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Ok here is a twist … for everyone out there

The agenda of teaching creationism in science class (despite its not being a scientific theory) as an opposition to evolution has been big in the last few years

Here is the twist
What do you think of theology/religion classes being forced to teach evolution ? so that students can compare it to creationism (that is one of the big arguments for creationism in the science class … allowing the students to compare)

? I don’t think it should but want to see what you all think

Perfectly fine idea, I think Secular Humanism and all it's entails SHOULD be tought in Religion classes.

Perfectly fine idea, I think Secular Humanism and all it's entails SHOULD be tought in Religion classes.
Why is that?

Perfectly fine idea, I think Secular Humanism and all it's entails SHOULD be tought in Religion classes.

As a Christian, I agree. It's as much a religion as any other belief, requiring faith.

Besides, evolution seems to fit in quite nicely with a lot of Buddhist ideas.

Actually, it is. For Catholics at least.
Y'see, buried deep in the vaults of the Vatican there is a little bit of paper that says, in essence, "Evolution may just be a possibility."
So most Catholic Sunday Schools at least mention it.
Basicaly my view (say, if I was to hypotheticaly found some sort of church) is that Evolution is part of Gods plan, I mean, why not?

Children deserve to know the truth aboutb life. Thus, they should teach evolution and not the genesis crap.

Children deserve to know the truth aboutb life. Thus, they should teach evolution and not the genesis crap.
Hooray for tolerance!

Hooray for tolerance!
Ummm...Ok...

Ummm...Ok...
Thats whats called 'sarcasm'.

Thats whats called 'sarcasm'.
Oh, I see. You could at least show it with [/sarcasm]

Oh, I see. You could at least show it with [/sarcasm]
You didnt seem to recognize it, I was trying to be helpful.

Children deserve to know the truth aboutb life. Thus, they should teach evolution and not the genesis crap.
You're saying they shouldn't teach creationism in a religion class? I'm taking Comparative Religions next semester and they better teach creationism. I'm also taking Biology and they had better teach evolution. Put each where it belongs, but don't kill one in favor of the other.

You didnt seem to recognize it, I was trying to be helpful.
I'm sorry. I only realize sarcasm when it's extremely obvious.

I'm sorry. I only realize sarcasm when it's extremely obvious.
Ah.
You arent British, are you? :p

You're saying they shouldn't teach creationism in a religion class? I'm taking Comparative Religions next semester and they better teach creationism. I'm also taking Biology and they had better teach evolution. Put each where it belongs, but don't kill one in favor of the other.
What I meant with genesis was
"God breated is breath into Adam through his nostrils, and he came to life"

What a piece of junk...

They can teach the Big bang

Ah.
You arent British, are you? :p
No. I'm German/American

Put each where it belongs, but don't kill one in favor of the other.
I say we stuff both ideas and come up with something new.
:D

I say we stuff both ideas and come up with something new.
:D
Indeed, if science and religion worked together, they might find out they like each other rather alot ;)

Indeed, if science and religion worked together, they might find out they like each other rather alot ;)
I belive science and religion work together.

A God created elements, etc
They made the Big bang...
The rest happened like that

I belive science and religion work together.

A God created elements, etc
They made the Big bang...
The rest happened like that
To bad they are trying to teach creationism in science class not general ideas like yours

To bad they are trying to teach creationism in science class not general ideas like yours
If they did they would get sued by the real fundies AND the atheists AND the physicists >_<

To bad they are trying to teach creationism in science class not general ideas like yours
Do you approve of my idea?

What I meant with genesis was
"God breated is breath into Adam through his nostrils, and he came to life"

What a piece of junk...

They can teach the Big bang
What I'm wondering is if the idea of creationism (according to you) should be mentioned in any class. If there are people, and quite a lot actually, who sincerly believe said junk, then why shouldn't we teach it? Not nescesarily as a fact, but we should teach that the idea is out there and accepted by many.

Do you approve of my idea?
At least it is more fesable ... I am all for opening of minds (though I think it should be kept to classes that accuratly describe what it is) your point of view could be a scientific theory ... untill disproved it can be remain ... your ideas also alow for flexabiltiy so it can remain overall valid while the details flex

I may not think it is true ... but at least it could be applied through the scientific metod and modified accordingly

What I'm wondering is if the idea of creationism (according to you) should be mentioned in any class. If there are people, and quite a lot actually, who sincerly believe said junk, then why shouldn't we teach it? Not nescesarily as a fact, but we should teach that the idea is out there and accepted by many.
We shouldn't teach it, because it makes more people belive in junk.
Yes, we can taeach that it's accepted by many, but we shoudl include that most of them are blind

"The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Lets see here, Human beings (like everything else on earth) are made up of basic elements. We also happen to be made of the same elements as the Earth itself (dust.) Now, there is a distinct difference between a biological construct of elements in the form of a Human Being and a living breathing Human Being. A mass of elemental matter can exist in the form of a Human Being but it isn't alive, this is what the breath of God symbolizes.

Who are you trying to convince that Genesis is a piece of junk, us or yourself?

What if they had to teach all creation myths? How would the fundamentalists like that? What about the Norse one about the cow liking the ice? If they're going to teach religion as science, they should at least be fair.

"The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

Lets see here, Human beings (like everything else on earth) are made up of basic elements. We also happen to be made of the same elements as the Earth itself (dust.) Now, there is a distinct difference between a biological construct of elements in the form of a Human Being and a living breathing Human Being. A mass of elemental matter can exist in the form of a Human Being but it isn't alive, this is what the breath of God symbolizes.

Who are you trying to convince that Genesis is a piece of junk, us or yourself?
But you are taking the metaphorical not the creationist viewpoint on it

What I meant with genesis was
"God breated is breath into Adam through his nostrils, and he came to life"

What a piece of junk...

They can teach the Big bang
Well, from hearing theories of the big bang, I can tell you that it's just as far-fetched as creationism... so please don't say 'It's a load of crap', just beacuse of that sentance... which actually makes a bit of sense. ;) Not getting agrivated... just saying, that there is more to the story.

But you are taking the metaphorical not the creationist viewpoint on it
Perhaps God likes metaphores?

Perhaps God likes metaphores?
I always thought God had a soft spot for herbivores.

What do you think of theology/religion classes being forced to teach evolution ?
Do you mean public schools? Or private/religious academies?
Because in the latter case that in Unconstitutional.

Are you guys by any chance familiar with ancient text? ANY ancient text?

Ok here is a twist … for everyone out there

The agenda of teaching creationism in science class (despite its not being a scientific theory) as an opposition to evolution has been big in the last few years

Here is the twist
What do you think of theology/religion classes being forced to teach evolution ? so that students can compare it to creationism (that is one of the big arguments for creationism in the science class … allowing the students to compare)

? I don’t think it should but want to see what you all think

I think it's really up to the teacher. Basicly, if a creationist christian teacher is having to teach the theory of evolution, then they'll also need to speak about the theoy of creationism, otherwise they wouldn't really be doing Gods work, would they?
However, if it's a non creationist, then why would they bring up the topic of creationism?

I always thought God had a soft spot for herbivores.
I think he likes omnivores the most, we are the dominant species, after all :P

Well, from hearing theories of the big bang, I can tell you that it's just as far-fetched as creationism... so please don't say 'It's a load of crap', just beacuse of that sentance... which actually makes a bit of sense. ;) Not getting agrivated... just saying, that there is more to the story.
Big Bang far-fetched? Even though it has infinitly more evidence than creationism? Where are you getting these crazy ideas?

Things get amusing when you consider how many different styles of Creationism there are, with variying opposition to evolution and science in general:

- Young Earth Creationism (Genesis is to be taken literal)
- (god made the universe look older than it is - but since when is god a deceiver?)
- Old Earth / Day-Age Creationism
- Intelligent Design
- Evolutionary Creationism (largely conform with science - position of Catholic Church)

Compared to the straight-forward 'evolutionist' position (derogatory term given by Creationists) that is pretty fuzzy, isn't it? ;)

Do you mean public schools? Or private/religious academies?
Because in the latter case that in Unconstitutional.
What? How in the hell is that unconstitutional?

I think he likes omnivores the most, we are the dominant species, after all :P
Or, rather, we believe we are.

I always thought God had a soft spot for herbivores.

I believe the accepted party line is "an inordinate fondness for beetles'...

:)

Evolution is not a religion. Teaching it in religious classes makes just as much sense as teaching auto mechanics in religion classes.

How abiut we don't have religion class, and instead replac eit with evolution class?

Evolution is not a religion. Teaching it in religious classes makes just as much sense as teaching auto mechanics in religion classes.
:confused:
You mean auto mechanics isn't a religion either?

:(
Damn. What was I thinking all these years?

Ok here is a twist … for everyone out there

The agenda of teaching creationism in science class (despite its not being a scientific theory) as an opposition to evolution has been big in the last few years

Here is the twist
What do you think of theology/religion classes being forced to teach evolution ? so that students can compare it to creationism (that is one of the big arguments for creationism in the science class … allowing the students to compare)

? I don’t think it should but want to see what you all think

Teaching evolution is a religion class would just be damaging to the theory of evolution. It would mean it would be taught as a belief, rather than being taught using the scientific system of evidence and testing a theory. You cannot compare evolution and creationism without looking at them in the same way. That either means looking at evolution as a belief that some people hold in exactually the same way that people believe a religion, or looking at creationism scientifiaclly and objectivally, which most creationists would say is not the point.