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Paul Wolfowitz, famous neocon, Bush fan and disciple of Leo Strauss has been nominated by the US to run the world bank.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4356745.stm

I don't know much about this guy, but as far as I know he has no experience of running a very big loan system to help countries develop. And I'm not sure that development has ever been a big priority for him. I *am* sure that he subscribes to Leo Strauss' theory of the American Myth, ie truth about other countries isn't important as lies if the lies help america to be strong. Is a strong america really what the world bank is about?

The guy ran the Pentagon for a good while, and has management experience outside that. I dunno why he'd want the job, but he can have it for all I care.

When I think Wolfowitz I think Project For the New American Century.

Yeah, an imperialist, that's just the person we need in charge of aid, huh? :rolleyes:

Just when the World Bank seemed to be moving towards the reality the rest of us occupy.

When I think Wolfowitz I think Project For the New American Century.

Yeah, an imperialist, that's just the person we need in charge of aid, huh? :rolleyes:

Well, I doubt he'd call himself one, nor the PNAC... but could the handling of development aid be much more mismanaged/corrupt than it is? I would argue no.

I like the word used "compassionate" for him by Bush.
He's as "compassionate" as your average warmonger.

Well, I doubt he'd call himself one, nor the PNAC... but could the handling of development aid be much more mismanaged/corrupt than it is? I would argue no.

I'm not very aware of how the world bank is run. I know it can be very secretive in its dealings. I'd rather have a corrupt, mismanaged World Bank that had an aim of global development than a World Bank that was 100% efficient at promoting american power.

I like the word used "compassionate" for him by Bush.
He's as "compassionate" as your average warmonger.
I heard that and almost choked on my tea...
He's one of the most hawkish hawks out there.

I'm not very aware of how the world bank is run. I know it can be very secretive in its dealings. I'd rather have a corrupt, mismanaged World Bank that had an aim of global development than a World Bank that was 100% efficient at promoting american power.

Every nation is in the game for their own power.. U.S. politicians wanting to maintain military and economic superiority is a basic right, not something other nations don't pursue as well.. no one's gonna just sign the bank over to the U.S.; there's not a whole lot of power being exchanged.

Interesting the current president is James Wolfensohn, an Australian.
I'm not sure what's going on with these Wolf people ...

Clarification
Born in Australia on December 1, 1933, Mr. Wolfensohn is a naturalized United States citizen.

Every nation is in the game for their own power.. U.S. politicians wanting to maintain military and economic superiority is a basic right, not something other nations don't pursue as well.. no one's gonna just sign the bank over to the U.S.; there's not a whole lot of power being exchanged.

The issue is that the NeoCons have an ideology that advocates prederving US power by lying to US citizens and having needless wars with other countries. Many americans couls run the world bank without doing that. Many non-americans could run the world bank on a bad basis too. My problem is with putting a neocon there.

Paul Wolfowitz, famous neocon, Bush fan and disciple of Leo Strauss has been nominated by the US to run the world bank.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4356745.stm

I don't know much about this guy, but as far as I know he has no experience of running a very big loan system to help countries develop. And I'm not sure that development has ever been a big priority for him. I *am* sure that he subscribes to Leo Strauss' theory of the American Myth, ie truth about other countries isn't important as lies if the lies help america to be strong. Is a strong america really what the world bank is about?

He has plenty of experience as a bureaucrat, which is largely what the job entails.

He isn't a banker, though. But is that a requirement for the job?

I'd like to see proof that he subscribes to the theory you mention. If you can't, then we'll all have a good laugh.

It wouldn't matter who Bush appoints. You wouldn't like it.

I could add that both the IMF and World Bank are examples of the duplicitous nature of Western nations in general, and how they enslave the developing world.

Regardless of whether those leaders are American or European, or who is in office.

Can we say "Third World Debt Burden" together?

Yes! Oh, and they have a GREAT golf course near Seneca, Maryland. Just fabulous!

The IMF and World Bank are not as bad as they were - the WTO has basically taken over the major role in fucking the developing world.

I should clarify though, because Independent Homesteads for one got this wrong:

The World Bank don't offer loans - they give grants.
And the International Monetary Fund offer loans.

Yes, I know it makes no sense, and it's the wrong way around, but that's the way it works. The Bank gives money away, and the Fund wants it back.

The Yes Men comes out tomorrow - WOO-HOO!!!

http://www.theyesmen.org/

EDIT: Well, in my cinema anyway...

The IMF and World Bank are not as bad as they were - the WTO has basically taken over the major role in fucking the developing world.

I should clarify though, because Independent Homesteads for one got this wrong:

The World Bank don't offer loans - they give grants.
And the International Monetary Fund offer loans.

Yes, I know it makes no sense, and it's the wrong way around, but that's the way it works. The Bank gives money away, and the Fund wants it back.

Oh, I still think it's fucking. It's just that the IMF and World Bank are filling the front holes, and the WTO is filling the back door, making the Third World airtight.

Oh, I still think it's fucking. It's just that the IMF and World Bank are filling the front holes, and the WTO is filling the back door, making the Third World airtight.
Oh, they're still no angels, but they're not pushing out-dated economic models that the rest of the world had long abandoned quite so much these days.

I could add that both the IMF and World Bank are examples of the duplicitous nature of Western nations in general, and how they enslave the developing world.


So true. Why don't they even give an opportunity for developing nations? USA and Europe have decided that USA can say who's in charge of World Bank and in return Europe can say who's in charge of IMF. For some reason I thought there were more nations involved...

So true. Why don't they even give an opportunity for developing nations? USA and Europe have decided that USA can say who's in charge of World Bank and in return Europe can say who's in charge of IMF. For some reason I thought there were more nations involved...
One would think so. Anyway - Europe already is quite a lot of nations ;)

Wolfowitz for the World Bank. They're not even pretending to be anything other than Satan's minions any more, are they?

I'd like to see proof that he subscribes to the theory you mention. If you can't, then we'll all have a good laugh

If by "the theory I mention" you mean neo-conservatism, are you denying that he's a neocon? I thought everybody including him took that for granted. As to the fact that one of the bases of Straussian neo-conservatism is the making of a myth of America to feed the masses, a myth which the elite don't believe, that is a matter of record. The myth includes christianity as the binding religion and the promotion of "enemies abroad" to encourage cohesion at home. I always wondered why americans were so paranoid about communism until I discovered that neocons have been telling them the commies are coming for 40 years.

Look it up.

Ein Deutscher']One would think so. Anyway - Europe already is quite a lot of nations ;)
Oh really?
I was sure they had already become one nation ;)
Anyway, I don't think most of the European countries have anything to say about it either.

Oh really?
I was sure they had already become one nation ;)
Anyway, I don't think most of the European countries have anything to say about it either.

germany, france, uk. everybody else shhhh. well maybe we care a little what italy says. but not much. and spain if they agree with UK, but if they don't they can shut up too.

Wolfowitz is the guy who claimed that Iraq could fund its own post-'liberation' reconstruction. That was, ah, before the war. Whoops. And he is very much at the heart of the Project for a New American Century. These are the guys that are so authoritarian and right-wing that they even scared Kissinger.

germany, france, uk. everybody else shhhh. well maybe we care a little what italy says. but not much. and spain if they agree with UK, but if they don't they can shut up too.
And there we have "the Europe" we all usually talk about. Sad but true. Earlier I used EU not Europe but since there are 25 nations in EU it has become useless too. What could be a new term for the five leading (?) countries of Europe?

And there we have "the Europe" we all usually talk about. Sad but true. Earlier I used EU not Europe but since there are 25 nations in EU it has become useless too. What could be a new term for the five leading (?) countries of Europe?
The Big Five :D

Wolfowitz is obviously the wrong choice, clearly someone to fear and loathe - and in charge of the World Bank? Not good, not good at all.

IMHO a European should be in charge of the WB for once, I think most people are sick to death of neo-con warmongering fascist-in-all-but-name SOBs like that.

The European response to his appointment has been cool at best, I think most people have serious reservations about this.

...And he's the guy who's going to be in charge of the (at least financial) redevelopment of the tsunami-hit countries... Well, as if they didn't have enough to worry about...

Ein Deutscher']The Big Five :D
That COULD be a bit misleading ;)
But it works for me. So you're Big Fivean?

Ein Deutscher']The Big Five :D
England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the netherlands. (Because amsterdam is there, and they'll mostly do as they're told).

England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the netherlands. (Because amsterdam is there, and they'll mostly do as they're told).
The Tiny Five?

The Tiny Five?

the one big one and four others to make it look like we have allies. Worked for dubya.

the one big one and four others to make it look like we have allies. Worked for dubya.
Snowwhite and four dwarfs.

That COULD be a bit misleading ;)
But it works for me. So you're Big Fivean?
Nope. I'm German. And somewhere at the end of the long line of other things (among them Saxon, Gay, etc.) I'm European :P

Snowwhite and four dwarfs.
i like that image. next stop, chopping the head off the big bad wolfowitz.

Ein Deutscher']Nope. I'm German. And somewhere at the end of the long line of other things (among them Saxon, Gay, etc.) I'm European :P
No no no no. First you're German, second you're Big Fivean, third you're European. Then we have to count with other digits like a) you're male b) you're gay etc. ;)

i like that image. next stop, chopping the head off the big bad wolfowitz.
And who would be the two hunters?

Wolfowitz will cause massive destruction in third world countries.

Can we say "Third World Debt Burden" together?

Hey, I wrote my master's thesis on third world debt, I quess I did my part?

Nothing changed, though. The HIPC still sucks!

Wolfowitz will cause massive destruction in third world countries.

Honestly, I don't think he can make it any worse than it already is.