NationStates Jolt Archive

This thread has been made to find out which political party most people are currently thinking of voting for in the next General election, whether this thread is an accurate sample of how the majority of people in the UK will actually vote remains to be seen.

liberal democrats

veritas





















just kidding...
lib dem

I will probably vote for the Common-Sense party, *ahem* i mean the Tories ;)

Any particular reason why they're in that order on the poll?

Conservatives, BTW.

If you wanted to go higher in a balloon, you'd want this monkey off your back.

Lib dem.

Conservatives would make too many cuts, and Labour have spent the last seven-and-a-half years choking everything with burocracy. Factor in to that both the big parties support for an illegal war, Labour's interference and money-wasting schemes, the Tories frankly ridiculous policies and flip-flopping, and I just can't stomach voting for either of them. In my area, the only parties with a real chance of winning are Tory and Lib dem, so Lib dem it is.

Labour

Any particular reason why they're in that order on the poll?

Conservatives, BTW.
No

I emmigrated rather than have to either abstain or vote for one of this motely collection.

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power

Tories. I'm not too keen on some of their social ideas, but I think they have the right idea regarding the economy. I want bureaucrats to leave my wallet alone.

I emmigrated rather than have to either abstain or vote for one of this motely collection.

Wise man. I'm planning on the same myself.

Nonetheless, I shall likely still be here when it comes to voting. Lib Dems are right out - they have some good ideas, but they have some atrocious ones as well, and their atrocious ones seem to become party policy quite easily.

Basically, it is between the Tories and Labour; I'm slightly more inclined to vote Labour, partly to support Blair's stance on Iraq, partly because I don't trust Howard not to bring in draconian immigration laws, and partly because I really don't think the Tories are any more for personal and economic freedom than Labour are.

*Sigh* we need a Libertarian party.

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power
You can thank Labours devolution of government for that, another great policy by TB. :headbang:

Basically, it is between the Tories and Labour; I'm slightly more inclined to vote Labour, partly to support Blair's stance on Iraq, partly because I don't trust Howard not to bring in draconian immigration laws, and partly because I really don't think the Tories are any more for personal and economic freedom than Labour are.

*Sigh* we need a Libertarian party.

If there was a British Libertarian Party I'd certainly vote for them. However, I disagree on you about the Tories, at least with regard to economic freedom. Traditionally they've been pro-business right-wingers, and they at least claim that their intent is smaller government and less tax. Of course, they're also traditionally more social authoritarian (although Labour's ID card threats make them contenders to the social authoritarianism throne). Still, I'm willing to elect the lesser of two evils.

You can thank Labours devolution of government for that, another great policy by TB. :headbang:
oh no, its been that way for a long time

i suppose they think there isnt much point as they arent going to get anything out of it because its going to be the same old parties people here will vote for

Other - Scottish Socialist Party (http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org)

I strongly support the Scottish Socialist Party since they are the only party which represents the working people of Scotland instead of a few wealthy business owners who are the only people benefitting from the far right fascist policies of New "Labour". The SSP currently has 6 seats in the Scottish Parliament and they will be standing in every Scottish constituency in the General Election and they have a chance of getting a few seats in working class areas where people feel particularly let down by Blair and his cronies.

If there was a British Libertarian Party I'd certainly vote for them. However, I disagree on you about the Tories, at least with regard to economic freedom. Traditionally they've been pro-business right-wingers, and they at least claim that their intent is smaller government and less tax. Of course, they're also traditionally more social authoritarian (although Labour's ID card threats make them contenders to the social authoritarianism throne). Still, I'm willing to elect the lesser of two evils.

Yes, this is true in what they say, but I don't know that they'd actually do it :p

Basically, it comes down to who I like and trust more; and that is Blair, by a hair's breadth. For now. I'll have to check out a lot more about both sides before making a final decision, of course.

You and I ought to form a BLP =P

Standing In The Back, Looking Stupid

Sorry I'm no Limey so can't tell as long as it isn't Blair.

Tories. I'm not too keen on some of their social ideas, but I think they have the right idea regarding the economy. I want bureaucrats to leave my wallet alone.

I can't quite remember their policies, but I was under the impression that the tories were planning to spend quite a lot of money on pensions or something similar.

The Tories hurt this country very badly, but we are slowly recovering. They are the ones to blame for many problems we have today.

If the Tories win I shall arm myself with a gun and kill them all.

I can't quite remember their policies, but I was under the impression that the tories were planning to spend quite a lot of money on pensions or something similar.
The tories don't know how to spend money.

I'm confused about the lib dems what are their policies? I've met loads of people who strongly support them, ask them for a policy of theirs... no idea what so ever. The only policies I know of are

Local income Tax-- Which makes many people pay more, Council tax was fine, no-body complained or rioted until Labour used it as a stealth Tax.

Legalise hash-- they can't because of UN commitments but "would like too" sounds like pandering to the populist view knowing they will never have to pick up the tab.

Disassemble Britain's Nuclear Deterent-- what will we use to kill the french if the world goes arse over tit?

The Euro-- Lets give our power over interest rates to the Bundesbank shall we otto? That won't lead to problems when some nations are in recession and some are not.

No ID cards-- Fair enough personally I don't care.

Equal Pensions for Men and Women-- Satistically Women live long then men so it stands to reason that a women's pension will have to last longer. An EU committy was set up to investigate this and make it "fair". As soon as the feminists found out an equality bill would meen they would have to pay more car insurance the bill was dropped, allegedly.

No war in Iraq-- Your a bit late I sugguest Charles Kennady should read the papers more.

The Tories hurt this country very badly, but we are slowly recovering. They are the ones to blame for many problems we have today.

If the Tories win I shall arm myself with a gun and kill them all.

What! It wasn't the tories who had a four day week for miners or turned the power off when the power workers striked. We need edMaggie Thatcher to sought out these issues that had ground British Industry into the dirt. The Tories may have delived the lethal injection but British Industry was crippled before they got to it. Won't to know who to blame, the Trades unions and Labour. A trade union's job is to care for its members not to run a country!

None of these wankers deserve my vote,
We laugh at danger and mock their rote.
So go ahead and feed their bloat,
Don't shake the sail, don't rock the boat.

The Tories hurt this country very badly, but we are slowly recovering. They are the ones to blame for many problems we have today.

If the Tories win I shall arm myself with a gun and kill them all.

I think this should be part of Tony Blairs election campaign. Don't vote conservative, or we have reason to suspect there will be a large increases in homicidal rampages.

I can't quite remember their policies, but I was under the impression that the tories were planning to spend quite a lot of money on pensions or something similar.

Yeah, they needed to buy old-people votes. I think they'd prefer to leave alone or cut pensions, but they gotta scab those votes.

Yeah, they needed to buy old-people votes. I think they'd prefer to leave alone or cut pensions, but they gotta scab those votes.

Your being very cynical here, of cause they want votes and pensioners want pensions isn't that the whole point of democracy?

Yeah, they needed to buy old-people votes. I think they'd prefer to leave alone or cut pensions, but they gotta scab those votes.

I find that particular policy rather worrying, especially considering the things I've heard recently about Britain's 'greying population'. I'm not sure it'll be sustainable, especially with the tax cuts that were proposed.

Your being very cynical here, of cause they want votes and pensioners want pensions isn't that the whole point of democracy?

Well in reality the Tories are very anti-spending. They want to cut down on spending and government regulation in pretty much all areas of society and economy. However, I guess they thought that not enough of the British populace wanted this, or that certain key groups weren't voting for them, so they had to appease them by promising to give them money.

Can't you see though that if your "politicians want votes/pensioners want money" thinking is applied to everybody, we get "politicians want votes/everybody wants money", and that really doesn't work. In order for government to give anything to anyone, it has to take it from someone else. Giving to one group is going to piss off another.

Your being very cynical here, of cause they want votes and pensioners want pensions isn't that the whole point of democracy?

Shameless vote-grabbing is the whole point of democracy?

Shameless vote-grabbing is the whole point of democracy?

yeah... democracy? Bah! I'll go for a benign dictatorship any day... or, more likely, a meritocracy - now that would be good to see! Just how to regulate it...

veritas



Aren't they they being forced to change their name?

Aren't they they being forced to change their name?

Yes, they're now the "Lieing Liars Who Tell Lies" party.

Hmm, I'm been reading the Monster Raving Loony Party's manifesto. I think their last manifesto was pretty sensible compared to this one...

clicky (http://www.omrlp.com/)


Some choice policies from the manifesto:

- Any cabinet minister found telling lies will be shot across the English Channel in a high velocity circus cannon to save time and first class travel expenses. Top British engineers will be employed to plot the correct trajectory. A European funded net will be set up strategically in front of the European parliament so that when the errant MP hits it, he or she will bounce through the second floor window where they will be handed champagne and canapé at a reception hosted by Leon Brittan and Peter Mandelson.

- Bright pupils will be provided with dimmer switches to prevent them distracting the rest of the class.

- The number 13 will be abolished due to its longstanding unpopularity. The bus to Acton North will now not have a number on it but not much else will be affected. Therefore if you see a bus with no number on it, it will be going to Acton North. Please remember this for future reference.

Hmm, I'm been reading the Monster Raving Loony Party's manifesto. I think their last manifesto was pretty sensible compared to this one...

clicky (http://www.omrlp.com/)
We will issue a 99p coin to save on change.

We feel that a £57,000 a year salary is quite ample for the average person to survive on and that the £118,000 expenses that MP’s also manage to wangle is far too much. The expenses money will in future be distributed to the poor and needy so that they can waste it instead.

Any student who says the word “Like” when not grammatically called for, as in, “Hey, I’m .. Like, going down the… like, pub”, or, “I was, like, don’t do that” will be made to go and stay with George Bush for a week in order to discourage them from other stupid ‘Americanisms’.

Portional Representation will be introduced in England. One vote, one Raffle Ticket.

Traffic wardens will be re-named Dick Turpin because, let’s face it, it’s daylight robbery.

...

sigh, you can tell the country is messed up since these make sense.

raving monster loony!!! :D

i mean how cool would a 99p coin be? which is the marjiwana party, i might vote for them.

Other - Scottish Socialist Party (http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org)

I strongly support the Scottish Socialist Party since they are the only party which represents the working people of Scotland instead of a few wealthy business owners who are the only people benefitting from the far right fascist policies of New "Labour". The SSP currently has 6 seats in the Scottish Parliament and they will be standing in every Scottish constituency in the General Election and they have a chance of getting a few seats in working class areas where people feel particularly let down by Blair and his cronies.

I agree the SSP are a great party. But i don't know if i will vote for them cause they beleive in independance for Scotland which i am opposed to. Anyway Socialists should be uniting people not dividing them up. As a Scot (although im no patriot by any means) and a Socialist, I can't stand when the SSP talk about independance. I dont want to have to take a passport to get to England!

Anyway i hope Lib Dems win in Scotland with a strong Socialist and Green opposition, and the Lib Dems win in England. Hopefully all right-wing f*cks like Tories, BNP, Veritas and Labour don't win anything and f*ck off so we can make Britain a good country.

which is the marjiwana party, i might vote for them.

The Scottish Socialist Party.

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power

seeing as we're on that issue how come scottish MP's get to vote on an issure in there parliment then get to go to westminister and vote on exactly the same issue when it only effects England and Wales and i might say make the vote go it Labours Favour and the oppositr way to which they voted in their own parliment (Top up fees)

Actually, the OMRLP are honestly my second choice. I fully support their policies on tapier legalization and mobile parliament.

yeah... democracy? Bah! I'll go for a benign dictatorship any day... or, more likely, a meritocracy - now that would be good to see! Just how to regulate it...

have a big circle of assasin organisations monitoring each other for corruption (members unknown to other organisations except the one monitering them) the when a member is detected as being corrupted issue a warning then wipeem out if they dont correct their ways

What?

The Lib Dems havent got a clue, their policies dont make sense. They are an insult to liberalism.

Labour did pretty well in their first term, but they've gone down a bit since. Blair i can respect, but the rest of the bunch are all bumbling ex-socialists in "New Labour" clothing. I cant wait for Labour to win this election so that taxes can go up in order for more money to be spent on useless bureaucracy or pumping up the public sector in order to keep the economy going.

Tories are almost as bad, they still havent got a clue (mostly because Blair has stolen most of their ideas). I wouldnt trust Howard as far as i can throw him but at least he seems to be getting the party back to being an effective opposition party with some decent ideas.

Hell, Monster Raving Looney party sound pretty damn good:

We will replace the House of Lords with the House of Cards, to make it easier for the Government to deal with.

Nice.

Green, can't vote for any of the others without losing my soul. :(

If I could, Monster Raving Loony Party, they seem like the sanest party out there.

I think this thread is a good example of just how liberal this website is compared to the population in general. :(

Personally i voted BNP, the only group given above that thinks outside the percieved liberal box.

I think this thread is a good example of just how liberal this website is compared to the population in general. :(

Personally i voted BNP, the only group given above that thinks outside the percieved liberal box.

The percieved liberal box of "let's not kill all immigrants"?

The percieved liberal box of "let's not kill all immigrants"?

:rolleyes:

The percieved liberal box of "if you dont agree with my politics you're a murderous swivel-eyed moronic lunatic who shouldnt be allowed to vote". And the bit about killing immigrants is idiotic.

:rolleyes:

The percieved liberal box of "if you dont agree with my politics you're a murderous swivel-eyed moronic lunatic who shouldnt be allowed to vote". And the bit about killing immigrants is idiotic.

I'm not very familiar with BNP policy. Could you inform me about it?

The Monster Raving Loony Party has the most sensible policies.

:rolleyes:

The percieved liberal box of "if you dont agree with my politics you're a murderous swivel-eyed moronic lunatic who shouldnt be allowed to vote". And the bit about killing immigrants is idiotic.

If that were true the lib dems would at least be in opposition.

And no, I do not consider Labour liberal. Somehow I cannot see a party that proposes legitslation and policies that Thatcherites and BNP supporters condemn on the grounds of being illiberal as a liberal party.

Lib Dems

Lets see - I have the choice of Labour, Lib Dem or conservative. I've met the labour and conservative representatives and debated with them a little (as in asked questions in a lecture hall of 100 people) and they both seem like idiots. So I'm probably going with the throw-away vote (LD)

i cannot see why one would want to vote tory, in an ideal world where every party had an even chance LD but in desparation to keep Howard out Labour (i know i am contradicting my own beliefs that one person can make a difference)

Chicken pi,
heres the link to their website. Browse it at your convenience.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/index.php

And no, I do not consider Labour liberal. Somehow I cannot see a party that proposes legitslation and policies that Thatcherites and BNP supporters condemn on the grounds of being illiberal as a liberal party.

Eh? You've got me on this one, what "illiberal" policies are the BNP and other right wing parties condemning the labour party for?

Chicken pi,
heres the link to their website. Browse it at your convenience.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/index.php

Thanks. It makes for interesting reading.

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power

Incorrect: the Tories and the Green Party both stand in Northern Ireland.

I think this thread is a good example of just how liberal this website is compared to the population in general. :(

Personally i voted BNP, the only group given above that thinks outside the percieved liberal box.


Being the only political party in the UK whose chairman has been convicted of inciting racial hatred does, I guess, qualify as thinking outside the 'perceived liberal box'.

"Bomber Cromwell's national animal is the fenian"

Eh? You've got me on this one, what "illiberal" policies are the BNP and other right wing parties condemning the labour party for?

The BNP denounced the ID card scheme.

Recently some high profile Tories in the Lords spoke out against the recent Terror Bill.

Both of these being Labour 'flagship' policies.

The BNP denounced the ID card scheme.

Recently some high profile Tories in the Lords spoke out against the recent Terror Bill.

Both of these being Labour 'flagship' policies.

Ah, gotcha. Both of those ideas go against many of the tenets of classical liberalism, which has quite a following among many nationalists and in the BNP. Liberal and liberals, in the sense i've been using in this thread, refer to modern liberalism, which is a completely different beast.

Chicken pi, no probs. :)

I'm going to vote lib-dem, even though there's not much point as I live in Lancashire, which is one of the most labour-friendly parts of the country, but the constituency I live in has a huge amount of retired social climber types, so we actually have a massive tory majority which will probably never change damnit!

I agree the SSP are a great party. But i don't know if i will vote for them cause they beleive in independance for Scotland which i am opposed to. Anyway Socialists should be uniting people not dividing them up. As a Scot (although im no patriot by any means) and a Socialist, I can't stand when the SSP talk about independance. I dont want to have to take a passport to get to England!

Anyway i hope Lib Dems win in Scotland with a strong Socialist and Green opposition, and the Lib Dems win in England. Hopefully all right-wing f*cks like Tories, BNP, Veritas and Labour don't win anything and f*ck off so we can make Britain a good country.

I understand how you feel about scottish nationalism and although the SSP do support independence they are an internationalist party and support working class unity. They also however feel that the rest of the UK has gone so far to the right that independence will be necessary to achieve Socialism in Scotland. It may be better to have a Socialist Britain but England is dominated by the middle classes and doesn't have a true Socialist opposition in the way Scotland does. I feel that the Lib Dems do not offer a radical alternative and it is unfortunately likely that is the Liberals are elected they will continue many of the right wing economic policies of New Labour and the Conservatives.
See: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=2526

Thanks. It makes for interesting reading.

Be careful never to be deceived by the BNP who are a bunch of Nazi thugs and criminals who deny the Holocaust and attack members of ethnic minorities. If they were elected they would create a Britain resembling Nazi Germany where all ethnic minorities would be deported or possibly murdered.

There are hundreds of links I can give you exposing the truth about the BNP including:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm
http://www.yre.org.uk/stop.html
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2003/297/index.html?id=pp4.htm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html

Be careful never to be deceived by the BNP who are a bunch of Nazi thugs and criminals who deny the Holocaust and attack members of ethnic minorities. If they were elected they would create a Britain resembling Nazi Germany where all ethnic minorities would be deported or possibly murdered.

-snip-


I didn't say that I agreed with their policies, or that I support the BNP in any way. I couldn't disagree more with the BNP.

However, it does make for interesting reading, as I said.

I didn't say that I agreed with their policies, or that I support the BNP in any way. I couldn't disagree more with the BNP.

However, it does make for interesting reading, as I said.

I'm sure you hate the BNP as much as anyone but I was pointing this out to someone who might read the BNP propaganda and could be deceived about the true nature of the party. I have read one of their Scottish manifestos and I don't think it mentions immigration once which is part of their attempt to appear more moderate to try to win votes. Behind this image however are the same old Nazis with the same old ideas straight from the third reich and if they were ever elected they are likely to start a Holocaust against ethnic minorities in this country.

Id' vote for SNP if I were British but I aint.

There are hundreds of links I can give you exposing the truth about the BNP including:

...

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp


Best to take anything Searchlight says with a considerable pinch of salt: they are pushing an agenda of their own: they are not above fabrications, misrepresentation and even setting up people.

This is not to say I trust the BNP - far from it - but rather to say I don't trust the government informers behind Searchlight either.

I'm not British, but American. However, I'd vote in the Tories. I detest what Labor has done, and especially loath Tony Blair.

Be careful never to be deceived by the BNP who are a bunch of Nazi thugs and criminals who deny the Holocaust and attack members of ethnic minorities. If they were elected they would create a Britain resembling Nazi Germany where all ethnic minorities would be deported or possibly murdered.

There are hundreds of links I can give you exposing the truth about the BNP including:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm
http://www.yre.org.uk/stop.html
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2003/297/index.html?id=pp4.htm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html
Why do Brits always bring these guys up? They hold very few public offices, are not very large outside of a few very small bases, and have almost no power. Are you afraid of these guys for some reason?

Labour,

Firstly, Gordon Brown is an economic genius, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks.

Second, I wouldn't vote for a right-wing party like under the Tories. Doesn't anyone remember what happened under the Thatcherite government? How she CRASHED the economy. The useless %$$%%$! Michael Howard was in her cabinet too I recall!

Also, the Tories are currently one step away from becoming the NSDAP. They already had a relentless, brain-less, ranting bully for a spokesman. NOW they're victimising small minority groups to grab voters. It's low, and I hope the public don't stand for it. (It's also ironic, as Howard was part of the body who passed legislation leading travellers to be where they are now.)

Lastly, I wouldn't vote for ''ze blood-serking'' Tories if I was paid a million quid! It galls me when Tory supporters feel the need to announce the fact. Half the time, they're twits who are voting fundamentely for THEIR PERSON. THEMSLEVES. Not their Neighbour. Not poor people. Not homeless people or single mums/dads, and not students that can't afford their education. (And usually, It's not like most Tory supporters would exactly suffer under Labour/Lib dems by voting for them, It's just that they seem to just give first priority about themselves.)

Under Labour, or even the Lib Dems, Britain remains a true welfare state. I hope it stays that way.


[Grr. I just got wound up again by the GP! Sorry folks!]

Why do Brits always bring these guys up? They hold very few public offices, are not very large outside of a few very small bases, and have almost no power. Are you afraid of these guys for some reason?

After we saw first hand what Hitler did, yeah, we're pretty scared. Especially knowing how easy is to to galvananise people with fearmongering and scapegoating. The rest of the world should be too, because we can't actually stop them, being a free society and all.

The BNP getting elected is like the KKK getting elected, would be the most obvious comparison I guess. They're very happy to use anything they can to make a noise, and furthermore they will pretend THEY are the victims when their hateful rhetoric is rightly condemned.

Lastly, I wouldn't vote for ''ze blood-serking'' Tories if I was paid a million quid!

Well yeah, but under the Lib Dems you'd only get about £30 of that in the end, and maybe only £200 with Labour.

Well yeah, but under the Lib Dems you'd only get about £30 of that in the end, and maybe only £200 with Labour.


Whilst ideologically, with the Tories it would all be taxed away WITH added interest for me to pay THEM?

Oh, and can someone tell me how the Torys are going to PAY for all these increased pensions scemes and funding, while cutting taxes-and also there whole 'Cut ** millions from goverment buracracy' is bullshit. Addmittedly theres two much red tape but 35(I think thats the figure) million won't cover Tax Cuts and incresed spending.

Oh, and I love the way Howard is trying to victimise Gypsies and just about anyone else in his way.

And 'How hard is it to keep a Hospital clean?' Mr Howard? Why don't you find out, we should give you a week doing a hospital cleaners job for there pa. See how he likes it.

I'm confused about the lib dems what are their policies? I've met loads of people who strongly support them, ask them for a policy of theirs... no idea what so ever. The only policies I know of are

Local income Tax-- Which makes many people pay more, Council tax was fine, no-body complained or rioted until Labour used it as a stealth Tax.
Bollocks. How can it possibly be fair to tax people on the basis of the value of their house? I live in Devon. A low-income area with one of the highest council taxes in the country. The local council set the tax, not Tony Blair, so he never used it as a stealth tax (I'm no Blair supporter, though).

Some people have lived in their houses all their lives, and now are pensioners, often living on their own, who find their house is worth a fortune because some twats from London are buying up all the surrounding houses as holiday homes (which, incidentally, forces many people out of the area in which they grew up). They then have to pay a huge tax off their meagre pension.

Then some young professionals down the road are sharing a house. They earn three times as much (each) as the pensioner, and get to split the same tax between them.

How is that fair? Yes, the professionals would pay more now under a local income tax, but it would simply be a fairer system. The fact is that the current system is very unfair, may people pay too little, and many people pay far too much, because it's not currently based on ability to pay.

Legalise hash-- they can't because of UN commitments but "would like too" sounds like pandering to the populist view knowing they will never have to pick up the tab.

Not a stated Lib Dem policy. Many within the party would support it though.

Disassemble Britain's Nuclear Deterent-- what will we use to kill the french if the world goes arse over tit?

I think I'll just leave this one. I will point out though, just how many countries don't have nuclear weapons, yet still they don't get regular nuclear attacks on their soil. No one would use a nuclear weapon, if they've got any sense, and if they're nuts, then no deterrent would put them off.[/quote]

The Euro-- Lets give our power over interest rates to the Bundesbank shall we otto? That won't lead to problems when some nations are in recession and some are not.

What, because there's currently no massive economic gap between London and the rest of the country?

No ID cards-- Fair enough personally I don't care.

I'd sooner not have them. It won't stop people risking their lives for a better life.

Equal Pensions for Men and Women-- Satistically Women live long then men so it stands to reason that a women's pension will have to last longer. An EU committy was set up to investigate this and make it "fair". As soon as the feminists found out an equality bill would meen they would have to pay more car insurance the bill was dropped, allegedly.

No war in Iraq-- Your a bit late I suggest Charles Kennady should read the papers more.

What, you can't take a stand after the event? And I'll think you'll find the war isn't over yet.

Why do Brits always bring these guys up? They hold very few public offices, are not very large outside of a few very small bases, and have almost no power. Are you afraid of these guys for some reason?
Maybe, but it shows what kind of nation we are when we vote for them, doesn't it?

And the Tories have started nicking a few BNP policies, allegedly to "bring these issues into the mainstream, and stop the extremists dominating the debate". Oh, that'll help, Michael. Let's just burn all gypsies and asylum seekers, shall we?

Why do Brits always bring these guys up? They hold very few public offices, are not very large outside of a few very small bases, and have almost no power. Are you afraid of these guys for some reason?

Their ideology is dangerous, and they're following in the footsteps of many oppressive regimes by playing on people's fears and prejudices to get votes. It's worth keeping an eye on them.

monster raving loonies!

Second, I wouldn't vote for a right-wing party like under the Tories.

Um, Labour are just the same as the Tories used to be. They've stolen the centre-right ground, which is why the Tories have moved so far over to the right. They're very pro-business, and have continually pushed failing PPP schemes. The Labour party are continuing to erode the welfare state - so no, the welfare state is not safe under them.

My NHS dentist just went private, and I don't have a hope in Hades of finding another NHS dentist to treat me. I wonder what, if anything, any of the major parties plan to do about this? Why should we pay taxes to fund dental treatment we can't access? That’s just one of many things that I’d actually be interested in hearing party views on.

I don't give a toss if the Tories think that the Labour campaign posters are anti-Semitic, they're blatantly not intended that way. I don't care if Michael Howard thinks his attacks have got Labour "rattled", when all they've managed to prove is that neither main party is above childish name-calling and misrepresenting issues and twisting facts for their own political gain (and to gain a cheap five-minutes in the limelight). I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT ACTUAL RELEVENT ISSUES, DANGIT!!




*breathes*

Be careful never to be deceived by the BNP who are a bunch of Nazi thugs and criminals who deny the Holocaust and attack members of ethnic minorities. If they were elected they would create a Britain resembling Nazi Germany where all ethnic minorities would be deported or possibly murdered.

There are hundreds of links I can give you exposing the truth about the BNP including:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm
http://www.yre.org.uk/stop.html
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2003/297/index.html?id=pp4.htm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,687941,00.html
Quite frankly no one cares about scotland its the just the north of england... ill let you whinge about that one when im done though, and the sites your giving even without looking at them... the BBC (HA state run propaganda) searchlight (Communist propaganda) and the guardian more multi-cultural
crap anyway, im niether a nazi or a thug but id still vote for the BNP, obviously none of the other parties are going to do anything about the immagration problem btw europaland your not white are you? :P well most of the native population is fed up with the crap being dumped on our doorstep, not that you'd notice up there in the north of england.
Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british? wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english Farq that! how dare you lefty commy bbc west-indian/pakistani/jamican pro-immagrant trash force your unwanted unwelcome views down our throats every day well guess what the BNP are gonna be around for a long time and the bigger the problem gets.... the more powerful and dangerous they'll become so why dont you just vote for them now, scare the crap out of the tories/labour so they sort out the problems they're ignoring

*snip*

You sound so misinformed it's not even funny.

crap anyway, im niether a nazi or a thug but id still vote for the BNP, obviously none of the other parties are going to do anything about the immagration problem btw europaland your not white are you? :P well most of the native population is fed up with the crap being dumped on our doorstep, not that you'd notice up there in the north of england.
Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british? wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english Farq that! how dare you lefty commy bbc west-indian/pakistani/jamican pro-immagrant trash force your unwanted unwelcome views down our throats every day well guess what the BNP are gonna be around for a long time and the bigger the problem gets.... the more powerful and dangerous they'll become so why dont you just vote for them now, scare the crap out of the tories/labour so they sort out the problems they're ignoring

:rolleyes: Hence why no one votes for the BNP

Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british? wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english

Actually, I've never been forced to call myself British. I've never been met with any form of disapproval for calling myself English. I doubt you have, either.


And the BBC is not "state run propaganda". Their funding comes from license fees, as you well know.

Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british?

I call myself British out of choice thanks. Why? Because thats exactly what I am.

I call myself British out of choice thanks. Why? Because thats exactly what I am.

Exactly. Me too. British is the word that best describes what I am (I have English, Scottish and Welsh roots). So that's what I call myself.

I've never seen or heard anyone forced to call themselves British rather than English.

Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.

*shakes fist*

Damn those socialist commie BNP members...

Exactly. Me too. British is the word that best describes what I am (I have English, Scottish and Welsh roots). So that's what I call myself.

I've never seen or heard anyone forced to call themselves British rather than English.

Exactly why I do it too. Of course I will specify if need be, but I see it as a matter of personal preference TBH. As into being forced to call yourself British, hmmmmm something tells me he might be trolling ;) :D

Quite frankly no one cares about scotland its the just the north of england... ill let you whinge about that one when im done though, and the sites your giving even without looking at them... the BBC (HA state run propaganda) searchlight (Communist propaganda) and the guardian more multi-cultural
crap anyway, im niether a nazi or a thug but id still vote for the BNP, obviously none of the other parties are going to do anything about the immagration problem btw europaland your not white are you? :P well most of the native population is fed up with the crap being dumped on our doorstep, not that you'd notice up there in the north of england.
Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british? wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english Farq that! how dare you lefty commy bbc west-indian/pakistani/jamican pro-immagrant trash force your unwanted unwelcome views down our throats every day well guess what the BNP are gonna be around for a long time and the bigger the problem gets.... the more powerful and dangerous they'll become so why dont you just vote for them now, scare the crap out of the tories/labour so they sort out the problems they're ignoring
So your NOT a Nazi?

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/9096/bliar7wv.jpg

Says it all really...

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/9096/bliar7wv.jpg

Says it all really...
Who are you voting for then?

I want to vote for the looneys, but i cant in good concionce throw away a vote that should go to the lib dems.

Um, Labour are just the same as the Tories used to be. They've stolen the centre-right ground, which is why the Tories have moved so far over to the right. They're very pro-business, and have continually pushed failing PPP schemes. The Labour party are continuing to erode the welfare state - so no, the welfare state is not safe under them.

I shall now piss myself laughing.
Labour aren't the same as they used to be (sadly) but they are still very different and much better than the Tories.

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/9096/bliar7wv.jpg

Says it all really...

GODDAMNIT! STOP FUCKING LIKENING BUSH AND BLAIR TO HILTER AND STALIN! Do you people have any remotest concept of what dictatorship and totalitarianism is? Do you have any idea how insulting it is to the people who suffered until various dictators to be told their leaders were no worse than our current, western, democratic, legally elected leaders? Do you have any idea about anything? Here's some help for you: In a dictatorship, whoever made that = dead/prison camp. You're off the same way for posting it. I'm off the same way for not reporting it.

Christ Almighty...

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/9096/bliar7wv.jpg

Says it all really...

So you're going to use one single issue to decide who to vote for?
That is both selfish and stupid.





Out of all the parties Labour are the only one worth voting for.

1. They have a chance of winning
2. They provide good public services
3. They protect us from the Tories

I'd like it if the Socialist Party got into power, but I can't see that happening any time soon. The problem is with the British public, they want more spending on public services but they complain if taxes go up to raise money for spending. Also most of those people don't have an opinion of their own, they just pick one from the newspapers.


If newspapers and news broadcasters only reported the truth we would never have to suffer under a Conservative government again. But sadly they never will.

PurpleMouse
So you're going to use one single issue to decide who to vote for?
That is both selfish and stupid.


Where does it indicate that I'm going to vote on the basis of a single issue ?

Regardless, many / most floating voters are ultimately swayed by single issue campaigns; I suspect Iraq will feature heavily in the run up to the general election.

In addition, taking the country to war on the basis of sketchy intelligence whilst promoting it to be something rather more than that is a pretty major issue for a lot of people.

Finally, don't you feel that your suggestion that the majority of the electorate take their opionions from newspapers is just a little condescending ?

Aust
Who are you voting for then?


I haven't decided yet, but certainly not Labour. Given that they took power in '97 partially on the basis of honesty and integrity against a background of Tory sleaze they have gone on to become one of the most dishonest goverments in living memory; I'm thinking here of individuals like Hoon, Mandelson, Byers et al rather than the parliamentary Labour party as a whole.

In the previous three general elections I've voted Tory but now live in a part of Wales where Plaid Cymru will be returned by a large majority; they could field a donkey as a candidate and still be returned.

Having read through thir manifesto and looked at the recent actions of my MP I may well end up voting Plaid too.

edit: spelling mistake

Out of all the parties Labour are the only one worth voting for.

1. They have a chance of winning
2. They provide good public services
3. They protect us from the Tories


Er, hang on a minute. So 1. is almost definitely true, but
2. They privatise everything that they can get away with, which has disasterous consequences, whether it's direct like the trains of through PFIs.
3. What's the point of being protected from the Tories if we're not protected from Tory policies? The Tories keep trying to move right, but Blair just adopts whatever they say.


I'd like it if the Socialist Party got into power, but I can't see that happening any time soon. The problem is with the British public, they want more spending on public services but they complain if taxes go up to raise money for spending. Also most of those people don't have an opinion of their own, they just pick one from the newspapers.


If newspapers and news broadcasters only reported the truth we would never have to suffer under a Conservative government again. But sadly they never will.

Well, I think that we have a Conservative government now, which is why I'll be campaigning for a Socialist Party vote in the election. Not that a small party can win at this stage, but it can play a role in creating support for socialist ideas.

fascist vote is alarmingly high, although rather lower than it was in the last UK election thread i saw about 3 months ago

Fascist voting in the UK is very low compared to most other places wierdly.

crap anyway, im niether a nazi or a thug

You know, I might be somewhat more inclined to believe you here if you didn't have a link to www.skrewdriver.net (featuring a communique from Combat 18) set as your home page.

Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british?

The fact that the Irish are a separate nation has evaded your notice?

Ever notice how the english can all themselves english if they want, and I do? And lots of other people do, according to the recent "british people what nationality do you think you are?" thread?

Ever notice how fascists tell stupid lies in order to get even more stupid people to agree with them?

Isn't it lovely that we english can now display our national flag for sporting events etc without getting mistaken for fascist thugs? It has taken a long time to recover from the early 70s and I'm glad we're doing it.

And I'm prepared to actually fight to keep it that way.

Jeez...all those LDs on this forum :eek:
Liberalism is ok in principle. I just don't think it'll work.
(Have the LDs ever won since they changed from being 'Whigs'?)

Edit: hooray for the Turkish St.George cross \o/ Ironic I bought a Scotland t-shirt the other year for the simple reason they made it out of better cotton than the England t-shirt :(

GODDAMNIT! STOP FUCKING LIKENING BUSH AND BLAIR TO HILTER AND STALIN! Do you people have any remotest concept of what dictatorship and totalitarianism is? Do you have any idea how insulting it is to the people who suffered until various dictators to be told their leaders were no worse than our current, western, democratic, legally elected leaders? Do you have any idea about anything? Here's some help for you: In a dictatorship, whoever made that = dead/prison camp. You're off the same way for posting it. I'm off the same way for not reporting it.

Christ Almighty...

While I agree that the comparison is over the top, your reaction is also over the top.

1. Freedom of speech and opinion. People can compare Bush and Blair to Hitler and Stalin. Stopping them from doing so would be authoratarian. It is an essential part of the Western democratic system that people are permitted to do this.

2. Hitler was a democratically elected leader of a western state when he came to power. The comparison may not be as invalid as you seem to want to say. When there is ideological propaganda being paid for by taxpayers combined with restriction of liberties through the enactment of prohibitive laws, as is happening in the USA, then you may be on a slippery slope toward totalitarianism. Is it not good to point this risk out?

You are right that the current situation is not a totalitarian one. You are wrong if you are saying that people should not be worried about it becoming one.

(Have the LDs ever won since they changed from being 'Whigs'?)

Yup, the Whigs became the Liberals over a period of time in the between 1868 and the mid 1870's, mostly under the leadership of former conservative MP William Gladstone. Although the party was formed on 6 June 1859.

Gladstone held the office of PM 4 times until shortly before his death in 1895 (i'm pretty sure).

They then remained out of office until 1906 and then remained in power until 1915.

linky (http://www.liberalhistory.org.uk/record.jsp?type=page&ID=7&image=history)

After that they collapsed and where replaced by labour as the elasing oppersition party.

Hitler was a democratically elected leader of a western state when he came to power. The comparison may not be as invalid as you seem to want to say. When there is ideological propaganda being paid for by taxpayers combined with restriction of liberties through the enactment of prohibitive laws, as is happening in the USA, then you may be on a slippery slope toward totalitarianism. Is it not good to point this risk out?

You are right that the current situation is not a totalitarian one. You are wrong if you are saying that people should not be worried about it becoming one.

Very eloquently put.

*applauds*

The Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Bill recently passed in the UK is a perfect example of this - in it's original form it would have allowed the state to detain individuals under permanent house arrest without any proof of intent to commit a crime, provided the Home Secretary - a politician - was satisfied that said individual was a threat to the state.

After that they collapsed and where replaced by labour as the elasing oppersition party.

Since which they have barely won a cookie :D

Sadly I'll be five days too young for this election, but if I were able to vote, I'd mark a cross in the box labelled Lib Dem.

This thread has been made to find out which political party most people are currently thinking of voting for in the next General election, whether this thread is an accurate sample of how the majority of people in the UK will actually vote remains to be seen.

Well, I took part although I have no right to vote in British elections - but I'm pretty sure I would vote for UKIP. I sent them a congratulations-e-mail after the elections to the European Parliament, and I'm sorry that in Germany we have no relevant party that stands versus the European Union.
Although, the system of GB does not prefer the small parties - maybe I also would vote Conservative.

I have never heard of parties like "Veritas" or "Respect" - new parties or 0,5%-parties?

Since which they have barely won a cookie :D
There coming back-hopefully.

There coming back-hopefully.

I hope so, don't think they will win, but a term as the proper opposition might make things interesting, if they have the backbone for it then I want to give them a chance, hence the, getting my vote. Of course it will make sod all difference in my local area, but still, if more people do it the better chance we have.

I have never heard of parties like "Veritas" or "Respect" - new parties or 0,5%-parties?

Well if they get a seat it will be a suprise, so to you they are 0,5% parties.

I feel that the Lib Dems do not offer a radical alternative and it is unfortunately likely that is the Liberals are elected they will continue many of the right wing economic policies of New Labour and the Conservatives.
See: http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=2526

I totally agree. I know that the Lib Dems would never do anything too radical as they are not lef-wing by any means. But as the SSP will never gain a big slice of the votes, the Lib Dems are (i hate to use their own slogan but) the real alternative to Labour. The Lib Dems do have some good policies that need to be introduced if we want to move towards a more socialist society. But i beleive that they do not go far enough. For example they want the richest 1% of the population to pay 50% tax on that part of their income over £100,000 per year. Its not far enough but its a small step in the right direction.

I totally agree. I know that the Lib Dems would never do anything too radical as they are not lef-wing by any means. But as the SSP will never gain a big slice of the votes, the Lib Dems are (i hate to use their own slogan but) the real alternative to Labour. The Lib Dems do have some good policies that need to be introduced if we want to move towards a more socialist society. But i beleive that they do not go far enough. For example they want the richest 1% of the population to pay 50% tax on that part of their income over £100,000 per year. Its not far enough but its a small step in the right direction.
Yes, but if they went to radical they'd never get in.

Well if they get a seat it will be a suprise, so to you they are 0,5% parties.

Ah, thank you; well, normally I don't care when I go to vote how strong the parties are expected to be. If I agree with a party, I don't care if it get's seats or not.

It apperas that the Lib Dems are well represented here.
I for one will be voting for them, myself.

But does anyone truely believe that the people having voted on here represent an accurate cross-section of our population or are we just idealists? ;)

It apperas that the Lib Dems are well represented here.
I for one will be voting for them, myself.

But does anyone truely believe that the people having voted on here represent an accurate cross-section of our population or are we just idealists? ;)

Given that the most recent Mori opinion poll gives Labour 39%, Conservatives 37% and Lib Dems 18% it would appear that the voting trend of the forum does not necessarily reflect a true cross section of our society.


Source (http://www.mori.com/election2005/index.shtml)

Monster Raving Loony Party!

...as there wasn't an 'autocratic monarchy' option.

It apperas that the Lib Dems are well represented here.
I for one will be voting for them, myself.

But does anyone truely believe that the people having voted on here represent an accurate cross-section of our population or are we just idealists? ;)
NS is not an acurate cross section. As most of the 'casual voters' don't come on here, just people who care about polotics.

Incidentally, Brits on the forum with an interest in UK politics might find the following website interesting / useful:

TheyWorkForYou.com (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/)

Based off information in Hansard, it allows you to see how your local MP has voted on various issues, their recent appearances in Parliament and so forth.

It also contains transcripts on recent debates, ministerial answers to questions etc... thoroughly recommended.

Personally I doubt I'll be voting Labour, but I'm not sure which party to vote for.

Why? Iraq.

Not because I was against the war, if I was against it but the majority was for it then I'd shrug my shoulders and say *ah well, majority rule" However, the fact that the biggest demonstration ever held in britain was held against it and the man who is supposed to represent the British people just ignored it means I can't honestly trust the man enough to help keep him in power.

On the other hand, I don't plan to vote for another party "because they're not Labour". I'll be looking into which parties I feel represent me best before voting

EDIT: Sorry forgot to add. It'll also depend on the new terror bill that's being put through and how that turns out

Lib Dem

Well, I took part although I have no right to vote in British elections - but I'm pretty sure I would vote for UKIP. I sent them a congratulations-e-mail after the elections to the European Parliament, and I'm sorry that in Germany we have no relevant party that stands versus the European Union.
Although, the system of GB does not prefer the small parties - maybe I also would vote Conservative.

I have never heard of parties like "Veritas" or "Respect" - new parties or 0,5%-parties?

Wouldn't it be funny if loads of disaffected disenfranchised anti-europe Germans moved to the UK and voted UKIP?

I'd laugh anyway.

The fact that the Irish are a separate nation has evaded your notice?

Um, partially true, there are actually, from an American's point of view, two Irelands - Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK and technically does not constitute a "separate nation"; and the Republic of Ireland, which is, as you rightfully pointed out, a "separate nation" with its own problems.

Seeing that I am an American, and except for occasional reports by the BBC I'm left in the dark when it comes down to British politics. What do each of these parties stand for anyway?

well. im shocked to see that some people said bnp. i frankly cant see why anyone wouldnt vote green. they arent nearly as liberal or left as i would like, but they stand more chance than the other left wing parties (remember, conservative lite formally called labour, arent left wing. nor have they been for a while). they are nice to foreigners, they are nice to british people, they are nice to the environment, they are just generally the nicest party. if you want libertarians, this is, sadly, the nearest we are gonna get in the next few years, especially since the rise of the right.

what we need is electoral reform, to get proportional representation. that would be much fairer, and allow an actual representation of peoples views (even if that would mean fascist bnp might get a few MPs in. they can be ignored by the real politicians though, so it should be alright). it would stop tactical voting, as their would be no need. and to everyone who then bursts out with "but it leads to weak government!", the only criticism possible of proportional representation, i ask them to stop being so petty. so what if its weak? all that means is that party leaders dont say jump and we say how high. im not sure if the greens support this idea, though they probably do. what with being nice guys and all. and no, im not a green candidate, nor a relative. nor am i even allowed to vote yet. damn ageist government.

though, were i in london, i would vote SWP because of mark steel. what a guy. he has, in a very real sense, got my (future) vote (assuming i end up living "down south" in london).

vote green!

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power

Yes this is an outrage.

After we saw first hand what Hitler did, yeah, we're pretty scared. Especially knowing how easy is to to galvananise people with fearmongering and scapegoating. The rest of the world should be too, because we can't actually stop them, being a free society and all.

The BNP getting elected is like the KKK getting elected, would be the most obvious comparison I guess. They're very happy to use anything they can to make a noise, and furthermore they will pretend THEY are the victims when their hateful rhetoric is rightly condemned.

Could be. But I have my own theory.
In the 1930s, the nation had very strong fascist elements. Hitler tried to get a peace accord with Britain in WWII because he thought they might turn fascist. They didn't, but they were present. The Brits have been eager to sweep them under the rug, and forget about them. That is why Prince Harry's outfit choices are causing such an uproar in the UK: partially because they found it disrespectful, but mostly because it exposed a deep fascist streak in Britain's history. They don't want to open it, and that is why they fear the BNP. But all the elements are there. Tony Blair is as far left as the BNP is far right.

Quite frankly no one cares about scotland its the just the north of england... ill let you whinge about that one when im done though, and the sites your giving even without looking at them... the BBC (HA state run propaganda) searchlight (Communist propaganda) and the guardian more multi-cultural

You maybe don't care about Scotland but the Scottish people certainly don't care for the BNP which is why only around 1% of people ever vote for them. All the sites I listed are reasonably balanced and they are simply attempting to expose the BNP as the true Nazis they are which Nick Griffin is trying to hide because he knows that noone will vote for them if they know the truth.

crap anyway, im niether a nazi or a thug but id still vote for the BNP, obviously none of the other parties are going to do anything about the immagration problem btw europaland your not white are you? :P well most of the native population is fed up with the crap being dumped on our doorstep, not that you'd notice up there in the north of england.

You certainly sound like a Nazi with your hateful comments about ethnic minorities. There is no "immigration problem" and this is a myth spread by the far right tabloid press. Ethnic minorities have made a massive contribution to British society and it is a fact that our public services would collapse if they were suddenly to leave the country as the BNP would like to see. With the declining and ageing population in the future we will need many more immigrants to sustain the economy since fewer younger workers means that there are less people to be paying the taxes which are needed to fund social welfare. I do happen to be white but ethnicity doesn't matter to any decent person and as a Communist I believe all members of humanity are equal regardless of their race, religion, gender or sexuality.

Ever notice how the irish call themselves irish, the scots call themselves scottish, the welsh call themselves welsh and the english are forced into calling themselves british? wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english Farq that! how dare you lefty commy bbc west-indian/pakistani/jamican pro-immagrant trash force your unwanted unwelcome views down our throats every day well guess what the BNP are gonna be around for a long time and the bigger the problem gets.... the more powerful and dangerous they'll become so why dont you just vote for them now, scare the crap out of the tories/labour so they sort out the problems they're ignoring

There are many problems which the larger parties are ignoring but immigration is certainly not one of them as they are each trying to pander to people with the most despicable racist attitudes by pursuing extreme fascistic policies which will only further victimise the most disadvantaged within our society. The BNP will do nothing to address the most important issues such as increasing poverty and inequality and what they aim to do is to destroy working class solidarity by turning the workers against each other instead of against the common enemy of global capital which is what is to blame for all our problems. A better world can only be established through a radical Socialist programme which will unite all people in the fight for a democratic society which is run in the interests of humanity and not for a few multinational corporations or some tyrannical state.

Seeing that I am an American, and except for occasional reports by the BBC I'm left in the dark when it comes down to British politics. What do each of these parties stand for anyway?
Okay-
Labour-Center/Right, stand for anything they think popular

Conservitive-Right, stand for anything the Daily Mail or the Express thinks good.

Lib Dems-Center/left, the most left wing, pro-Europe, pritty liberal but not as liberal as some would like.

BNP-Nazis

greens-pro-enviroment

It's good to see the Tory campaign taking a deserved beating in my town.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2005/03/307186.jpg
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/03/307185.html

I'll be too young to vote, not that I particularly care. I would never vote for any of the mainstream parties, it would completely sicken me. The only party I would consider voting for is UKIP, they're a single issue party and that issue is one that I agree with.

Wise man. I'm planning on the same myself.

Nonetheless, I shall likely still be here when it comes to voting. Lib Dems are right out - they have some good ideas, but they have some atrocious ones as well, and their atrocious ones seem to become party policy quite easily.

Basically, it is between the Tories and Labour; I'm slightly more inclined to vote Labour, partly to support Blair's stance on Iraq, partly because I don't trust Howard not to bring in draconian immigration laws, and partly because I really don't think the Tories are any more for personal and economic freedom than Labour are.

*Sigh* we need a Libertarian party.

So because there are problems in the home land, you run away? Hoew typical of modern society. Rather than turn around and fight for change (whichever change you believe in), you run to a slightly sunnier country in the hope that all these problems will evaporate and sort themselves out? If you are dissatisified with something then turn around and fight it. Fight it until you have no more strength left in your battered body. Thats the sort of person I will respect, no matter what part of the political specturm they adhere to. Not political cowards who abadon their country because of problems.

I myself will vote Conservative, the only party with sensible compromise views on Europe, taxation and immigration. An immigration cap does need to be imposed before it runs out of control (which it is already doing under Labour). We need to shy away from Europe's attempt to gain legislative union while maintaining the trade and defensive benefits of the EU. Also the Tories are looking at repealing the absurd and counter productive Human Rights Act, the terribly sour fruit that legislative union with Europe brings. Finally the Tories will protect the constitutional staus quo and not attempt ridiculous reforms of the House of Lords or of the office of Lord Chancellor. The House of Lords is a voice of common sense and good ideas in the maelstorm of Labour folly.

As to the result of the election I think Labour will still win. However the Conservative campaign is scoring victory after victory at the moment: Labours two advertising campaigns (the one portraying the Conservatives as pigs and the other claiming falsely that the Conservatives will cut £35 million from public spending) have been blasted out of the water, the Tory plans on immigration were generally well received and the Tory attacks on crime and the NHS were largely effective in the eyes of the general public. If they carry on at this rate, I believe they should be able to produce a hung parliament with the Lib Dems forming the balance of power. The Lib Dems are a poor choice of party - they have no experience of government so none of their policies have been tested since the 1920s, their leader is a fool and their taxation policies are simply renaming the Council Tax and the claiming to have abolished it. Personally I find that the good ideals of Gladstonian liberalism and the poor principles of democratic socialism don't mix - the Liberals would be better going it alone.

wtf is with that it carries undertones of being racist if your english Farq that! Actually, I think the undertones of racism are carried in statements like "how dare you lefty commy bbc west-indian/pakistani/jamican pro-immagrant trash force your unwanted unwelcome views down our throats every day". Being english is just where you're born.

I'll be too young to vote, not that I particularly care. I would never vote for any of the mainstream parties, it would completely sicken me. The only party I would consider voting for is UKIP, they're a single issue party and that issue is one that I agree with.So you don't care if they privatise the NHS and all schools, cut taxes to 10%, raise pension age to 80 and cut welfare to nothing to fund export credits? I've no idea whether or not they'd want to do any of these things, but I suspect you haven't either. I can't understand why anyone would vote for a single issue party. There's no such thing as a single issue government.

It's good to see the Tory campaign taking a deserved beating in my town.


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/03/307185.html
Wasn't that originally done in London?

Wasn't that originally done in London?

Hooray for Londoners too, then!

It's good to see the Tory campaign taking a deserved beating in my town.


http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/03/307185.html


And great to see that the good burghers of my home town still haven't learned to spell the name of the place where they live.

And great to see that the good burghers of my home town still haven't learned to spell the name of the place where they live.

Innit. :D

Conservatives, BTW.
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72
Is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture?

Is it just me or is there something wrong with this picture?

The political compass is about as accurate when pinpointing political allignment as a blind man is when throwing a stone at a bird.

The political compass is about as accurate when pinpointing political allignment as a blind man is when throwing a stone at a bird.
It pinpointed my alignment accurately enough. And the alignment of most people I know, too.

Im scared by the liberal support there seems to be on this forum, if the democrats get into power then this country will go to hell in a hand cart. :(

Im scared by the liberal support there seems to be on this forum, if the democrats get into power then this country will go to hell in a hand cart. :(

yes, imagine being guided by the principles of "freedom" and "democracy". What kind of a nation would we turn into?

yes, imagine being guided by the principles of "freedom" and "democracy". What kind of a nation would we turn into?
Or how about lilly livered Socialist policies that benefit crinimals and punish victims. The Liberalism we have had to put up with under labour is bad enough.

Im scared by the liberal support there seems to be on this forum, if the democrats get into power then this country will go to hell in a hand cart. :(

I'm just wondering, have you looked at the various party manifestos?

It pinpointed my alignment accurately enough. And the alignment of most people I know, too.

it got me, middle of the bottom left hand quadrant.

Or how about lilly livered Socialist policies that benefit crinimals and punish victims. The Liberalism we have had to put up with under labour is bad enough.such as?

And great to see that the good burghers of my home town still haven't learned to spell the name of the place where they live.

Nice, a fellow Manc!

Nice, a fellow Manc!but not actually from longsight

but not actually from longsight

Lucky you! :D

Lucky you! :D
You a Manc too?

Wow, there seem to be as many Manc's as Anarchists, if only they were the same people :p

Wow, there seem to be as many Manc's as Anarchists, if only they were the same people :p

*raises eyebrow*

Or how about lilly livered Socialist policies that benefit crinimals and punish victims. The Liberalism we have had to put up with under labour is bad enough.
What would you prefer then, I've never actually seen you state what you want.

*raises eyebrow*
"One swallow does not make a summer" (Well, two in this case.)

You a Manc too?

Wow, there seem to be as many Manc's as Anarchists, if only they were the same people :p

Yeah. Was born in hazel grove, which is technically Greater Manchester...and now I live close by there so.

I'm from Yorkshire I feel left out

45 votes for the Lib Dems! what the hell for?

Okay-
Labour-Center/Right, stand for anything they think popular

Conservitive-Right, stand for anything the Daily Mail or the Express thinks good.

Lib Dems-Center/left, the most left wing, pro-Europe, pritty liberal but not as liberal as some would like.

BNP-Nazis

greens-pro-enviroment

You got Labour and the Tories very wrong.

Labour want to keep some public services (health, education, police) and they spend a lot of money on them and have made them greatly better.

The Tories want to privatise all the public services, they want to go back to a time where the peasants were worked to death for the benefit of the rich.

Er, hang on a minute. So 1. is almost definitely true, but
2. They privatise everything that they can get away with, which has disasterous consequences, whether it's direct like the trains of through PFIs.

You do know that the Conservatives privatised the Railways in 1994, don't you?

You got Labour and the Tories very wrong.

Labour want to keep some public services (health, education, police) and they spend a lot of money on them and have made them greatly better.

The Tories want to privatise all the public services, they want to go back to a time where the peasants were worked to death for the benefit of the rich.
Agreed. Labour is still (socially at least) left-wing...for the most part (anti-terrorism Bill excluded).

You got Labour and the Tories very wrong.

Labour want to keep some public services (health, education, police) and they spend a lot of money on them and have made them greatly better.

Well I think Police is a no brainer. To the best of my knowledge on European state is considering that.

For the other two, PFI or PPP ring any bells.

The Tories want to privatise all the public services, they want to go back to a time where the peasants were worked to death for the benefit of the rich.

Yes, that's right. The Conservatives are the Feudal party who are so reactionary they treat fire with mistrust.

However, explain to me if you will. How does privatising public services equal a feudal social heirarchy?

I wasn't saying that "privatising public services equals a feudal social heirarchy" I was trying to say that was another of the things they want to do.

*Sigh* we need a Libertarian party.

You mean the Liberal Party?

I wasn't saying that "privatising public services equals a feudal social heirarchy" I was trying to say that was another of the things they want to do.
The same way the Labour party want to revolt in November, slaughter the monarchy, parade red flags around London, screw over the economy and let millions starve to death?

You mean the Liberal Party?
For some reason their website doesn't inspire much hope

http://www.liberal.org.uk/

Although I did vote for them in the European elections because I felt sorry for them.

I wasn't saying that "privatising public services equals a feudal social heirarchy" I was trying to say that was another of the things they want to do.

My mistake. However I still think it is unfair to claim that the Conservatives are Feudalists, bastards but not feudalists.

For some reason their website doesn't inspire much hope

http://www.liberal.org.uk/

Although I did vote for them in the European elections because I felt sorry for them.
Better than nothing for the libertarians though, eh? They're only what people make of them, anyway. Besides, the Liberals are actually the dominant party in my part of town.

P.S. FAO: That kid who reckons the Tories want the Feudal system back:

Any good historian knows that in the feudal system peasants weren't "worked to death" - they enjoyed many freedoms and most of them lived fairly good lives.

I have a question for the British,
How many British PM's in your united history have been non-English? I only know of one and that was Loyd George and he was Welsh (Welsh Wizard), I could be wrong.
What I mean is have any of your PM's been Scottish, Irish (When it was in the union), Northern Irish, Welsh or even from any of the former or present commonwealth nations?

I have a question for the British,
How many British PM's in your united history have been non-English? I only know of one and that was Loyd George and he was Welsh (Welsh Wizard), I could be wrong.
What I mean is have any of your PM's been Scottish, Irish (When it was in the union), Northern Irish, Welsh or even from any of the former or present commonwealth nations?
Blair occasionally claimed he was Scottish. I think there were a couple of other non-Englishmen, but I cannot remember who.

they enjoyed many freedoms and most of them lived fairly good lives.

Such as?

Blair occasionally claimed he was Scottish. I think there were a couple of other non-Englishmen, but I cannot remember who

I new Blair would come up, he was born in Scotland but that does not make him Scottish.

I new Blair would come up, he was born in Scotland but that does not make him Scottish.

What makes a person Scottish?

What would you prefer then, I've never actually seen you state what you want.
If you had read the first page in this thread then you would know i voted for the Tories. :)

Hopefully all right-wing f*cks like Tories, BNP, Veritas and Labour don't win anything and f*ck off so we can make Britain a good country.

Here here.

If I were old enough I would vote for the Lib Dems. Although they aren't as left-wing or socialist as I would like them to be, they're currently the best choice we've got.

What makes a person Scottish?

Same thing that makes you whatever you are.
The Scots are Celts and what makes a Scot is many things, History, language, culture, people, clans, etc.
I think that the nationality of a person and native origin of that person are very different things.
I.E. A Spanish person is Spanish even if he does not have a Spanish citizenship but he is not English for having an English citizenship but he is still an English citizen. Get it?

Same thing that makes you whatever you are.
The Scots are Celts and what makes a Scot is many things, History, language, culture, people, clans, etc.
I think that the nationality of a person and native origin of that person are very different things.
I.E. A Spanish person is Spanish even if he does not have a Spanish citizenship but he is not English for having an English citizenship but he is still an English citizen. Get it?

So is the grandson of a black Jamaican person who settled in London (say) English/British or Jamaican?

Or put it another way, am I South African, Irish, Dutch or British/English. My mum is from Ireland and my dad from South Africa (they met in SA), with my dad's parents moving to SA from the Netherlands. They moved to Britain in 1980 and I was born in '84. So, what nationality am I?

(PS. There is no such thing as English Citizenship)

Same thing that makes you whatever you are.
The Scots are Celts and what makes a Scot is many things, History, language, culture, people, clans, etc.

But that still means I can claim to be scottish, although born in England, I am eligable to wear the tarten of the Clan Mclean, i love a pint of 80 shilling.

Oh and Scots are Picts as well, not just celts.

In anycase I just say British and be done with it...I'm quite happy being a mongrel! :D

This thread has been made to find out which political party most people are currently thinking of voting for in the next General election, whether this thread is an accurate sample of how the majority of people in the UK will actually vote remains to be seen.

i'm not british, so i won't vote, but isn't the british national party supposed to be there?

i'm not british, so i won't vote, but isn't the british national party supposed to be there?

The BNP is there...

But that still means I can claim to be scottish, although born in England, I am eligable to wear the tarten of the Clan Mclean, i love a pint of 80 shilling.

Oh and Scots are Picts as well, not just celts.

In anycase I just say British and be done with it...I'm quite happy being a mongrel! :D

Celts is the largest group, thats why I said it. Well if your people are Scottish then you are too. I don't know about the clan thing, you must check with your Clan Chief about that, very strict rules they follow about that.

If you had read the first page in this thread then you would know i voted for the Tories. :)
I want to know your actual IDEA's, not just who you'll vote for. I'll vote for the Lib Dems, but I don't agree wtih everything they say.

Celts is the largest group, thats why I said it. Well if your people are Scottish then you are too. I don't know about the clan thing, you must check with your Clan Chief about that, very strict rules they follow about that.

They let enough Americans in to let it slide, the rules aren't too strict. But the thing is I am not scottish. I can take that part of my heritage if i wish, but thats only one side of my family, the other is welsh and irish. Thus unless you have a really narrow family tree then you can't claim to be any. The UK is too mixed to really claim a country by your history, its easier to take it by the country that you have abided longest in. But even that is not enough for some.

They let enough Americans in to let it slide, the rules aren't too strict. But the thing is I am not scottish. I can take that part of my heritage if i wish, but thats only one side of my family, the other is welsh and irish. Thus unless you have a really narrow family tree then you can't claim to be any. The UK is too mixed to really claim a country by your history, its easier to take it by the country that you have abided longest in. But even that is not enough for some.

The Irish come from Scotland, Scottish Celts, and the Welsh are Celts so your Celtic and all the Celtic nations have a very common heritage and history.

The Irish come from Scotland, Scottish Celts, and the Welsh are Celts so your Celtic and all the Celtic nations have a very common heritage and history.

No, I also have angle and saxon blood in me too, as well as viking too. I cannot be of one people, in this age the sheer diversity of people means its highly unlikely you will be descended from one people. You can't simply typecast someone anymore.

As i said, i am not of one race nor am i of one country, i am simply a mongrel and happy with that fact.

No, I also have angle and saxon blood in me too, as well as viking too. I cannot be of one people, in this age the sheer diversity of people means its highly unlikely you will be descended from one people. You can't simply typecast someone anymore.

As i said, i am not of one race nor am i of one country, i am simply a mongrel and happy with that fact.

Yes okay, I was only saying that the Irish, Scots and Welsh are all Celts, thats all.
How do you know your Viking.

Yes okay, I was only saying that the Irish, Scots and Welsh are all Celts, thats all.
How do you know your Viking.

The side of my family that is scottish, sometime back (mid 1700s) became intertwined with a family who had been in north yorkshire for as far back as records we have found show. Now north yorkshire has had a very large amount of people descended from the vikings who came and settled in their own violent way prior to 1000AD (indeed its still called the west riding which is a norse name for the area). As people pre industrial revolution didn't move about much it can be a fair guess that the family in yorkshire was descended from those who settled in the area. The name of the town (which is of norse relation) which they came from too also helps lend evidence to this. Of course there is no way we can be 100% sure, but its more likely than not.

Labour....i have noticed an improvement in schools....jobs are plentiful (dont say they arnt cos that would mean your just lazy)....and the economy has been getting better...what more do ya want....


A lib dem mp :mp5:

The side of my family that is scottish, sometime back (mid 1700s) became intertwined with a family who had been in north yorkshire for as far back as records we have found show. Now north yorkshire has had a very large amount of people descended from the vikings who came and settled in their own violent way prior to 1000AD (indeed its still called the west riding which is a norse name for the area). As people pre industrial revolution didn't move about much it can be a fair guess that the family in yorkshire was descended from those who settled in the area. The name of the town (which is of norse relation) which they came from too also helps lend evidence to this. Of course there is no way we can be 100% sure, but its more likely than not.
Then you would be glad to know your of Danes too if you find any truth to it. They are the people that went to England and some settled in Jórvík or the York area.

Viking Type: Danes, Swedes, Finns and Norse.

My people, the Norse, went west to Scotland and Ireland and then north were they settled. The Danes went to Normandy and England and some settled there as you know. The Swedes went nort east to Finland and Russia and the Finns went to the east.

No, I also have angle and saxon blood in me too, as well as viking too. I cannot be of one people, in this age the sheer diversity of people means its highly unlikely you will be descended from one people. You can't simply typecast someone anymore.

As i said, i am not of one race nor am i of one country, i am simply a mongrel and happy with that fact.

Does everyone realise that genetics no more define your culture than your culture defines your genetics? Just because you have Viking blood or Welsh blood somewhere in your ancestry does not make you a Dane or a Welshman. Who is the perfect example? The Queen.

Queen Elizabeth II (Queen of England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland, head of the Commonwealth, Supreme Head of the Church of England) is the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Granddaughter of George I who was indeed German. This means that German blood does indeed flow in her veins. But is she German in any way other than blood?

Does she speak German all the time? Not the last time I checked

Does she not go to the Church of England? Why yes I believe she does

Has she not lived in Britain all her life?Why yes I believe she has

You wouldn't run up to some in the street and shout "Ha you are a German. Starting eating brotwurst, dancing in lederhousen, speaking Deutsche and heiling Hitler" just because their Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather came from Germany.

Equally someone with Celtic blood is unlikely to sit naked daubed in blue dye while sacrificing goats to the Goddess of the Woods. They are more likely to enjoy fish and chips on a Friday night after a pint at the King's Head while saying how much they dislike immigrants.

Genetics doesn't define culture.

Equally someone with Celtic blood is unlikely to sit naked daubed in blue dye while sacrificing goats to the Goddess of the Woods. They are more likely to enjoy fish and chips on a Friday night after a pint at the King's Head while saying how much they dislike immigrants.


Sorry, mate, not everyone shares your view.

Immigrants are welcome here.

None of the aforementioned parties stand here (as far as i know)....which is a great example of democracy, when 1.5 million people in the country cant vote for any of the parties that are likely to get power

It's hardly the fault of the rest of the country that NI parties are so parochial.

If you wanted the Tories or Labour you could always try and get one to stand...

Sorry, mate, not everyone shares your view.

Immigrants are welcome here.

Wheres it say that is was my view? Leaping to rather stupid and ill thought out conclusions, me thinks. I was actually trying to give the impression of what a typical plebian in the street would say.

Labour....i have noticed an improvement in schools....jobs are plentiful (dont say they arnt cos that would mean your just lazy)....and the economy has been getting better...what more do ya want....


A lib dem mp :mp5:
Do you need a list?

Does everyone realise that genetics no more define your culture than your culture defines your genetics? Just because you have Viking blood or Welsh blood somewhere in your ancestry does not make you a Dane or a Welshman.

:rolleyes: I never claimed I was scottish, welsh, viking or whatever. I was merely pointing out what my past is (or more correctly, what it is most likely to be). More to the point I don't claim to be anything really...

I can't believe the Lib Dems have 31% of the vote so far, what is wrong with you people? :confused:

Tony Blair raped George Bush...

I can't believe the Lib Dems have 31% of the vote so far, what is wrong with you people? :confused:
Maybe not all Brits want the uber-socialist government this party promises. They may still gain the upper hand, but judging by this poll, they can't form a government on their own.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2005/03/307635.jpg
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/03/307633.html


I love my town. :D

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/manchester/2005/03/307633.html


I love my town. :D
Nice :)

Maybe not all Brits want the uber-socialist government this party (Lib Dems) promises. They may still gain the upper hand, but judging by this poll, they can't form a government on their own.

Unfortunately the Liberal Democrats are far from a Socialist party and although they make a few concessions (such as a slight rise in income taxes for the rich), their economic policies will generally be just as far to the right as Labour and the Conservatives and they even support a reducation in small business taxes.

Here is a quote from a Lib Dem manifesto:

"We are committed to a free market economy in which enterprise thrives. Competition and open markets are by far the best guarantee of wealth creation. It is the government's role to ensure the conditions under which competition can flourish. Our objectives cannot be achieved without the promotion of enterprise. Labour has over-regulated in some areas."

The Lib Dems also strongly support the European Constitution and the Euro which are designed to enforce neo liberal economic policies on the people of Europe and they have been even more openly critical of the trade union movement than Labour which still officially has links with the main unions. This is why it is absurd to view the Lib Dems as a left wing alternative to New Labour and just because they were opposed to the war, until it began, it is a fact that they have been every bit as right wing in other ways.

Looks like the Monster Raving Looney Party are going to do well in the Election. :eek:

BNP, they'll keep this country British.

BNP, they'll keep this country British.

...because all the other parties will make this country Spanish?

...because all the other parties will make this country Spanish?

No they'll make it an part of Pakistan or something. We ought to make it part of America

No they'll make it an part of Pakistan or something. We ought to make it part of America

Back under your bridge, troll.

Conservative all the way!

Liberal Democrats (the People's Party for Democracy unfortunately not standing).

All these people voting for Lib Dems...sigh...wasted votes...

All these people voting for Lib Dems...sigh...wasted votes...

How can a vote be wasted? Surely the very nature of democracy is such that we can - and should - vote on a number of issues, and not merely on 'who South Ossetia thinks is going to win'. As it happens, I agree, Labour are going to, but a healthy vote for Lib Dems:

1. represents a growing dissatisfaction not only with the government but also the official Opposition;
2. means Lib Dem policies can be more effectively debated in parliament;
3. is in the true spirit of democracy, something this government finds it convenient to forget.

I am a member of the Lib Dems but I accept we won't win. That is a huge difference from my vote being wasted.

All these people voting for Lib Dems...sigh...wasted votes...
There is a lot of wasted votes so far unfortunately, i hope that wont happen in the real general election. :eek:

All these people voting for Lib Dems...sigh...wasted votes...
All those people that vote for parties who don't win the particular constituency seat waste their vote.

In fact, only the minority don't 'waste' their votes.

All these people voting for Lib Dems...sigh...wasted votes...

As is voting for the conservatives because they won't win either...so are you suggesting that we all vote for labour as any other vote would be a waste? :rolleyes:

I would still maintain that it is an offence to the Chartists, the Suffragettes, and all who have worked and sacrificed in the name of political liberty to suggest that exercising responsibly one's democratic rights is a 'waste'. It is also a little naive to believe that the only issue onvolved is who wins a particular constituency, and furthermore arrogant to assume such assured knowledge of the future.

The Conservatives are beating Labour for the first time in this poll, w00t!

The Conservatives are beating Labour for the first time in this poll, w00t!
And the Lib Dems are thrashing you both.

Good on 'em!;)

Lib Dem.

Conservitives are... well... conservitive. It's against my principle to vote for them. Labour has made everything a beaurocratic mess and supports and, I hate to copy Sonho Real here but, they both support an illegal war.

So Lib Dem it is, determined solely by the fact that other major parties are all horrible. Afterall, that's what politics is about, choosing the lesser of two evils.