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I am white!

I'm also a brunette with brown eyes though who is not colour blind, bald, a hemophiliac et c.

I do have type O blood though, so that's recessive. *shrugs*
That's great. :rolleyes:

White purity and the weakness of White genes is our strength.

No, greatness tends to occur in rarity as recessive and in need of preservation. Aha. So "greatness" falls into the same category as trisomy x and Alper's Syndrome. Fancy that.

Of course, if you've found the "intelligence gene" you should submit your paper to the Nobel Committee. They'd be very interested.

I am white!

I'm also a brunette with brown eyes though who is not colour blind, bald, a hemophiliac et c.

I do have type O blood though, so that's recessive. *shrugs*

Sorry Dakini, you're a self-hater. ;) And I hate white people, even the white guy I'm going out with!

Aha. So "greatness" falls into the same category as trisomy x and Alper's Syndrome. Fancy that.

No.

Sorry Dakini, you're a self-hater. And I hate white people, even the white guy I'm going out with!
You sound...nasal...

No.


You sound...nasal...
You've certainly made a name for yourself here.

No.


You sound...nasal...
Your wit astounds me. :eek:

Edit: At least I don't sound like I'm speaking "deur n gat in my kop" (through a hole in my head) as our Afrikaner friends would say.

You've certainly made a name for yourself here.
And your name is some Indian concoction or does it end in bergstein?

Your wit astounds me. :eek:
Good. So you can be on your way back to Africa then.

And your name is some Indian concoction or does it end in bergstein?
My nations name is supposed to sound either Russian or Balkin. In real life I wish my name Katzenguild.

Sorry Dakini, you're a self-hater. ;) And I hate white people, even the white guy I'm going out with!
Yeah, same, apparantly...

http://christianparty.net/iqrace.htm
http://sq.4mg.com/IQgenetics.htm
http://sq.4mg.com/IQblacks.htmI don't think the 4mg site articles say what you think they say. Even if they did, there's little problem getting 52 closet racists in academia to sign a letter in WSJ (which itself isn't particularly known for its progressive thought).

You depend too much on whack-job theories. The "science" underlying The Bell Curve and the conclusions it draws has been discredited (http://slate.msn.com/id/2416/) any number of times and in varying degrees of detail.

Good. So you can be on your way back to Africa then.
Oh great one, I'm of Indian descent... :eek: And screw that, I've only been to India once in my life, for a few weeks. It's NOT home. And I'm engaged to an Anglo guy, sorry, he can't live amongst all those "browns."

You must feel so threatened by all those evil non-whites around you...

I have to say yes... I've had a crush on a black guy for ages (being "Caucasian" myself)... heh. <_< >_> I really need to get over that-- he's about 2000 miles away.

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Oh great one, I'm of Indian descent... :eek: And screw that, I've only been to India once in my life, for a few weeks. It's NOT home. And I'm engaged to an Anglo guy, sorry, he can't live amongst all those "browns."

You must feel so threatened by all those evil non-whites around you...
Oh a dothead? You belong in India along with any mongrel children you have. That is your homeland.

Oh a dothead? You belong in India along with any mongrel children you have. That is your homeland.
:rolleyes: Name-calling must make you feel really superior right? I bet it compensates for your obvious lack of any real intelligence.

Oh a dothead? You belong in India along with any mongrel children you have. That is your homeland.
I seriously think this is Drunk Commies with a new puppet.

I seriously think this is Drunk Commies with a new puppet.
I really shouldn't let people like that get to me, puppet or not. In fact, I should go and have a nice mug of tea and talk to my boy, rather than waste my time here.

Aha. So "greatness" falls into the same category as trisomy x and Alper's Syndrome. Fancy that.No.

No? No what?

You just said greatness was recessive (making it genetic) and rare. Within the field of genetics rare and recessive is associated with less-than-healthy mutations. Which come to think of it, might just apply to whites... well, at least some whites.

I really shouldn't let people like that get to me, puppet or not. In fact, I should go and have a nice mug of tea and talk to my boy, rather than waste my time here.
I would highly suggest that.

I seriously think this is Drunk Commies with a new puppet.

Drunk Commies never sank to flaming when he was Jesussaves, so I really doubt it. Jesussaves was strictly a troll, this is just some random idiot.

Drunk Commies never sank to flaming when he was Jesussaves, so I really doubt it. Jesussaves was strictly a troll, this is just some random idiot.
Point taken.

No, it's more like taking your primary colours and mixing them to various degrees... You go from 3 colours to 6 with mixing equal parts of each in one go. You change the amount of each colour you throw in, you end up with a different shade, a different variation.

Before you know it, you've got a rainbow.

No, its like taking seperate colors and mixing them together.

And your name is some Indian concoction or does it end in bergstein?

Whats wrong with Jews? They're on par with whites. In fact, I consider them to be white.

No, its like taking seperate colors and mixing them together.
Because red, yellow and blue aren't separate colours?

I don't think the 4mg site articles say what you think they say. Even if they did, there's little problem getting 52 closet racists in academia to sign a letter in WSJ (which itself isn't particularly known for its progressive thought).

You depend too much on whack-job theories. The "science" underlying The Bell Curve and the conclusions it draws has been discredited (http://slate.msn.com/id/2416/) any number of times and in varying degrees of detail.

No, the problem is that people like you don't want to accept the truths in IQ, because the negroes will start crying.

Its been discredited by places that are known for promoting diversity, diversity is usually run side-by-side with the "All races and people are equal" bullshit.

Whats wrong with Jews? They're on par with whites. In fact, I consider them to be white.
The Jew owned media is promoting multiculturalism and race mixing, and degrading traditional White civilization of course.

White for me :).

The Jew owned media is promoting multiculturalism and race mixing, and degrading traditional White civilization of course.


Yes, because we all know there is a Jewish world domination fund, and every Jew in the country meets together, so that they can have their meetings about how to take over the world. :rolleyes:

No, the problem is that people like you don't want to accept the truths in IQ, because the negroes will start crying.

Its been discredited by places that are known for promoting diversity, diversity is usually run side-by-side with the "All races and people are equal" bullshit.

Um, but that wouldn't explain why the majority of schoolkids topping the honour rolls in Australia are migrant kids, many of them Asian, including scary brown South Asians.

(I don't think this has bearing on racial "superiority" at all (since it doesn't exist!), but I want to see how Kahta explains this away)

Um, but that wouldn't explain why the majority of schoolkids topping the honour rolls in Australia are migrant kids, many of them Asian, including scary brown South Asians.

(I don't think this has bearing on racial "superiority" at all (since it doesn't exist!), but I want to see how Kahta explains this away)

For starters Asians aren't negros.

Secondly, the whites in Australia aren't exactly indigenous either.

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Yeah he annoys me!

As for me, I voted yes. I don't see why race should have an impact in a relationship- what really matters is choosing the man or woman that you want to spend your life with- based on who he or she is as a person, not based on skin colour. After all, it's just melanin.

For starters Asians aren't negros.

Secondly, the whites in Australia aren't exactly indigenous either.


Wow, neither of those points was in any way relevant to what I said.

Yes, because we all know there is a Jewish world domination fund, and every Jew in the country meets together, so that they can have their meetings about how to take over the world. :rolleyes:
ahahah I was just being sarcastic. I don't believe in this crap about Jewish world domination. I thought you'd be the one ranting about the conspiracies and the Jew dominated ACLU and the Jew dominated media brainwashing of the masses, and Jew dominated Hollywood and music industry churning out R&B race mixing propaganda.

Whats wrong with Jews? They're on par with whites. In fact, I consider them to be white.
The Jews are the world's misfortune. The Jew is the HIV of Western Civilization. The arabs, yellows, mestizos, blacks, and so forth, are just the opportunistic infections.

Wow, neither of those points was in any way relevant to what I said.

Well he was talking about blacks being thick, and your point on Asians seemed a bit irrelevant to what you quoted.

Secondly, the other point wasn't intended to be a swipe, as neither was the first, but still true.

No? No what?

You just said greatness was recessive (making it genetic) and rare. Within the field of genetics rare and recessive is associated with less-than-healthy mutations. Which come to think of it, might just apply to whites... well, at least some whites.
The fact that some mutations are recessive has no bearing on the nature of Whiteness. It is irrelevant.

The Jews are the world's misfortune. The Jew is the HIV of Western Civilization. The arabs, yellows, mestizos, blacks, and so forth, are just the opportunistic infections.
Ugh, as a med student I have to ask you to stop bastardising medical science. Especially since it's a field where non-discrimination is esential to good practice.

As for me, I voted yes. I don't see why race should have an impact in a relationship- what really matters is choosing the man or woman that you want to spend your life with- based on who he or she is as a person, not based on skin colour. After all, it's just melanin.

Its more than melanin. They have different genes.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2002/9_23/images/mali_wassulu.jpg
What Negroes have been doing since the start of time.

ahahah I was just being sarcastic. I don't believe in this crap about Jewish world domination. I thought you'd be the one ranting about the conspiracies and the Jew dominated ACLU and the Jew dominated media brainwashing of the masses, and Jew dominated Hollywood and music industry churning out R&B race mixing propaganda.


No, of course not, thats lunacy.

Well he was talking about blacks being thick, and your point on Asians seemed a bit irrelevant to what you quoted.

Secondly, the other point wasn't intended to be a swipe, as neither was the first, but still true.
Well he seems to think that whites and "selected Asians" are superior, I was merely pointing out that the topstudents here tend to NOT be from those backgrounds. So it WAS relevant.

And so you think black people are thick? Are you a NF member perchance?

Ugh, as a med student I have to ask you to stop bastardising medical science. Especially since it's a field where non-discrimination is esential to good practice.
You have some good Hindoo rituals to move up to the cow caste? Those cows are the real superiors now that I think about it.

The Jews are the world's misfortune. The Jew is the HIV of Western Civilization. The arabs, yellows, mestizos, blacks, and so forth, are just the opportunistic infections.

Thats ridiculous. That can't even be backed up by science!

At least the arguments about different races can be backed up by people willing to look at the truth.... But that.... Thats just idiotic.

Its more than melanin. They have different genes.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2002/9_23/images/mali_wassulu.jpg
What Negroes have been doing since the start of time.

Well, Kahta, everyone has different genes. I don't see how race would make a drastic difference.

Anyway, why should one let the colour of one's skin dictate love? Is that really logical at all? Obviously not.

Well he seems to think that whites and "selected Asians" are superior, I was merely pointing out that the topstudents here tend to NOT be from those backgrounds. So it WAS relevant.

And so you think black people are thick? Are you a NF member perchance?

Asians from Japan, Northern China, and Korea are on par with whites, but they are a small minority. Most Asians are peasents.

No, of course not, thats lunacy.
lol maybe you aren't as paranoid as we all thought.

Asians from Japan, Northern China, and Korea are on par with whites, but they are a small minority. Most Asians are peasents.

What about all the South Asians getting top marks at school? I love how you NEER directly address a challenge.

Well, Kahta, everyone has different genes. I don't see how race would make a drastic difference.

Anyway, why should one let the colour of one's skin dictate love? Is that really logical at all? Obviously not.

Love starts with dating, and if I won't date someone of another race, then there will be no love, no marriage, and no kids.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

http://sq.4mg.com/Image189.gif

IQ is related to race, which is related to income.

Thats ridiculous. That can't even be backed up by science!

At least the arguments about different races can be backed up by people willing to look at the truth.... But that.... Thats just idiotic.
Well, that happened to be metaphorical, but...

Is there some ulterior motive you have for your fanatical defence of the Jews?

Its more than melanin. They have different genes.

http://www.baptiststandard.com/2002/9_23/images/mali_wassulu.jpg
What Negroes have been doing since the start of time.
And to think we share common ancestors with them and that our ancestors did that too. :)

Well he seems to think that whites and "selected Asians" are superior, I was merely pointing out that the topstudents here tend to NOT be from those backgrounds. So it WAS relevant.

And so you think black people are thick? Are you a NF member perchance?

When did I say blacks were thick? Now you're just twisting what I said.

Well he was talking about blacks being thick, and your point on Asians seemed a bit irrelevant to what you quoted.


See. . .

Thats ridiculous. That can't even be backed up by science!

At least the arguments about different races can be backed up by people willing to look at the truth.... But that.... Thats just idiotic.
I think he is making an observation that Jews are on the forefront of promoting multicultural values. Jews, here in the USA, are very prominent in promoting civil rights, immigration, and taking down civil barriers between the various races. Jews in hollywood and music are very willing to back the work of blacks, hispanics, not just whites. Of course I don't think this multiculturalism is a bad thing so I wouldn't use some HIV analogy...

Love starts with dating, and if I won't date someone of another race, then there will be no love, no marriage, and no kids.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

http://sq.4mg.com/Image189.gif

IQ is related to race, which is related to income.

Proof on the first one?

IQ is related to race, which is related to income.
I'm sorry, but I have to call bullshit on those stats there.

The graph where they put the racial tics is just too convinient and according to it, no black people have iq's over 100.

Hell, there are black guys in my program... I'm in honours physics... You don't study physics if you're borderline retarded.

When did I say blacks were thick? Now you're just twisting what I said.



See. . .
Apologies, I misinterpreted...

And to think we share common ancestors with them and that our ancestors did that too. :)
And negroes today still having the same practices as thousands of years ago promotes racial equality how?

I'm sorry, but I have to call bullshit on those stats there.

The graph where they put the racial tics is just too convinient and according to it, no black people have iq's over 100.

Hell, there are black guys in my program... I'm in honours physics... You don't study physics if you're borderline retarded.
I'm in med and we have heaps of black students, particularly from Botswana.

No, the problem is that people like you don't want to accept the truths in IQ, because the negroes will start crying.

Its been discredited by places that are known for promoting diversity, diversity is usually run side-by-side with the "All races and people are equal" bullshit.The only "truths in IQ" are that we still haven't been able to design a test that objectively measures intellect without environmental bias and that racist idiots will misuse skewed data to further their agenda.

The Bell Curve has been discredited extensively in academic journals without regard to any underlying philosophy on diversity. Given equal opportunities at education and an unbiased measuring tool, we would find no difference in intelligence between the so-called races.

Browsing around on this website has lead me to believe that it's not really a well researched website...

There's an article stating that men deal with stress better than women when I've read a number of studies that indicate otherwise...

And negroes today still having the same practices as thousands of years ago promotes racial equality how?
And the "negros" today that do the same activities as white people should just be written off...?

I don't get how anyone could be all pissy about black people. If you back far enough, our ancestors were all black. It's only through leaving areas with high amounts of sunshine for areas with lower amounts of sunshine that we had to evolve lighter skin in order to absorb enough vitamin d.

The fact that some mutations are recessive has no bearing on the nature of Whiteness. It is irrelevant.Now you're just being obtuse. You yourself made the claim that whiteness was recessive. (It's not, of course, but you don't seem to let facts stand in your way, so why should I?)

So, just for shits and giggles, what is the nature of whiteness, to your mind?

Yeah - race doesn't matter to me hell thats the way the world should work not careing what the other race is just as long as they love u for who u are and not the color :sniper:

Well, that happened to be metaphorical, but...

Is there some ulterior motive you have for your fanatical defence of the Jews?

Yes, I have done research, and come to the conclusion that they are on the same level as whites, and I will defend them as such.

Proof on the first one?


That is the proof.

Does anyone else find it slightly ironic that a guy named Christiadum is ant semetic?

I mean, he follows the teachings of a jewish man from 2000 years ago (obviously not very well with all the racial hatred) and uses the jewish holy book for part of his holy book. Yet he hates them.

Funny how that works.

I'm sorry, but I have to call bullshit on those stats there.

The graph where they put the racial tics is just too convinient and according to it, no black people have iq's over 100.

Hell, there are black guys in my program... I'm in honours physics... You don't study physics if you're borderline retarded.


No, according to the graph the average IQs of blacks is below 100.

Its not a question of if any are, but what percentage of them are. I'm talking about averages here, not specifics. The average black cannot be in honors physics, and neither can the average white. The average white probobly can take physics, whereas the average black probobly can not.

Oh and also the iq-income one... that just proves that people who are richer can afford to learn more.

IQ isn't static. It changes as you learn and grow, at least on those tests. If you live in a country that's poor and you never attend school because there aren't any. You're not going to know how to answer questions like "Joe likes 100 and 400 but not 300, which number will he like?" because you wouldn't know that 100 and 400 are squares of numbers and you wouldn't be able to pick out another squared number from the list.

I would really like to do a comparison of IQ's of people who have different stances on racism. I bet the racist bigots will be scraping the barrel.

And also, the iq graph wasn't a comparison of races, it was a comparison of nations and the majority race in those nations.

No way!! I would so not get married to a person of another race!!
No wait!! I would!! I certianly would!! I thought you meant from like another race besides humans.. like aliens or sumfin. D'OH!

Oh and also the iq-income one... that just proves that people who are richer can afford to learn more.

IQ isn't static. It changes as you learn and grow, at least on those tests. If you live in a country that's poor and you never attend school because there aren't any. You're not going to know how to answer questions like "Joe likes 100 and 400 but not 300, which number will he like?" because you wouldn't know that 100 and 400 are squares of numbers and you wouldn't be able to pick out another squared number from the list.


http://sq.4mg.com/IQbasics.htm

I think that will answer your statement.

I thought you meant from like another race besides humans.. like aliens or sumfin. D'OH!Betazoids would be disappointed in you. And think about what you'd be missing. :D

I would really like to do a comparison of IQ's of people who have different stances on racism. I bet the racist bigots will be scraping the barrel.

And also, the iq graph wasn't a comparison of races, it was a comparison of nations and the majority race in those nations.

No, I think that you'll find people everywhere, since views on race can be because of: critical thinking (I used to be like you, but then I realized that my thinking at the time was wrong), parents, grandparents, social pressure, and a variety of other reasons.

Some people that are "racist bigots" are stupid, and incapable of thinking for themselves, like most racists that come to NS, all they can do is repeat the stuff they read on stromfront. Others can argue for themselves with ideas that when looked at, don't make sense (The idea of Jews controlling everything, and conspiring together comes to mind). Or, you can have people like me that understand the facts, and don't try to make excuses for them.

http://sq.4mg.com/IQbasics.htm

I think that will answer your statement.
Yet this doesn't address the fact that in many countries, illiteracy is rampant, not because the peopel are stupid, but because they haven't been to school, ever. So having them take a written test...

And again, this doesn't take into account that people who have never sat in a math class will be unable to preform pythagorean theorem which seems to be a favourite question on iq tests. Nor does this mention whether the same test was used in every instance for the purposes of the graph produced, nor does it take into account biases in the test (i.e. is the test written for people who will have every day experience with this or that...) nor does it take into account the fact that it is actually possible to study for iq tests.

I mean, if you like using iq as a standard of measure for how good a person is, then fine, I'm above the limit your page says is exceptional, so bow down, lowly mortal...

However, it is not a definitive measure of intelligence, and not enough information is given on the test to allow me to consider that it was done uniformly or at least as uniformly as possible.

If you really wanted an accurate comparison of iqs between races, you would compare people from the same socio economic bracket, rather than people from all over the spectrum.

http://sq.4mg.com/IQage.htm

Here is another good link, showing that IQ does not change over time.

Yet this doesn't address the fact that in many countries, illiteracy is rampant, not because the peopel are stupid, but because they haven't been to school, ever. So having them take a written test...

And again, this doesn't take into account that people who have never sat in a math class will be unable to preform pythagorean theorem which seems to be a favourite question on iq tests. Nor does this mention whether the same test was used in every instance for the purposes of the graph produced, nor does it take into account biases in the test (i.e. is the test written for people who will have every day experience with this or that...) nor does it take into account the fact that it is actually possible to study for iq tests.

I mean, if you like using iq as a standard of measure for how good a person is, then fine, I'm above the limit your page says is exceptional, so bow down, lowly mortal...

However, it is not a definitive measure of intelligence, and not enough information is given on the test to allow me to consider that it was done uniformly or at least as uniformly as possible.

If you really wanted an accurate comparison of iqs between races, you would compare people from the same socio economic bracket, rather than people from all over the spectrum.

See, you're one of those people I talked about that refuses to listen to the facts and would rather make excuses as to why people are in the state that they are in. We've been giving Africa hundreds of billions of dollars, and NOTHING has changed there, things were a lot better when the white colonial governments were in charge.

You seem to be unable to understand that IQ tests, as my links have shown, are by far, the most reliable way to measure intelligence. If the people of those countries were smart, over time, things would improve, because the smarter people will rise above the stupid ones. In Africa this is happening, you will find there are 1st world places in many African nations, but a very small segment of the population lives in them, because most people are stupid there.

http://sq.4mg.com/IQage.htm

Here is another good link, showing that IQ does not change over time.
Could you at least provide more than one source? I already figured this particular source was wonky based on another article in it...

And the preformance on an IQ test woudl change drastically if you learned basic math in between one testing session and another. Similarly if you learned to read well enough to gain a complete understanding of the test that you are given.

The website you have referred to had a number of dirt poor countries representing the average black IQ, so you're comparing people who probably have never been to school to people who have. What the hell do you expect?

Here is yet another link which I am 95% certain you will ignore:
http://sq.4mg.com/IQdifferences.htm

See, you're one of those people I talked about that refuses to listen to the facts and would rather make excuses as to why people are in the state that they are in. We've been giving Africa hundreds of billions of dollars, and NOTHING has changed there, things were a lot better when the white colonial governments were in charge.

You seem to be unable to understand that IQ tests, as my links have shown, are by far, the most reliable way to measure intelligence. If the people of those countries were smart, over time, things would improve, because the smarter people will rise above the stupid ones. In Africa this is happening, you will find there are 1st world places in many African nations, but a very small segment of the population lives in them, because most people are stupid there.
I know about IQ tests. I've had a mild interest in psychology since i was young, last I heard IQ tests aren't definitive.

I'm not making excuses for the state of Africa. I'm just saying that if these people don't have schools to teach them how to read or do basic math, then how the hell do you expect them to do on a test that requires both skills?

And again, your source does not provide sufficient information on how the tests were presented, how many people took the tests in each country et c. It tells fuck all about the gathering of the data itself. How am I supposed to believe something that doesn't even mention that? Hell, I don't even recall seeing a source for the data presented in teh first articls.

Here is yet another link which I am 95% certain you will ignore:
http://sq.4mg.com/IQdifferences.htm
Can you only find one website that agrees with you or something?

Some people that are "racist bigots" are stupid, and incapable of thinking for themselves, like most racists that come to NS, all they can do is repeat the stuff they read on stromfront. Others can argue for themselves with ideas that when looked at, don't make sense (The idea of Jews controlling everything, and conspiring together comes to mind). Or, you can have people like me that understand the facts, and don't try to make excuses for them.

I just love your modesty :D

http://skepdic.com/iqrace.html

"IQ" stands for "intelligence quotient." A person's IQ is supposed to be a measure of that person's intelligence: the higher the IQ number, the greater the intelligence. This is inaccurate, however, since it assumes that there is only one kind of intelligence. Most people recognize that there are some people with fantastic memories, some with mathematical minds, some with musical genius, some with mechanical expertise, some with good vocabularies, some good at seeing analogies, some good at synthesizing, some at unifying, etc. Some people excel at more than one of these behaviors. It would be more accurate to speak of human intelligences than of intelligence. An IQ test, therefore, should be considered a measure of some kinds of intelligence, but not all. The most accurate claim one can make about an IQ test is that it measures IQ.

The research on IQ and race by Arthur Jensen, William Shockley, Herrnstein and Murray (The Bell Curve) and others have not found any significant correlations between race and intelligence. They have found correlations between race and IQ, which has been used to support the notion that some races are inferior to others.

I bolded some important parts...

Here is yet another link which I am 95% certain you will ignore:
http://sq.4mg.com/IQdifferences.htm
This is from your very own site, Kahta:

So your IQ score is relatively stable, no matter what education you acquire. This does not mean that you can't increase your intelligence. IQ tests are only one imperfect method of measuring certain aspects of intellectual ability. A lot of critics point out that IQ tests don't measure creativity, social skills, wisdom, acquired abilities or a host of other things we consider to be aspects of intelligence. The value of IQ tests is that they measure general cognitive ability, which has been proven to be a fairly accurate indicator of intellectual potential. There is a high positive correlation between IQ and success in school and the work place, but there are many, many cases where IQ and success do not coincide.

Says that your intelligence can increase, but not necessarily your IQ.

Also, I'd like to point out that they are misleading on this site. Have YOU taken Psychology, Kahta? I think not. Even adults can increase their IQ because they can develop new neural pathways to deal with the problems that IQ tests. Not to the extent that children can, but they can do it.

I doubt it, not that I have anything against it but I dont find many attractive, a few Asians maybe.
Come to think of it I had a thing for a lebanese woman once

I am married to a woman that is black. I am white. She is from another culture also. We have children that are mixed too. It works fine with us. My family is very accepting, so is hers. Now the only racist remarks have come from black Americans. On many occasions. Never has anything been said from whites.
i am wondering where you live. and dont worry, the whites are THINKING IT.

Come to think of it I had a thing for a lebanese woman once
as a side note, said woman is the smartest person I know, 98.8% in her final year at school, she now has a degree in medicine and is studying to become a brain surgeon

I suppose so

It'd be an advantage if I was going to have kids, anyway. I have light brown hair, which is the crappiest of all hair colours, except possibly ginger, and no way I'm passing that on to the next generation.

i am wondering where you live. and dont worry, the whites are THINKING IT.
From my experience, people from all backgrounds, even ones neither of you belong to, are thinking it.

Its more than melanin. They have different genes.

[snip]

I won't respond to your picture and comment or your sadly misguided views about IQ/intelligence.

I do wish to make clear that race does not exist biologically or genetically.

There is a great deal of scientific evidence -- particularly from the Human Genome Project and Human Genome Diversity Project-- that proves that there are no genetically distinguishable races. The scientific community is in general agreement that "race" does not exist as a biological concept. It is a socio-political concept.

Here are the first 2 paragraphs of the American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" (http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm)

In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others. For example, skin color varies largely from light in the temperate areas in the north to dark in the tropical areas in the south; its intensity is not related to nose shape or hair texture. Dark skin may be associated with frizzy or kinky hair or curly or wavy or straight hair, all of which are found among different indigenous peoples in tropical regions. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective.
Here is another summary of facts (and I recognize the last is not necessarily a scientific "fact"):

TEN THINGS EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT RACE (http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-x.htm)

Our eyes tell us that people look different. No one has trouble distinguishing a Czech from a Chinese. But what do those differences mean? Are they biological? Has race always been with us? How does race affect people today?

There's less - and more - to race than meets the eye:

1. Race is a modern idea. Ancient societies, like the Greeks, did not divide people according to physical distinctions, but according to religion, status, class, even language. The English language didn't even have the word 'race' until it turns up in 1508 in a poem by William Dunbar referring to a line of kings.

2. Race has no genetic basis. Not one characteristic, trait or even gene distinguishes all the members of one so-called race from all the members of another so-called race.

3. Human subspecies don't exist. Unlike many animals, modern humans simply haven't been around long enough or isolated enough to evolve into separate subspecies or races. Despite surface appearances, we are one of the most similar of all species.

4. Skin color really is only skin deep. Most traits are inherited independently from one another. The genes influencing skin color have nothing to do with the genes influencing hair form, eye shape, blood type, musical talent, athletic ability or forms of intelligence. Knowing someone's skin color doesn't necessarily tell you anything else about him or her.

5. Most variation is within, not between, "races." Of the small amount of total human variation, 85% exists within any local population, be they Italians, Kurds, Koreans or Cherokees. About 94% can be found within any continent. That means two random Koreans may be as genetically different as a Korean and an Italian.

6. Slavery predates race. Throughout much of human history, societies have enslaved others, often as a result of conquest or war, even debt, but not because of physical characteristics or a belief in natural inferiority. Due to a unique set of historical circumstances, ours was the first slave system where all the slaves shared similar physical characteristics.

7. Race and freedom evolved together. The U.S. was founded on the radical new principle that "All men are created equal." But our early economy was based largely on slavery. How could this anomaly be rationalized? The new idea of race helped explain why some people could be denied the rights and freedoms that others took for granted.

8. Race justified social inequalities as natural. As the race idea evolved, white superiority became "common sense" in America. It justified not only slavery but also the extermination of Indians, exclusion of Asian immigrants, and the taking of Mexican lands by a nation that professed a belief in democracy. Racial practices were institutionalized within American government, laws, and society.

9. Race isn't biological, but racism is still real. Race is a powerful social idea that gives people different access to opportunities and resources. Our government and social institutions have created advantages that disproportionately channel wealth, power, and resources to white people. This affects everyone, whether we are aware of it or not.

10. Colorblindness will not end racism. Pretending race doesn't exist is not the same as creating equality. Race is more than stereotypes and individual prejudice. To combat racism, we need to identify and remedy social policies and institutional practices that advantage some groups at the expense of others.

Here are a few sources of information:


Scientific and Folk Ideas About Heredity (http://personal.uncc.edu/jmarks/interests/Baltimore.html)
Race is inherited, but in a different fashion from biological heredity. Race is inherited according to no scientific laws, rather, by a commonsense or folk cultural system. Like the way we name our relatives, it’s not determined by biology, and doesn’t map very well onto genetic relationships. In fact that’s precisely what races are -- named groups, nothing more. ...

The key thing is to appreciate that race and genetics aren’t from the same worlds. So it’s not that one is good and the other is bad. It’s that one is scientific, and the other provides a means of localizing yourself and others in a very subjective world of social relations. The difficulty comes when we confuse them for one another. It’s not that race doesn’t exist, as I occasionally see it in the newspaper; it’s that race doesn’t exist as a biological entity. It certainly exists as a symbolic, social category; and that makes it more real and more important than if it were biological.Basically, we are all the same (http://www.pulitzer.org/year/1998/explanatory-reporting/works/2.html)
After analyzing thousands of DNA samples collected in smaller studies, experts are amazed at the genetic unity that binds our diverse, polyglot species. Any two people, regardless of geography or ethnicity, share at least 99.99 percent of their genetic makeups--a deep sameness that makes a mockery of racist ideologies such as Nazism.

Paradoxically, the minuscule .01 percent of our genome that does make people different doesn't shake out along visible racial lines. Instead, some 85 percent of human genetic diversity occurs within ethnic groups, not between them. The traits that so polarize our culture--the shade of our skin, the shape of an eye, hair texture--actually hide a dazzling and unexpected molecular tapestry that reflects our true origins. The European gene pool, for example, carries the story of where its members came from--and where they later migrated. It is a swirl of 35 percent African genes and 65 percent Asian genes.
Using Anthropology to Make Sense of Human Diversity (http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/k0305muk.htm)
Race and Ethnicity (http://cas-courses.buffalo.edu/classes/apy/anab/apy106/handouts/Race_and_Ethnicity.htm)
In the US the general public has been conditioned to view human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences (phenotype). It has now become clear to anthropologists that human populations are not unambiguous clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from genetics (e.g. DNA) indicates that there is greater variation within "racial groups" (94%) than between racial groups (6%). The attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations is arbitrary and subjective.
What are the differences between races? (http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/faq/race.htm)
Attempts to create categories of biological races have centered on phenotypic differences. A phenotype is the entirety of traits that an individual possesses, including external characteristics such as eye color and shape, body size and shape, hair color and texture, and skin color. In recent years attempts have also been made to evaluate genotypic differences to justify biological races. Genotype refers to a person's genetic makeup. These attempts have tried to define clusters of characteristics in one population that are not found in other populations. These clusters supposedly would enable different populations to be divided into distinct races. Such attempts have failed, however, and what researchers have found is that biological variations exist on a cline rather than in delimited geographic clusters with gaps in between. A cline refers to a gradual change of a trait and its frequency from one place to another within a species or population. The change usually corresponds to some change in the environment across the geographic range of a species. Any boundary line drawn at a point along the continuum is therefore arbitrary. So, the idea of distinct races defined by hard-and-fast differences has fallen apart as anthropologists have studied the genetic and physical characteristics of human populations.
The Biology of Race (http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/themes/Sciences/LifeScience/HumanRaces/BiologyRace/BiologyRace.htm)
Race is a concept of society that insists there is a genetic significance behind human variations in skin color that transcends out ward appearance. However, race has no scientific merit outside of sociological classification. There are no significant genetic variations within the human species to justify the division of “ races.”
The Human Genome and Our View of Ourselves (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/291/5507/1219?ijkey=z/aJLHX5GkJnA&key)
We're All Related to Kevin Bacon (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A21167-2002Dec6&notFound=true)
HUMAN DIVERSITY AND "RACE" (http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/dl/free/0072500506/23746/CHAPTER5.doc)
The Geometer of Race (http://www.greeninformation.com/The%20Geometer%20of%20Race.htm)

Yup I would! Race does not determine a person's character!
Of course I would share more in common with someone of my own ethnicity, (such as culture and traditions) but this isn't a problem if you love someone and they love you.

why would it matter what color they are? they are not significantly different and if i could connect to a person on that deep level it wouldnt matter. i'd also like to say that skin color does not decide culture. i think that environment decides culture, the area you grow up in and the experiences you have will shape your belief systems, morals, way of life, all of which build up into your own individual culture. i don't think the culture of any two people could ever be the same.

Why the hell not? Assuming I'd ever want to get married again. There are certain races I'm more attacted to, but no race I've never been attracted to. As if race really exists anyway. I just have certain physical features I prefer.

If I loved a man from another race and he loved me, and I thought he would make a good father for my children, I wouldn't think twice about marrying him. Mind you, I tend not to be attracted to non-whites, but I think that's simply because of physical features.

I'm going to assume that by "race", you actually mean "ethnic group", and not "race" (which would be another race than human). ;)

Ethnicity is absolutely not a consideration for me. When I meet a woman and we both decide it feels right, I'll marry her whatever her skin colour may be. And I'll love my children whatever their skin colour is, too.

The skin colours are there for a reason, this is why the races were created like this in the first place.

Interracial children between a White and a Negro are dark-skinned.

According to the bible,book of Genesis,chapter 8 and 9,the world was populated by the family of Noah.Now,either there were more people than the bible says in Noah's family,and,they were all paired according to the "true and pristine" colors (not likely),or the flood was local and other colored peoples were alive at the time.Since Noah was from the fertile crescent,and the prevailing colors are olive to very dark brown,whites are an anomaly to the "truth" of the bible. :D

I'm going to assume that by "race", you actually mean "ethnic group", and not "race" (which would be another race than human). ;)



No, humans are a species within the primate group.

I won't respond to your picture and comment or your sadly misguided views about IQ/intelligence.

I do wish to make clear that race does not exist biologically or genetically.
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Ok, so two africans could have sex, and the result would be a chinese kid?

The reason scientists are saying that race does not exist is because it is not politically popular to do so right now.

This is from your very own site, Kahta:



Says that your intelligence can increase, but not necessarily your IQ.

Also, I'd like to point out that they are misleading on this site. Have YOU taken Psychology, Kahta? I think not. Even adults can increase their IQ because they can develop new neural pathways to deal with the problems that IQ tests. Not to the extent that children can, but they can do it.


No, their IQ cannot change. What can change is their intelligence.

I don't want to take psycology because most teachers are liberal idiots that follow whatever views are popular, currently its the idea that races don't exist.

http://skepdic.com/iqrace.html



I bolded some important parts...


I'm not debating that. I know that there is more than one kind of intelligence, but the kind which is more important is IQ.

I'm not debating that. I know that there is more than one kind of intelligence, but the kind which is more important is IQ.
Not really.

There are people who have extremely high IQ's who are unable to function in the real world.

I don't want to take psycology because most teachers are liberal idiots that follow whatever views are popular, currently its the idea that races don't exist.
So because they don't agree with you, they're liberal idiots.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the experts in the subject (which you have to be in order to teach the subject) know more about it than you, who admittedly has never taken a psychology course?

According to the bible,book of Genesis,chapter 8 and 9,the world was populated by the family of Noah.Now,either there were more people than the bible says in Noah's family,and,they were all paired according to the "true and pristine" colors (not likely),or the flood was local and other colored peoples were alive at the time.Since Noah was from the fertile crescent,and the prevailing colors are olive to very dark brown,whites are an anomaly to the "truth" of the bible. :D

I'm pretty sure at least one member of noah's family was in each "mating pair" of people anyway, since the occupants of the ark were him, his wife, his sons, and their wives. Not only is it impossible that racial diversity could have stemmed from that arrangement, but if this is true then the current human race is the result of some heavy duty incest. :(

Of course I would marry someone of another race-I think a lot of African-Americans are hot, along with Latinos, Asians... yummy! :fluffle:

I'd marry anyone, no matter their race.

there is just one human race...

I'd marry anyone, no matter their race.
Wow. *giggles, imagines billions of guys proposing to Ravea.* :p

Wow. *giggles, imagines billions of guys proposing to Ravea.* :p

-.-

I'm not sure I get it, actually...

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I'm not sure I get it, actually...
Don't mind me, I'm just sleep deprived and giggly. :D

Don't mind me, I'm just sleep deprived and giggly. :D

Wait...Do you think that I'm a guy or a Girl? Cause then It would make sense.

Wait...Do you think that I'm a guy or a Girl? Cause then It would make sense.
Girl. Ravea sounds like it's feminine. Damn, did I make the wrong gender assumption? CRAP! I swore I'd never ever do this in the forum! *Slaps self.*

Girl. Ravea sounds like it's feminine. Damn, did I make the wrong gender assumption? CRAP! I swore I'd never ever do this in the forum! *Slaps self.*

^.^

Don't worry. This isn't the first time this has happened to me on the forums. I am, In fact, A dude.

It would be pretty sweet if billions of Women Proposed to me, though!

^.^

Don't worry. This isn't the first time this has happened to me on the forums. I am, In fact, A dude.

It would be pretty sweet if billions of Women Proposed to me, though!
*giggles, gets down on one knee, all that crap* Well, I know we have only known each other for five minutes, but it seems like I have known you all my life. Will you marry me?

J/K.

Probably.

No, humans are a species within the primate group.

Technically, not true. A species is defined as creatures that can reproduce. Therefore horses and donkeys are the same species (they can copulate and make mules). It has been proven that chipanzees and humans can technically reproduce, thereby making them the same species.

*giggles, gets down on one knee, all that crap* Well, I know we have only known each other for five minutes, but it seems like I have known you all my life. Will you marry me?

J/K.

Probably.

You might have trouble beliveing this, but I'm actually already hitched to someone on NS.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=400733

So it looks like your out of luck.

Technically, not true. A species is defined as creatures that can reproduce. Therefore horses and donkeys are the same species (they can copulate and make mules). It has been proven that chipanzees and humans can technically reproduce, thereby making them the same species.
No, a species can produce fertile offsping. Mules are sterile, so horses and donkeys are seperate species.

The same would apply to humans and chimps. We have different numbers of chromosomes so a human/chimp man could not produce mroe offspring...

there is just one human race...

No, there is a human species. Not a race.

Not really.

There are people who have extremely high IQ's who are unable to function in the real world.


Yes, that is true, my cousin has asbergers, and even though he is only 6 or so, he has a lot if difficulty playing "imaginary" games, but he is VERY smart. But from what I know, he has difficulty functioning around others.

Ok, so two africans could have sex, and the result would be a chinese kid?

Clever. You choose to be deliberately ignorant and you are proud of it.

I respond further not because there appears to be any hope of intelligent discussion with you, but in hope of reaching those whose ignorance is not willful.

The reason scientists are saying that race does not exist is because it is not politically popular to do so right now.

Didn't even read the quotes, let alone the articles, did ya? Just dismiss anything that doesn't fit your narrow world view.

Among the things you could have learned is that race was never based on science to begin with. It was a social and political concept from the beginning.

We have recently, for the first time, mapped the human genome. We know genetically that there are no racial groups.

And the earth is not flat.

From a purely genetical standpoint there are no races. From a conjectured standpoint, the only difference were what small adaptations were able to survive in climates long wnough to reproduce.

ANd Chinese is a race? What about Irish? So, Kahta, you are saying that if I were born in China to two European parents, I would, in fact, NOT be Chinese? Even if I grew up there and knew no other language or social system?

Yes, as long as they convert to judaism.

P.S. how do you look at the compass?

From a purely genetical standpoint there are no races. From a conjectured standpoint, the only difference were what small adaptations were able to survive in climates long wnough to reproduce.

Wrong. Because two black people have a black kid, and two white people have a white kid, and two asian people get an asian kid.
Also, various races have different suspetibility to different types of cancer.

Wrong. Because two black people have a black kid, and two white people have a white kid, and two asian people get an asian kid.
Also, various races have different suspetibility to different types of cancer.

Wrong. Try reading up the thread a little if you care to educate yourself as to why.

yup thats all about genetics and dominant traits
if u have black parents they would pass on to u the black trait but if u have interracial parents u would get one of each and the dominant would ummm dominate but the reccesive would still show because there are like 7 genomes for skin color and they are all pretty close 2each other and ultimately w/e the father passes 2 u is wat predominant color u will be :)

Also, various races have different suspetibility to different types of cancer.
Actually, a lot of that is dietary.

For instance in asia, breast and prostate cancers are low, but that's likely due to diet, including a lot of soy, but when asian people move to north america and adopt a north american diet, the risks for heart disease and those cancers go up.

No, their IQ cannot change. What can change is their intelligence.

I don't want to take psycology because most teachers are liberal idiots that follow whatever views are popular, currently its the idea that races don't exist.
Basically, Wrong. And IQ is NOT the more important either. If you knew ANYTHING about IQ, you'd know that.

As for your view on Psych lecturers, you're also wrong. And if you want to try and argue with people who DO know Psych, you should probably take some Psych yourself, cos otherwise you're going to continue to make a fool of yourself.

Now, as for races, the do exist, but there are no significant differences between races - and there is about as much difference within races as there are between!. There is about as much difference between a blonde blue eyed short Anglo-Saxon female and a brunette brown eyed tall Anglo-Saxon male, as there are between two black haired brown eyed tall males, one of who is Asian and the other South American. The reason two black people produce a black kid is the same reason that two brown haired people produce a brown haired kid. The reason to Asian people produce an Asian kid is the same reason two blue eyed people produce a blue eyed kid. The only reason its a 'popular' view, is because its RIGHT.


Now, Kahta, please, I am interested. How old are you? What is your background? What level of education have you had? What have you studied at university? I am really fascinated.

yup thats all about genetics and dominant traits
if u have black parents they would pass on to u the black trait but if u have interracial parents u would get one of each and the dominant would ummm dominate but the reccesive would still show because there are like 7 genomes for skin color and they are all pretty close 2each other and ultimately w/e the father passes 2 u is wat predominant color u will be :)

Um, the problem with this is that there are no genetic racial characteristics. There is no scientific way to categorize people by "race" based on biological or genetic characteristics.

Skin color, for examples, varies wildly among people of different geographic, ethnic, etc., origins. There is no scientific way to categorize people by "race" based on skin color.

Really, please, I presented a ton of scientific evidence on this earlier - with links to lots of further documentation.

No. In most cases I wouldn't date girls that aren't from Europe (specifically the Eastern Bloc, but Europe in general), much less marry.

I wouldn't get married to someone of another race, because they would have to be of another sex. Since I have no desire to marry a woman, I'll just skip the marraige part altogether. If I were allowed to marry the person of my choice, I prefer my own race. But with love, one never knows. Ultimately race would not be what the final decision came down to.

The skin colours are there for a reason, this is why the races were created like this in the first place.



This is about as thin as cheesecloth, dude. Where does Mr. Creator specify not to take a little cream with your coffee? Wouldn't he have better things to do anyway?

I bet that if there's a god, he's be rockin' with ladies from all over the globe.

Ok, so two africans could have sex, and the result would be a chinese kid?

The reason scientists are saying that race does not exist is because it is not politically popular to do so right now.
Well done, you've just proved that genetics exists. You have not, however, proven anything about "race."

in answer to the original question, since i imagine this thread has moved on since, and can't be bothered to check, is yes. uhhhhh. that's it.

You're serious? Okay, I will assume you are. Would I marry outside of my race? Yes I would and yes I did. We grew up in the same neighborhood and went to the same high school. We had common friends. We shared the same religion. Race was besides the point. The heart should be colour-blind.

Technically, to marry outside my race, I'd have to marry someone who doesn't have brown hair or brown eyes ;)

Never

Well, considering that I may marry such that I'm not capable of having children...

Well, considering that I may marry such that I'm not capable of having children...
What do you mean?

I would marry someone of any race as long as she was Christian...

...course there are a lot of other details that would contribute to the decision.

The second hottest girl i ever met, who has a really nice personality and is so sweet you get teethache, is mixed asian and caucasian. I'd marry her the second she agrees. Which she wont, given she is engaged to some happy bloke. :(

Yes, someone from the Senior Ladies' race - preferably someone who veers towards off-road. The U17's are probably too young for me now. I wouldn't marry anyone from my own race though (Senior Men).

Stupid question...stupid answer.

Technically, not true. A species is defined as creatures that can reproduce. Therefore horses and donkeys are the same species (they can copulate and make mules). It has been proven that chipanzees and humans can technically reproduce, thereby making them the same species.
Um, two organisms which can reproduce to produce fertile offspring are the same species. A mule isn't fertile. A chimp/human hybrid would not be fertile. Therefore they are all different species.

I would never date/marry any woman who is not white. Some things are not meant to be mixed.

Been there, done that.

Been there, done that.

Me: Native/Irish
Him: Mapuche Indian/Chilean
Kids: what a mix!

note: could you consider him and I to be of the same 'race' since both of us are half native, even though our people live a continent away from one another? I suppose if you really believe in race you could...

Been there, done that.
Damn, you used this cliche before me...

my parents did it, and i am fucking GORGEOUS.
if you dont think so in the physical way- then make it mental. its a win win situation,

I answered 'other' since I absolutely refuse to marry someone who doesn't belong to the human race. Bestiality is some sick shit!

If, by race, you mean people who don't look like me, I'd say sure.

Ya why not? If there would be hassel from either sides family/community..this happens regardless of race, some will say it will be harder on the children, but I think that really depends on where you live

I answered 'other' since I absolutely refuse to marry someone who doesn't belong to the human race. Bestiality is some sick shit!

What about a sentient alien race? Is it possible that you would marry someone of that sentient alien race?

I would never date/marry any woman who is not white. Some things are not meant to be mixed.

LOL. Well I think you should never mix peanut butter and bacon.

LOL. Well I think you should never mix peanut butter and bacon.
You should only ever mix peanut butter with dustbins.

Yeah.

I'm brown, and I live in a pretty heterogeneous society, so even if I was a close minded bigot, it would be pretty hard to get another brown girl.

Plus, I find Asian girls very attractive. :)
... High five!

Of course I would! What a question! The real question is would a person of any race marry me?
...High five again! Wow, these guys describe me too well... you stalkers, by cany chance :)

I voted no because I won't marry animals. Nor have kids with them

I voted no because I won't marry animals. Nor have kids with them

...

What about a sentient alien race? Is it possible that you would marry someone of that sentient alien race?

Depends on how they look/act/behave probably. Because no one has any clue, I'll stick with the no

I tend to like white girls and spanish girls. Asians are okay, but I pretty much don't find black girls attractive, especially the really, really dark ones. No offense, but I just don't. I'd definitely do Tyra Banks or Lil' Kim (if I had a condom!), but most black women on the street, nah.

Already have:

I am Australian, with a verry mixed background - English/Scottish/French/Norwegian/Polish etc etc - hubby is Russian/Chinese - our kids are pure spunkrats! ;)