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http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schiavo.brain-damaged/index.html

Is this it? Is Terry Schiavo finally going to find peace?

WHat annoys me is her parents' continuing stubborn belief that she could get better. It's been fifteen years! That poor woman. :(

What annoys me even more is the republicans doing their best to stop it. And Bush saying crap like this:
"In instances like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumption in favour of life"
What frigging doubts?!? As far as I know, not one doctor has said she has any hope of ever regaining full consciousness.
I feel sorry for her ex-husband, who's remarried and trying to get on with his life, but her parents are determined to keep him in limbo along with their braindead daughter.


Edit: I just realised the absolute hypocrisy of the above quote, coming as it does out of George. W. "kill 'em all" Bush, who, as Texas governor, would spend an impressive average 15 minutes on reviewing Death penalty cases before (invariably) accepting them. Oh the irony. Wish there was a few better reporters allowed into the briefings who would point this out to him.

Yeah well, if she was a vegetable anyway, she won't have suffered.
I feel sorry more for her husband...

Oh, for Bob's sake, not another thread about this! :rolleyes:

Yeah well, if she was a vegetable anyway, she won't have suffered.
I feel sorry more for her husband...

Him too.

Oh, for Bob's sake, not another thread about this! :rolleyes:

In instances like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws and our courts should have a presumption in favour of life.

I'm sorry, you heard the man. I'm afraid we can't let it die.

Oh, for Bob's sake, not another thread about this! :rolleyes:

Sorry. I didn't know of any others when I made it. Look at the bright side; If you'd like, you don't have to come back. Okay? :)

Actually her husband has not divorced her. He is with a woman and they have kids, but he refuses to divorce terry schiavo because that would put her back into the custody of her parents, and damn her to decades more of vegetation.

Its really one of the more romantic stories i've heard in the news in a long time.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schiavo.brain-damaged/index.html

Is this it? Is Terry Schiavo finally going to find peace?

WHat annoys me is her parents' continuing stubborn belief that she could get better. It's been fifteen years! That poor woman. :(


Well she finally will find peace I think. But I can't argue with parents determination not to let go of there child. I know it would be extremely difficult if one of my children was in this situation.

Its really one of the more romantic stories i've heard in the news in a long time.

Kinda like a modern version of Sleeping Beauty.

Well she finally will find peace I think. But I can't argue with parents determination not to let go of there child. I know it would be extremely difficult if one of my children was in this situation.

True enough. I sympathised greatly with her parents years ago when I first heard the case. But as the years ticked by, I began to suspect more and more that they are pursuing this more for themselves and out of spite for the husband than for their daughter. She was 26 when this happened to her. SHe's 41 now!

Well she finally will find peace I think. But I can't argue with parents determination not to let go of there child. I know it would be extremely difficult if one of my children was in this situation.

Perhaps, but it's rather like having her die in an explosion, leaving only her arm behind and keeping that on life support.

Sorry. I didn't know of any others when I made it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=359842
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=392057
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405920
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=406196

And these are just the ones found without using the advanced search.

Look at the bright side; If you'd like, you don't have to come back. Okay? :)

Maybe I'm a masochist, what do you know. :p

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Thought I'd capture that for ya.


Also, who can honestly be bothered to use the search feature, much less the *advanced search.* Page one and two of the forums are the only things i ever read.

It wouldn't bug me if I knew 100% for certain that she could not feel anything and that she would not suffer at all. But, how would we know for certain unless we had once been in that circumstance ourself. I just fear that if she can feel anything at all, that would truly be an awful way to die. :(

Posts: 1,337

Thought I'd capture that for ya.

Haha. The puerile "I have more posts than thou" non-argument. How old are you?

Also, who can honestly be bothered to use the search feature, much less the *advanced search.* Page one and two of the forums are the only things i ever read.

And there already is a thread about this on page one. QED.

It wouldn't bug me if I knew 100% for certain that she could not feel anything and that she would not suffer at all. But, how would we know for certain unless we had once been in that circumstance ourself. I just fear that if she can feel anything at all, that would truly be an awful way to die. :(

Unfortunately, in Florida, there is no other way to do it. Nothing else is legal. :(

Haha. The puerile "I have more posts than thou" non-argument. How old are you?



And there already is a thread about this on page one. QED.

nonononono

your post count is "1337"

As I recall didn't her parents mention that they suspect her husband may have contributed to her condition with domestic violence or something like that? I thought I saw that at one time.

If nothing else this reinforces that EVERYONE should have a will and other docs in order.

nonononono

your post count is "1337"
http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif

Haha. The puerile "I have more posts than thou" non-argument. How old are you?

1337 = Leet= Elite.

I read on Yahoo last night what happens to people when they take the tubes out.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=10&u=/ap/20050317/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_glance_1

This made me almost cry why I read it. I wish people could find a better way. This just seems cruel. :(

I think it's really inhumane how they are going to kill her. I agree with letting her go, but starving and/or dehydrating her to death? JEEZ! Just give her an injection. Alot less painfully, quicker, and not so torture...full.

Haha. The puerile "I have more posts than thou" non-argument. How old are you?

wow...you completely missed it

Exactly. I am not a fan of euthanasia but this method of letting someone die is just inhumane.

Exactly. I am not a fan of euthanasia but this method of letting someone die is just inhumane.
She's already dead.

Another case where euthanasia would a very appealing alternative. Where's that "Dying with Dignity" Bill?

nonononono

your post count is "1337"

Well, slap my ass and call me a bitch! That went totally over my head. I guess that's what I get for drinking wine all day. :rolleyes:

There ought to be a blushing smiley.

I read on Yahoo last night what happens to people when they take the tubes out.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=10&u=/ap/20050317/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_glance_1

This made me almost cry why I read it. I wish people could find a better way. This just seems cruel. :(

Here's a more detailed description of the process:


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/370oqiwy.asp?pg=2

A conscious [cognitively disabled] person would feel it just as you or I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack. They may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucus membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. They feel the pangs of hunger and thirst. Imagine going one day without a glass of water! Death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days. It is an extremely agonizing death.

As for Terri being unable to feel pain:

And while the courts have all ruled that Terri is unconscious based on medical testimony, this is strongly disputed by other medical experts and Terri's family who insist that she is interactive with them. Moreover, it is undisputed that whatever her actual level of awareness, Terri does react to painful stimuli. Intriguingly, her doctor testified he prescribes pain medication for her every month during the course of her menstrual period.

When my daughter suffered severe brain damage, we allowed the doctors to remove her life support. There was absolutely no brain activity of any kind. she was anesthetized in preparation for organ donation and felt nothing. What is being done to Terri is court approved death by torture.

They really should have some way to just make it quick. She's not going to get better, it seems needless that she's got to waste away before passing.

http://www.rense.com/general42/leg.htm


"And the court has other facts that it is also ignoring. Michael Schiavo, Terri1s husband, filed a medical malpractice suit regarding his wife1s injury that caused her to be cognitively disabled. He promised that he would provide her care for the rest of her natural life because she1s not on intensive care or anything of that sort. He brought to the jury a rehabilitation expert with a plan to help Terri get better, but as soon as the money was in the bank, which was $750,000 in a trust fund for Terri," he refused to allow any rehabilitative treatments whatsoever.

"He also got $300,000 more for loss of consortium, and the money went to lawyers," Smith explained.

"Not one day, not one hour, not one minute of rehabilitation time has Terri been given so she could get better. It1s unconscionable.

"This despite that there are doctors testifying under penalty of perjury, not only is Terri not unconscious, but that they believe she could be better. There1s a speech pathologist who has testified most recently under penalty of perjury that he believes that Terri can be weaned from the feeding tube."

http://www.rense.com/general42/leg.htm


"And the court has other facts that it is also ignoring. Michael Schiavo, Terri1s husband, filed a medical malpractice suit regarding his wife1s injury that caused her to be cognitively disabled. He promised that he would provide her care for the rest of her natural life because she1s not on intensive care or anything of that sort. He brought to the jury a rehabilitation expert with a plan to help Terri get better, but as soon as the money was in the bank, which was $750,000 in a trust fund for Terri," he refused to allow any rehabilitative treatments whatsoever.

"He also got $300,000 more for loss of consortium, and the money went to lawyers," Smith explained.

"Not one day, not one hour, not one minute of rehabilitation time has Terri been given so she could get better. It1s unconscionable.

"This despite that there are doctors testifying under penalty of perjury, not only is Terri not unconscious, but that they believe she could be better. There1s a speech pathologist who has testified most recently under penalty of perjury that he believes that Terri can be weaned from the feeding tube."
And there are more doctors, including ones appointed by the court who don'
t have attachements to either party, who, swearing under perjury, that she is braindead and unable to recover.

I can do it too. I happen to believe the many courts in the case, including the SCOTUS.