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Erm...so this Policeman was giving a talk about the danger of guns, and he accidentally shoots himself in the leg with a Glock.

He carries on even after he accidentally shoots himself, and his assistant gets out a machine gun to hand to him.

Understandably, the audience shit themselves at this point.

It's not gory.

Looking....

Yes, the safety on any firearm is between your ears.

...and making sure the safety catch is on the gun.

...and making sure the safety catch is on the gun.

Glocks don't have one. There's a tiny lever right in the middle of the trigger, and that's it.

It relies on the operator having some idea of what end of the gun is the pointy end.

Its possible that he used a blank to scare them.

It just proves that guns are only as dangerous as the people who use them :p

Its possible that he used a blank to scare them.
No, it was a real round. He was just stupid.

Glocks don't have one. There's a tiny lever right in the middle of the trigger, and that's it.


Oh ok.


It relies on the operator having some idea of what end of the gun is the pointy end.

I expect that does help somewhat.

Shouldn't you be using blanks when demonstrating non-live shooting?
I think if he shot himself in the head, it'd just bounce around the empty cavity.

No, it was a real round. He was just stupid.

Out of curiousity, how do you know that? I couldn't make out any detail to id whether it was a real round or a blank.

Out of curiousity, how do you know that? I couldn't make out any detail to id whether it was a real round or a blank.

There's another forum where we discussed this, and several of the people on that forum know the agent who shot himself.

I sure feel safe knowing guys like this are out on the street to protect me from idiots with guns.

I've read the news report on it so i'm pretty sure it's true.

What i don't understand is that he said it was an unloaded gun...
Did he load it after he'd said that?

I've read the news report on it so i'm pretty sure it's true.

What i don't understand is that he said it was an unloaded gun...
Did he load it after he'd said that?

In the full video, he pulls back the slide and locks the slide back - but does not drop the magazine. Therefore, when he lets the slide go forward, the slide picks up a fresh round and puts it in the chamber.

The gun is now loaded and ready to go.

Being a Glock, it has a safety in the center of the trigger - and he puts his finger in the trigger and pulls it. Being a Glock, it goes off - because in one stupid motion he deactivates the safety and the trigger goes.

He's lucky that he was pointing at his thigh, and not at some kid.

So many of the basic rules of gun handling were broken in a few seconds that I can scarcely comment.

Yes, the safety on any firearm is between your ears.

You mean your eyes right? To look down the barrel to check if you've still got a bullet in it?

You mean your eyes right? To look down the barrel to check if you've still got a bullet in it?

No, the safety on any device is your brain.

If you don't use your brain, it doesn't matter how the device is designed - you're going to hurt yourself.
Safety is an issue that should concern all firearms owners. Unfortunately there is a lot of hype about safety that totally ignores the real issues in the name of political correctness--that is, blaming something other than one's self when a screw-up occurs.


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Before we start our discussion we need to get our terminology straight.

Accident - An unexpected and undesirable event caused by circumstances beyond the control of the participant(s). There are practically no firearms related "accidents" since guns don't go off by themselves nor point themselves at anything.

Misfire - The condition of a cartridge not firing when an attempt to fire it is made. It can be caused by either a defective cartridge or a defective firearm. The term has been frequently misused in the media to indicate a firearms "accident" as in, "His gun misfired and he shot himself."

Negligent Discharge - The unplanned discharge of a firearm caused by a failure to observe the basic safety rules. Firearms related injuries or property damage are due to negligent discharges, not accidents. This is the proper term to use.

Safety - A state of mind or action intended to reduce the risk of personal harm. It also refers to a mechanical device on a firearm intended to lock the firing mechanism to impede discharge.


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The Rules of Firearms Safety.

Many shooting organizations promulgate incredibly long lists of safety rules. (I have seen posted lists of up to 20 rules!) They no doubt do this for political correctness, and to avoid litigation based on "You didn't tell me....," or to simply make them look impressive. However, one can insure safety with just four simple rules. (NRA please take note.)

Always remember, safety is a state of mind and not a device!

These four rules, if followed explicitly, will guarantee firearms safety. Memorize them and heed them. Always!

All firearms are loaded. - There are no exceptions. Don't pretend that this is true. Know that it is and handle all firearms accordingly. Do not believe it when someone says: "It isn't loaded."

Never let the muzzle of a firearm point at anything you are not willing to destroy. - If you are not willing to see a bullet hole in it do not allow a firearm's muzzle to point at it. This includes things like your foot, the TV, the refrigerator, the dog, or anything else that would cause general upset if a hole appeared in it.

Keep your finger off the trigger unless your sights are on the target. - Danger abounds if you keep your finger on the trigger when you are not about to shoot. Speed is not gained by prematurely placing your finger on the trigger as bringing a firearm to bear on a target takes more time than it takes to move your finger to the trigger. Negligent discharges would be eliminated if this rule were followed 100% of the time.

Be sure of your target and what is behind it. - Never shoot at sounds or a target you cannot positively identify. Know what is in line with the target and what is behind it (bullets are designed to go through things). Be aware of your surroundings whether on a range, in the woods, or in a potentially lethal conflict.

The fifth, unwritten, but implied rule is: Take nothing for granted. Check everything by sight and touch.

Tragedies could be avoided if everyone involved with firearms followed these rules all the time.

You will notice that the agent violated all of the rules.

You mean your eyes right? To look down the barrel to check if you've still got a bullet in it?
Reminds me of when someone told me that the biggest danger in a car is 'the nut behind the steering wheel'.
So, heeding his advice, I carefully removed said offending nut. Next time I was on the motorway, the bloody wheel came off! I nearly had a huge accident.
Just goes to show you that you shouldn't believe everything you're told.



Back to the vid - I love how the cop said that he was the only one trained and professional enough there to carry a gun, only moments before shooting himself. Classic. Couldn't have asked for a better build-up.

...and making sure the safety catch is on the gun.
Never trust a mechanical device. Especially on a loaded firearm. Now software, that's different:).

No, the safety on any device is your brain.
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You will notice that the agent violated all of the rules.
You know, the NRA used to teach firearm safety in schools before there was this stupid zero-intelligence policy in most of them.

Back to the vid - I love how the cop said that he was the only one trained and professional enough there to carry a gun, only moments before shooting himself. Classic. Couldn't have asked for a better build-up.

Considering that the average policeman fires around 100 rounds per year in practice, I'm not surprised. A DEA agent (the man in this case) fires a bit more.

The typical CCW permit holder gets a lot more practice. It's specious to say that just because you're a policeman or agent that you're the only one trained and professional enough to carry a gun.

I have outshot every policeman who has ever come to the range with me. Rifle, pistol, or shotgun. Faster, more hits on target in less time, faster reload, you name it.

You know, the NRA used to teach firearm safety in schools before there was this stupid zero-intelligence policy in most of them.
The NRA does teach in some schools. Know what it teaches?

If you think it's a gun...
And you see it there....

DON'T TOUCH IT.
GET AN ADULT.

That's a pretty good rule to teach people who don't know anything about guns. Other than to go to class and learn about them.

Back to the vid - I love how the cop said that he was the only one trained and professional enough there to carry a gun, only moments before shooting himself. Classic. Couldn't have asked for a better build-up.

Yep that's right, because qualifying twice a year on one type of firearm gives you a Jedi-like mastery over firearms that a civilian could never hope to obtain. :)

Yep that's right, because qualifying twice a year on one type of firearm gives you a Jedi-like mastery over firearms that a civilian could never hope to obtain. :)

You should have seen the looks on the faces of some of the policemen I go shooting with. I get asked all the time, "are you law enforcement?" and I say, "Nope. Never have been."

The NRA does teach in some schools. Know what it teaches?

If you think it's a gun...
And you see it there....

DON'T TOUCH IT.
GET AN ADULT.

That's a pretty good rule to teach people who don't know anything about guns. Other than to go to class and learn about them.

The whole thing is:
STOP
DON'T TOUCH
LEAVE THE AREA
TELL AN ADULT

My kids love that video w/ Eddie Eagle and Jason Priestly.

It looks sort of like the discharge was intentional, especialy considering the posturing leading up to it. The posturing sounded like the complete BS that it was but it does help make the point.
The fact that he stated that the gun was unloaded when there was a magazine in the chamber helps reinforce an important fact, most children who are killed while playing with guns believe that it is safe because the gun appears to be unloaded.
The demonstration pushes home the fact that you should never assume a gun to be unloaded and that even the best trained people can make tragic mistakes if they are careless.
All in all, I'd say that it is much better than the 'do as I say not as I do' lectures that are all too common. If you see a gun don't touch it and tell an adult seems like great advice, untill you start wondering why adults should have all the fun. Kids can have fun with guns too, after all, so long as proper safety rules are observed. The problem is that children can see the hypocricy of the don't touch policy and try to have fun with guns anyway. Like children tend to do they take their own immortality and infalibility for granted. It is the attitude of infalibility that leads to accidents.
This demonstration, although not as good as an actual shooting class, at least helps squelch that attitude.

It looks sort of like the discharge was intentional, especialy considering the posturing leading up to it. The posturing sounded like the complete BS that it was but it does help make the point.
The fact that he stated that the gun was unloaded when there was a magazine in the chamber helps reinforce an important fact, most children who are killed while playing with guns believe that it is safe because the gun appears to be unloaded.
The demonstration pushes home the fact that you should never assume a gun to be unloaded and that even the best trained people can make tragic mistakes if they are careless.
All in all, I'd say that it is much better than the 'do as I say not as I do' lectures that are all too common. If you see a gun don't touch it and tell an adult seems like great advice, untill you start wondering why adults should have all the fun. Kids can have fun with guns too, after all, so long as proper safety rules are observed. The problem is that children can see the hypocricy of the don't touch policy and try to have fun with guns anyway. Like children tend to do they take their own immortality and infalibility for granted. It is the attitude of infalibility that leads to accidents.
This demonstration, although not as good as an actual shooting class, at least helps squelch that attitude.


The number of true "accidental" shootings, especially of children, is much lower than you might realize. Your children are at more risk of being drowned in a bucket, and we don't have any debates about whether a bucket should be in your house.

Am I the only one who thinks that the guys got a set of nuts on him?
I mean, damn, it's bang, grimice, "Hey,you kids alright?"
Then the dude goes on! If he was really shot, I'm amazed. His enemies shouldn't be drug dealers, they should be a evil super villian with a giant robot or something.

I'm surprised no one's flipped out over the "lack" of external safety on the Glocks. I really wanted to point out revolvers.

Dammit. :D

I sure feel safe knowing guys like this are out on the street to protect me from idiots with guns.
exactly, they shoot thems selfs, and the other idiots with guns laugh thems self to death :)

I'm surprised no one's flipped out over the "lack" of external safety on the Glocks. I really wanted to point out revolvers.

Dammit. :D

Most non-firearms people don't know that about the Glock.

Most non-firearms people don't know that about the Glock.

True. But you just blabbed it to the whole world earlier in the post. Oh wait...the whole world isn't here...

Nevermind.

Gotta love those Glocks, though. I have five. :cool:

True. But you just blabbed it to the whole world earlier in the post. Oh wait...the whole world isn't here...

Nevermind.

Gotta love those Glocks, though. I have five. :cool:


It took them years to finally discover that the assault weapons ban didn't ban the actual weapons. There are some on this forum who still believe that I couldn't buy an AR-15 during that time period.

Just take the bayonet lug off, change the flash hider from screw-on to pinned on, get rid of the folding stock, and call it an "M-4", and there you go - perfectly legal, complete with high-cap magazines.

Just wait - one will insist that the AR-15 was banned :rolleyes:

The number of true "accidental" shootings, especially of children, is much lower than you might realize. Your children are at more risk of being drowned in a bucket, and we don't have any debates about whether a bucket should be in your house.

No, I'm fully aware of that fact and I beleive that children should be taught bucket safety as well. I just try to avoid that guns don't kill many children argument in a debate because from an emotional standpoint one dead child is too many no matter what the cause.
For the record, my idea of correct gun control is 'use both hands'. My solution to end school violence is to increase funding, reduce class size, and provide every child with a quality personal handgun as well as quality personal textbooks.
Idealy, children should learn to respect firearms by using them in a safe and productive manner.

Keep your finger off the trigger unless your sights are on the target. - Danger abounds if you keep your finger on the trigger when you are not about to shoot. Speed is not gained by prematurely placing your finger on the trigger as bringing a firearm to bear on a target takes more time than it takes to move your finger to the trigger. Negligent discharges would be eliminated if this rule were followed 100% of the time. This is such an important rule and if movies are real, it's never followed. Just once I would like to see the good guy in a movie carry a gun with his finger off the trigger.

There's another forum where we discussed this, and several of the people on that forum know the agent who shot himself.
And at this ponit I argue I know Santa Claus

Just wait - one will insist that the AR-15 was banned :rolleyes:

I know it was locally banned. My wife would have killed me if I had spent the money to buy one. :)

:sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper:


BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG. Thats what he did, yes! :eek: I have a bellybutton.

I know it was locally banned. My wife would have killed me if I had spent the money to buy one. :)

That's the kind of gun control that we practice. I can't buy a new Kimber because SWMBO won't let me spend the money.

On the other hand, we have a new kitchen counter...Money well spent!

In the full video, he pulls back the slide and locks the slide back - but does not drop the magazine. Therefore, when he lets the slide go forward, the slide picks up a fresh round and puts it in the chamber.

The gun is now loaded and ready to go.

Being a Glock, it has a safety in the center of the trigger - and he puts his finger in the trigger and pulls it. Being a Glock, it goes off - because in one stupid motion he deactivates the safety and the trigger goes.

He's lucky that he was pointing at his thigh, and not at some kid.

So many of the basic rules of gun handling were broken in a few seconds that I can scarcely comment.

The scary/funny thing is, is that when he continues on after being shot, his assistant gets out a machine gun to hand to him. You can hear someone in the audience shouting "PUT IT DOWN! PUT IT DOWN! WE DON'T NEED IT!!!"

Glock's trigger is pretty easy to push accidentally if I remember correctly, there have been a few accidental shootings by police with that gun, simply because it requires very little force to discharge the bullet.

Aside from that, if counterstrike is anything to go by, it takes at least a few bullets to seriously hurt anyone with a glock. :P

Glocks don't have one. There's a tiny lever right in the middle of the trigger, and that's it.

It relies on the operator having some idea of what end of the gun is the pointy end.

That and one of the principles rules of gun safety(NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you are prepared to fire).

Of course the brainiac should probably have paid attention to the first rule(assume all guns are loaded until you inspect them yourself), given that gun safety demonstrations are better done with an unloaded gun.

And at this ponit I argue I know Santa Claus

As we all know, you're the only one on the forum who knows anything. The rest of us exist in a state of vegetative subconsciousness.

None of us are involved in law enforcement, none of us bought assault weapons, and none of us are familiar with the loopholes in the law. None of us know anyone.

I'm surprised no one's flipped out over the "lack" of external safety on the Glocks. I really wanted to point out revolvers.

Dammit. :D

Glocks have trigger safeties, which perform exactly as a safety should(preventing accidental discharges). E,g,, if the gun is dropped the trigger safety will prevent the discharge. A safety shouldnt be there to stop a discharge if someone squeezes trigger, because you should never squeeze(touch) the trigger until the weapon is pointed at something you want to shoot at.

Glock's trigger is pretty easy to push accidentally if I remember correctly, there have been a few accidental shootings by police with that gun, simply because it requires very little force to discharge the bullet.

Aside from that, if counterstrike is anything to go by, it takes at least a few bullets to seriously hurt anyone with a glock. :P

Untrue, the trigger pull weight of glocks(while less than most revolvers) is certainly more than other service pistols(in single action). Thats part of what makes it so much fun to fire, though I will admit I am far less accurate with it than my single action guns. Of course I have the subcompact in 9mm. Next time I will go for the 17, but one glock is enough for me.

Glock's trigger is pretty easy to push accidentally if I remember correctly, there have been a few accidental shootings by police with that gun, simply because it requires very little force to discharge the bullet.


It still requires 5.5 pounds to pull it back. All those negligent (not accidental) discharges occured because the "trained" officer had their fingers on the triggers, when they were handling the weapon. Including when the negligent discharge happened to go into the officer when re-holstering.

Bad training and practice.

Glocks have trigger safeties, which perform exactly as a safety should(preventing accidental discharges). E,g,, if the gun is dropped the trigger safety will prevent the discharge. A safety shouldnt be there to stop a discharge if someone squeezes trigger, because you should never squeeze(touch) the trigger until the weapon is pointed at something you want to shoot at.

Watch out, Isanyonehome. I_Hate_Cows will now say that there's no way that you, or I, or anyone else has ever seen or used or owned a Glock, or know how they work. After all, he probably believes the DEA agent in the video who said that he was the only one trained and professional enough to use one.

ROFLMAO! Trained and professional enough to shoot himself!

Glocks have trigger safeties, which perform exactly as a safety should(preventing accidental discharges). E,g,, if the gun is dropped the trigger safety will prevent the discharge. A safety shouldnt be there to stop a discharge if someone squeezes trigger, because you should never squeeze(touch) the trigger until the weapon is pointed at something you want to shoot at.

I agree totally. This is why I love the five Glocks I have--the simplicity.

My bad for not being clearer.

Technically, there are three safeties in the Glock to stop the firing pin from being released and striking the primer. I was just pointing out there wasn't an external safety that stopped the trigger from moving due to pressure from a finger--just like on a revolver.

Some people wig out at the lack of external safety that stops the trigger from moving at all.

Watch out, Isanyonehome. I_Hate_Cows will now say that there's no way that you, or I, or anyone else has ever seen or used or owned a Glock, or know how they work. After all, he probably believes the DEA agent in the video who said that he was the only one trained and professional enough to use one.

ROFLMAO! Trained and professional enough to shoot himself!

LOL, I would then be forced to show him some pics of my guns. I suppose he would then say that I just downloaded the pictures off of the net or something.

In the case of my calico autopistol(well, not really auto unless its really dirty) he would be right. But thats only because the thing wasnt legal outside of Florida(and some others)(before AWB expiry) so I had to leave it. I think I had more fun loading the magazine(only the 50 round one) than actually firing it.

Some people wig out at the lack of external safety that stops the trigger from moving at all.

It's a philosophical thing. Usually, the person who believes that no one knows what's good for them will wig out. As for me, I believe that most people know what they're doing (otherwise, a majority of firearms owners would shoot themselves).

BTW, on the subject of keeping your trigger finger off the trigger, it's still nice to know that the Marines have good habits - even when they have been shot up.


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-3/120077/831924510-BradKasal.jpg

Marine 1st Sergeant Brad Kasal (in the middle). This photo is from the most recent major offensive in Fallujah. Sgt. Kasal sacrificed his own safety to save a room full of fellow Marines. He ended up taking several AK rounds in the leg. Most of his lower leg was blown away but you can't tell it from this pic. He took rounds in the back which his armor saved him from. He took one round through his butt which passed through both cheeks leaving 4 holes in him. And he also took the brunt of a grenade blast. He jumped on top of a younger Marine to cover him from the fire. He killed the terrorist who did most of the damage to him and his men, and despite a massive loss of blood he never stopped fighting. Notice that he's still holding his pistol. He has been put in for the Medal of Honor for his actions on that day. He already has several Purple Hearts for previous battles throughout his career and he has turned some down so that he could stay with his unit. While in the hospital he has met President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and several other celebrities. He said that Bush came in by himself and had a very long, sincere, and friendly visit with him.

http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-619.htm

Erm...so this Policeman was giving a talk about the danger of guns, and he accidentally shoots himself in the leg with a Glock.

He carries on even after he accidentally shoots himself, and his assistant gets out a machine gun to hand to him.

Understandably, the audience shit themselves at this point.

It's not gory.

OK! Back to the original thread, NAHH! I'm more interested on the "How not to make the videos thing."

The ones I like are the ones where the local TV station thinks it's doing the public a service by showing you what are legal and illegal fireworks. The one here decided it would be a good thing to show what an M80 (totally illegal) would do to a rather large watermelon. They said it would simulate a person's head or some such thing.

So they let it off and we all sat there in wide eyed wonder and went:

AWESOME!!! We wanted to go do that (It was awesome)...

...but I think my point is, that sometimes regardless of the topic of discussion in the video, the point being made is lost because of what took place in the video, like shooting one's self or blowing up watermelons.

Watch out, Isanyonehome. I_Hate_Cows will now say that there's no way that you, or I, or anyone else has ever seen or used or owned a Glock, or know how they work. After all, he probably believes the DEA agent in the video who said that he was the only one trained and professional enough to use one.

ROFLMAO! Trained and professional enough to shoot himself!
Where this asinine flamebaiting is coming from I don't know

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Where this asinine flamebaiting is coming from I don't know

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You're the one who, when you don't want to believe what someone is saying, will say that we're not in a position to know.

BTW, fixed your image tags.

You're the one who, when you don't want to believe what someone is saying, will say that we're not in a position to know.

BTW, fixed your image tags.
I didn't use image tags.

And again, where is this asinine statement coming from

I didn't use image tags.

And again, where is this asinine statement coming from
Because in every thread you post in you're an ass?

I didn't use image tags.

And again, where is this asinine statement coming from

You said before there's no way I would know that the person in the video was a DEA Agent, or know people who knew who he was, or if the gun was really loaded (because you spouted off after my assertion that I *did* know these things) by saying that Santa Claus remark.

So, if I'm going to assert any knowledge of anything, I'm going to hear a ridiculous assertion.

BTW, your picture of a troll had url tags around it. That's what I changed to IMG, so we could all see it without clicking on it.

You said before there's no way I would know that the person in the video was a DEA Agent, or know people who knew who he was, or if the gun was really loaded (because you spouted off after my assertion that I *did* know these things) by saying that Santa Claus remark.

So, if I'm going to assert any knowledge of anything, I'm going to hear a ridiculous assertion.

BTW, your picture of a troll had url tags around it. That's what I changed to IMG, so we could all see it without clicking on it.
I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of replying WL, every thread with one of his posts in it is an attempt to start a fight with the quoted poster.