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Who out of these two presidents will be most remembered in 100 years and why?

either clinton for a cuban ciggar or bush for the whole WMB's in iraq

Clinton!

Although Clinton was, in my opinion a vastly better President and one of the best we've had in a while, Bush will be more remembered because he's more controversial.

Unfortunately, Bush.
He will be remembered for the second Vietnam.
For eroding the the lines between "Church and State"
For Pissing off the second largest religion in the world
For destroying our economy while simultaneously destroying the environment
For showing stupid rich people wield more power than power intelligent ones
For saying things like "Will the highways on the internet become more few?"
For lying to the American public while bashing others as immoral

Hopefully, in a couple of years a nice democrat (like Bill) will get back in office
And will fix the economy to the boom years of the 1990's
And will pass environmental legistalation (like the 90's)
And will end our reliance on oil (alternative energy rose 200% in the 90's)
And will keep us out of war

Clinton was far better, but Bush will be remembered more for being such a dumb fuck, along with his stupid "legislation". And the speeches.

And the Pretzel.

Clinton will only be remembered as the last democratic president elected for many years. Bush will be remembered for finally doing something about the situation with those people over there.

Clinton will only be remembered as the last democratic president elected for many years. Bush will be remembered for finally doing something about the situation with those people over there.


What the fuck?

Clearly Clinton isnt going to be known for much. Other than killing Hillary's Boyfriend Vince Foster. Oh, and all those ho's he slept with.

So my dollar is on GWBush

Clearly Clinton isnt going to be known for much. Other than killing Hillary's Boyfriend Vince Foster. Oh, and all those hoe's he slept with.

So my dollar is on GWBush

Yep and Clinton will also be remembered for selling nuclear technology to the Chinamen over there.

Clinton will only be remembered as the last democratic president elected for many years. Bush will be remembered for finally doing something about the situation with those people over there.

Finally doing something? You people all say you want to free the middle east but you hate all the people there. You call them sand niggers and wont let them date your daugters, and yet YOU want THEM to be FREE?

What the fuck?


I meant to type 'those brown people'.

Oh, so nobody should be able to defend themselves if another psychotic President decides to invade?

I meant to type 'those brown people'.


Once again --- What the FUCK?

Bush because we wont have a democratic party in 100 years the way we're going. And by the way Clinton screwed up the economy it just happened that the results happened during Bush's Adminstration.

Bush by default. Clinton is like Andrew Johnson, or James PolK: important, but of interest only to scholars. Bush is like Woodrow Wilson: while not the most earth-shattering president alive, he was important, but in a more flashy and contraversial way.

Finally doing something? You people all say you want to free the middle east but you hate all the people there. You call them sand niggers and wont let them date your daugters, and yet YOU want THEM to be FREE?


When DID I SAY I want them TO be FREE? I call them ragheads, btw.

PS-see I can capitalize random words too! ;)

You know, Nixon did more for the environment than any other president, probably at least as much as Clinton. And Schwartzeneger is impressive in all his actions, except for supporting Bush.

It's not Republicans that are the problem, but the Neo-Cons that have infiltrated the Republican party, in an attempted facist coo. If you look at the Germans that supported the Nazis...they were OUTRAGED when they finally understood what was actually going on. I suspect, one day, 100 million Republicans may be similarly outraged.

On the other hand, Bush controls the media message, secretly (sort of)paying for airtime on the news to promote their message, and controlling the questions that are asked by the White House press corps! He even has the "clappers" lined up to greet him when he gets off the plane.

Everything you see about him is carefully coreographed, and he STILL LOOKS LIKE A SCHMUCK!

I just saw him speak this AM, and he let loose this little gem: "Y'all know I like to make decisions. And there's gonna be many more decisions that I make!"

My 4 year old sounds significantly smarter than our president.

I know I'LL never forget Bush.

When DID I SAY I want them TO be FREE? I call them ragheads, btw.

PS-see I can capitalize random words too! ;)


This is why Democracy is a bad thing, kids.

Bush

You know, Nixon did more for the environment than any other president, probably at least as much as Clinton. And Schwartzeneger is impressive in all his actions, except for supporting Bush.

It's not Republicans that are the problem, but the Neo-Cons that have infiltrated the Republican party, in an attempted facist coo. If you look at the Germans that supported the Nazis...they were OUTRAGED when they finally understood what was actually going on. I suspect, one day, 100 million Republicans may be similarly outraged.

On the other hand, Bush controls the media message, secretly (sort of)paying for airtime on the news to promote their message, and controlling the questions that are asked by the White House press corps! He even has the "clappers" lined up to greet him when he gets off the plane.

Everything you see about him is carefully coreographed, and he STILL LOOKS LIKE A SCHMUCK!

I just saw him speak this AM, and he let loose this little gem: "Y'all know I like to make decisions. And there's gonna be many more decisions that I make!"

My 4 year old sounds significantly smarter than our president.

I know I'LL never forget Bush.

I think you should skip a day or too. You're smoking too much stuff.

This is why Democracy is a bad thing, kids.

Why is it a bad thing?

Can I not express my opinions openly, as you do?

Oh, I forgot, it only matters what a liberal pussy like you thinks.

This is why Democracy is a bad thing, kids.

Democracy is a bad thing compared to what?

I am guessing you are speaking of George W. Bush and not Bush Sr. when you ask this. I will say that Bush will be better remembered because of the war but I think Clinton definitly won't be forgotten either.

Bush because we wont have a democratic party in 100 years the way we're going. And by the way Clinton screwed up the economy it just happened that the results happened during Bush's Adminstration.
you fucking idiot, shut the fuck up and stop listening to right wing talk radio

Why is it a bad thing?

Can I not express my opinions openly, as you do?


Wow, way off there, Eintsein.

Bush because we wont have a democratic party in 100 years the way we're going. And by the way Clinton screwed up the economy it just happened that the results happened during Bush's Adminstration.

1) Extract head from arse.
2) Wipe hands.
3) Post again!

Surpluses = healthy economy. Deficits = weaker economy. The reason the economy tanked a few months after Buch took over is because he is not looking to help the national economy - just the economy of his immediate friends. And THAT economy continues to do wonderfully.

Please stop trying so hard to change the reality under your nose. Our REAL debt is now over 10 trilon dollars! The interest on our deficit is TWICE THE NATIONAL EXPENDITURE OF GERMANY!

You guys need to be stopped.

Unfortunately, Bush.
He will be remembered for the second Vietnam.
For eroding the the lines between "Church and State"
For Pissing off the second largest religion in the world
For destroying our economy while simultaneously destroying the environment
For showing stupid rich people wield more power than power intelligent ones
For saying things like "Will the highways on the internet become more few?"
For lying to the American public while bashing others as immoral

Hopefully, in a couple of years a nice democrat (like Bill) will get back in office
And will fix the economy to the boom years of the 1990's
And will pass environmental legistalation (like the 90's)
And will end our reliance on oil (alternative energy rose 200% in the 90's)
And will keep us out of war

Seriously, you sound like a moveon tool. Second Vietnam? I don't think so.

Church and State? Where exactly are those lines and how is he "eroding" them.

To all the rest, wtf?

I dont mind that you express your opinions, no matter how misguided and uneducated they are. Thats what democracy is. Thank god we have a free speech. In other countries people will get raped and killed for having different political views.

If democracy is such a bad thing, maybe America isn't quite right for you. Now, Im not defending the "love it or leave" cliche, but yet its hard to avoid here. Go spend some time in a non-democratic country, and then come back and maybe we'll take you seriously.

Bush will be remembered as a far more controversial president than Clitnon.

Bush is like Woodrow Wilson
I also see the similarities.

Wow, way off there, Eintsein.


Can you explain why democracy is a bad thing, tard?

Can you explain why democracy is a bad thing, tard?


You're explaining it for me.

Yeah, why is Democracy a bad thing?

Why is it a bad thing?

Can I not express my opinions openly, as you do?
Sure, but not if you insist on using your pseudo-racist, bigoted remarks like "those brown people" or "ragheads."

over there

Ah, once again, the almighty OVER THERE. You know, believe it or not, you once had ancestors from OVER THERE. Hard to believe, I know, since you seem to be once of those dipshits who says "I'm 100% pure-blooded American!" On which reservation do you live, then? I mean, if you're an American all the way through, you mustn't have any Eurotrash or ugly Slavic or Yellow-Asian person blood in you. That leaves Native American.

Or were you always under the impression that whitey has always been on the American continent?

Oh, I forgot, it only matters what a liberal pussy like you thinks.
:rolleyes:
Liberal people are no more "pussy" than anyone else.

BTW, America isn't a democracy. If it was, Al Gore would be president.

Bush because we wont have a democratic party in 100 years the way we're going. And by the way Clinton screwed up the economy it just happened that the results happened during Bush's Adminstration.


Uh...which Clinton are YOU talking about?

But seriously, we spend so much money on things that we shouldnt and are taking money from things that are important, like education.

In my middle school, we couldnt even get science books until halfway through the year, because the other classes were using them. All our social studies books and ripped and missing pages. My family barely has enough money for food, and rich people can buy enormous mansions and trillions of dollars worth for leisure. Our president funds bullshit like NASA, that can't even build A FUCKING SHAPESHIP THAT WORKS! And there are people in this country that dont even have money to get food. I'm lucky that I can get fed. there are so many people unluckier than me.

this thread should be locked

Because people who lose elections are poor losers. The ideal of tolerance for these people is only a platform to campaign on, however when its done and over with, they can't respect the opinion of the majority. Yeah, so democracy is bad when you're on the losing end of an election, that way you can blame something else for your lose instead of your idiotic ideals and inferior philosophies.

Seriously, you sound like a moveon tool. Second Vietnam? I don't think so.

Church and State? Where exactly are those lines and how is he "eroding" them.

To all the rest, wtf?


We've lost more people in Iraq faster than we did at the start of Vietnam. Did you know that Vietnam had an 83% turnout in the first election we had? That sure finished well...

"Govt shall Respect no establishment of religion" : Bush, just this morning, said he supports nativity scenes and 10-commandments displays on the state house lawn. There's your "erosion".

All the rest, similarly obvious.

I'm 100% American

I dont mind that you express your opinions, no matter how misguided and uneducated they are. Thats what democracy is. Thank god we have a free speech. In other countries people will get raped and killed for having different political views.

How are my opinions misguided and/or uneducated? By definition they are opinions, just because they differ from what you may think, does not mean they are misguided and uneducated. I'm sure I have a higher education level and have plenty of real world experience then you. I've seen the "peacefulness" of those people in the middle east and in Africa, I know what horror is committed around the world. So don't think my opinions are misguided.

How are my opinions misguided and/or uneducated? By definition they are opinions, just because they differ from what you may think, does not mean they are misguided and uneducated. I'm sure I have a higher education level and have plenty of real world experience then you. I've seen the "peacefulness" of those people in the middle east and in Africa, I know what horror is committed around the world. So don't think my opinions are misguided.

Believe me, Rascism is misguided and uneducated.

But seriously, we spend so much money on things that we shouldnt and are taking money from things that are important, like education.

In my middle school, we couldnt even get science books until halfway through the year, because the other classes were using them. All our social studies books and ripped and missing pages. My family barely has enough money for food, and rich people can buy enormous mansions and trillions of dollars worth for leisure. Our president funds bullshit like NASA, that can't even build A FUCKING SHAPESHIP THAT WORKS! And there are people in this country that dont even have money to get food. I'm lucky that I can get fed. there are so many people unluckier than me.


Uhh... Bush is taking funds from NASA, and that's the main reason we can't develop newer space shuttles. It's not NASA's fault.

Bush is trying to loot every government program in the nation, and so far, he's done a pretty good job. Fuck him, I say.

We've lost more people in Iraq faster than we did at the start of Vietnam. Did you know that Vietnam had an 83% turnout in the first election we had? That sure finished well...

"Govt shall Respect no establishment of religion" : Bush, just this morning, said he supports nativity scenes and 10-commandments displays on the state house lawn. There's your "erosion".

All the rest, similarly obvious.


what year did the vietnam war begin? '64? '65? '68? c'mon now, lets be smarter than that.

:mad: Johnny Wadd, I have reported you for using Extreme Racist remarks. Those are not meant for the forums and it basically says that in the rules of the forums. Read the rules or go somewhere else. :mad:

I like bush

Believe me, Rascism is misguided and uneducated.


Very much so, but it's his right to be 100% stupid.

It's also my right to kick 100% of his ass. Well, it should be, anyway.

I also see the similarities.
Ideaologically, Wilson's 14 points were not as well developed as the Bush doctrine. However, there are definitly similarities. Cheif among them is that both want to end the "Fortress America" mentality and embrace the new power of the US. After all, after WWI, the US was by far the most powerful nation, though it sadly did little with it.

I imagine, what with our age of modern archival techniques, that both will be remembered quite nicely.

All who want to assissinate Bush raise hands

I imagine, what with our age of modern archival techniques, that both will be remembered quite nicely.

Unless even more documents on GWB go "missing".

We've lost more people in Iraq faster than we did at the start of Vietnam. Did you know that Vietnam had an 83% turnout in the first election we had? That sure finished well...

We lost more people in a single week during Vietnam then we have during the whole Iraqi war.

Uhh... Bush is taking funds from NASA, and that's the main reason we can't develop newer space shuttles. It's not NASA's fault.

Bush is trying to loot every government program in the nation, and so far, he's done a pretty good job. Fuck him, I say.

Right said.

Remember when Bush said he will increase NASA's funding by 1 billion dollars - woohoo! Only...that was over 5 YEARS! Which means he's adding 200k per year, to a budget of 14 billion dollars. That's LESS THAN the cost of INFLATION!! Which means...he CUT NASA's budget, not increased it! (Please jot that down in your mental notebook as Bush lie # 23,738)

And to fund his "walk on Mars" program, he is cutting funding for a host of orbiting telescopes, including Hubble, which create real research, science, jobs, and a future based on R&D. Plus excitement and American pride.

Bush IS NO REPUBLICAN. He is simply a corporate figurehead. I'd take Nixon or Arnold over Bush in a split second.

All who want to assissinate Bush raise hands

I've heard many stupid things, but assassinating a president is stupid as hell...

Just because you disagree with his views doesnt mean you have the right to kill the man. Although he may have doomed the American country, he doesn't think that he's done so.

All who want to assissinate Bush raise hands

Wow, that was an intelligent statement.

We lost more people in a single week during Vietnam then we have during the whole Iraqi war.

And what do you base this on?

All who want to assissinate Bush raise hands


Democracy sucks, don't it? I remember, way back when, when a certain democrat held office by a much slimmer majority than Bush has, and you didn't hear calls for Clinton's, errr, his assasination. Grow up, and lets be a little more productive with my time.

We lost more people in a single week during Vietnam then we have during the whole Iraqi war.

Dude, just wait...we're just getting started in Iraq. We lost almost no one in the first 3 years we were in Vietnam.

Sure, space is awesome. But it seems all too pointless for me. Once we find a world like Earth that can support our life, I'll be more than happy to give all of my money to NASA. That way we'd have another planet to trash.

All who want to assissinate Bush raise hands


Careful what you say. Who knows who is reading this!

Sure, but not if you insist on using your pseudo-racist, bigoted remarks like "those brown people" or "ragheads."



Ah, once again, the almighty OVER THERE. You know, believe it or not, you once had ancestors from OVER THERE. Hard to believe, I know, since you seem to be once of those dipshits who says "I'm 100% pure-blooded American!" On which reservation do you live, then? I mean, if you're an American all the way through, you mustn't have any Eurotrash or ugly Slavic or Yellow-Asian person blood in you. That leaves Native American.

Or were you always under the impression that whitey has always been on the American continent?

Yada yada yada.

Oh, and that bolded statement kind of shows your maturity. I never said I'm 100% pure-blooded American. BTW the correct term is red-blooded American.

Democracy sucks, don't it? I remember, way back when, when a certain democrat held office by a much slimmer majority than Bush has, and you didn't hear calls for Clinton's, errr, his assasination. Grow up, and lets be a little more productive with my time.

Wait...Bush set the all-time record for the smallest majority of a second-term winner. No one ever won a second term by less of the popular vote! And Clinton's first term - well, he actually controlled the popular vote, where as Bush did not!

:mad: Johnny Wadd, I have reported you for using Extreme Racist remarks. Those are not meant for the forums and it basically says that in the rules of the forums. Read the rules or go somewhere else. :mad:


What "extreme rascist" remarks?

Right said.

Remember when Bush said he will increase NASA's funding by 1 billion dollars - woohoo! Only...that was over 5 YEARS! Which means he's adding 200k per year, to a budget of 14 billion dollars. That's LESS THAN the cost of INFLATION!! Which means...he CUT NASA's budget, not increased it! (Please jot that down in your mental notebook as Bush lie # 23,738)

And to fund his "walk on Mars" program, he is cutting funding for a host of orbiting telescopes, including Hubble, which create real research, science, jobs, and a future based on R&D. Plus excitement and American pride.

Bush IS NO REPUBLICAN. He is simply a corporate figurehead. I'd take Nixon or Arnold over Bush in a split second.


Ahhnuld actually doesn't seem to be bad at his job. Seems like a real Republican, unlike Bush and his Lemmings (the idiots who voted for him).

You know the terrorists want to assassinate Bush to...

Bush will, hands down. because he's such a fucking douche bag. Clinton should be remembered, but hey, no one cares about good presidents. It's always the shitty ones, or the legendary awesome ones you ever hear about.

Bush will, hands down. because he's such a fucking douche bag. Clinton should be remembered, but hey, no one cares about good presidents. It's always the shitty ones, or the legendary awesome ones you ever hear about.


Presidents are remembered because of the wars they sent us into, not because of the wars they didnt send us into.

Wait...Bush set the all-time record for the smallest majority of a second-term winner. No one ever won a second term by less of the popular vote! And Clinton's first term - well, he actually controlled the popular vote, where as Bush did not!

No, not true. Bush got more popular votes than any President ever. He also won 51% of the popular vote. Clinton never got above 50% of the popular vote.

Sure, space is awesome. But it seems all too pointless for me. Once we find a world like Earth that can support our life, I'll be more than happy to give all of my money to NASA. That way we'd have another planet to trash.

NASA = 14 billion per year.
Defense = 450 billion per year, plus 100 billion additional (vet benefits and such) that come from other budgets = 550 billion per year.
Interst on Debt = 400 billion per year.

If you need some money, lets just run a ballanced budget this year...you will save more that the entire budget of NASA.

(NASA will soon create huge income and jobs for you, if Bush takes his hands of it. Can you say SPACE MINING!)

Bush will, hands down. because he's such a fucking douche bag. Clinton should be remembered, but hey, no one cares about good presidents. It's always the shitty ones, or the legendary awesome ones you ever hear about.


You mean Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt?

No, not true. Bush got more popular votes than any President ever. He also won 51% of the popular vote. Clinton never got above 50% of the popular vote.


...You're only wrong. You state this like its fact when its not. We all know for a fact that Gore won the popular vote in 2000....

Believe me, Rascism is misguided and uneducated.


Usually the ones that point fingers and call people racist are in fact the real racist.

CLinton had the whole affair thing but bush will always be remembered as being the one who perminently screwed up the country.

...You're only wrong. You state this like its fact when its not. We all know for a fact that Gore won the popular vote in 2000....


And thanks to Jeb and Katherine (or is it Catherine) Harris, G.W. got in anyway.

Usually the ones that point fingers and call people racist are in fact the real racist.


Oh come on, do you actually believe that bullshit?

NASA = 14 billion per year.
Defense = 450 billion per year, plus 100 billion additional (vet benefits and such) that come from other budgets = 550 billion per year.
Interst on Debt = 400 billion per year.

If you need some money, lets just run a ballanced budget this year...you will save more that the entire budget of NASA.

(NASA will soon create huge income and jobs for you, if Bush takes his hands of it. Can you say SPACE MINING!)

Once we develop the technology for space mining, and when we have something to mine...

On top of it all, I disagree with the defense spending as well. We're in debt why make it worse by spending more money we cant pay back.

Not to mention the BILLIONS of dollars we have in external debt

...You're only wrong. You state this like its fact when its not. We all know for a fact that Gore won the popular vote in 2000....

DUDE! Bush's second term!!! We are talking about his second term!!!

No, not true. Bush got more popular votes than any President ever. He also won 51% of the popular vote. Clinton never got above 50% of the popular vote.

Both things you just said ARE true, but that's not what you said earlier.

He got more votes than anyone before because we have nearly 300 million people now and the turnout was pretty good. Know whose second all-time? Kerry!!

He got over 50% because there was no serious 3rd party candidate.

BUT...as a PERCENTAGE of the popular vote, he won by the narrowest margin of any second term president ever. In other words, while the country is huge and there were only 2 significant candidates running, it is safe and proper to say that Bush is the least popular second-term president ever.

Maybe we can all remember him for that?

Oh come on, do you actually believe that bullshit?

Refer to my previous post.

Usually the ones that point fingers and call people racist are in fact the real racist.


I'm black, and i've experienced so much rascism myself, and you have the nerve to say that I'm a rascist?

DUDE! Bush's second term!!! We are talking about his second term!!!


Yeah, but don't forget about voting irregularities. Mr. Bush always seems to have those up his sleeve.

Wait...Bush set the all-time record for the smallest majority of a second-term winner. No one ever won a second term by less of the popular vote! And Clinton's first term - well, he actually controlled the popular vote, where as Bush did not!


Wait! You seem to be mixing "popular vote" margin, with percentage of total vote. You should know better. We can ramble on about how many votes this guy had vs. how many votes that guy had, but in comparision, the only fair way to decide is to look at the percentage of the total vote, afterall that is how elections are decided. Clinton never won a total majority, Bush won his second term with 53%.

FYI: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html

Bush because we wont have a democratic party in 100 years the way we're going. And by the way Clinton screwed up the economy it just happened that the results happened during Bush's Adminstration.

Riiiight.

Keep thinking that young lad.

Both things you just said ARE true, but that's not what you said earlier.

He got more votes than anyone before because we have nearly 300 million people now and the turnout was pretty good. Know whose second all-time? Kerry!!

He got over 50% because there was no serious 3rd party candidate.

BUT...as a PERCENTAGE of the popular vote, he won by the narrowest margin of any second term president ever. In other words, while the country is huge and there were only 2 significant candidates running, it is safe and proper to say that Bush is the least popular second-term president ever.

Maybe we can all remember him for that?

I didn't say anything earlier.

I do however agree with you that not having a serious third party and a huge voter turnout made the difference.

I'm black, and i've experienced so much rascism myself, and you have the nerve to say that I'm a rascist?


Who knows if your black. But you do have a racist name. Who the hell calls themselves Negronian?

You mean Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt?

I was thinking more Lincoln and Washington, but whateva

Yeah, but don't forget about voting irregularities. Mr. Bush always seems to have those up his sleeve.

point taken...

there were however irregularities on both ends. maybe more on bush's but he was not alone

Who out of these two presidents will be most remembered in 100 years and why?

I have no respect for Bush, but he'll be remembered for being the most polarizing figure to ever occupy the white house. Not even 9/11 could bring us together thanks to him.

Wait! You seem to be mixing "popular vote" margin, with percentage of total vote. You should know better. We can ramble on about how many votes this guy had vs. how many votes that guy had, but in comparision, the only fair way to decide is to look at the percentage of the total vote, afterall that is how elections are decided. Clinton never won a total majority, Bush won his second term with 53%.

FYI: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html


I completely disagree. If 3 guys run, everyone will get less votes. The total is meaningless...the relative number of votes is absolutely everything. In this country, the president can will a landslide with 3% of the popular vote, provided that 97 other candidates each get 1%!

And unless Bush snuck a few million more votes out of the republican-owned Diebold voting machines (really true), then he got 51% of the popular vote, to about 48% for Kerry.

Keep in mind Kerry also got more votes than Clinton did, it was just due to the Record amount of people voting. You have to realize that even if Clinton never got over 50%, thats with all the votes in a 3 party race.

Who knows if your black. But you do have a racist name. Who the hell calls themselves Negronian?

Yeah. I sure am rascist against my own color. I hate black people, although my skin is the same.

I also steal white women from you and raise the crime rate. I'm angry and i've been in and out of jail countless times.

Yeah. I sure am rascist against my own color. I hate black people, although my skin is the same.

I also steal white women from you and raise the crime rate. I'm angry and i've been in and out of jail countless times.


I didnt say that you did. I doubt if your really black. But who knows..

Riiiight.

Keep thinking that young lad.


Give it up, the economy was heading down the tubes well before Bush took the oath. Kinda like that September 11th thing everyone wants to blame Bush for. Unfortunately, it had been planned since 1998-'99, during CLINTON's years. The economic recession is similar, with the warning signs coming towards the later end of the Clinton admin. The economy isn't a push-button, it doesn't happen overnight, say over the night of January 20th, 2001. It kinda take some time.

I didnt say that you did. I doubt if your really black. But who knows..

Why would I want to pretend that I'm black? Are you shocked that a black person knows how to read and write? I can also type and spell pretty well.

Yeah. I sure am rascist against my own color. I hate black people, although my skin is the same.

I also steal white women from you and raise the crime rate. I'm angry and i've been in and out of jail countless times.

you scare me

Yeah. I sure am rascist against my own color. I hate black people, although my skin is the same.

I also steal white women from you and raise the crime rate. I'm angry and i've been in and out of jail countless times.

Were you the guy (http://www.besmark.com/minstrel.jpg) who stole from my watermelon field and raided my chicken coop?

I say Clinton. There are lots of bad presidents nobody remembers.
Clinton and Andrew Johnson are the only two presidents to get impeached.

I gotta run.

Just remember this: If you say anything that I disagree with, than you are DEFINITELY wrong. Go back and check your work, then post again.

Bush = NEO-CON CORPORATE PLANT.

Republican and Democrats both OK - differing opinions, but both valid.

Bush is NOT a republican, any more than I am a democrat.

Bush = HIGH DEFICITS, NATION BUILDING, ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING, JOB ERODING, NATIVITY SCENE LOVING freakshow. Please tell him I said so.

Hillary in 2008!!!

Democracy is a bad thing compared to what?
If I may quote from winston Churchill

democracy is the worst system of govenrment except for everything else that's been tried.

Kinda like Capitalism

Unfortunately, Bush.
He will be remembered for the second Vietnam.
For eroding the the lines between "Church and State"
For Pissing off the second largest religion in the world
For destroying our economy while simultaneously destroying the environment
For showing stupid rich people wield more power than power intelligent ones
For saying things like "Will the highways on the internet become more few?"
For lying to the American public while bashing others as immoral

Hopefully, in a couple of years a nice democrat (like Bill) will get back in office
And will fix the economy to the boom years of the 1990's
And will pass environmental legistalation (like the 90's)
And will end our reliance on oil (alternative energy rose 200% in the 90's)
And will keep us out of war

Sorry, none of that will mean shit in 100 years. No one understands the pay of pigs thing, but everyone remembers that he slept with Marilyn and had her killed. And that might not have even happened.

Unless Bush actually gets assassinated in office, in accordance with the 0-year curse, then no one will remember him as anything other than a mildly incompotent, yet oddly popular, president.

Everyone will remember Clinton because it was a sex scandal, and the only surplus we showed for the end of the 20th century and the begining of the 21st. Bush will be lost in a long list of incompotent Republican presidents.

I say Clinton. There are lots of bad presidents nobody remembers.
Clinton and Andrew Johnson are the only two presidents to get impeached.

Yeah, and neither of them really deserved to be impeached.

Johnson was impeached because congress didnt agree with his views for reconstruction.
Clinton was impeached because he cheated on his wife. This is no crime that should get you kicked out of office.

I gotta run.

Just remember this: If you say anything that I disagree with, than you are DEFINITELY wrong. Go back and check your work, then post again.

Bush = NEO-CON CORPORATE PLANT.

Republican and Democrats both OK - differing opinions, but both valid.

Bush is NOT a republican, any more than I am a democrat.

Bush = HIGH DEFICITS, NATION BUILDING, ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING, JOB ERODING, NATIVITY SCENE LOVING freakshow. Please tell him I said so.

Hillary in 2008!!!

I don't know about you, but I hope we don't have to live in the same village.

Give it up, the economy was heading down the tubes well before Bush took the oath. Kinda like that September 11th thing everyone wants to blame Bush for. Unfortunately, it had been planned since 1998-'99, during CLINTON's years. The economic recession is similar, with the warning signs coming towards the later end of the Clinton admin. The economy isn't a push-button, it doesn't happen overnight, say over the night of January 20th, 2001. It kinda take some time.

How about September 2001, 9 months after Bush took office. Or if you look at the other recesion rating system, the economy first PEAKED in March 2001, then went downhill. Bush was handed a strong AND GROWING economy.

It's the fact by any measure - if you check on it, you will be surprised. Remember, the stockmarket is NOT the economy.

K - really gotta go now!

I gotta run.

Just remember this: If you say anything that I disagree with, than you are DEFINITELY wrong. Go back and check your work, then post again.

Bush = NEO-CON CORPORATE PLANT.

Republican and Democrats both OK - differing opinions, but both valid.

Bush is NOT a republican, any more than I am a democrat.

Bush = HIGH DEFICITS, NATION BUILDING, ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING, JOB ERODING, NATIVITY SCENE LOVING freakshow. Please tell him I said so.

Hillary in 2008!!!
I'm sorry, but it's kinda hard to take Hemp Manufacturers seriously.

I gotta run.

Just remember this: If you say anything that I disagree with, than you are DEFINITELY wrong. Go back and check your work, then post again.

Bush = NEO-CON CORPORATE PLANT.

Republican and Democrats both OK - differing opinions, but both valid.

Bush is NOT a republican, any more than I am a democrat.

Bush = HIGH DEFICITS, NATION BUILDING, ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING, JOB ERODING, NATIVITY SCENE LOVING freakshow. Please tell him I said so.

Hillary in 2008!!!
god...you are wrong on so many levels.
1. Bush is not a necocon corporate Plant, Cheny is, Bush is just his puppet. ( I mean, I dont wanna be mean, but they had to surgically remove Cheney's rolex from his Colon)

2. Democrats and republicans both suck inmeasurabl;e ass. You might mean Liberals/conservatives, bot major paerties consist mostly of carrerist assholes and greedy pigs.

3. Hillary Clinton is satan.

I don't know about you, but I hope we don't have to live in the same village.


:) And on that note, I am gone!

If I may quote from winston Churchill



Kinda like Capitalism


right, nothing is perfect

I didn't know Mr. Churchill was a member. But that doesn't prove anything. Even the strongest supporter of democracy admits that it is not perfect, but only the best thing we have thought of so far. The questions still stnads. If you truley believe in Churchill's quote, then we agree, its the best form of government.

god...you are wrong on so many levels.
1. Bush is not a necocon corporate Plant, Cheny is, Bush is just his puppet. ( I mean, I dont wanna be mean, but they had to surgically remove Cheney's rolex from his Colon)

2. Democrats and republicans both suck inmeasurabl;e ass. You might mean Liberals/conservatives, bot major paerties consist mostly of carrerist assholes and greedy pigs.

3. Hillary Clinton is satan.


OK, you got me. But why the hatred for Hilary!

Shit, I really gotta go now.

Give it up, the economy was heading down the tubes well before Bush took the oath. Kinda like that September 11th thing everyone wants to blame Bush for. Unfortunately, it had been planned since 1998-'99, during CLINTON's years. The economic recession is similar, with the warning signs coming towards the later end of the Clinton admin. The economy isn't a push-button, it doesn't happen overnight, say over the night of January 20th, 2001. It kinda take some time.

Yes, it had been planned in Clinton's years, and they knew not to do it because when they tried that shit when he first got into office he bagged their asses.

And no, the economy doesn't turn around over night. It took Clinton 6 years to turn around the mess that he got from Bush Sr. and Reagan. As soon as he did that the people calmed down enough to stop trying to fix their problems and they let the Neo-con's into office. But Bush got to work quickly turning that economy around. He signed in estate tax cuts that cost us 256 billion dollars (and only help millionaires) and waged the Iraq war for another 200+ billion. Didn't Clinton leave a 5 billion surplus or something like that? Bush sure got his work done quickly.

Clinton will only be remembered as the last democratic president elected for many years. Bush will be remembered for finally doing something about the situation with those people over there.

You're right, because Clinton, unfortunately, will be the only freely elected President for many years to come, just as you said. And Bush will indeed be remembered for his blunders.

You should probably learn to either capitalize Democratic if you want to show the proper meaning, or actually say Democrat. No one says Republicanic.....the capitals are there in the words because they show they are names, not processes or ideals.

Far right = Conservative assholes that hate everyone and everything except their money

Far left = Hippies and people that hate the government. Also feel like they've been injusticed by conservative media, so they shove their ideas down others throats.

god...you are wrong on so many levels.
1. Bush is not a necocon corporate Plant, Cheny is, Bush is just his puppet. ( I mean, I dont wanna be mean, but they had to surgically remove Cheney's rolex from his Colon)

Maybe he meant plant as opposed to animal or mineral?

Give it up, the economy was heading down the tubes well before Bush took the oath. Kinda like that September 11th thing everyone wants to blame Bush for. Unfortunately, it had been planned since 1998-'99, during CLINTON's years. The economic recession is similar, with the warning signs coming towards the later end of the Clinton admin. The economy isn't a push-button, it doesn't happen overnight, say over the night of January 20th, 2001. It kinda take some time.
I love this dance-the boom was George I's fault, the bust was Clinton's fault, the bust in George I's term was-what? I guess Carter's fault, the fact that George II has at best managed to mediate the bleeding is-I don't know-Micheal Moore's fault cause the president doesn't have any control over the economy-unless it gets good again, then it'll be George II's fault again. Priceless.

You're right, because Clinton, unfortunately, will be the only freely elected President for many years to come, just as you said. And Bush will indeed be remembered for his blunders.

You should probably learn to either capitalize Democratic if you want to show the proper meaning, or actually say Democrat. No one says Republicanic.....the capitals are there in the words because they show they are names, not processes or ideals.

I don't believe the democraps deserve capitalization.

Finally doing something? You people all say you want to free the middle east but you hate all the people there. You call them sand niggers and wont let them date your daugters, and yet YOU want THEM to be FREE?

I dont want to free them.





I want to kill them

You're right, because Clinton, unfortunately, will be the only freely elected President for many years to come, just as you said. And Bush will indeed be remembered for his blunders.

You should probably learn to either capitalize Democratic if you want to show the proper meaning, or actually say Democrat. No one says Republicanic.....the capitals are there in the words because they show they are names, not processes or ideals.

and people that dont give a fuck what they mean dont.

Yes, it had been planned in Clinton's years, and they knew not to do it because when they tried that shit when he first got into office he bagged their asses.


You really didn't just say that??!! C;mon, you're smarter, more informed than that. You are referring to what action Clinton took exactly?

Somalia? USS Cole? 1993 WTC bombings? Khobar towers? TWO US Embassies? Aren't we forgetting about those? Who's asses did Clinton bag? I must have missed that one. What retaliation did Clinton take? EVER? Maybe you dreamed that Clinton had nabbed Osama in 1996 when he was about to be hand delievered to us, but Clinton idiotically said no. Are you talking about the million dollar cruise missiles used to take out a few camels, some tents, and an asprin factory?

I want answers.

I dont want to free them.





I want to kill them

I kinda am a little on your side, but... generally there is a motive.
And I swear, if you say anything along the lines of "a new crusade", you will shatter any respect that that side has or has not gained.

I don't believe the democraps deserve capitalization.

No, no no. You don't get it at all..

Democrat is referring to the political party
democrat is a person that believe in democracy
Its the same with Republican and republican.

I dont want to free them.





I want to kill them

Maybe not kill them, but at least teach them the wonders of personal grooming. While we are at it, we could teach Europe about the joys of deoderant.

Well, considering everyone hates everyone the only way to make everyone happy is for all make friends or to kill everyone. I'm afraid the second one is a lot closer than the first.

I dont want to free them.





I want to kill them


Wow. I'm in awe of your extreme intellect.

No, no no. You don't get it at all..

Democrat is referring to the political party
democrat is a person that believe in democracy
Its the same with Republican and republican.

Actually I do get it. Maybe you can too! :)

I don't like or trust the party, and the people in that party. So no capitalization. Also the same thing with christians, muslims, and other various ethnic types!

Wow. I'm in awe of your extreme intellect.


Its a shame that some people think that its that simple, isnt it? Not everything is black and white. Look at the big picture. Just because we're out to get Bin Laden doesn't mean we're out to subjugate and kill the entire arab world... although its beginning to seem like that...

I don't believe the democraps deserve capitalization.
Oh man, that's priceless-did you see what he did there? He took the word, Democrat, but instead of 'crat' he put 'crap'! Whooooooo-I mean, did you see? Cause now, it's all like, Democrap-like they're Democrats, but they're actually Demo-craps-like crap! Oh man! That-that there is some clever word play. Whoo, man. One can only wonder what kind of steel trap mind could come up something so clever. Why, that invalidates a whole half of the American political spectrum-pack it up, they're done, someone swaped out 'crat' with 'crap'.

Oh man, that kind of insight, it just gets ya right here, you know? No, not the chest, lower. Yeah, stomach. Thats it. Kinda like when I have to throw up...

(goes for any variation on either side.)

Dude, just wait...we're just getting started in Iraq. We lost almost no one in the first 3 years we were in Vietnam.

True, but to be fair, the first three years we were in Vietnam, the only people we had on the ground were special ops.

True, but to be fair, the first three years we were in Vietnam, the only people we had on the ground were special ops.


And yet instead of doing something smart like funding insurgents in Iraq, or even sending special ops teams, we BOMBED THE HELL OUT OF THEM!

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And yet instead of doing something smart like funding insurgents in Iraq, or even sending special ops teams, we BOMBED THE HELL OUT OF THEM!

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Yes, no contest here. Iraq war has been handled horribly.

I should actually make a comment instead of feed trolls.

Both Presidents will likely be remembered for various reasons. We will likely look at Clinton for the impeachment, but it may be a mark of the time that the legislature was used for partisan politics setting a poor precedent for the future.

Bush was President when we where attacked, and that attack is going to be etched in the history, as is-for good or bad-our reaction. That is a big event and is likely to out do the politics of what happened to the president before him.

Thing is, there might very well be good to come out of Bush's presidency, there might be results that come from what he's doing that will be precieved as good. But will the ends justify the means? Will the good hold up in the long term? Keep in mind that what we are doing now, the 'bad' that we have to deal with is largely a divedend of the 'good' we did in the 80s. It seemed like a good thing then, we lionized Reagan for it-but in the long run it is just another problem in different clothes. For everything that happened in the cold war, the Russians never managed to actually attack the US.

I don't have a crystal ball, I only have the patterns of what has happened before, which seems clearly to indicate that the means matters at least as much as the ends.

you fucking idiot, shut the fuck up and stop listening to right wing talk radio
I am very offended by this. I'm the most liberal person I know, and asking someone to shut the fuck up and stop listening to (x) is a violation of free speech. Free speech has to include a right to listen freely as well. Admittedly, people should listen to all sides of an argument. I live in Alabama, the heart of the Confederacy, and hear so much bigotry that I have to listen to NPR to prevent myself from hating them so much.

Because people who lose elections are poor losers. The ideal of tolerance for these people is only a platform to campaign on, however when its done and over with, they can't respect the opinion of the majority. Yeah, so democracy is bad when you're on the losing end of an election, that way you can blame something else for your lose instead of your idiotic ideals and inferior philosophies.

Racism was supported by the majority of the people before the Civil rights movement, and still is, unfortunately, where I live.

Unfortunately, George Bush will be remembered. People remember war presidents. All Clinton did was screw his intern. Bush screwed his country.
/last line is not my original product.

Bush

For putting an incompetant person in the whitehouse in order to further his own gain at the expense of the people
For allowing a tax hike against his previous statements (noble)
For helping get Ronald Regan in
For political corruption
For oil
For being the dad of a man whose regime has destroyed the nation
For being beaten by Clinton and actually threatened by Perott
For not being Walter Mondale

Bush

For putting an incompetant person in the whitehouse in order to further his own gain at the expense of the people
For allowing a tax hike against his previous statements (noble)
For helping get Ronald Regan in
For political corruption
For oil
For being the dad of a man whose regime has destroyed the nation
For being beaten by Clinton and actually threatened by Perott
For not being Walter Mondale

I think we were talking about the current Bush, but w/e

negronian I agree with most of what you said,but being black doesent exempt you from being racist(not saying you are or you arent) a black person can just as easily be racist as a white/yellow/red/whatever person.

anyway i think american politics would be much improved if they had question periods like inmost of the constitutionall monarchies where politicians can be bitched at by other ploiticians and not be able to do anything about it. i remember seing footage of an americain president (reagan i think?) getting booed whil making a speech to the canadian house of commons the look on his face was priceless.

oh right why would it be improved well it would force those in power to get the opinions of people other then yes men or puppet masters and possibly take their head out their ass and calm down a litle.

p.s
sorry about any spelling mistakes english is my secound language

Bush = dumb ass, coke snorting, dry-well digging, election stealing, draft dodging, media buying, job losing, deficit building, corporate figurehead.

4 more years.

(Oh, thank god, we cannot!)

WHO CARES!

ALL HAIL ME!!!!! :sniper:

Bush = dumb ass, coke snorting, dry-well digging, election stealing, draft dodging, media buying, job losing, deficit building, corporate figurehead.

4 more years.

(Oh, thank god, we cannot!)

This all from someone named Hemp manufactures? LOL he is obvious smarter than you. He's got more money, fame, fortune etc etc

He's got more money, fame, fortune etc etc
So does Anna Nicole Smith. You're not suggesting we put her in charge, are you?

So does Anna Nicole Smith. You're not suggesting we put her in charge, are you?

Sure why not. I mean Democrats wanted to put Kerry in charge. Whats the difference?!

Clinton will only be remembered as the last democratic president elected for many years. Bush will be remembered for finally doing something about the situation with those people over there.

I second the "What the ***?" response.

Rather the contrary: Bush will be remembered as the last republican elected for at least half a century. In getting this dumbnut elected, they have overplayed their hand. In another three and a half years, see who votes republican.

I second the "What the ***?" response.

Rather the contrary: Bush will be remembered as the last republican elected for at least half a century. In getting this dumbnut elected, they have overplayed their hand. In another three and a half years, see who votes republican.
Thats what everyone said before the 2004 election. The Liberal Democrats are still in denial.

(I'll bet you're trolling, but still...)
I dont want to free them.

I want to kill them
Name one problem in history that has ever been permenantly solved by that kind of action. It's tough to do, and do you know why? Because violence breeds violence. Hate breeds hate. Revenge leads to more revenge. No permenant solution.
-You're nothing but another chump, looking for easy answers, blaming all his problems on the ambiguous THEM. The simpleminded tend to do that. It's easier on their poor little overtaxed brains than actually, you know, thinking things through.

Thats what everyone said before the 2004 election. The Liberal Democrats are still in denial.

Keep gloating. Richard Nixon was re-elected too.

Thats what everyone said before the 2004 election. The Liberal Democrats are still in denial.
As a left leaning dude, I must admit that the Democrats are in denial. They're in denial that a campaign based on terrorism fear and superficial claims of morality could beat a more moderate approach. Well, guess what? It did. It bites, sure, but people are busy and don't really have time to figure out all the issues. The Democrats need to keep that in mind.
Here are a few things I hope to see in the next election from the 'Crats:
1. More anger
2. Simpler, more effective campaigning
3. An outreach effort to recruit religious moderates who currently feel unwanted("The Democratic Party: We're Not Heathens!")

That's all it'll take. Even just getting #3 rolling would do it, seeing as record religious right turnouts won the last election for Bush. :headbang: So don't get too cocky, pal- pretty soon those crazy Liberals will be knocking on the door again. :)

As a left leaning dude, I must admit that the Democrats are in denial. They're in denial that a campaign based on terrorism fear and superficial claims of morality could beat a more moderate approach. Well, guess what? It did. It bites, sure, but people are busy and don't really have time to figure out all the issues. The Democrats need to keep that in mind.
Here are a few things I hope to see in the next election from the 'Crats:
1. More anger
2. Simpler, more effective campaigning
3. An outreach effort to recruit religious moderates who currently feel unwanted("The Democratic Party: We're Not Heathens!")

That's all it'll take. Even just getting #3 rolling would do it, seeing as record religious right turnouts won the last election for Bush. :headbang: So don't get too cocky, pal- pretty soon those crazy Liberals will be knocking on the door again. :)

1) Bush's policies have infused enough anger in the atmosphere to where Gamma Radiation would be a very bad thing.

2) The Republicans laugh, gloat and dismiss Howard Dean as a media soundbite. He'll show why he was a damn effective Governor.

3) Democrats get accused of bandwagonning off Republicans in the past and this is supposed to be different how? If anything, making a deal with The Devil will come back to haunt the Democrats even more than usual if they g o down this path. If anything I doubt the hardcore Fundies will turn towards a party the Republicans portrayed as amoral godless faggots.