here are generally cheaper, and are more fuel efficient thus saving a lot of money, they also perform well in crash tests. I don't have a car or want a car, but I don't have any affinity for souped up cars.

Do you want a SUV's to run smaller cars over?


Asian cars are for people that don't like America and like increasing the trade deficit. (I know, we've been over this 5 times, but the profit DOES go to Japan)

Also, the steel is weaker in high-speed crashes, American steel is better.

you are a pure native, yes?


Pure native?

Yes, I am 100% American, also 100% white, Chrisitan, etc.

Its not the indian's land, they weren't using it properly, so we took it for better uses.

Pure native?

Yes, I am 100% American, also 100% white, Chrisitan, etc.

Its not the indian's land, they weren't using it properly, so we took it for better uses.
its not the american manufacturers land, they arent doing it properly, so the japanese manufacturers have taken it and done better

works the same way

the fact is that the european settlers stole the land, so for an American to turn round and say they want to protect their manufacturers from being overtaken by better ones is, frankly, farcical

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi
Wow can you say what a waste of time???

People are entitled to their choice of cars and what they choose to do with them. What about the hotrods of the 50s. Those were the products of many hours of time and talent and many are worth $1000 now. These are just people personalizing something that they depend on to live out their daily lives. What you spent on your SUV, is probably what these people spent buying the car and all the aftermarket body parts. Sorry i just don't see what is so wrong with someone making their car look the way they want it.
:confused:
Pretty much.

[to the topic and not the quote] Damn-it's their car, if you don't like it don't drive one like that. Besides, it's a Dodge, shouldn't you be all balled up happy that they did that to an american car instead of a Honda? Now we have to buy american and keep them boring? I don't want to live in your grey world.

And to the 'Pffft, think of their future..." Carol Shelby recognizes the merit of these kids because he knows something you should have known-the hot rodders of today are the automotive leaders of tommorrow. The kids that hot rod these cars are innovating the same way that Shelby and his peers did in the 50s and 60s, and are becoming the new wave of designers. So I believe that they are handling thier (and our) future pretty damn well, and having a lot more fun than most of us...

That Escalade you put up was twice as garish as that little Neon and cost 4X as much. I think the kid in the Neon wins out.

Pure native?

Yes, I am 100% American, also 100% white, Chrisitan, etc.

Its not the indian's land, they weren't using it properly, so we took it for better uses.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: You derserve that. :p



Indians are in India, the people you refer to are Native Americans or aboriginals.

Meh. It's this generation's "Ugly, useless status-based waste of money." You'd be surprised how many baby-boomers people judge their own sucess at life by how perfectly they emulate the yuppie/WASP stereotype. Now it's how closely we emulate the Gangsta stereotype. It's annoying, but hard to get a head of steam about you for it. I mean, how many people here spend an extra hour just because they actually care about their post count?


And, having been rear-ended by an SUV in both a Honda Accord and a GMC Jimmy, the Honda comes out on top. In both situations, the (ford) SUV's were rather near ruined, but the Honda just needed the rear bumper replaced (about $400), whereas the GMC (4 years and 120K miles newer) lost alignment, shocks, the rear hatch, and started having brake problems and grating noises (about $3000). Not like, considering how rarely I drive on roads when/where there are other people, that would actually make a difference with the 30-something Vs 12-15 MPG they get.

Granted, it's 30-something MPG Might-Hit-60-downhill-with-a-strong-breeze-at-it's-back Vs. the 12-15 MPG 7/8 second 60, but stopping to fill a larger tank almost twice as often still overrrides.


Asian cars are for people that don't like America and like increasing the trade deficit. (I know, we've been over this 5 times, but the profit DOES go to Japan)A tiny percentage of it, just like a tiny percentage goes here with American cars. Most of it disappears to Venezuela, The Congo, etc. either way. Outsourcing is The American Thing To Do™.

As for "weaker at high-speed crashes," well, if you're in a high-speed crash, at least one party is an idiot in exactly the same way that's necessary for a rollover, so they kinda come out even in that respect.

its not the american manufacturers land, they arent doing it properly, so the japanese manufacturers have taken it and done better

works the same way

the fact is that the european settlers stole the land, so for an American to turn round and say they want to protect their manufacturers from being overtaken by better ones is, frankly, farcical


No, they're just screwing us over and de-industrializing America.

I want them all to leave, they're destroying America.

No, we didn't steal the land, but I don't think it matters anyways, since most natives are drunks, and hate whites, and sit around, talking to lawers about getting more handouts. I think we should take their reservations away and force them to live like normal people, and stop giving them special treatment.

Japanese manufacturers are not better, they just offer cheaper products. Its mostly poor, unpatriotic people that buy them anyways.

Damnit, I hate agreeing with Kahta. But I've never understood dumping $30,000 worth of modifications into a $15,000 car.

No, they're just screwing us over and de-industrializing America.

I want them all to leave, they're destroying America.

No, we didn't steal the land, but I don't think it matters anyways, since most natives are drunks, and hate whites, and sit around, talking to lawers about getting more handouts. I think we should take their reservations away and force them to live like normal people, and stop giving them special treatment.

Japanese manufacturers are not better, they just offer cheaper products. Its mostly poor, unpatriotic people that buy them anyways.

Would you be able to say that to the face of an Aboriginal?

Well, i consider myself to be feircely patriotic, but, when you are buying an asian car, THEY ARE NOT SHIPPED OVER TO THE US!!!!! 90% of foreign cars are built HERE BY AMERICANS!!! I don;t like american cars for the most part. The only domestic cars i like are the Dodge Magnum (http://www.crevelingdodge.com/home/rotating_images/magnum.jpg), the Chrysler 300C (http://www.chrysler.lv/images/chryslerinside/wallpaper/wp_300c_01_high.jpg), and the 2005 Ford Mustang (http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Ford-Mustang-2005/Ford-Mustang-2005-035.jpg).

I don't own an american car, but my first 2 cars were american, they were the 1985 Parisienne Brougham (http://images.v8cars.hu/lista/pont85parizsi.jpg) and the 1995 Pontiac Bonneville (http://www.psesuperchargers.com/graphics/9495SE.jpg)

I just bought a new car in January and it is foreign...i have wanted this car for a few years and my credit finally allowed me to get it, and i paid most of it already since i have been saving for a brand new luxury car since i was a sophomore in high school...now i have a Infiniti G35 Coupe (http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/t/a/tam934/images/cars/infiniti.g35.coupe.1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/t/a/tam934/cars.htm&h=600&w=800&sz=37&tbnid=ygOO810CnTUJ:&tbnh=106&tbnw=141&start=13&prev=/images%3Fq%3DG35%2BCoupe%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN)

It is the best car i have ever driven,and i outfitted it with several performance upgrades. I can sqeeze about 33 mpg out of it with premium gas and freedom fuel additive. There are only 2 cars i would trade this for, but they are far off for me. The Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/aston_martin/aston_martin_v12_vanquish_2000_03_s.jpg) or the BMW 645Ci (http://www.seriouswheels.com/2004/2004-BMW-645Ci-Coupe-SA-Speed-1600x1200.htm) . There is no reason in this day and age not to buy a foreign car.

And, having been rear-ended by an SUV in both a Honda Accord and a GMC Jimmy, the Honda comes out on top. In both situations, the (ford) SUV's were rather near ruined, but the Honda just needed the rear bumper replaced (about $400), whereas the GMC (4 years and 120K miles newer) lost alignment, shocks, the rear hatch, and started having brake problems and grating noises (about $3000). Not like, considering how rarely I drive on roads when/where there are other people, that would actually make a difference with the 30-something Vs 12-15 MPG they get.

Granted, it's 30-something MPG Might-Hit-60-downhill-with-a-strong-breeze-at-it's-back Vs. the 12-15 MPG 7/8 second 60, but stopping to fill a larger tank almost twice as often still overrrides.

Well, I'd rather be safe and up high, and have my car ruined, than hurt and have my car fine.

Mid-size SUVs do not get 12-15 MPG. And they can get to 60 in less than 7 seconds, my Explorer can do it in 6.

There is no reason in this day and age not to buy a foreign car.


boooo!!!!

Get out.

Would you be able to say that to the face of an Aboriginal?


Yes, as long as I had something to defend myself with. I've said that homosexuality is disgusting to the face of gays before.

Damnit, I hate agreeing with Kahta. But I've never understood dumping $30,000 worth of modifications into a $15,000 car.


It was bound to happen eventually. :D

Yes, as long as I had something to defend myself with. I've said that homosexuality is disgusting to the face of gays before.

Why do you think that they might attack you? Did you bring a weapon when you confronted the homosexual?



Yes I know this is off topic, but this a pet peeve of mine :mad:

Why do you think that they might attack you? Did you bring a weapon when you confronted the homosexual?


No, I'm not scared of a girly-man. I feel bad for his dad, his dad drives a nice F-250, must be tough knowing your kids a little girly f----t, and you won't have any grandchildren.

No, I'm not scared of a girly-man. I feel bad for his dad, his dad drives a nice F-250, must be tough knowing your kids a little girly f----t, and you won't have any grandchildren.

I'm transgender. Am I even worse then? Do you feel bad for my Dad?

And why did you feel it necessary to mention the type of car his Dad drives? I know this is a thread about cars... but the part of the discussion it was in didn't fit at all. Is he a better person for having a car with more numbers than letters in its name?

a whole lot of insane rediculous meritless hate-filled BS



LOL. I'm new here so I actually took you seriously and thought you might be worth debating! Shame on me I guess. :rolleyes:

No, I'm not scared of a girly-man. I feel bad for his dad, his dad drives a nice F-250, must be tough knowing your kids a little girly f----t, and you won't have any grandchildren.

First of all I really respect you, because you have balls. Though I would prefer that you didn't purposely insult people, just disagree. :)

I'm transgender. Am I even worse then? Do you feel bad for my Dad?

And why did you feel it necessary to mention the type of car his Dad drives? I know this is a thread about cars... but the part of the discussion it was in didn't fit at all. Is he a better person for having a car with more numbers than letters in its name?

Yes, I do.

A man that drives an F-250 is usually more manly than one that drives a sports car, or a mid-size sedan, or a "sport" SUV, or any other car that poor, classless trash drives.

First of all I really respect you, because you have balls. Though I would prefer that you didn't purposely insult people, just disagree. :)

I did it that time, and I'll do it again. God hates them and I don't like them very much.

Yes, I do.

A man that drives an F-250 is usually more manly than one that drives a sports car, or a mid-size sedan, or a "sport" SUV, or any other car that poor, classless trash drives.

I......can't.........resist.

So it is a white man's car?

You're a jerk.


If people rated polite treatment they would'nt have bought SUVs.

It is a matter of character.

Yes, I do.

A man that drives an F-250 is usually more manly than one that drives a sports car, or a mid-size sedan, or a "sport" SUV, or any other car that poor, classless trash drives.
So you're saying that you judge people based on what kind of car they drive?

Yep. :)

If it's not American, there's no reason for it to be here.

Wow holy living hell.

Someone has never taken (understood?) an economics class.
Not one in his whole life.


How can I be so sure?

It is impossible to provide a good economics education without ideas like *specialization.*

No one with even an elementary grasp of economics would say something like "if it isnt made in america, there is no reason for it to be here."

Yes, I do.

A man that drives an F-250 is usually more manly than one that drives a sports car, or a mid-size sedan, or a "sport" SUV, or any other car that poor, classless trash drives.


Ford f 250 trucks are for construction laborers and pig feed haulers.

You have some very bizzare and incorrect ideas about class.

Ford f 250 trucks are for construction laborers and pig feed haulers.

You have some very bizzare and incorrect ideas about class.

What are you talking about? The only people I ever see in Ford trucks are middle managers and accountants. The manliest of men!

Gangsterism is the culture promoted in rap music, its a culture of decadence, destruction, drugs, sex, sinning, and violence.
Yeah its pretty awesome isn't it?


On a side note: You're a gimmick thats becoming rapidly unfunny.

So it is a white man's car?

Yes. coloreds drive crappy cars, because most of them are poor, or up to their eyes in debt.

What are you talking about? The only people I ever see in Ford trucks are middle managers and accountants. The manliest of men!


Indeed, and as a post script to my other post I would like to explain that my implication is not that everyone who likes to drive trucks is a day laborer &c.

However, trucks are not a sign of class or sophistication. Nor are SUVs.

If people rated polite treatment they would'nt have bought SUVs.

It is a matter of character.

Wow.

You call them impolite, and you're the one that shoots the windows?

Wow.

You call them impolite, and you're the one that shoots the windows?


Kahta, I have a moral obligation to impede wrongdoers.

EDIT:

Et... I did not call them impolite, I said that they did not rate polite treatment.

You can tell unequivocally because they bought huge SUVs.

Indeed, and as a post script to my other post I would like to explain that my implication is not that everyone who likes to drive trucks is a day laborer &c.

However, trucks are not a sign of class or sophistication. Nor are SUVs.

I would also like to point out that, despite my sarcastic comment, I do not believe that all middle managers and accountants are necessarily "unmanly", whatever that may mean.

However, trucks are not a sign of class or sophistication. Nor are SUVs.


Thats probobly because you're poor trash and you can't afford one.

Kahta, I have a moral obligation to impede wrongdoers.

EDIT:

Et... I did not call them impolite, I said that they did not rate polite treatment.

You can tell unequivocally because they bought huge SUVs.

Regarless, if anyone shot out any of the windows on my car, I'd do something which I can't say.

I would also like to point out that, despite my sarcastic comment, I do not believe that all middle managers and accountants are necessarily "unmanly", whatever that may mean.

True, but not all women accountants are manly.

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Thats probobly because you're poor trash and you can't afford one.
no...

a mercedes is a sign of wealth, a bentley is a sign of wealth, an aston martin is a sign of wealth

a rusting truck is the sign of a redneck

a new truck is the sign of a twat

I would just like to say that in a similar vein to this argument that Pimp My Ride is an awesome show and I will fight anyone, man or woman, who says differently.

God is a pretty nice person, god is incapable of hate or why else would there be a devil?



This is NOT a religious debate, do not make it one.

This is NOT a religious debate, do not make it one.

Sorry :(

Wow holy living hell.

Someone has never taken (understood?) an economics class.
Not one in his whole life.


How can I be so sure?

It is impossible to provide a good economics education without ideas like *specialization.*

No one with even an elementary grasp of economics would say something like "if it isnt made in america, there is no reason for it to be here."


America's economy did fine before globalization in the 1960's and beyond.

This is NOT a religious debate, do not make it one.
You did that, Kahta, so no bitching when other people throw it back in your face.
I did it that time, and I'll do it again. God hates them and I don't like them very much.

More insane meritless hate-filled BS, but this time blaming it on the Bible.


I don't know if you're serious or not, but if you want to talk about God make sure you have your facts straight.

According to the Bible:
- God hates sin, not sinners. God loves all of his creations (thereby your conclusion that god hates homosexuals is incorrect)

- In God's eyes all sins are equally bad.

- Homosexuality is a sin.

- Hatred (of people) is a sin.

-It is worst for a Christian to sin than a non-Christian because when a Christian sins it makes God appear weak to the outside world.
==========================
Each of these teaching are found in the Bible and if you ask me to site book and verse I will (but not tonight, I'm signing off after this post).

My conclusion:
If what the Bible teaches is true, you are worst in god's eyes for being a Christian who hates than any non-christian who practices homosexuality

You did that, Kahta, so no bitching when other people throw it back in your face.

Meh, I deleted my response, I have been changing the topic, but in retrospect that was to far.

Ford f 250 trucks are for construction laborers and pig feed haulers.

You have some very bizzare and incorrect ideas about class.

Yeah, and they still have more class than any poor colored trash.

Hard workers often have a lot of class, their jobs are not representative of their class. They are however represented by their economic class.

America's economy did fine before globalization in the 1960's and beyond.


Which has a bearing on specialization... how?

The fact that prior to technology globalized the economy it was less cost effective to import than to produce is in full accordance with specialization.

So you're saying that you judge people based on what kind of car they drive?

Yes.

Yeah, and they still have more class than any poor colored trash.

Hard workers often have a lot of class, their jobs are not representative of their class. They are however represented by their economic class.


All the truck driving construction workers around here are mexicans...

What are you talking about? The only people I ever see in Ford trucks are middle managers and accountants. The manliest of men!

My dad drives an Explorer, he owns it outright, and he is the COO of a Health Data Company. Most people don't even own their cars, its hardly theirs on a loan. My stepmom bought her Acrua MDX new, in 2001, when they first came out, with cash.

Personally, I think from one viewpoint, it would be best to limit how much debt people can have, because its hurting the economy.

Yes.

AAAAGGGHHHH You are a disgrace to caucasian, conservative christians.

All the truck driving construction workers around here are mexicans...


thats because the mexicans need to go back to where they came from :)

The only thing people should need to know in Spanish in a border state is: Vuelvas a mexico. :D :D

AAAAGGGHHHH You are a disgrace to caucasian, conservative christians.


I admit it, I'm an intellectual elitist.

My dad drives an Explorer, he owns it outright, and he is the COO of a Health Data Company. Most people don't even own their cars, its hardly theirs on a loan. My stepmom bought her Acrua MDX new, in 2001, when they first came out, with cash.

Personally, I think from one viewpoint, it would be best to limit how much debt people can have, because its hurting the economy.

But the point is, when you start bandying about words like "manly", no one is thinking of the COO of a Health Data Company. They're thinking about lumberjacks, Marines, Crocodile Dundee (who drives a Subaru).

I admit it, I'm an intellectual elitist.

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They are also wrong because its part of gangsterism.
Yes, it's wrong because you say it is. We got it.

I admit it, I'm an intellectual elitist.
lol.

So you're saying that you judge people based on what kind of car they drive?

Yes.

How do pedestrians like me score?

Personally, I think from one viewpoint, it would be best to limit how much debt people can have, because its hurting the economy.

Surely, within reasonable limits, debt is a good thing, because it stimulates the economy by allowing people to not only consume products, but also establish their own businesses, and generally encourage trade?

Kahta, you are funny!

I admit it, I'm an intellectual elitist.
compared to.......the dorsal ganglion of a cockroach.

compared to.......the dorsal ganglion of a cockroach.

haha

soooooooooooo funny

I'm smarter than 95% of the trash at the school I go to, I'm smarter than 60% of the people here on nationstates. I'd say in general, I'm smarter than 90% of the world's population. Though since this is an internet forum, talking about how smart I am in real life has no acutal meaning, since you're never spoken with me, or debated with me in any meaningful way. Its basiclly like bragging about something that is virtually impossible to prove.

But the point is, when you start bandying about words like "manly", no one is thinking of the COO of a Health Data Company. They're thinking about lumberjacks, Marines, Crocodile Dundee (who drives a Subaru).

How about "manly" as in 49 years old, and still playing baseball, running 2 miles a day, and being one of the best men I have ever come into contact with?

The other 2 are:
One of my uncles
My Grandfather on my mom's side

haha

soooooooooooo funny

I'm smarter than 95% of the trash at the school I go to, I'm smarter than 60% of the people here on nationstates. I'd say in general, I'm smarter than 90% of the world's population. Though since this is an internet forum, talking about how smart I am in real life has no acutal meaning, since you're never spoken with me, or debated with me in any meaningful way. Its basiclly like bragging about something that is virtually impossible to prove.

By your reasoning I'd say you are better than 90% of the people on NS.

How do pedestrians like me score?

I can't score you, I just assume you're being a good, smart, person and getting excersise by walking. I usually judge by people's clothes though.

haha

soooooooooooo funny

I'm smarter than 95% of the trash at the school I go to, I'm smarter than 60% of the people here on nationstates. I'd say in general, I'm smarter than 90% of the world's population. Though since this is an internet forum, talking about how smart I am in real life has no acutal meaning, since you're never spoken with me, or debated with me in any meaningful way. Its basiclly like bragging about something that is virtually impossible to prove.
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing..." - Socrates
So apparently you're an idiot.

Also: You're 16, shut up.

"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing..." - Socrates
So apparently you're an idiot.

Also: You're 16, shut up.


But you're forgetting that kahta knows everything, including that Jesus elected him to go to heaven. And didnt elect you or me.

haha

soooooooooooo funny

I'm smarter than 95% of the trash at the school I go to, I'm smarter than 60% of the people here on nationstates. I'd say in general, I'm smarter than 90% of the world's population. Though since this is an internet forum, talking about how smart I am in real life has no acutal meaning, since you're never spoken with me, or debated with me in any meaningful way. Its basiclly like bragging about something that is virtually impossible to prove.
lol.

Yes, that's it. Everyone else is stupid, you're smart, we get the point. ::roll::

Surely, within reasonable limits, debt is a good thing, because it stimulates the economy by allowing people to not only consume products, but also establish their own businesses, and generally encourage trade?

Within reasonable limits. Americans spend 3-5% more than they earn. I think the total amount of non-secured debt (mainly credit cards) should be some arbitrary number like 25% of your annual income. Otherwise poor people end up charging several times their yearly salary on credit cards and they never pay it off, because its at such a high interest rate. I think that what credit card companies do is morally unjustified and wrong. Don't even get me started on the new rules Mr. Bush has put into place.

I dont like flashy cars either cause there a money pit, and there loud.