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Would you/have you ever slept with someone of your own gender?

gender =/= sex

yes, i have slept with someone of the same gender, but not the same sex

edit: change the title of the thread, did you? bah ;)

I wonder why some of us guys like lesbianism so much, but girls don't like gay(ness?)?

I wonder why some of us guys like lesbianism so much, but girls don't like gay(ness?)?
Depends on who you talk too. Quite a few of my female friends love gay boys so much...

I wonder why some of us guys like lesbianism so much, but girls don't like gay(ness?)?

I know several girls who enjoy watching two guys.

And yes, I've slept with a member of my own sex--do so as often as I find myself emotionally attached to one (and sometimes wishing I did it more often than that!).

Never, although the chance has come up. Im just not into guys.

I guess I'll kinda hijack this thread for a moment. Before the taboo against homosexuality was spread in the West via Judeo-Christian beliefs, bisexuality on the part of human beings - but, I think, more commonly men - was common. People did not define themselves as homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual; using sexuality to define oneself is a a relatively new thing.

Do you suppose that that taboo is breaking down, or even can break down? That people will find themselves more disposed to copulate with both genders more commonly over time?

I guess I'll kinda hijack this thread for a moment. Before the taboo against homosexuality was spread in the West via Judeo-Christian beliefs, bisexuality on the part of human beings - but, I think, more commonly men - was common. People did not define themselves as homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual; using sexuality to define oneself is a a relatively new thing.

Do you suppose that that taboo is breaking down, or even can break down? That people will find themselves more disposed to copulate with both genders more commonly over time?


In the civilized world where the influence of religious superstition is waning sexual identity is becoming less and less a relevent issue in people's lives.

In the civilized world where the influence of religious superstition is waning sexual identity is becoming less and less a relevent issue in people's lives.

And that is definately a good thing.

And that is definately a good thing.
Absolutely.

I don't know, sexual liberties is a bad thing in regards to STI's, I must say this for religion, but if you follow it, there would be alot less aids/STI's in the world. So it's not all bad.

I don't know, sexual liberties is a bad thing in regards to STI's, I must say this for religion, but if you follow it, there would be alot less aids/STI's in the world. So it's not all bad.
just use a condom...

I don't know, sexual liberties is a bad thing in regards to STI's, I must say this for religion, but if you follow it, there would be alot less aids/STI's in the world. So it's not all bad.


Condoms prevent the spread of hiv/aids and most other STDs.

I don't know, sexual liberties is a bad thing in regards to STI's, I must say this for religion, but if you follow it, there would be alot less aids/STI's in the world. So it's not all bad.

Oh really? Educating the people about the issue is a hell of a lot better than making them scared of being who they really are.

Religion fucks up too many people. I'm no friend of it, that's for sure.

just use a condom...

Yeah, those work, too.

Religion for one thing, does not destroy of fuck up lives. You don’t have to accept it if you don’t want it, but religion has led to happier families, less sexually transmitted diseases, as sexual liberation means people will get careless which is why we have them. Condoms only work if you use them.

Religion for one thing, does not destroy of fuck up lives. You don’t have to accept it if you don’t want it, but religion has led to happier families, less sexually transmitted diseases, as sexual liberation means people will get careless which is why we have them. Condoms only work if you use them.

You wanna hear the story of the "happy families" I've known? They're all quite religious, and let's just say this --- the kids were anything but happy.

You wanna hear the story of the "happy families" I've known? They're all quite religious, and let's just say this --- the kids were anything but happy.

Except for Mormans - just watch South Park and you'll understand

Nothing against gay people, but it's not a direction this cowboy swings. ;)

Except for Mormans - just watch South Park and you'll understand

Really? My Mormon friend, Kyle, was very unhappy with his religious life. I haven't seen or talked to him since 1996, but he desperately wanted to get the hell out of his situation.

You wanna hear the story of the "happy families" I've known? They're all quite religious, and let's just say this --- the kids were anything but happy.

Really, then I believe you are telling porkies. I am from a religious family, I know loads of people from religious families and I can tell you, I am, well was a happy child, I’m now all grown up, and so are/were all my friends. Religion works if you treat it with respect and have faith.

Why is there religious talks in this thread? Please, that is not what this thread is for.

My answer: no. As a guy, I would never even think of it.
I wouldn't mind a girl doing that though....... :)

Religion for one thing, does not destroy of fuck up lives. You don’t have to accept it if you don’t want it, but religion has led to happier families, less sexually transmitted diseases, as sexual liberation means people will get careless which is why we have them. Condoms only work if you use them.

Religion has also led to the Holocaust, Inquisition, Crusades, and masacre of millions of Native Americans. It is a double edged sword. I'm not going to deny the good it can do, but it is not the only source of good just as it is not the only source of evil.

Religion has also led to the Holocaust, Inquisition, Crusades, and masacre of millions of Native Americans. It is a double edged sword. I'm not going to deny the good it can do, but it is not the only source of good just as it is not the only source of evil.

There was very little religion in the holocaust, it was Hitlers claims of a superior race that led to the Holocaust in combination of complete domination over Germanys political landscape. It was the necessity of blaming a particular group of people in twine with the Eugenics theory, that led to the Holocaust not Religion.

Now as for the Cruscades, indeed they dome some harm, but they also done some good from Europes point of view. Indeed, I personally would rather that Jerusalem be ruled by Christians to this day, think of the good that it would have accomplished in the long run, instead of today’s constant bickering.

The inquisition, that too may have been God’s work. As I’m told the Catholic Church still supports Exorcisms and claims demons still live, who is too say that the inquisition did not relieve the world of great evils?

As for Sexual liberation, that too ha caused great evil among the world, most notably the fall of Troy. Sexual liberation got so bad that Emperor Constantine had to ban it in the Roman Empire, then we have the great and everlasting story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

A double edged sword indeed.

Would you/have you ever slept with someone of your own gender?

No, I never have, and I never will. The Bible speaks specifically against it, and those that do are irreversibly going to hell.

I don't believe religion plays that much of a difference in how happy people are. it can make you happy or unhappy just like everything else in life.
I have never had sex at all but I don't think I'll ever sleep with another guy. I just don't go that way.

im not a religous person but i do belive in the religon of Science... which proves that, basicly, there aint much point in homosexuality (for the human race).

i have never slept with a person of the same sex, and never intend to.

Indeed, I've slept with and dated females :). There are things about girls that I just can't get with a guy, and vice versa.

No, I never have, and I never will. The Bible speaks specifically against it, and those that do are irreversibly going to hell.

I hope you don't eat pork. The bible speaks specifically against that as well. Farmers better listen up, if you plant two kinds of seed in a vineyard both crops will be defiled! If your wife comes and grabs you by the balls while your fighting some other guy then you can cut off her hand. "Show her no pity" the bible demands. Not to mention the stoning of rebellious children outside the city gate, stoning of women who are the victims of rape and aren't heard screaming. "Purge the evil from among you" the Bible says. Fathers listen up, if you're interested in selling your daughters into slavery just make sure you follow the rules closely, as prescribed by Exodus 21.

LOL "the Bible says" is a rather easy and unthoughtful way of deciding what is right and wrong. Yes, homosexuality is in their along with those other riddiculous passages that no one bothers to even read, not to mention follow, but does that really make it wrong? For all I know this was the best wisdom of its time, but today its old fashioned, outdated and just plain wrong.

I hope you don't eat pork. The bible speaks specifically against that as well. Farmers better listen up, if you plant two kinds of seed in a vineyard both crops will be defiled! If your wife comes and grabs you by the balls while your fighting some other guy then you can cut off her hand. "Show her no pity" the bible demands. Not to mention the stoning of rebellious children outside the city gate, stoning of women who are the victims of rape and aren't heard screaming. "Purge the evil from among you" the Bible says. Fathers listen up, if you're interested in selling your daughters into slavery just make sure you follow the rules closely, as prescribed by Exodus 21.

LOL "the Bible says" is a rather easy and unthoughtful way of deciding what is right and wrong. Yes, homosexuality is in their along with those other riddiculous passages that no one bothers to even read, not to mention follow, but does that really make it wrong? For all I know this was the best wisdom of its time, but today its old fashioned, outdated and just plain wrong.


As it has been explained to me, there are two kinds of laws in the Bible, the moral law, and ceremonial law. Those are both ceremonial laws, and as it has been explained, have been struck down by God.

Sorry I can't post your quotes, my computer isn't letting me do long posts lately.

Response about the Holocaust:

And yet the Catholic church aided and abetted him and his own writings used religion to stir up popular support.

Crusades:

Yeah, the children's crusade did a whole lot of good :rolleyes:

Inquisitions
Have you actually studied the inquisition? Torturing people and putting them to cruel deaths is NEVER god's work. I'm not even a Christian and I kno wthat.

Sexual Liberation as you call it.

And after it was banned, the Empire fell. Further, Sodom and Gomorrah is not about homosexuality--however, I will leave it to Bottle to explain as she is far more adept at it than I.

No, I never have, and I never will. The Bible speaks specifically against it, and those that do are irreversibly going to hell.

Really, even if they repent?

im not a religous person but i do belive in the religon of Science... which proves that, basicly, there aint much point in homosexuality (for the human race).

i have never slept with a person of the same sex, and never intend to.

And so everything you do is for the betterment of the human race?

As it has been explained to me, there are two kinds of laws in the Bible, the moral law, and ceremonial law. Those are both ceremonial laws, and as it has been explained, have been struck down by God.

And yet they appear on either side of homosexuality in Leviticus--and it appears with all the other laws regarding sex. Like that menstruating women are to be isolated and that if a man touches a woman during her period, his hand should be cut off. Tell me, do you go around asking women if its that time of the month? You don't get to pick and choose--you either follow them or you don't.

Really, even if they repent?

Yes, only if they are Elect, will they go to heaven. That is how I understand it, as it has been told to me.

Yes, only if they are Elect, will they go to heaven. That is how I understand it, as it has been told to me.

So is we aren't elect, we can do pretty much whatever the hell we like. Thanks!

And yet they appear on either side of homosexuality in Leviticus--and it appears with all the other laws regarding sex. Like that menstruating women are to be isolated and that if a man touches a woman during her period, his hand should be cut off. Tell me, do you go around asking women if its that time of the month? You don't get to pick and choose--you either follow them or you don't.


Those are Ceremonial laws, those are different from moral laws.

And so everything you do is for the betterment of the human race?

i didnt mean everything, i meant allmost everyone does somthing in their life to better the human race. e.g. having normal sex and having children is improving, by providing the world with a new generation of people.

To me Homosexualtity is a waste of time. :cool:

Yes, only if they are Elect, will they go to heaven. That is how I understand it, as it has been told to me.


Someone very brilliant once said "if you can be made to believe absurdities you can be made to commit atrocities."

Religious whackjobbery is dangerous.

So is we aren't elect, we can do pretty much whatever the hell we like. Thanks!


Yes, and then you will burn in hell for all of eternity. That means forever.

Those are Ceremonial laws, those are different from moral laws.


And how do you make a difference? How is it that homosexuality, surrounded by what you call ceremonial laws, makes it into a moral law? I mean come on, even Christians can use logic--I've met some that do!

Yes, and then you will burn in hell for all of eternity. That means forever.
so, really, telling people they will go to hell because they are gay is rather pointless, if theyre going to hell for not being 'elect' anyway then being gay isnt going to change anything

so, if they cant change it, and they were put in that position by God, who creates everybody, then why are you against it?

seems to be Gods will

Yes, and then you will burn in hell for all of eternity. That means forever.


You've just said we will anyways if we aren't elect. So what's the point?

You've just said we will anyways if we aren't elect. So what's the point?


Calvinism is one of the least-credible or sensical branches of christianity.

Its basic tenet is that calvinists are pre-destined to go to heaven.

If this poor sod is to be taken as an example, true-believer calvinists are a bitter, miserable and dour lot. Cowardice and weakness prevent them from taking control of their lives and changing things for the better, so they retreat into the comfort of fantasies about others going to hell while they get guaranteed paradise.

They're puritans in the sense that they are bitter and afriad that, as Mencken put it, someone somewhere is enjoying themself.

Calvinism is one of the least-credible or sensical branches of christianity.

Its basic tenet is that calvinists are pre-destined to go to heaven.

If this poor sod is to be taken as an example, true-believer calvinists are a bitter, miserable and dour lot. Cowardice and weakness prevent them from taking control of their lives and changing things for the better, so they retreat into the comfort of fantasies about others going to hell while they get guaranteed paradise.

They're puritans in the sense that they are bitter and afriad that, as Mencken put it, someone somewhere is enjoying themself.


Believe me, I wasn't putting much faith in it. Was just enjoying seeing where he would go with it.

I'm glad you posted this. To be honest, I'm bisexual, without shame.
I've been less than honest in the past on NS by not shoving the obvious.

Operation "Shock and Awe" is complete. :D
I leave my sexuality up to the whim of my personal responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less.

No, I never have, and I never will. The Bible speaks specifically against it, and those that do are irreversiblygoing to hell.

Irreversibly is a strong statement. Coming from a neutral perspective, what if the 'man in question' asks for forgiveness, and doesn't do it again? Doesn't God forgive you for all of your sins? The only sin that I am aware of that he won't forgive is if you receive the mark of the beast in the Tribulation period.

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Believe me, I wasn't putting much faith in it. Was just enjoying seeing where he would go with it.

Oh goodness.. well it was obvious this kind of topic would spark religious debate..


Anyhow, for one thing, the majority of those who speak out against the Bible (adult, and youth alike) have hardly ever picked up the book. Some, have never even read a page of it at all. If those people expect the religious to try to understand them, they should take a step in the same direction, and try to understand the religious.

Point one made.

Point two, whether you believe in Judeo-Christian beliefs, we all live as if there is something better always watching us, be it God for some, or the eyes of society for others. Ruling out that there is an absolute good, and an absolute evil, is impossible. Relativism is impossible. 'What's good for you, is good for me,' cannot possibly be comprehended in the fabric of our universe, and arguing it would only lead in circles. Basically it needs to be analyzed as such:

This argument for example, some people say the liberal beliefs are good for them, others say conservative is good for them. It is a fact (I'm am not leaning on any side) that liberals stretch and use the term 'relativism' more often than a conservative does, because most liberals (not all) do not believe in an absolute good, or evil. It is fact. A person then in this argument will state 'my beliefs are good for me, yours are good for you.' Do you see the problem with this? Then how are we to make laws? How are we to truly define what's right or wrong? Scott Peterson decided that murdering his wife Lacey would benefit him in a way that enabled him to slough off the responsibility of being a father, and being tied down. He believed it is right. So, are we to stand there and say it was fine that he murdered his wife because it was good for him? No. We are not. Of course he thought it benefited him, but we, as intelligent, learned human beings, know better. Killing someone does not solve problems. Therefore, the logic of relativism is thrown out in that one example.

There has to be absolutes for this universe to survive.

With that thought out of the way.. my take on this mess.

No, I have never slept, nor will I sleep with the opposite sex. I don't believe it is right, and no one is going to make me believe it is right. I will not persuade people to believe that it is wrong, because I believe you cannot change a person, or how they think, because only they are in control of their thoughts and feelings. If they feel for the same gender, who am I to stand in the way? It is not -my- place to judge, and it it CERTAINLY not my place to damn people because of it. Those speaking in favor of the religious side, should know better than to preach to people damnation and not love. It is a serious atrocity, that only further solidifies people's beliefs against religion, and a God of any kind. I have a very conservative family on one side, and liberal on the other, and so I have learned the point of views from each side, and have taken them into consideration in my own life. I have many friends who are homosexual, and the fact is, they are still wonderful people, who have feelings as well, and hate being told they are going to Hell, or what they are doing is grossly wrong, when they feel some kind of purity in it.


Unfortunately, this is another one of those topics, where no one gives a damn about what the other person says, and people throw around cynicism, and sarcasm, until we all just feel we're going to just explode with joy from it all. :)

No, I never have, and I never will. The Bible speaks specifically against it, and those that do are irreversibly going to hell.

come on. God forgives people for their sins, and i doubt that he (or she) would still consider homsexuality a sin, since a whole bunch of people are homosexual and are christian.

like that one comercial for the church of jesus christ (or something like that) says, "Jesus didn't turn people away." we are all god's children and i personally dont think god cares whether or not someone is homosexual.

as for the question: nope. I have never slept with a member of the same sex and i highly doubt i will.

oh yeah Kahta...

let the smilies do the talking :fluffle:

Mortagonia, that was probably the best-written religious/sociological/political opinion that i have up till this time of my life. i may not agree with your view, but i respect you fully for actually taking the time to understand both sides of the issue as well as not condescending on the side that you do not agree with. hats off to you.

my opinion is that i dont care what my neighbor/coworker/garbageman/waiter does in his bedroom. if what they do what makes them happy, the better for them. i am not a religious person, but i am very spiritual. that means that while i am not a believer in any religion (although my papers identify me as roman catholic), i am not atheist and i make my own way towards god (god with a small "g" because his real nature/name cannot be determined).

to answer the thread, no i have not had sex with another man. neither has it been totally ruled out of my life. my prediction would be that i never will, but i dont know what the future holds for me so i wont make any opinions that will destroy any potential happyness that comes to me

All I said was "Judeo-Christian" and something went wildly wrong.

Anyway, never slept with a man, and have no desire to; I don't find them sexually attractive, although I must admit, Brad Pitt is hot.

I think my life would be easier if I were asexual, though. Maybe more fulfilling, too.

Doesn't God forgive you for all of your sins? The only sin that I am aware of that he won't forgive is if you receive the mark of the beast in the Tribulation period.

this makes pefect sense

I'm glad you posted this. To be honest, I'm bisexual, without shame.
I've been less than honest in the past on NS by not shoving the obvious.

Operation "Shock and Awe" is complete. :D
I leave my sexuality up to the whim of my personal responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less.

Me too, buddy. Maybe I could come down to Florida some time and we could get acquainted. ;)

Would you/have you ever slept with someone of your own gender?

Nah, but if I hadn't settled down already I would have considered trying it... :p

Nah, but if I hadn't settled down already I would have considered trying it... :p

*raised the Holy Shit flag for the third time this week*

*raised the Holy Shit flag for the third time this week*

Well it's my theory that sexuality is a characteristic that isn't clear cut, I think most people are shades of bi... :p

Well it's my theory that sexuality is a characteristic that isn't clear cut, I think most people are shades of bi... :p

I agree, but I had to raise the almighty flag. I had to.

I agree, but I had to raise the almighty flag. I had to.
As long as you had fun! :D

I'm not sure... I'm very tired.

I don't think so. Other women just don't do it for me. Maybe I just haven't met the right girl yet. Someone of the opposite gender however...Mmmm. Men are niiiiice.

I agree, but I had to raise the almighty flag. I had to.
3 rises this week... more then some people get in a lifetime... :D

oh and to answer the question. Yes i do :D

i wouldn't myself but, i have no problem with people who do. although according to different tests on the internet im gay, and on another im homophobic.

come on. God forgives people for their sins, and i doubt that he (or she) would still consider homsexuality a sin, since a whole bunch of people are homosexual and are christian.

like that one comercial for the church of jesus christ (or something like that) says, "Jesus didn't turn people away." we are all god's children and i personally dont think god cares whether or not someone is homosexual.




Churches that preach that are false churches. God is not forgiving, that was an idea that started in the early 20th century, because people were growing tired of the idea of an unforgiving God.

Churches that preach that are false churches. God is not forgiving, that was an idea that started in the early 20th century, because people were growing tired of the idea of an unforgiving God.

If God really did hate everybody, what would be the point of worshipping Him?

If God really did hate everybody, what would be the point of worshipping Him?


He doesn't hate everybody, only the non-Elect.

He doesn't hate everybody, only the non-Elect.
so really those who arent Elect should be able to do whatever they like, as they arent going to Heaven anyway...and because God creates everybody, hating somebody because of their skin colour, or whatever, is hating somebody because of the way God made them

and surely God wouldnt want you to hate something he created?

I wonder why some of us guys like lesbianism so much, but girls don't like gay(ness?)?
Actually most of them do.

Condoms only work if you use them.
You do know that traditionally religion discourages the use of contraception, right?

im not a religous person but i do belive in the religon of Science... which proves that, basicly, there aint much point in homosexuality (for the human race).
I'm not gay, but the existence of some homosexuality is beneficial because it reduces over-population.

BTW, science is not a religion.

He doesn't hate everybody, only the non-Elect.

Source? From what you DA/VE said, it sure as hell seems like He hates pretty much everybody, which would make worshipping Him pointless, since most of us would go to Hell anyway.

In answer to the initial question: Yes.

I do take exception with some of the comments made about condoms. Yes, they prevent the spread of STDs. But they're not 100% effective. Don't fool yourself into thinking so.

Religion has also led to the Holocaust, Inquisition, Crusades, and masacre of millions of Native Americans. It is a double edged sword. I'm not going to deny the good it can do, but it is not the only source of good just as it is not the only source of evil.


Religion wasn't the cause of those, Perversion of religious texts by idiot leaders was the cause.



Also, God is what you make of him/her/it. Religion is about beliefs, not what others dictate!

Would you/have you ever slept with someone of your own gender?
Yes.

Source? From what you DA/VE said, it sure as hell seems like He hates pretty much everybody, which would make worshipping Him pointless, since most of us would go to Hell anyway.


Kahta is a looney fundementalist, he has strange beliefs that dont stand to reason and arent socially acceptable.

Nope, and being straight I'm not likely to either.

Religion wasn't the cause of those, Perversion of religious texts by idiot leaders was the cause.

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

"Religions didn't do that. People who practiced the religions did that".

If I were sexual, then yes, I'd be open to all, but as I am distinctly not, this girl is closed for business.

Which doesn't mean I wouldn't go for some intimate cuddling with other women. :D

Well, so far I haven't. I'm not sure if I would.

For all you guys who have, is it as painful as it sounds?

For all you guys who have, is it as painful as it sounds?
It can be, if not done right.

OOC:I've been... curious in the past. I have hugged and kissed and cuddled but I have never been moreso with another woman.

I am not against other people doing so.

Besides, men are nice :D

IC: Those that do not protect the "Sanctity of Marriage" have been added to the Longitude of Evil.