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It's really not fair. All you wanted to do was withdraw some money from your bank account so that you could buy that really expensive stamp for your rare stamp collection, and suddenly three men in masks and holding pistols have stormed in and are currently emptying the safe. Luckily for you, you've managed to avoid detection by hiding behind a particularly bushy pot plant, and now you're just looking for a way to escape and/or save the day.

In your pockets you find some lint, a ten pence piece and a coathanger (why you have that, you do not know). You have no way of communicating with the outside world - or at least none that doesn't involve you being shot in the process. How do you escape and/or save the day?

Not a likely scenario for me. I always have a Mauser M2 and four magazines of ammunition on me. Even in the bank.

So I would be armed. Since that's not in your scenario, I won't ruin it for you.

It's really not fair. All you wanted to do was withdraw some money from your bank account so that you could buy that really expensive stamp for your rare stamp collection, and suddenly three men in masks and holding pistols have stormed in and are currently emptying the safe. Luckily for you, you've managed to avoid detection by hiding behind a particularly bushy pot plant, and now you're just looking for a way to escape and/or save the day.

In your pockets you find some lint, a ten pence piece and a coathanger (why you have that, you do not know). You have no way of communicating with the outside world - or at least none that doesn't involve you being shot in the process. How do you escape and/or save the day?

I stay where I am, try to dry out a bud with my lighter and then roll a fatty and have a good time

Stay sat there and wait for them to go away. Why do anything stupid.

In your pockets you find some lint, a ten pence piece and a coathanger (why you have that, you do not know). You have no way of communicating with the outside world - or at least none that doesn't involve you being shot in the process. How do you escape and/or save the day?

I would let out a mighty roar and charge at the robbers. They'd flee in terror from my wrath.

Hey, I've added a poll! What fun!

Oh, and assume the police have parked themselves out front, and that the thieves aren't going anywhere.

In your pockets you find some lint, a ten pence piece and a coathanger (why you have that, you do not know). You have no way of communicating with the outside world - or at least none that doesn't involve you being shot in the process. How do you escape and/or save the day?

I'd more likely be one of the ones robbing the bank, so I guess I'll have to be out of this one.

I stay where I am, try to dry out a bud with my lighter and then roll a fatty and have a good timeOr you could offer the robbers some of it, then wait until they're high and escape. :D

Wait for the robbers to be in the most opportune position viable, garrote one with the coat hanger, when he swings around joint lock his gun arm, take his gun, use him as a human shield, and finally blow the other two away without hesitation.

The only thing preventing this from being successful is doubt and restraint, abandon both and pure performance will carry you through it.

Thoughts?

PS:

Under normal circumstances I carry and it certainly isn't a coat hanger.

Thoughts?
PS:
Under normal circumstances I carry and it certainly isn't a coat hanger.

I carry also. I also clear an El Presidente in about 5.5 seconds.

Assuming I have surprise, I think I could get all 4 - but I might get unlucky. I would bet however, that I could get at least two before I get hit myself.

I carry also. I also clear an El Presidente in about 5.5 seconds.

Assuming I have surprise, I think I could get all 4 - but I might get unlucky. I would bet however, that I could get at least two before I get hit myself.

Sure you would rambo :rolleyes:
lol

Sure you would rambo :rolleyes:
lol
I'm willing to place money on the El Presidente in 5.5 seconds. It's my regular time. That's draw, hit three targets twice each, reload, hit three targets twice each, stop the clock.

That's with my semi-auto. Not quite so fast with a revolver - closer to 10 seconds.

You could use the coathanger, and choke one of them, throw the ten pence piece down another's throat...You'll have two guns...

Not a likely scenario for me. I always have a Mauser M2 and four magazines of ammunition on me. Even in the bank.

So I would be armed. Since that's not in your scenario, I won't ruin it for you.

Theres no law about hanging about inside a bank with a firearm? :eek:

I would ask to join their gang so i could get a cut :)

not like the police here actually try to catch bank robbers :rolleyes:

Not a likely scenario for me. I always have a Mauser M2 and four magazines of ammunition on me. Even in the bank.

So I would be armed. Since that's not in your scenario, I won't ruin it for you.

I wanna grow up to be just like you. Only I would prefer the H&K MP5 made specially to be a suitcase, or ....uuh I dunno about handguns, been a long time since I've researched guns. Oh maybe a Smith&Wesson hand gun? A friend of mine has one and I like it.

If you take into consideration that in the modern world of (sic) gun control, most criminals (and probably more so bank robbers because hell, it is a bank) do not fully take into consideration armed civilians. They wouldn't be going in their expecting resistance they would expect people to scream and cringe and the workers to cooperate out of pure terror. However, the mind of any bank robber is never at ease, stress and nerves take a heavy hit on their alertness. Also, only one of the three would be taking care of the crowd, the other two would be getting the money.

For the sake of the theoretical situation the watch man is the one to be garroted and disarmed (otherwise he would be the first to be shot), after that you get one free shot to kill one of the money handlers. This is where it gets iffie, once you take care of two the third man will do one of two things. One, freeze up from the realization that everything just went fuck-wire or two, keep moving and shoot back. A moving target is statistically more difficult to hit, in addition to that you now have someone actually shooting back so your mind is equally on self-preservation as it is on killing. Best case scenario you drop him out and out, worst case scenario he takes cover and puts a gun to the head of the bank manager who was helping him get money before you started shooting. Once the element of surprise is lost you now have a "fair" fire fight, it could go either way.

I would ask to join their gang so i could get a cut :)

not like the police here actually try to catch bank robbers :rolleyes:
That's a cool idea...

The cops are probably eating McDonalds.

Theres no law about hanging about inside a bank with a firearm? :eek:

Not in Virginia.

I wanna grow up to be just like you. Only I would prefer the H&K MP5 made specially to be a suitcase, or ....uuh I dunno about handguns, been a long time since I've researched guns. Oh maybe a Smith&Wesson hand gun? A friend of mine has one and I like it.

You watch too many movies.

You watch too many movies.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/stainlessk_0206/
http://www.vivisector.com/arsenal/shotgun.jpg
http://www.webley.co.uk/pics/saf201.jpg

The guns I take to my bank

Find duct tape of course

Find duct tape of course
How does that help?

http://www.sigarms.com/products/mauser.asp

I wear this one all the time.

http://www.sigarms.com/products/mauser.asp

I wear this one all the time.
Not bad

I would let out a mighty roar and charge at the robbers. They'd flee in terror from my wrath.
*watches robbers flee in terror*

Hey, it worked!

Find duct tape of course
Nah. I'd get hold of some pipes, a hand dryer, a toaster and a vat of liquid plutonium may not exist

How does that help?
That or a blowtorch....... how else can you build stuff out of scrap?

You watch too many movies.
Damn, I can't find the URL for that mp5, now you all think I am crazy. But in my drive to find the URL on the H&K site for that briefcase gun, I did find this pretty little gun:

http://************/5rg3k

That or a blowtorch....... how else can you build stuff out of scrap?
Oh, I see.

Not bad
Not as nice as a 1911, but it's very compact, and it's in 45 ACP.

Not as nice as a 1911, but it's very compact, and it's in 45 ACP.
*sigh*I have got ot rob a bank someday...

http://************/6uglu

fifth from the bottom, ok it isn't a briefcase gun, my memories were screwed, but still, that is not to bad.

*sigh*I have got ot rob a bank someday...
It's not hideously expensive, either. 550 dollars for mine. A good 1911 starts at about double that.

http://************/6uglu

fifth from the bottom, ok it isn't a briefcase gun, my memories were screwed, but still, that is not to bad.
Holy shi*, man, that gu is kick as*

*watches robbers flee in terror*

Hey, it worked!


Of course it did. I'm like a wild animal. (hairy, with an unpleasant odour) :)

It's not hideously expensive, either. 550 dollars for mine. A good 1911 starts at about double that.
I want an awesome gun...That is cheap...

Then, I'll have to buy the nice car for my escape...

Sums up to about $100,000.

How much would I steal from the bank?
$40,000,000

I think it's worth it. Now just to find a bank that has 40,000,000 dollars.

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Auto-Pistols/Ruger_P97.htm

What I carry now. Really not a bad piece.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/CustomFinishes.asp

What I want someday. NOT a compact firearm but after shooting it once...

(Brushed Chrome by the way.)

I must be a hippy I am very wary of any place that lets peops run around with semi automatic pistols. And thats coming from someone who owns quite a few guns, rifles mind you but still...

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Auto-Pistols/Ruger_P97.htm

What I carry now. Really not a bad piece.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/CustomFinishes.asp

What I want someday. NOT a compact firearm but after shooting it once...

(Brushed Chrome by the way.)
Just as long as you didn't consider any with gold plating. Such cheese I have never before witnessed.

I want an awesome gun...That is cheap...

Then, I'll have to buy the nice car for my escape...

Sums up to about $100,000.

How much would I steal from the bank?
$40,000,000

I think it's worth it. Now just to find a bank that has 40,000,000 dollars.

The problem in the US is that the average take from a bank robbery is around 3,000 dollars, and it usually includes a dye bomb and marked money.

What you need to do is become a metals trader.

I must be a hippy I am very wary of any place that lets peops run around with semi automatic pistols. And thats coming from someone who owns quite a few guns, rifles mind you but still...

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The same can be said for isreal as well, everyone runs around with assault weapons.

The big difference is that americans are really violent. If more yanks run around with guns you will see more gun play.

Canada has high gun ownership as well but not nearly the same rates. The big difference is when someone gets in a fist fight here no one (or at least very rarely) is going to pull out a pistol and shoot ya. Whereas in the states meh...

Remember if you want to quote a source trying to argue against my position dont use the CIA crime stats as the cia does not include ALL crime in its reports.

In isreal no one would use the weapon to shoot someone else or if it does occur its very rare. In the states you would have fuckers shooting people for tailgating....

Good link, I live in Alaska and I am one of the very FEW families up here who do not have firepower. The best my dad has is a B.B. gun..freaking hippy.
But I am actually more a proponent for knives, especially non-fixed blades. See in Alaska, as long as it is not a fixed blade you have the right to carry it at any age. So a twelve year old can carry a 10 inch blade that you have to flip out.

Guns are great and are made to kill those who can handle themselves physically. But guns also have laws, weight, and other crap around them.

Knives, you can carry on you a lot easier, never talk about them, never have anyone know about them, and easily flip one out when you are in trouble. Sure you need a lot more skill with a knife, but I would rather keep a knife on me then a gun.

I have a friend who keep his katana in the trunk of his miata heeheheh. I keep a 5 inch metal bar at the right of my bed and a short sword at the head of my bed.

The big difference is that americans are really violent. If more yanks run around with guns you will see more gun play.


Not true.

Here in Virginia, we are all allowed to carry guns openly. We can easily get a permit to carry concealed. And very few places are off limits to handguns.

We have a lot more guns than Maryland. And a lot more people. But we have half the violent crime that Maryland has (on a per 100,000 person basis).

About 60 percent less violent crime.

So you're wrong about Yanks. And there are studies that indicate (Kleck) that we defend ourselves 2.5 million times a year without killing anyone - but we use the gun to threaten the would-be criminal.

So you're wrong about Yanks.

Good link, I live in Alaska and I am one of the very FEW families up here who do not have firepower. The best my dad has is a B.B. gun..freaking hippy.
But I am actually more a proponent for knives, especially non-fixed blades. See in Alaska, as long as it is not a fixed blade you have the right to carry it at any age. So a twelve year old can carry a 10 inch blade that you have to flip out.

Guns are great and are made to kill those who can handle themselves physically. But guns also have laws, weight, and other crap around them.

Knives, you can carry on you a lot easier, never talk about them, never have anyone know about them, and easily flip one out when you are in trouble. Sure you need a lot more skill with a knife, but I would rather keepa knive on me then a gun.

I have a friend who keep his katana in the trunk of his miata heeheheh. I keep a 5 inch metal bar at the right of my bed and a short sword at the head of my bed.


huh? For what? Are viking raiders going to come and loot your town? boggles**

huh? For what? Are viking raiders going to come and loot your town? boggles**

I dunno, Alaskans like going hunting and crap. We are like the last place that is wild in U.S. ? But yeah the majority of my friends have guns, even this fat kid I hate. I can only think of two friends who do not have guns, or any protection at all.

Not true.

Here in Virginia, we are all allowed to carry guns openly. We can easily get a permit to carry concealed. And very few places are off limits to handguns.

We have a lot more guns than Maryland. And a lot more people. But we have half the violent crime that Maryland has (on a per 100,000 person basis).

About 60 percent less violent crime.

So you're wrong about Yanks. And there are studies that indicate (Kleck) that we defend ourselves 2.5 million times a year without killing anyone - but we use the gun to threaten the would-be criminal.

So you're wrong about Yanks.


Uh huh? So why all the gun related murders ~ robbery VS canada?

Less crime in canada maybe?

I dunno, Alaskans like going hunting and crap. We are like the last place that is wild in U.S. ? But yeah the majority of my friends have guns, even this fat kid I hate. I can only think of two friends who do not have guns, or any protection at all.

i live in alberta and hunt I have some rifles but I dont see any need to carry around a 9 inch knife in my car...

Uh huh? So why all the gun related murders ~ robbery VS canada?

Less crime in canada maybe?

Big Cities + strong gun control.

i live in alberta and hunt I have some rifles but I dont see any need to carry around a 9 inch knife in my car...

Heh, neither did I when my friend told me had his katana in his car. Especially since he was taught a martial art for 5+ years. But whatever, to each his own I geuss. Heck I would prefer keeping a 4 or 5 inch knife on my thigh...

Uh huh? So why all the gun related murders ~ robbery VS canada?

Less crime in canada maybe?

Lower overall population. Less population density. Different criminal culture. Lower rates of gun ownership and gun availability (even to criminals).

Here in the US, only 24% of violent crimes are committed with any weapon at all (including knives, bats, etc) (67% of murders are firearms). So most criminals aren't armed with firearms here.

Most of the risk factor associated with firearm death here in the US is strongly associated with drug use, possession, or sales - or being in an area where that takes place.

I think that penalties are also stiffer here, even for drug possession and minor crimes - that gives a criminal little incentive to do the least harm - he's going to go to jail for a long time in any case.

Stiffening sentences and waging a war on drugs only serves to criminalize a large sector of the population - and make them desperate.

Heh, neither did I when my friend told me had his katana in his car. Especially since he was taught a martial art for 5+ years. But whatever, to each his own I geuss. Heck I would prefer keeping a 4 or 5 inch knife on my thigh...

I own a small collection of swords and knives (large and small) and in all honesty I would only consider then for self defense as a last resort.

Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't

Lower overall population. Less population density. Different criminal culture. Lower rates of gun ownership and gun availability (even to criminals).

Here in the US, only 24% of violent crimes are committed with any weapon at all (including knives, bats, etc) (67% of murders are firearms). So most criminals aren't armed with firearms here.

Most of the risk factor associated with firearm death here in the US is strongly associated with drug use, possession, or sales - or being in an area where that takes place.

I think that penalties are also stiffer here, even for drug possession and minor crimes - that gives a criminal little incentive to do the least harm - he's going to go to jail for a long time in any case.

Stiffening sentences and waging a war on drugs only serves to criminalize a large sector of the population - and make them desperate.


By different criminal culture i would wager = a more violent society overall.

Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't

True, I know "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight." But in my life, I do not consider the chance of getting mugged and getting in a gunfight. Instead, when getting mugged if I had a knife I would have a higher chance of ending it. Of course a martial art skill would always work.

Heh, neither did I when my friend told me had his katana in his car. Especially since he was taught a martial art for 5+ years. But whatever, to each his own I geuss. Heck I would prefer keeping a 4 or 5 inch knife on my thigh...

At least in alaska you have a reason to be carrying around guns for all the wild beasties running around including tigers and evil orcas.

At least in alaska you have a reason to be carrying around guns for all the wild beasties running around including tigers and evil orcas.

uuuh....

Not a likely scenario for me. I always have a Mauser M2 and four magazines of ammunition on me. Even in the bank.

So I would be armed. Since that's not in your scenario, I won't ruin it for you.

Four magazines? What the hell do you need four magazines on you for? Considering how much you brag about being action man, why do you need more than one magazine?

At least in alaska you have a reason to be carrying around guns for all the wild beasties running around including tigers and evil orcas.


My God I hope that was sarcasm.

Anyway, South Central LA much at all?

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