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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/international/middleeast/15cnd-italy.html
It won't begin until September, and it will be gradual. However, it is a withdrawl. Thoughts?

Personally, I feel it is fair. Berlusconi is obviously a political animal, and needs to survive. He realizes that the best way to do this is to try and give everyone a liittle something that he wants. I feel that the US will have plenty of warning, and should also find this fair.

I think Berlusconni is doing what he thinks is best for his political survival. And anyways, we'll hopefully be able to replace the 3000 Italians with trained and equipped Iraqis by then.

I think Berlusconni is doing what he thinks is best for his political survival. And anyways, we'll hopefully be able to replace the 3000 Italians with trained and equipped Iraqis by then.
There is six month's notice, so I think it should be easy. The Italians themselves probably won't mind training some as a trade-off.

I think Berlusconni is doing what he thinks is best for his political survival. And anyways, we'll hopefully be able to replace the 3000 Italians with trained and equipped Iraqis by then.This move will probably make him stay in office for possibly 5 more weeks.

and im sure they arent too pleased about the released hostage that got shot...

Come on now, don't the Iraqi insurgents know the best way to ambush an Italian is with food and wine? :D

Ukraine's already starting to pull out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/international/middleeast/15cnd-italy.html
It won't begin until September, and it will be gradual. However, it is a withdrawl. Thoughts?

Personally, I feel it is fair. Berlusconi is obviously a political animal, and needs to survive. He realizes that the best way to do this is to try and give everyone a liittle something that he wants. I feel that the US will have plenty of warning, and should also find this fair.

THIS U.S. citizen would like to Thank the Italian people for their Assistance in these very difficult Times as well as recognize their Right to end their participation whenever they see fit.

Thank you again for the sacrifice, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Gaar

Ukraine's already starting to pull out.
However, that was predictable. It was a campaign pledge of Viktor Yushchenko.

However, that was predictable. It was a campaign pledge of Viktor Yushchenko.

We're probably going to see most of the less prominent membes of the coalition withdrawing as the Iraqis start to take over more and more of the security of the country.

This move will probably make him stay in office for possibly 5 more weeks.
As far as I know, however, Berlusconi will stay in office because there is no viable opposition. It's hard to become a politician in Italy without being a little corrupt, and Berlusconi is no exception. While I wish it weren't true, it's been the Italian way of doing things ever since WWII ended. The strangest thing is that the Italians don't seem to care.

Now now, you should be able to replace those 3000 Italians with 12 trained monkeys... after all, Italy is in Europe. Who wants those EUropeans there!?

Now now, you should be able to replace those 3000 Italians with 12 trained monkeys... after all, Italy is in Europe. Who wants those EUropeans there!?

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I want to do it absurdly. The Italian way. Don't worry.

Now now, you should be able to replace those 3000 Italians with 12 trained monkeys... after all, Italy is in Europe. Who wants those EUropeans there!?
O.o

THIS U.S. citizen would like to Thank the Italian people for their Assistance in these very difficult Times as well as recognize their Right to end their participation whenever they see fit.

Thank you again for the sacrifice, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Gaar
That was even headed and rational....no where to go with that.

Now now, you should be able to replace those 3000 Italians with 12 trained monkeys... after all, Italy is in Europe. Who wants those EUropeans there!?
Ah, there we go...that's the kind of crazy batshit world trashing thing I was expecting...

But, nope. I'll take the rational one. Though I oppose the war and the way it's handled that was even handed. For once I'll take the best response instead of the worst.

Well, the Italians will be missed, but it seems there will prolly be at least 4,000 more Iraqi troops on the ground by them(and that's at least).

However, it's kinda sad that our only remaining European Mainland ally, save Poland, is pulling out.

I hope the Terrorists don't bomb Warsaw or something O_o

Well, the Italians will be missed, but it seems there will prolly be at least 4,000 more Iraqi troops on the ground by them(and that's at least).

However, it's kinda sad that our only remaining European Mainland ally, save Poland, is pulling out.

I hope the Terrorists don't bomb Warsaw or something O_o
I thought that Poland pulled out shortly after they where 'forgotten.'

I guess Bush's euro-tour didn't work out so well....(though its probably too early to tell about that really.)

Ah, there we go...that's the kind of crazy batshit world trashing thing I was expecting...
I appreciate you took it as it was intended.

Well, it seems there's nothing left of 'the Mother of all Coalitions'. :)
The US are occupying Iraq all on their own now... Maybe that's what they wanted all along.

I appreciate you took it as it was intended.
I had to take what I could get (and conveniently ignore location notes...)

I'll just duck away now...

I had to take what I could get (and conveniently ignore location notes...)

I'll just duck away now...
Eh, no need. It was a pre-emptive strike. In 23 pages to follow, Spain and France will get what they 'deserve'. I just wanted to ridicule Italians as well.. for some reason...

I thought that Poland pulled out shortly after they where 'forgotten.'

I guess Bush's euro-tour didn't work out so well....(though its probably too early to tell about that really.)

I thought Poland committed to pulling their troops out before they were 'forgotten'.

I thought that Poland pulled out shortly after they where 'forgotten.'

I guess Bush's euro-tour didn't work out so well....(though its probably too early to tell about that really.)

No, the Poles are still there.

It's just the damn liberals make the Polish people feel sad! I mean, when I ask 95% of liberals why they hate/forgot Poland, the answer was "Because Bush likes it." I mean, come on! Why do you guys hate Poland just because Bush likes it. WHY!?!?!??!

No, the Poles are still there.

It's just the damn liberals make the Polish people feel sad! I mean, when I ask 95% of liberals why they hate/forgot Poland, the answer was "Because Bush likes it." I mean, come on! Why do you guys hate Poland just because Bush likes it. WHY!?!?!??!
Who said I hate Poland? Some killer free jazz comes from Poland.

I hope they pull out. We need as much no-support as we can get on teh war.

Who said I hate Poland? Some killer free jazz comes from Poland.

When I said "You guys" I wasn't referring to you. Just the majority of Liberals.

Not Polish Liberals, of course ^^.

No, the Poles are still there.

It's just the damn liberals make the Polish people feel sad! I mean, when I ask 95% of liberals why they hate/forgot Poland, the answer was "Because Bush likes it." I mean, come on! Why do you guys hate Poland just because Bush likes it. WHY!?!?!??!
I realize the value of my opinion is plummeting in this thread... but WE do love the poles. Cheer up.

How did this thread become about Poland? This is about Italy pulling her troops out. I am personally happy. I'd like to see as many foriegn troops out of Iraq as quickly as is reasonable.

How did this thread become about Poland? This is about Italy pulling her troops out. I am personally happy. I'd like to see as many foriegn troops out of Iraq as quickly as is reasonable.
It would take too many trained monkeys. The west isn't ready. It'll take time.

How did this thread become about Poland? This is about Italy pulling her troops out. I am personally happy. I'd like to see as many foriegn troops out of Iraq as quickly as is reasonable.

Why?

So that even more Americans can die?

*sniffle* I am ashamed that someone from my own state is saying that....

*breaks down in tears*

But, then again, Massachusetts is the most Liberal state...and Boston is the capital of the Democratic Party...

I hate that part of my state. Everything else is cool. Just not that.

No, the Poles are still there.
Even after we forgot about them?

LOL...da Poles have absolutely no Pride...nothing...nada.

Why?

So that even more Americans can die?

*sniffle* I am ashamed that...

*breaks down in tears*
Cry me a river :gundge:

Why?

So that even more Americans can die?

*sniffle* I am ashamed that someone from my own state is saying that....

*breaks down in tears*

But, then again, Massachusetts is the most Liberal state...and Boston is the capital of the Democratic Party...

I hate that part of my state. Everything else is cool. Just not that.

Yeah. You do know that American troops in Iraq are also foriegn troops, right? I would like to see them ALL back home.

Even after we forgot about them?

LOL...da Poles have absolutely no Pride...nothing...nada.

WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!

The Poles are one of the most Nationalistic nations ever. They(or I could say "we", seeing how I am of Polish ancestry) believe that they/we are the best nation in Central Europe. And at least out of the former Warsaw Pact.

When I said "You guys" I wasn't referring to you. Just the majority of Liberals.

Not Polish Liberals, of course ^^.
I don't know, man. I live in Santa Cruz (which makes Berkeley look like Texas as far as political leanings go) and cruise the boards and the only time I've ever seen anyone hate on Poland was just then when you suggested it. I've seen people make fun of the 'You forgot Poland' comment, but thats hating on Bush, not Poland, as it missed the point of what Kerry was saying...but thats another issue.

Yeah. You do know that American troops in Iraq are also foriegn troops, right? I would like to see them ALL back home.

Doncha mean "Foreign"?

And anyhoo, you want Iraq to descend into Chaos? Like it or not, boys and girls, we gotta finish the job. Remember Vietnam? We left there. You know what happened? Vietnam became this little shit-hole of a country that is only now beginning to recover. 30 years later.

The Poles are one of the... ...best nation in Central Europe. And at least out of the former Warsaw Pact.Now there's a tough competition :D

Now there's a tough competition :D
Germany is teh best in Europe.

Now there's a tough competition :D

;)

But that's not the point.

Unfortunatly, the Poles aren't as nationalistic as they used to be...

I wish I had some way to change that.

Doncha mean "Foreign"?

And anyhoo, you want Iraq to descend into Chaos? Like it or not, boys and girls, we gotta finish the job. Remember Vietnam? We left there. You know what happened? Vietnam became this little shit-hole of a country that is only now beginning to recover. 30 years later.

I said "as quickly as is reasonable". Did you read any of my post?

Germany is teh best in Europe.

Poland kicks Germany's ass.

In fact, the only reason why Germany conquered Poland was because the first time(when it was created) there was no Poland, so that doesn't count. The second time, the Poles were attacked from both sides(by the Soviets and the Nazis), and both times they were surprise attack. And yet in a war against the Soviets in the 1920's, we wiped the floor with 'em. And our army of a few hundred thousand held out for a month against the overwhelming German forces.

;)

But that's not the point.

Unfortunatly, the Poles aren't as nationalistic as they used to be...

I wish I had some way to change that.
Now, they are proud. I have visited Poland twice in 3 years now. They are proud of their history, proud of who they are. I'd take that pride over nationalism any day of the week.

I said "as quickly as is reasonable". Did you read any of my post?

Yes.

But you people have a distorted sense of "reasonable".

I really hope you don't have Ted Kennedy's sense of "reasonable" though. That guy is just...a bit wack in the head. So is Bush. And Kerry. And Nader. And...recites all U.S. leaders names but one.

The Only sane person in our government is John McCain. And he wasn't even born there. He was born here, in the Canal Zone(but he's still an American Citizen.)

they/we are the best nation in Central Europe.East Germany?
Czech Rep.?
Hungary?
Austria?

Now, they are proud. I have visited Poland twice in 3 years now. They are proud of their history, proud of who they are. I'd take that pride over nationalism every day of the week.

Yay the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!

Now Pride and Nationalism.

Think of what Poland could achieve!!!

First we need to get rid of Kaliningrad and return it to Poland. Damn Russians...

Yes.

But you people have a distorted sense of "reasonable".

I really hope you don't have Ted Kennedy's sense of "reasonable" though. That guy is just...a bit wack in the head. So is Bush. And Kerry. And Nader. And...recites all U.S. leaders names but one.

The Only sane person in our government is John McCain. And he wasn't even born there. He was born here, in the Canal Zone(but he's still an American Citizen.)

Okay, reasonable as in as soon as they can leave without Iraq collapsing into anarchy as soon as they're gone.

Okay, reasonable as in as soon as they can leave without Iraq collapsing into anarchy as soon as they're gone.

I guess we're leaving next year then O_o...

Yay the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!

Now Pride and Nationalism.

Think of what Poland could achieve!!!

First we need to get rid of Kaliningrad and return it to Poland. Damn Russians...

I've always thought that Poland-Lithuania was one of the coolest countries in history. I don't know why, but I've always been fascinated by it.

Poland kicks Germany's ass.
sweet dreams are made of these

Yay the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!

Now Pride and Nationalism.

Think of what Poland could achieve!!!

First we need to get rid of Kaliningrad and return it to Poland. Damn Russians...
(please, keep it down.. or the swedes make us finns run over poland again :) )

sweet dreams are made of these

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth kicks Imperial Germaies ass any day.

The Second Polish Republic ownz the Weimar Republic.

Communist Poland pwnz Communist East Germany.

Modern-day Poland beats modern-day Germany. Except for when it comes to Techno. But that doesn't matter!

(please, keep it down.. or the swedes make us finns run over poland again :) )

Hey, not funny!

The only reason you sill Scandanavians ruined us was because our allies were plotting our deaths the entire time...

If only the Russians had actually helped...

Oh, and it was a Pole that saved Western Civilization(Jan III Sobieski, at the Siege of Vienna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna).)

(please, keep it down.. or the swedes make us finns run over poland again :) )
LOLz

Ahh, this thread is finally absurd enough... my work here is done. Buh-bye.

LOLz

Heh. And let's count the times Germany has been conquered, shall we?

Let's see...

First there was the French...then the French, British, Americans, and Poles...and then the Soviets, the French, American, and Brits...


It's a pity that out of the three wars Germany(as a state, not a federation) has every fought, they only won 2. How many have the Poles won? A lot.

Ahh, this thread is finally absurd enough... my work here is done. Buh-bye.

Damn you!

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth kicks Imperial Germaies ass any day.

The Second Polish Republic ownz the Weimar Republic.

Communist Poland pwnz Communist East Germany.

Modern-day Poland beats modern-day Germany. Except for when it comes to Techno. But that doesn't matter!

They had the second modern written constitution, after the United States.



Poland-Lithuania, that is.

Heh. And let's count the times Germany has been conquered, shall we?

Let's see...

First there was the French...then the French, British, Americans, and Poles...and then the Soviets, the French, American, and Brits...


It's a pity that out of the three wars Germany(as a state, not a federation) has every fought, they only won 2. How many have the Poles won? A lot.Interesting...